The State of the AR-15 in Canada

Canada AR-15 Reclassification

In Canada, the AR-15 is on thin ice. More apocalyptic individuals might read the portents and see a ban on the horizon.

I’m going to do my best not to break the first sacred law of TFB in this article. With that in mind I’ll lean heavily on the technical rather than the political, but there is no doubt the state of the Northern AR is changing.

And if I, a deprived Canadian writer, am going to read the full text of silly ATF shoulder brace rulings and Hughes Amendment details, then I’ll share our comparative equivalent with you.

In Canada, there are two bodies that govern firearms, one officially and one unofficially. We have a series of laws laying out who may get a firearms license, what kind of firearms they can get, and a loose list of things that aren’t allowed. Bill C-17 and C-68 were the most recent legislated bans implemented in the mid-90s which prohibited a large range of black rifles and their “variants.”

But we also have the RCMP. The RCMP administers the Canadian Firearms Program, and as a result is often tasked with identifying firearms. They get to publish interpretations and opinions on the laws. Sometimes those opinions change.

In June the RCMP distributed a document to retailers and importers regarding 80% lowers. Before that, the RCMP appeared to agree with the ATF: any receiver below the 80% completion point was effectively not a firearm. Taken beyond that, it was a legal firearm and had to be serialized and registered.

This new opinion changes in two key ways:

Uncompleted AR-15 lowers are now prohibited as machine guns. The argument is that at a blank state, the machining skills involved to complete the lower easily allow the owner to create either an M16 lower or an AR-15 lower. There’s just no way to be sure some maniac machinist won’t break the law. So to hell with it! Ban em all!

But also 80% is no longer the threshold. The text refers to “receiver blanks” and calls by owners to the CFP have relayed clarifying statements like “when it serves no other purpose but to become a firearm, then it’s a firearm” or “as soon as it’s designated to become a firearm, then it’s a firearm.”

These statements are clearly not enough. If I start using my fully functional lower as a doorstop, no jury in the country is going to buy that it’s found a new purpose in life and is no longer a firearm. Conversely, if I take a sharpie marker to a block of aluminum and say “someday I’ll shape you into a beautiful shooty-shooty machine” I can’t imagine the black helicopters are about to descend and charge me for that.

But the line we had was gone.

Lets go back a step: earlier in April 2017, the RCMP published another opinion on AR lowers, again breaking from the ATF stance.

Like the ATF, we previously had a “3rd pin” system to determine whether a receiver was designed for semi auto or full auto use. Essentially, if you can drop in full auto parts, and the gun goes full auto, then the receiver is prohibited. If you modify a receiver to accept full auto parts: that’s you breaking the law and creating an unregistered machine gun.

Now though… ah hell I’ll give you the text in their own words:

“At least one lower receiver wall must be thickened in the interior cavity above and below the selector axis hole at least as wide as the standard AR-15 pattern selector axis hole (0.375 inches / 9.53 mm) and from the bottom of the cavity to the top, such that the distance between the left and right lower receiver walls is narrowed so that an M16 pattern full automatic sear cannot be installed without substantial removal of material from the receiver walls.”

The RCMP has determined that only the original SP-1 layout is a “true” AR-15, and that other receiver configurations with wider or alternate trigger pockets are M-16s in waiting which “risk falling into the prohibited firearm category as they can be easily converted to fire in a full automatic manner in a short period of time.”

This is one of my biggest frustrations with the Canadian system. I don’t particularly mind jumping through hoops to get things, but the idea that something can be legal one morning and illegal the next rankles me. It’s ridiculous to have this kind of constantly shifting environment, with changes quietly filtering out several times a year.

Canadian firearms organizations like the CCFR, CSSA, and NFA will all likely do their best with these, but the fact is that they’re technical enough encroachments by law enforcement that they’re unlikely to get substantial numbers of Canadian firearms owners whipped up and donating to the already divided lobbying landscape.



Edward O

Edward is a Canadian gun owner and target shooter with a Bachelor’s Degree in Journalism. Crawling over mountains with tactical gear is his idea of fun. He blogs at TV-Presspass and tweets @TV_PressPass.


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  • Alex Agius

    Give an inch and they’ll take it all eventually.

    • James

      I agree, but in Canada they don’t use Freedom Units. So I think the saying would be don’t give them 2.54 centimeters, or they’ll take 1609.34 meters.

      • mosinman

        they should, that way they wouldn’t be in this mess

    • Jason Culligan

      That’s exactly why the Czechs here in Europe are giving the EU the middle finger and rejecting the new gun laws. Hopefully more European countries follow suit so we don’t end up like Australia or Japan.

      • SP mclaughlin

        Tbh the Japanese had Katana control long before they had gun control.

        • noob

          End katana violence! sure everyone in okinawa is now learning how to kill people with rice farming tools and the best trained men can use their empty hands to kill a guy with one punch, but end katana violence! the mystical folded steel is the issue.

        • Anonymoose

          Actually they were both enacted at the same time about 400 years ago.

        • Sermon 7.62

          That’s because katana is a weapon of a Samurai, and there was a rebellion against the government.

      • free

        All those problems have same origin, George SOROS, Canada is SOROS property like EU, to make people slaves you need to dissarm them, we in EU, are practically disarmed, we are not allowed for self defense, but state cant protect we like 20 years ago. Im not speakin about the terrorism, only, im speaking about the rise of criminality even in the little town where few year ago was inmigineable, where first in our history our children, the women,cant be safe in any place, and we have many troubles specially with new criminals and we cant protect ourself.

        Today our police and states cant protect us, but the governamts reaction is only shut up any info in SOROS property MSM, the problem is that all of us can see and experience in the streets what is happening.

        EU is a tyranny and we are slave vassals, be careful Canada, now,you know what is exactly the proyect of SOROS for you.

        FREE NATIONS OF EU:
        -Czech Republic
        -Hungari
        -Poland

        SOROS PROPERTY NATIONS (nations for now)

        -Germany
        -France
        -Grece
        -Italy
        -Spain

        • mikewest007

          Horseshit! Orbanistan is a commie shithole ran by a thieving gyp on Putin’s payroll, the Czech president is an old bolshevik and Poland… Well, communism never ended in Poland, and everything’s run from the back seat by old commie-trained bolshevik Kaczynski and his bunch of lackeys, including that degenerate who destroyed our military intelligence and had the report with all secrets translated to Russian.

          • Bungameng

            Please do tell me the tale of old bolshevicks supporting the right to be armed and concealed carry, with their wives doing public stunts by getting concealed carry license and buying a revolver for that purpose and shooting assault rifles while visiting army barracks.

          • mikewest007

            Then how do you explain that the previous Polish government, “on Soros’ payroll” according to the katsap propaganda, relaxed gun laws, getting rid of several idiotic clauses? And the current government, instead of just allowing citizens to buy and keep firearms more easily, plans to create a militia that obeys only the degenerate they made the Minister of Defense, bypassing the entire military chain of command?

            Public stunts are cheap and meaningless. Particularly when they involve government bigwigs visiting military bases.

      • Likvid

        Except they don’t.

        New EU anti-gun directive is in process of integrating into Czech gun laws right now. They just want to get it to court, because directive is discriminating and there was no impact assessment before it was accepted. In this sense, it’s actually drawback, that directive was watered down so much, because in it’s original draconic form, it would be very likely just rejected despite the repercussions. But after all those compromises they manage to get, Czechs cannot just reject it now, because next time (that’s after 3 years and then every 5 years until the end of times/EU, just FYI), big anti-gun countries (= France, Italy) would simply over-vote them right from the beginning without any discussion.

        • Anonymoose

          The EU is going to be falling apart very soon. Brexit is the hairline fracture that destabilizes the whole thing, and the migrant-coddling and gunbanning are accelerating their collapse.

          • mikewest007

            Once again, horseshit. Likvid’s right, i’ve read that directive and it’s nowhere near as scary as the GOPlin media clowns try to paint it as.
            That and both Italy and Germany have their firearms industries who’d employ enough lobbyists to run any aggressive anti-gun agenda into the ground.
            Also, Brexit means great things for European gun owners, because it’s one less country run by gun-fearing cretins on both sides of the political spectrum.

          • SharpStick

            I suggest you raed the European press on this. “GOP clowns”? Uhm the GOP has it 100% correct on this. and Likvid deleted several of his posts already on this in prior threads as he got them 100% wrong

          • Likvid

            What the hell are you talking about? I never deleted any of my posts here. In fact, I’m quite sure it’s impossible as I’m not registered member and all my posts (like whole 10 of them or something..), are guest posts.
            There are two possibilities, you are just goddamn liar, or you confused me with someone else.
            Also nothing in my previous post is incorrect.

          • Likvid

            Oh, don’t get me wrong, the directive is still horseshit and I’m pretty much outraged by EU trying to dictate what kind of guns people in (supposedly) sovereign countries should(n’t) own. It’s just that Czechs cannot go against it without repercussions as legaly, they are obliged to implement it.

        • SharpStick

          The czech laws and traditions are NEVER going to hold up over the EU directive.

    • The_Dadster

      Sounds like some gals I’ve dated. ; )

  • Dave

    As an Aussie I’ll say this, you Canucks have it lucky, fight as hard as you can, for as long as you can, to keep what you’ve got. You don’t want to go down the path the retards in charge of my country went.

    • Nick

      No kidding. Your guys have been arguing over the idea of a lever action shotgun being able to hole 7 rounds. [gasp!] Why would anyone need that many rounds of ammunition?!

      Seriously though, I’d love to get my hands on one of those Adler shotguns you all have down there. Wonder if they’ll ever import into US.

      • gusto

        you sure they haven’t? the youtube guy USOG has got one

      • Dave

        Well them and their competitors are made in Turkey so there should be plenty of companies able to import them into the US.

      • freedom

        All those problems have same origin, George SOROS, Canada is SOROS property like EU, to make people slaves you need to dissarm them, we in EU, are practically disarmed, we are not allowed for self defense, but state cant protect we like 20 years ago. Im not speakin about the terrorism, only, im speaking about the rise of criminality even in the little town where few year ago was inmigineable, where first in our history our children, the women cant be safe in no place, and we have many troubles specially with new criminals and we cant protect ourself.
        Today our police and states cant protect us, but the governamts reaction is only shut up any info in SOROS property MSM, the problem is that all of us can ses and experience in the streets what is happening.
        EU is a tyranny and we are slave vassals, be careful Canada, now,you know what is exactly the proyect of SOROS for you.

        • Likvid

          Please, do not act like EU is a country, because it isn’t (well, not yet..) and hopefuly never gonna be. Thus do not give statements like “In EU we are disarmed and not allowed for self defense”. It all goes down to individual countries.

          My country is EU member and self-defense is definitely allowed here and we are not disarmed either, although I’m not gonna lie, they trying to disarm us really hard these days.

        • neckbone

          Ban guns and open the flood of Muslims into Europe, what could possibly go wrong with the religion of peace?

    • jono102

      I feel for you guys in Aussy with your firearms laws. I’ve shot in Service rifle comps here with Aussie’s who hold New Zealand Firearms licenses (with endorsements for Military Style semi’s) and loan rifles for competitions they attend here.

  • john huscio

    I hear colt canada is being dragged down the tubes by colt usa

    • Edeco

      Hmmm, not surprising. GM really sucked the life out of Saab and left an empty husk. Like a spider.

    • Gus Butts

      No.

  • RSG

    Were it not for the 2A being included in the BOR, we would’ve been disarmed long ago. Those who have govts who don’t recognize these God given, inalienable rights are on borrowed time with their firearms. Unless of course, they are willing to use them as intended.

    • Audie Bakerson

      We WERE disarmmed long ago. We had our property seize en-masses and forced to live in desert camps with no trial a few years after that.

      • RSG

        You’re Japanese?

        • Audie Bakerson

          It was done exclusively to Americans. It was a crime against the American people as a whole. (Also FDR did the same to ethnic Germans)

          • Palmier

            It was a war for survival against the greatest enemies we have ever know. Sometimes you have to do bad things to win wars.

          • Palmier

            Sometimes bad things just happen period in wars. This is why all peoples need to be able to defend themselves. You can never count on the government to respect your rights.

          • Arnold Ziffel

            You’ve got that right. Things can change overnight with governments and some day you may have to defend yourself from them.

          • Audie Bakerson

            When we’re talking about an order by the same man who actually implemented crop burning as a solution to famine. Even if 9066 was effective FDR has no basis for an appeal to effectiveness because his policies were NEVER rational.

            But it wasn’t effective. Even the paranoid, blatantly racist, Hoover said it wouldn’t help. Turns out seeing the country willing to abandon every single one of its principles overnight actually encourages traitors. Who knew?

          • Arnold Ziffel

            But to American citizens because they look different from the average American????

          • Sermon 7.62

            Because they belonged to a nation with which the “average” American’s nation was in a state of war.

            Japanese Americans, German Americans, and Italian Americans became subjects to the “regulations for the conduct and control of alien enemies”, and incarcerated to concentration camps.

            It’s the same as what Hitler’s Nazi government was doing in Germany at the same time.

          • Geez—The Japanese were the only ethnic group confined. That was hardly comparable to the Nazi actions.

          • Sermon 7.62

            Phil, this information is from respectable sources:

            “The Japanese Americans numbered about 120,000 were expelled and incarcerated for in camps.

            “Americans of Italian and German ancestry were also targeted by these restrictions, including internment. 11,000 people of German ancestry were interned, as were 3,000 people of Italian ancestry, along with some Jewish refugees.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/edba609ec15e19e3c24e2eaf5a36345e5c3ca2d5a8b56eb6fd4bd4ad1656f354.jpg

            War Relocation camp near Jerome, Arkansas (1942)

          • Sermon 7.62

            Who? The Japanese?

          • iksnilol

            These “enemies” were American citizens.

          • Palmier

            This changes nothing.

          • iksnilol

            So… to protect yourself against enemies that want to hurt you, you are going to hurt yourself (by hurting your own citizens)?

            By that logic, you should shoot yourself so that nobody else will be able to.

          • Palmier

            There are many cures to problems that involve hurting yourself or society. Perhaps you haven’t thought about it much but war itself is a sacrifice of your own citizens for the greater good. The US killed four hundred THOUSAND of its own citizens to win that war. Putting a hundred thousand americans of japanese decent into camps is trivial compared to the sacrifices made to win the war.

            Just look at gun ownership itself, we sacrifice tens of thousands of our own a year for this right.

            The japanese interment was just part of a long list of bad things we did to ourselves for a greater cause. War sucks. Bad things happen to good people in wars. Its that simple.

          • Ethnic Germans were not detained wholesale like the west coast Japanese.

      • Palmier

        Should have fought back.

      • Rogertc1

        Must be German. they had a bunch of POW camps around the USA.

        • Rogertc1

          The Japs were put in camps to save their lives after the Japs attacked the USA. As a child after I still recall the distrust against the Japs in the 1950’s. Had the US not stopped the war with Japan myself and a lot of us would not have existed. My dad was on a troop train going to the west coast to fight in Japan after defeating Germany when the Japs surrendered.

  • The_Champ

    As governments come and go, at least there has been some progression. Harper’s conservatives managed to scrap the long gun registry and loosen up the rules around transport permits on restricted firearms. Conservative MPs also raised hell when they tried to ban certain CZ and Sig rifles. They could have done oh so much more, but at least it was something. Hopefully those changes don’t get rolled back.

    • Joshua

      that’s the reality, he made the bare minimum effort to placate us, and it wasn’t enough for him to hold onto power, now the new conservative leader is a real piece of work, so we may not get another CPC prime minister for a while, and all Harper managed to do was make the gun owners feel like someone was paying attention when he wasnt, and get the libs all riled up…

  • 3of11

    What I don’t get is why the AR is restricted while 18″ barreled kel tec .223s and tavor bullpups are non restricted. Surprised people bother with ARs when there are other less restricted options. I guess they are next.

    • dkf

      The AR is one of the types specifically restricted by name. If the Kel Tecs and Tavors were around back then they’d have ended up on the list too. If I recall correctly, even the G11 is specifically prohibited. Some Liberal MPs sat around a table with a pile of gun magazines and picked out anything that looked remotely “scary”.

      • Juanito Ibañez

        ” If I recall correctly, even the [H&K] G11 is specifically prohibited.”

        Leave it to liberal idiot gun banners to “ban” a weapon which exists only in non-production prototype status.

        “Stupid is as stupid does.”
        –Forrest Gump

  • Jerry_In_Detroit

    So, petition to have the Internet shut down because it is can be used to transmit hate speech.

    • El Mysterioso

      Quit giving them ideas, dammit.

    • USMC03Vet

      It’s happening already. Search Canada rules google to censor. Canada also enforces sharia compliant speech laws. They are toast.

      • Sermon 7.62

        Canada also enforces LGBT. Soon enough, all Canadians will have to participate in the Gay Pride marches.

        100% reliable information.

        • USMC03Vet

          The information is out there. TFB doesn’t allow links. Canada is pretty scum in the freedom department.

  • DropGun25

    I’m so tired of the flippant behaviour of the Canadian Government.

    Living in constant fear the government will make a decision over night prohibiting me from owning firearms because some uneducated politician watches a movie or CNN and thinks its the answer to solving all crime throughout the entire country.

    In Canada the government believes firearms are only owned by criminals for criminal uses; but our useless Prime Minister and government see no issues legalizing marijuana, a substance that is widely considered illegal all over the world because of the lack of literature that exists to supports it as a non dangerous, non habit forming substance.

    In Canada you’re a criminal for having a hobby, and considered innocent for using and possessing illegal drugs.

    • Sermon 7.62

      Stupid.

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      The drugs are not illegal there, so they are not “illegal” drugs. Imagine the discussion the other way during Prohibition, with the same effect.

      If you think restrictions on firearms are stupid and easily circumvented, and they are, why do you think restrictions on recreational pharmaceuticals are any smarter or tougher to beat?

      • DropGun25

        Sorry, are you saying marijuana isn’t illegal in Canada? Are you Canadian?

  • Brett baker

    Just hope our northern neighbors WIN this one.

  • SCW

    “I don’t particularly mind jumping through hoops to get things”…..Well there’s your problem.

  • Tom Currie

    The author says “80% is no longer the threshold” and ” the line we had was gone” from the context it appears that he thinks “80%” is a specific standard under US law and/or ATF interpretation. I guess it’s not surprising for a Canadian to make that mistake – especially since most US citizens interested in these partially finished receivers also have the same mistaken impression. Actually the term “80%” does not exist anywhere in US firearms law, and the ATF carefully avoids using that term other than when stating that there is NO “80%” standard. “80%” is purely a marketing term used to describe a partially completed receiver that is supposedly not yet at the point where it emerges from its cocoon and magically changes from a caterpillar into a butterfly (or in this case changes from a hunk of metal or plastic into a “firearm”).

    • Marcus D.

      Except that the RCMP has now defined what we would call a 0% receiver as a firearm. California tried that too, but the bill was so silly (by defining a block of aluminum as a firearm because it could be machined into a lower) that it was quietly withdrawn. The problem with the standard is that it doesn’t rely on the physical characteristics of the object itself, but the alleged and simply inferred “intent” of the possessor.

      • Tom Currie

        This kind of legal/regulatory stupidity is what happens because laws and regulations are written by lawyers for lawyers and are therefore completely devoid of any common sense.

        We see the same thing in the US with TSA regulations that prohibit firearms “parts” on aircraft. No one has ever been able to define what a part really is. If I were to disassemble any of my firearms I’d have a lot of “parts” — some are obviously parts of a firearm, but what about ordinary screws and springs. Under US laws, technically an ordinary screw from my gun is prohibited, but an identical screw from my laptop computer is ok.

        The FACT that no law can adequately cover all the possible circumstances that lawyers invent to twist the original intent is why we have a judicial system. Justice Potter Stewart described the function of the court when he said “I know it when I see it.” Unfortunately nearly all judges are former lawyers and far too few (at least in the US) give a damn about the intent of any law and prefer to insert their own personal prejudices.

      • Steve_7

        Intent is easy to define, many fraud cases are purely about intent. Simple possession of the paper and pen isn’t illegal, but if you intend to defraud someone using them, that’s illegal.

  • Marcus D.

    It seems to me that the RCMP is the greatest threat to Canadian gun rights. The conservatives finally got the long gun registry thrown out–but reports down here were that the RCMP did not dispose of their records. and now, according to this report, the RCMP is enacting its own laws as to what guns people should be allowed to own. That is seriously inimical to freedom, when the police are the ones who write the gun laws. (In the states, regulations cannot exceed the scope of an authorizing statute.)

  • Proud Anti vaxxer

    The AR should be banned in more places, as such a crappy gun shouldn’t have the monopoly that it enjoys. Its as if the US government subsidized the Dot-Com startups before they went other. Now it just drags along with like a zombie.

    • john huscio

      And the “dumbest post of the day” award recipient is you!

      • MichaelZWilliamson

        Well, he’s not only an anti-vaxxer, he’s proud of it. So he probably thinks gravity is a liberal conspiracy.

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      “Monopoly”?

      I just had my ARs, AKs, FALs and M1 Carbines discuss this idea that the ARs have a monopoly. The ARs assure me they have no such goals, though the Carbines said they felt a bit outnumbered by the rest.

      • DorfMeister

        My bolt action mafia is working to keep my AR’s in check. Plus I have one Robinson XCR-M that’s straddling the fence.

  • Michael Shannon

    This is partially what you get from the “the AR-15’s not an assault rifle because it’s not full auto like a M-16” argument. The premise is that if it was full auto it’d be “very bad” and should be banned but since our AR-15s aren’t they’re “good” guns. It’s a self-defeating argument.

    This reasoning enables clowns like the RCMP to spend months and years trying to figure out how to “easily convert” a semi-auto to fire full auto.

    The facts are clear. It doesn’t matter if a gun is a full auto or not. It doesn’t make it more dangerous or useful for crime. The argument should be that it doesn’t matter what guns are lawfully owned. What type of action it has, mag capacity or barrel length are all just justifications for gun control and administrative boondoggles like the RCMP and ATF.

  • The_Dadster

    Canada is now being run by a bunch of hysterical leftist phags who need to be put through a wood chipper.

    • Sermon 7.62

      Canada is now being run by a bunch of Freemasons, as it always has been.

      • MichaelZWilliamson

        JOOOS! JOOOOOS!

        I’m going to need to see your birth certificate.

      • Where do you guys come up with this crazy conspiracy stuff!

        • Sermon 7.62

          Freemasons are not hiding.

          According to the Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon site, John Diefenbaker, the Prime Minister of Canada from 1957 to ’63 was a mason.

          The US presidents: Ford, Truman, F.Roosevelt, Harding, Taft, T.Roosevelt, and others including George Washington were all Master Masons.

          In Sweden, the Swedish Order of Freemasons is under patronage of the King of Sweden himself.

    • free

      And histerical lefties are SOROS puppets, search the money…….
      I dont understand how those cultural marxists dont be suspicious when they see that the elite and all MSM supoorts them and “their” undemocratic NGO (no democratic NGO s because all those NGOs have political bias and try have more politi cal power that the elected people)

  • Veteran for Trump

    Another item to mention is that a full auto fire control group (FA FCG) can be ordered over the Internet by anyone. The problem is that if you buy it AND you have an AR-15, then you are considered to be in possession of an unregistered machine gun by constructive intent, even if the parts will not install in the lower receiver. Of course the changes to the lower are quite easy to do with a drill press or a milling machine.
    AFAIK, having the FA FCG WITHOUT owning an AR-15 MAY or MAY NOT be legal.
    But if you already own a registered M-16 then you are good to go with the FA FCG as they are repair parts.
    In the U.S.

  • DanGoodShot

    I’m sorry to hear this nonsense. If you don’t like ARs, fine. Don’t effin buy one. But do not infringe on a god given right to have one. Thats right. Given right to one. Yes, all people should be able to protect themselfs with whatever they deem necessary. More so, all governments, the world over should be in service to the people. Not the other way around. We need a way to ensure that. Funny how they’re taking it away all under the guise of safety. Way more people are killed by cars every year, yet those aren’t being taken away. Because safety has nothing to do with it. We are adults that left the nest. If I felt I still needed a parent figure to tell me what to do I’d move back in with my parents. The point of Government is to govern. Not to parent.

    • iksnilol

      Rights aren’t god given.

      They are yours by virtue of being human.

      • DanGoodShot

        It all depends on ones beliefs I guess. But yes, by simply being human. Potato, potato. Tomato, tomato… ok, so… that doesn’t work out well when written. Ha!

        • iksnilol

          Well, no, by going the whole god given route you’re indirectly going for a theocratic state. And that’s a very bad thing indeed.

          • DanGoodShot

            Dude, it’s an online blog comment section. Apparently really Ruffles your feathers huh? God. gOd. goD. GOD. God God God God God God good God! 😉 life is short smile more

          • iksnilol

            Not really ruffles my feathers. It’s just slightly annoying.

            God this and god that. Frankly, god can go f*** himself for all the suffering there is in the world.

            But yeah, I guess it is hard to translate body language and emotion via text.

          • AlDeLarge

            “Frankly, god can go f*** HERself for all the suffering there is in the world.”

            Fixed it for you.

      • Rock or Something

        If you don’t believe in the idea of “God given Rights”, than use the term “Natural Rights”. It’s the same concept.

        Plenty of theocratic states have came to be as a result of ignoring those very god given rights.

  • freeddom

    Somebody want to remove freedom around the globe.
    Some group and persons dont admit any dissidence to their ideology and agenda.Only one solution can make we free again…….

    • mikewest007

      Yes. Nuke Moscow and call it a day.

  • Rogertc1

    I’ve a few Franklin Binary triggers installed in my ARs. Shoots almost like an auto and the selector works like it was designed to. Probably not imported to Canada.

  • dshield55

    One use of 80% firearms is as props. You can slip an upper over an incomplete lower. There’s a market in Europe, America, and I assume in Canada for inert weapons that are hung on walls for display. Now all of a sudden, the very uncreative RCMP assume your inert wall hanger is a machine gun.

  • dkf

    I read this decision when it first popped up on CGN (a Canadian gun forum) and I was absolutely devastated. My interest in firearms is largely based on history and how the mechanical/engineering components work. I’ve wanted to build an AR-15 for years precisely because I a) wanted an AR-15 for the historical significance and; b) thought building my own would be a great opportunity to learn how all the parts came together. Now, there’s a good chance I’ll never own an AR-15 for fear the Liberals will win another mandate and confiscate my property for minimal reimbursement (if they don’t just confiscate it outright). Does that make me a coward? Probably, but I don’t have the means to drop $2k in parts, plus accessories, magazines, and ammunition (even realizing some of the latter three can be reused) and be okay with having it all be stripped away because the government thinks I’m a potential criminal/terrorist.

    Governments seem to have a frustrating inability to recognize that people do evil deeds, not objects. A M2 in a law abiding citizen’s hands is an order of magnitude less hazardous to public safety than a 10/22 in the hands of a criminal (good thing we capped those to 10 rounds too!).

  • Sasquatch

    Stand your ground don’t give an inch. Hold fast Canada.

  • Kevin Craig

    “A machinist *could* finish it to allow full auto, so therefore it’s a machine gun.”

    But somehow that same machinist couldn’t do the same to a legal semi-auto? Or to a bare block of metal?

  • kyphe

    There is no way the police service should get to effectively make laws. The police may decide when to make an arrest but it is the prosecution service that takes the case to court and a judge has then to agree to hear it. We won’t know how it stands unless there is a test case.

  • HighMiles

    I think the biggest problem we have in Canada is the lack of unity, there’s approximately 2.2 million license holders here, if we all came together we’d be heard loud and clear. Hunters, target shooters and collectors as groups tend to think or hope changes won’t affect them, I’ve even heard some say stuff like, “who needs an AR anyway”. Not realizing that when they ban semiautomatic rifles, their duck hunting shotgun will be next.
    Instead of the wait and see attitude many law abiding firearms owners in this country have, I’d like to se NFA, CCSA, CCFR and anyone else that legally owns a gun here come together. Not even the liberals would mess 2+ million, but sadly I’m dreaming, it’ll never happen.

  • Juanito Ibañez

    “when it serves no other purpose but to become a firearm, then it’s a firearm”

    Well, let’s look at that illogic:

    That very same “receiver blank” forging can be used to make a wall-hanging replica, that is but one other “purpose” than “becom(ing) a firearm.”

    Ergo the “logic” of the RCMP and CFP no longer “holds water.”

  • Michel_T

    If I read this right, a block of aluminum (if intended to be made into a AR15 lower receiver) is now a prohibited device?!?

    WTF

  • Steve_7

    RCMP never agreed with ATF about partially completed lowers; not sure why this memo from RCMP is creating waves. CBSA has been seizing them when people have tried to import them for years. The view of RCMP has always been if you take a piece of metal and start fiddling with it with the intent of making a firearm, you’re making a firearm and you can be prosecuted for doing so if you haven’t got a licence from the point you show the intent. The argument you’re intending to make a machinegun if you clearly aren’t is wonky though.

    What always gets me is people getting wound up about opinions of ATF and RCMP – that’s all they are, opinions. They’re attempting to clarify the situation. At the end of the day, the courts enforce the law. Now ask yourself, if you were in court and had an 80% lower and all the tools to finish it, what would a jury think? Because that’s what matters at the end of the day. If it were completely left to the courts, having been in court on firearm matters, I’m here to tell you the court decisions would be far worse. Courts only generally deal with firearms in criminal matters, so they have every incentive to be as harsh in their interpretation as possible. Very rarely they come out in favour of the gun owner, but that’s about 10% of the time, but those are the cases gun owners hear about. You hear about them because they’re so rare.

  • Rogertc1

    The Japs were not exterminated like your cousins the germans did MichaelZWilliamson You Nazi or of Jamp heritage.You did vote for
    Trump right or are you a troll.

  • CavScout

    F***in snow AR’s.

  • Likvid

    The so called Constitutional Amendment means very little as it directly says, that guns are regulated by normal law anyway. So technicaly it’s still possible to fully implement EU directive. It indeed might be the way how to put guns into national security area and thus away from EU jurisdiction (it was the reason why they did it afterall), but eventual success is still in question and I believe it when I see it.