Comps Won’t Get You Killed

We have all heard it, comps will get you killed in the streets. In this episode of TFBTV, Patrick tests the theory that a compensator will peel the skin from your face and cause your eyeballs to pop out of your head. As you might guess from the title, Patrick didn’t die. He didn’t catch fire. He most certainly is just fine. Watch the video anyhow to see why you should think about a compensator or ported barrel for your carry gun.

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Patrick R

Patrick is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and Co-Director for TFBTV. He is a verified gun nerd. With a lifelong passion for shooting, he has a love for all types of firearms, especially overly modified plastic handguns, precision rifles, and AR based things. You can follow Patrick on Instagram @tfbpatrick, Facebook, or contact him by email at TFBpatrick@gmail.com.

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • Don Ward

    “We have all heard it, comps will get you killed in the streets.”

    This is literally the first time I’ve ever seen this stated. Is there someplace where poorly thought out gun lore, anecdotes, old war stories, and down home “wisdom” is being dispensed and that I haven’t been invited to?

    Outrageous!

    • m-dasher

      Look at any thread where people talk about comps on pistols….”hurr durr itll destroy your night vision!!” ….”oh just another hole for dirt to get in!!!”…..”oh the gasses will coyld your target!!”

      Literally all the BS youd expect from some mongoloid whos never actually shot a compensated gun.

      • Cymond

        I’ve never seen anyone say that a comp would get someone killed.

        I *have* seen concern about muzzle flash, concussion, setting clothing on fire, etc. Although not fatal, that would be very unpleasant.

        Also, side, WTF with the racial slur?

        • M-dasher

          if the word “mongoloid ” is offensive to you….i think youd be more at home on the DU……

          • k j

            Not really dude, “mongoloid” is pretty well known to be offensive as a term in and of itself. The fact that you also used it in a disparaging manner is pretty awfully offensive too.

          • m-dasher

            shhhh….your inner SJW is showing.

          • Michigunner

            But, did you Google what mongoloid means? Because I just did. Until just now I was with you, I always thought it meant a stupid, simple person.

            That is not what it means.

            I guess you learn something new every day. Not a word that I would ever choose to use again in civilized conversation, that’s for sure.

          • ActionPhysicalMan

            Use ‘Down’s syndrome afflicted’ if you want to be more accurate. But others can do as they wish.

          • Surfgun

            Three basic versions of human, mongoloid, negroid and caucasoid. Educate yourselves people. Life is too short to live in ignorance.
            But comps are dorky, useful or not.

          • valorius

            mongoloid was historically a word to describe people with downs syndrome.

          • Stephen Paraski

            He had a job, wore a hat, brought home the bacon.

          • Klaus Von Schmitto

            One chromosome to many.

          • valorius

            Would you like some play doh, snowflake?

          • k j

            Why? Because I know the etymology of a term? I think that’s just called being mildly educated.

        • Jared Vynn

          My Glock 20C was hell on my vision shooting in low light, left me seeing spots a little. My 22tcm was just as bad without a comp or porting though.

      • valorius

        You literally will not even notice the muzzle flash from a handgun in a defensive situation, when your adrenaline is flowing.

        • RocketScientist

          Yup. The adrenaline gets into your eyeballs and blocks the light photons from hitting the rods and cones in your eyes. Additionally, it actually changes the quantum properties of the electochemical systems IN those rods and cones, meaning that the ones that DID get exposed to the high intensity light don’t then become saturated and require time to regain their previous dark-acclimated high sensitivity.

          Sarcasm aside, I’m not saying that the loss of visual sensitivity that will result from being exposed to high intensity light will be a liability in a gunfight. I have very little experience shooting at night, and none being in gunfights. BUT, to imply that it WON’T affect your vision is just flat-out wrong. It definitely will. You may not “notice” it, but that doesn;t mean its not happening. Most people don’t “notice” their hearing loss as they age. Doesn’t make ’em any less deaf. Many people don’t “notice” they’ve been shot in a gunfight, due to adrenaline. Doesn’t mean they’re not shot, doesn’t mean they’re not bleeding out, doesn’t mean they’re losing mental acuity, etc etc etc.

          • valorius

            “you literally will not NOTICE….”

            Having done my share of firing vehicle mounted M2 .50 cals and 7.62mm M60s at night, i can tell you this issue is very, very overblown.

          • RocketScientist

            So it looks like there’s no reading comprehension test to run an MG in This Man’s Army. My point being, just because you don’t NOTICE the deficiency in your visual acuity doesn’t mean your vision wasn’t impaired. I’m glad that in the times you’ve been affected it didn’t result in your death. That’s great. But pretending that being in a life-or-death situation with seriously compromised vision (regardless of how aware or not you are of the problem) isn’t a bad idea is just idiotic. Do some research on “flash blindness”. Its a physical/chemical process. It happens. It reduces your visual acuity. That’s bad in a gunfight. These are facts, science, tested and confirmed, not opinions. I know you’re Johnny Badass who don’t need no stinking ability to perceive contrast, distinguish shapes at range, or accurately perceive depth when you’re in a gunfight, but most of us mere mortals do. And before you reply again.. yes, i know you’ll swear YOU didn’t experience those detriments to your vision, your vision was just fine. But you did. It wasn’t. It is physically impossible for it to be otherwise. Your brain was just so hyped up on adrenaline and stress hormones that it guesstimated and filled in the blanks and went on with its day.

          • valorius

            My point is that you won’t notice, so the science is pretty irrelevant. It’s not an issue. If anything, each muzzle flash creates a strobe that, at short range, illuminates your target. This creates a super cool effect with a machine gun.

          • RocketScientist

            I… I honestly don’t know how to reply. My guess is you’re trolling, since no on can actually be that dumb? If you are shot, and due to adrenaline dumb, you don’t notice it, does that mean its not an issue? You’re still going into shock, your blood pressure is still dropping, your motor controls are failing, your brain can’t process information as quickly… but according to you, since you’re not aware of it, its a non-issue?

            Let’s try a hypothetical. You are exposed to a very bright flash with dark-adjusted eyes. As a result, you suffer from flash blindness. As a result, there is a spot that takes up approximately 30% of your field of vision where you are effectively blind. Now, you don’t NOTICE this issue, for all the reason discussed above. As you scan your environment for more threats, there’s a bad dude situated right in the affected area of your field of view, pointing a gun at you. You don’t see him, because flash blindness. “Area clear, no threats here!” Everything’s going to be hunky dory, because you weren’t AWARE that you couldn’t see the bad guy??

            Hey Jim! We ran out of ammo! -No worries bro, I didn’t notice, so we’re good!

            Hey Jim, you just ran over a kid! -Well I didn’t notice, so it don’t matter!

            Watch out Jim, you’re about to step on a landmine!! – I didn’t notice it, so I’ll be fine!

          • valorius

            You readily admit you have no experience shooting at night. I’ve shot big crew served machine guns at night with honking big muzzle flashes. I’m telling you that it won’t be an issue for you as long as you have decent eye sight, and that, in fact, at close self defense ranges, the big muzzle flash actually creates a strobe effect that will momentarily light your target clear as day.

            This is where you have to either A) believe someone with practical experience, or B) A bunch of egg heads in a lab who have almost certainly never had their M113A3 track rockin’ to the tune of Ma Deuce and the Fifties at Oh Dark Thirty in the morn’.

            Your choice.

          • RocketScientist

            Oh. wow. You really ARE just that dumb. I’m not denying that you didn’t notice the effect on your eyesight. I’m sure you didn’t. Our brains are great at filling in those gaps so that we don’t notice. Example: every single one of us has a pretty decent-sized blind spot smack-dab in the middle of each eyes field of view (from where the optic nerve inserts at the back of the eye). Every second of our lives, there are two big circles right in front of us where we’re blind. But we never notice because our brain fills in the gaps. Doesn’t magically mean we can actually see whats in those blind spots, just that our brain fudges things.

            So yes, I’m going with the thousands of super-educated people, the laws of physics, and the huge amount of experimental data that all confirm everything that i’m saying, over the experiences of one idiot who honestly believes as long as he isn’t AWARE that his vision has been impaired, that it hasn’t actually been impaired. Lemme ask you this… if you had fired your MG at night, then immediately taken a visual acuity test, and let’s just say you failed it miserably, would you STILL say its no big deal? Because every other human being in that situation that they’ve ever tested HAS failed visual acuity tests after being exposed to intense flashes with dark-adjusted eyes.

          • valorius

            This is why egg heads are intolerable. They ignore actual real world experience and cling to opinions based on lab results. Much like accountants who ignore real world effectiveness based on spread sheets.

            Both are a scourge to the soldier in the field. Just sayin’.

          • RocketScientist

            This is why uneducated morons are intolerable. They can’t (or stubbornly refuse to) understand very simple concepts even when you break it down into bite sized pieces (because it goes against their inborn biases, limited subjective personal experience, or because their pride can’t stand to admit they were wrong and back down from a publicly-stated positition) and they refuse to admit the possibility that someone else out there might know more than they do.

            Pop quiz: who do you want designing your rifle… a high-school drop out army vet who’s sent tens of thousands of rounds downrange but can’t do simple math or abstract thinking? Or an egghead whos never fired a gun in anger but has advanced degrees in materials science, mechanical engineering and chemistry and who has memorized every book on firearms design?

          • valorius

            I appreciate your honesty wrt your opinion of US Infantrymen.

            I’d rather have the guy with hands on experience design my rifle.

    • USMC03Vet

      “VODA”

      That’s all I’m saying.

      • Don Ward

        I typed “VODA” into DAS Google and the first hit was for “Voda Swim, maker of the push up bikini”.

        Thanks for the assist. After clicking on the link, I’ll be busy for the next hour or two.

        • gusto

          who are you kidding? or are you including the nap?

          • valorius

            LMFAO

      • tiger

        Yoda’s, younger & less witty non Jedi Brother?

        • iksnilol

          No, just the best gun instructor on the planet.

          Shame mallninjas like @@USMC03Vet:disqus don’t respect him because of his unconventional methods.

    • tiger

      You missed the memo too?

  • JumpIf NotZero

    Lay down on some sand or dirty concrete, urban prone, and shoot it a bunch. For science.

    • Bill

      And from around cover…

      • JumpIf NotZero

        And in a car, near glass, pushing the target with the barrel… yea, comps aren’t “dumb” but they have no place on a carry gun.

        • valorius

          Pushing the target with the barrel will take most semi autos out of battery. Dude…

    • valorius

      Comps fire the blast up…

  • Scott Tuttle

    no night shooting? I wanted to see if he was gonna be blindered.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      Ugh.

  • Worm

    I work at our police academy part-time as a firearms instructor. We tested a Glock 23C by placing a piece of range cardboard above the ports and fired several rounds. There were powder burns and small slivers of bullet jacket stuck in the cardboard.

    Granted this was one gun tested once and so it conclusively proves nothing.

    Perhaps the barrel comps wouldn’t have this issue or maybe that particular G23C had improperly machined porting or maybe the ammo was the cause.

    However, the idea of a having sharp slivers of copper jacket blasted into my face and eyes while shooting from a retention position is a concern for me since I don’t wear safety glasses 24/7.

    9mm recoil is pretty mild anyway with a Glock 34 and a comped Glock 19 is about the same length. So, until I more conclusive testing is done I’ll pass on it for carry.

    • D

      +1

    • D

      Stubbies are far worse in that regard

      • Worm

        True. One reason of several that I am not partial to snubbies.

      • Anonymoose

        >not carrying a magnaported 2.5″ 629 with fullhouse loads
        Wuss.

        • Flounder

          Real men carry 500 S&W magnums! I mean cmon! What happens when an armored grizzly jumps out of the bushes and comes at you?!

          • Anonymoose

            Yeah, but if you put wood grips on that, they’ll crack.

          • Paul White

            Not as much as your palms. Owie

          • valorius

            I know you’re just kidding, but a .500 mag is a horrible choice vs an armored target. I’ve done tests, you see (I really have, a 25 year old Safariland IIIA i have had no problems whatsoever stopping several kinds of .500 magnum).

            Use max pressure 9mm+P+ 115gr total metal jacketed hard cast flat nose rounds if you want to tangle with armored bears. They will defeat several varieties of level IIIA vests, including the above mentioned Safariland.

    • Bill

      I’ve done exactly the same thing and have had exactly the same experience. It’s similar to the crud you catch from the cylinder gap of a revolver.

      Any benefits from a comp for the average shooter in the average gunfight are untested and i’d wager largely illusory.

      • Worm

        I concur.

      • DonDrapersAcidTrip

        Luckily there is actual data out there by people actually using them instead of what gun forum rando’s “wager”

        • chedolf

          gun forum rando

          username available

        • Bill

          Maybe a local reader can confirm it, but I only know of one LE agency, Sarasota FL PD, that issued comped guns, and they supposedly withdrew them from service in short order.

          Putting NASCAR parts on my patrol car won’t make me a better, safer, more effective driver.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            Are you all still talking about porting and comps interchangeably

          • Bill

            Yes, given that they both are mechanical alterations purposed to reduce muzzle rise and recoil.

          • valorius

            Might make you less condescending though.

      • valorius

        Clearly revolvers are dangerous and should never be fired in a retention position, because you could hurt yourself. I suspect your concerns are illusory.

        • Bill

          Give it a try. Replicate the experiment and tell us what your results are.

          • valorius

            I have fired revolvers in a retention position many times. I am still here.

          • Bill

            So have I and so am I. It still stings when I qualify.

          • valorius

            So you agree, it’s a non issue.

          • Bill

            Ok, sure, because you want it to be. The tattooing on the shirts I wear and the small bits of unburned powder and occasional metal shard from a terribly out-of-time gun embedded in my vest will be ignored, because you say they are a non-issue. Is it an issue if they are spraying upwards toward my face?

          • valorius

            Now we’re comparing terribly out of time guns to ported defensive firearms?

            Just keep moving those goal posts all over, eventually you’ll kick the ball through.

          • Bill

            A ported firearm has much bigger holes than an out of time revolver; I’m being generous. Dude, what’s you’re point? I’ve had ported defensive firearms spit enough ejecta when fired, as described above, that I don’t think it’s prudent to use them in close, near cover, at off angles or from beneath objects. If you want to, rock on, but my experience, and at least the experience of several other people here, is that any benefits, if they actually exist, don’t outweigh the downside.

            Do what you need to do, if it works for you fine, but I’m not the only person who doesn’t see an advantage, and indeed sees disadvantages, to using ported or comped guns for fighting. I’ll just keep struggling to manage the arm-breaking recoil of a plain 9mm or .45 ACP.

          • valorius

            My point is that it’s perfectly safe to fire a ported or comped gun from a retention position. Obviously.

            Porting holds a few advantages, not the least being that if someone DOES grab your barrel in an attempt to disarm you, you can blow a hole in their hand or remove a few fingers, for their troubles.

            Also, on a lightweight subcompact 9mm firing +P+ ammunition, porting absolutely reduces muzzle flip and allows faster firing times. Same for a .45 firing hot +P, let alone on a 10mm.

            And on a snub nosed .357 like my ruger SP101, it makes an enormous difference.

    • Tom Currie

      Hush, no one wants to hear anything about the real world if it conflicts with the preordained wisdom handed down by TFB’s staff of omniscient bloggers.

      It doesn’t matter that comping a 9mm is nearly useless. It doesn’t matter that there are some real world potential problems introduced. Comps are Kool and since all the best mall ninjas carry 9s, then the only way to be TactiKool is by having a comped 9.

      • valorius

        Comping a lightweight short barreled 9mm loaded with hot +P+ ammo is not useless.

    • mig1nc

      That’s good info, thanks. I would speculate the jacket fragments were due to the barrel being ported right through the rifling. I wouldn’t expect that in a thread-on compensator.

    • valorius

      The concept of someone trying to take my gun having shards of metal and powder burns all over their hands is very comforting to me.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Still doesnt explain why a 9mm needs a comp in the first place.

    • Anonymoose

      So you can pretend you’re shooting .22?

    • m-dasher

      Yrah….i mean who wants a lighter recoiling and more controlable weapon anyways….

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        You could switch to a BB gun…

        • M-dasher

          True…..but a bb gun generally isnt a lethal weapon…..

          I really dont know what point you are trying to make…

        • Jared Vynn

          Or 22 caliber like 5.7×28 or 22tcm.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            I don’t have a problem with it but I just don’t get it.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Hey I like the FN

          • Jared Vynn

            I was only half joking, both would drastically reduce recoil without sacrificing performance.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            I carry a G21 and at any range, statistically, you would expect to have a gunfight I’m probably going to pull the trigger one to three times unless I’m NYPD so I think I’m good.

      • john huscio

        If 9mm isn’t considered “controllable”, maybe they should just carry a slingshot

    • USMC03Vet

      9mm is savage. It stole my lunch money and kicked my dog.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Looks cool I guess.

    • DonDrapersAcidTrip

      Just when you thought Gun Penis Debates died with the .40 and .45 caliber here come comps on 9mm to bring it back

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Well if we’re talking length I don’t feel like I need to add any but to each his own. The only compensator I own is on my Barrett.

        • DonDrapersAcidTrip

          Self-awareness really isn’t your strong suit.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            I’m about six beers deep but I don’t remember ever making that claim.

    • …because “Roland” the specops hobbit decreed it to Patrick Gamgee.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        So much in fun culture, as in life, is fashion.

      • valorius

        LMAO

    • valorius

      A lightweight short barreled 9mm firing +P+ ammo absolutely benefits from a comp.

  • SomethingSomethingDARKSIDE

    Try that without eyepro–since you’d not likely be wearing eyepro while EDC during your daily routine–and we’ll take this article seriously.

    • ExMachina1

      IMO, this is the beginning and the end of the argument against comps on defensive pistols. Any margin a comp might be buying in terms of shot-to-shot time is more than off set by the very real risk of impaired vision.

      • valorius

        What real risk?

  • Raptor Fred
  • Raptor Fred

    What load were you running for the vid?

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      124 grain hst +p

      • Big Daddy

        That’s great for that round which is snappy. The comp works great. But not on my carry gun.

  • Jeff Smith

    As someone who has been through grad school and had comprehensive finals, comps almost killed me.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      In the streets…?

      • Jeff Smith

        Ha, COMPrehensive exams, that is.

        Being locked in a room that smells like farts and sadness for an entire week while you write papers that will determine whether or not you just wasted the last two years of your life will do that.

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          I know what school is, dude. I went through fourth grade three times so I’m pretty smart.

          • Jeff Smith

            Ha, my apologies!

  • tiger

    I must have missed the memo?

  • john huscio

    I’ve never seen anyone with a compensator or any muzzle device on their carry weapon……hell, I’ve never seen anyone with a red dot on their carry weapon

    • Jared Vynn

      I had a fastfire on my Glock 20c which was my carry for a while.

    • Flounder

      I have seen both on peoples carry guns. The comps are usually gone after not too long. The red dots usually stick around though. But it takes a special kind of person to even want to carry a red dot. I would… but not everyday. More for entertainment value.

    • Paul White

      It’s not a comp, but my 41 is ported and I’ve carried that on occasion in bear country.

    • valorius

      I have had several carry pistols with a comp. Several manufacturers also make several well known flavors of them.

    • valorius
  • uncle fester

    Just looking at that video, it appeared that a significant amount of gas was being directed towards your eyes. Without eye protection, I would be very concerned about damaging my vision.

  • DonDrapersAcidTrip

    Everyone’s posts about comps here remind me of everyone posts about how “mlok is just a fad” here too. Real visionaries. Might as well go into the gun store run by 80 year olds here for the kind of insightful wisdom I get out of you all.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      It’s OK, I understand change scares them and they think they have learned everything one can know from the internet. Clearly there is nothing new that could be don’t to a handgun that makes it a better tool.

    • uncle fester

      The issue has nothing to do with fads. When it comes to defending myself, the only criteria is – does a change make me safer? At self defense ranges, the marginal gain in accuracy a comp might give me is irrelevat if I get blinded (even momentarily) by stuff thrown into my eyes.

      • valorius

        And what if the dude grabs the barrel of your carry gun in an attempt to take it away, and you cap off a round, blowing his fingers off. Might that be useful?

        • itsCOMPlicated

          I love how you keep saying this as a defense for comps. As if the arguments against comps are scientifically unfounded, but it is a fact that fingers will be “blown off” by the muzzle blast of a 9mm comp. even if it were the case that it “blows off” fingers, how would that be an argument for comps??? Can you not imagine a self defense situation where the ports may be close to your fingers or other parts of your body during firing?

          • RocketScientist

            No no no no, don’t you see. The many-thousands-of-degrees-hot burning gas, metal debris, carbon and other particles shooting out of there at thousands of feet per second is hot and energetic enough to blow fingers clear off a bad dudes hand. But theyre SMART enough to know not to go anywhere near the eyes of the shooter.

          • valorius

            If you wrap your hand around a ported barrel tightly, it will absolutely blow a finger (or a portion of a finger) off when you pull the trigger. If you cannot understand how that would be helpful if someone was trying to grab your gun, i can’t help furhter.

          • itsCOMPlicated

            Please cite your source for this fact. Let’s assume for a second that you are correct, though. Are you saying the force of the gases/powder/copper jacket shavings are powerful enough completely remove an appendage from the human body, but not powerful enough to throw dangerous particles into the shooters eye? Or injury a shooter firing from retention?

            Also, you never answered my question. Can you not imagine a self defense situation where the ports of the pistol may be close, possibly even pressed against, your fingers? If the blast is as powerful as you claim that it is then you now not only must practice muzzle discipline, but also “port discipline”.

            Basically this, I don’t personally know whether ported guns are safe for defense or not, but your argument is stupid.

          • valorius

            “Put a fire cracker in your palm, boom, you get a burn. Wrap your fingers around it, boom, your wife is opening your ketchup bottles for the rest of your life.” (movie quote, but i don’t recall the title)

            I welcome you to perform the experiment personally, to me it’s obvious enough what will happen if you wrap your hand tightly around a couple ports discharging hot gasses in excess of 40,000 psi such as is the case with 9mm+P+. Very, very bad things are going to happen.

            Your eye is many feet from the port, that space gives the gases plenty of room to dissipate to safe levels.
            A hand wrapped tightly around it would be attempting to replicate the wall of your barrel. Not gonna work out well for your hand. Not at all.

            Being conscious of the fact that your pistol is ported, i think the odds of something bad happening in a close encounter is very small, especially compared to your ability to use the ports as a defensive tool.

          • itsCOMPlicated

            I ask you to cite your source and you cite a movie quote… that about sums up the strength of your argument. And it’s not up to ME to prove YOUR claim.

            So a standard air compressor puts out about 90psi. I challenge you to have a friend spray a small pile of sand/dust/particles towards your face from 3 ft away and see if it “dissipates”. You are claiming 40,000 psi (that’s about 444 times an air compressor) will dissipate from your hand to your face? Even the writer (who was wearing eye pro) claimed to be getting some blow back in his face. Even the slightest bit of particles in the eye can put the eye out of commission. Get it in both eyes and you can be temporarily blinded while in a gunfight.

            Ultimately I don’t care if someone uses a ported weapon for defense. I actually think ported weapons are unique and cool. I do not, however, see them as the way of the future of defense.

            And lastly, I object to your argument, not to ported weapons. You argue that ports are completely shooter safe, but can blow off an attackers fingers. YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS! Either the ejection of gases and particles are safe or they are not. If it is dangerous for an attacker then you must accept that there is a danger to the shooter. Shooters of standard weapons only have to be conscerned with forward blast. Shooters with ports have two blasts. If the port ejects bullet jacket or particles or, as another commentor stated, kicks up particles while prone or on the ground, then the shooter runs the risk of eyes being affected. It’s not rocket science.

          • valorius

            Tell you what- wrap your hand tightly around a mag-na-ported 9mm barrel, load it with +P+ and fire a round. Tell us how many fingers you’ve lost.

            I can’t ‘cite a source’ for something that no one is dumb enough to ever attempt to do, all i can do, is cite the pressure of 9mm+P+, which can exceed 40,000 psi.

            You dismiss the massive damage that closing your hand around a port will do, but state that the same blast will cause damage to you after dissipating for several feet.

            So which is it tex?

          • itsCOMPlicated

            Actually I don’t dismiss it. I think it would cause Damage to your hand! Would it blow your fingers clean off? How the hell should I know? I never said that a blast from a port wasn’t dangerous, I only stated that your argument is flawed since you claim the damage it could cause is a bonus for defense, but not a negative for the shooter. Obviously you will never understand what I’m getting at here, so I’m moving on with my life…

          • valorius

            I claim it’s an obvious bonus for retention.

            Enjoy the rest of your life.

  • Bill Robbins

    No thanks.

  • Rob

    Bad video to show it not jumping around, looks like it did noting for that.
    They add to the blast I believe? Me ears no likey
    They add cost? Me wallet no likey
    Feel free to have what ever you like, but no one wants to hear you tell them what to do, or what to think. Maybe show some data, state your opinion, and leave it up to the viewers to make their own mind.

    I miss that Alex guy.

  • Anonymoose

    Why aren’t people doing this with the 26? Holsters would be easier to find, and you could use the flat 10 rounders or baseplated 12 rounders for better concealment.

  • ActionPhysicalMan

    Now try it without the hearing and eye protection.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      Both eyes are open cupcake.

  • Big Daddy

    Can the muzzle device in a close fight actually disable the gun? Stop the slide from working? I have no idea and neither does anybody else. Until it is tested, heavily tested and modified to work under those test conditions I’ll stick with my basically stock G19. And that’s it in a nutshell, until it is heavily tested it is a no go.

    I think so many miss some points. The comp does work and very well but not on a carry gun and not for some of the reasons people might think. Although some have mentioned logical things in certain scenarios. Like eye and hearing issues. Inside a car…This just an opinion but I have thought about it and other things.Anything that can give you an edge is a good thing but at what price?

    The whole idea of a carry gun is to fight with it. Speaking about a car, how about the CAR system. I do use one aspect of it in my system that I use for self defense and a comp would not work. The point being you are in a fight and that gun might be who knows where when you press that trigger. It’s not the range and not a class and not anything you could even train for. A fight is a fight, especially in the street. Crazy things happen, no way to envision every possible scenario.

    A comp is a potential issue as it does something good but gives off things that are bad. Noise and blast are not a good thing in a close battle. A distraction, something flying in your eye. If there is any possible issue that can go wrong, like Murphy said it probably will and at the worse time. Anything that can cause a failure in any way whether mechanically or whatever, like a piece of burnt powder in you eye. I learned that from experienced people that carry for a living. They do as little as possible to their carry guns and nothing to their duty guns.

    They talk about 100% reliability from their gun, their holster, ammo everything down the line 100% reliability is the main concern. Zero failures and use a minimum of things that could go wrong. A rig like that is a no go for everybody I have spoken with. As a backup weapon maybe but as a primary weapon NO. As a backup with a lot of testing and actual firefights yes. As a primary on the streets no. Murphy’s law.

    • Bill

      New stocks are about the only mod I’ll do on a working gun with the possible exception of better sights if needed. I figure that the engineers are better at engineering than I am. I have playguns that I can go nuts on with the mods should I feel the need to spend money on something other than training ammo.

  • TDog

    But remember: a bullpup WILL have a catastrophic case failure and blow your face off. No one’s ever seen it, no one’s ever had it happen to them, but by gum it’s a threat!

  • Flounder

    This video is hideously one sided. Dump a mag, and reload, then empty that WITHOUT that eyepro and hearing protection.

    On second thought, Please do this, it will get us all laughing as we watch you try to conceal your deafness. Do it in the dark too so we can enjoy your blindness too!

    Maybe invite James and have him wear his super scientific paper towel mask. /sarc

    • Paul White

      If I have two full mag dumps out of my EDC I kind of think hearing loss is the *least* of my worries.

      • Flounder

        I say something similar elsewhere in the thread.

        I was trying to highlight how ridiculous it is to compare playtime at the range with a situation you may die in and certainly never expected.

        Its stupid to go look comps arent bad! With something on your head to dampen the sound and something to keep the blast out of your eyes…

  • atmar

    take of the glasses…. do it w/o eye protection…… dummy

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      Even if I did people like yourself would be calling me a dummy for not wearing eye pro. Do you have anything constructive to add?

      • atmar

        just do it……. 5 shots……. you could be right……..i could be wrong…… after which ill go out and buy a comp……you win……..post the vid

  • derfelcadarn

    Desperate for content, I see

  • Edeco

    I never said or heard that it would get you killed. Problem is it’s bigger, louder and more expensive than a G34 but not a G34.

    It’s like the donked-up Civic of Glocks, where the G34 is the relative stock Genesis Coupe 😛

  • ExMachina1

    While I’m glad that you didn’t die or catch fire, nothing about this convinces me that a comp on a defensive handgun is more of a benefit than it is a liability. Even w/o a comp, rapid fire 9mm shots at 7-10 yards will stay on a man-sized target, even if you don’t allow the muzzle to return to fully level. That’s just a reality of geometry and the modest muzzle flip that 9mm generates.

    However, if that comp ever happened to spew particulate (powder, jacket fragment, debris from an adjacent wall, etc) into your eye, you’d suddenly find yourself at a SEVERE disadvantage in a fight. That IMO is reason enough to never consider a comp outside of competition.

    • valorius

      If my aunt had nuts she’d be my uncle.

  • kzrkp

    “not bright wont blind ya!”
    [shoots in the daytime]
    [still visibly more prevalent muzzle flash in daylight]
    I don’t have night shooting experience with pistols but it’s not hard to imagine why this is a bad thing. also bracing against something can send crap in your eyes. not the same degree of concern as a rifle but this is pretty flippant and unscientific.

  • BattleshipGrey

    I should’ve heeded the warnings, but I was headstrong and
    didn’t want to listen. A few weeks ago, I discovered my folly. I had just
    stopped into the local thrift store to drop off my collection of beanie babies
    and took my time doing some window shopping for my cat, Sparky, he needed some
    new toys to keep him occupied while I’m at work. Playing in the toilet just
    wasn’t going to work.

    It was getting dark by the time I was done and the downtown
    shops were starting to close up for the night. I was on Phoenix St a block from
    my parked car. As I stepped past the corner which opened into the alley way, I
    saw the three silhouettes against the street lights from the next block over
    through the alley. They were close and coming closer. One of the three moved,
    possibly to start outflanking me. As he moved I saw the figure of someone
    slumped over in the middle of the alley, he wasn’t moving. The lead figure
    moving towards me had something in his hand. As he moved it, the light
    flickered on something shiny and as he stepped into the light of the street, I
    could see a bloodied blade, flashing now. He said “hey man, gimmie your wallet!”

    I told him I didn’t have anything in my wallet, but he didn’t
    believe me and insisted that I hand it over. I gestured with my hands to calm
    down and told him I’d comply. I slowly moved my hand back toward my wallet, but
    then back peddled, dropped the multi-colored feathery toy I’d bought for
    Sparky, lifted my shirt with my left hand and drew my Roland Special Glock 19
    from its holster inside my waistband and leveled it at the three thugs. I
    yelled “you can’t have my money, leave me alone!”

    Despite the distance I’d tried to make, it wasn’t enough,
    they’d kept pace with me and the blade was flashing faster now as the leader was
    making gestures of his own. The other thugs removed knives from their coats and
    had toothy (one thug only had three teeth, and yellow ones at that) grins on
    their faces. I was out of room. A public bus had joined our fray by
    happenstance and was honking at us to take our party elsewhere as it was forced
    to stop. A bicycle strapped to the front of the bus jabbed me in the back with
    its handlebar.

    I aimed at the leader’s chest and fired three rapid shots.
    The few people standing near enough to watch the incident unfold screamed and
    scattered. The leader dropped to his knees, no smiling now. My hands felt hot.
    I’d read a lot of “it happened to me stories” about having to defend one’s
    self, but hot hands were never mentioned. One of the thugs had fled back into
    the alley, but there was one remaining and he was determined to close our
    distance and get my wallet, or revenge, maybe both. But I’ll never know exactly
    what his motivation was. Four more shots rang out in the darkness. But the
    compensated barrel on the Rolandated Glock lit the block like a lighthouse of
    freedom. My freedom. The perp dropped in a heap inches from my feet. The
    leader, now lying down a few feet from my last four shell casings sputtered, “what’d
    you hit us with man?” “9mm!” I spat back, infuriated at the way they forced my
    actions. The leader’s eyes widened before he lowered his head and slowly closed
    his eyes for the last time.

    I scanned 360 degrees to make sure there weren’t any more of
    them. Then, once the coast was clear I holstered my gun, but as it touched my
    skin on my waist I couldn’t believe how hot it was. That’s when I saw my hands.
    My hands were blistered and red. My shirt cuffs were singed and smoking. What
    would’ve happened if I’d had to fire more shots? I’m certain I would’ve caught
    my shirt on fire and maybe even the thugs. Would they have run into a building
    while on fire and started the next Great Fire, like London, or Chicago? Maybe
    Chicago’s Great Fire was really started by a concept that was too ahead of its
    time, the Roland Special. Maybe it wasn’t really a cow knocking over a lantern.

    All I know is, don’t put a compensator on your self defense gun. Listen to
    those that say “you might just start a fire.” I almost did, and I nearly didn’t
    make it to tell you the same.

    • Y-man

      Nooooiiiiice! When is Part 2 coming up?
      Seriously though, good points here…

  • Patrick needs a new job

    So the Patrick the ultimate authority on everything shooting graces us once again with his “facts” I’ve never heard comps will get you killed. However in your ultra scientific study remove your eye/ear pro and shoot in a darkened room. Where are the different comps and ported barrels being tested different types of ammo etc…. No you don’t really have any of that. You just pass your opinion off a fact yet again. I might point out on a subject someone else has already done(you referenced him in the video) Thank god TFB has you what would I do without your guidance. Oh wait if I listened to you I would have sold all my guns, believe big box stores fail shooters while not understanding how big box stores even operate. I would be a moron and think a comp is ok on a carry gun. And that brass hitting me in the face is acceptable. Can we please please get someone else?

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      Nope. You guys are stuck with me.

  • as soon as you brought it in and only fired 2 shots. compared to 5 it showed it is a bad idea. you stopped fast and rubbed your shirt fast

    • Y-man

      There’s something called “Ammo”… It finishes sometimes… Which was why he changed mags immediately afterward…

  • 22winmag

    When it comes to shooting Modern Sporting Rifles at high magnification, there is the Gogun Supercomp. Followed by everything else.

  • valorius

    If there is a better weapon retention tool than a comped or ported barrel, i am not aware of it’s existence. My nightstand gun is a quad-ra-ported 3″ Ruger SP101. I dare anyone to grab the barrel of that in a physical struggle for control of the firearm.

    I also carried a mag-na-ported S&W 6906/5903 hybrid on the job for over a decade.

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  • Tom

    Are the concerns over a comp on a CCW overblown, absolutely! However a 35mph wind with particulate/smoke irritant in it in your face/eyes isn’t going to be very fun if you don’t have big old safety glasses on. Sure you can tilt the port, and hope you do that in the heat of the moment, I’m sure you can train to blink longer to make sure your eyes are closed for every shot. Honestly I consider the debris in the face likely a minor concern, and setting you on fire just ridiculous.

    The biggest downside I’ve seen shooting comp guns, again depending on the comp and the ammo is if they have upward ports is your night vision destruction in low light. Now if you hang a big old surefire on your ccw gun or only go out during the day, it’s not a big deal. If you are shooting a stationary harmless target at the range during the day it’s not a big deal. Try to hit something moving erratically in the dark, or that’s behind cover offering a small target and you need all the low light vision you can get. In those conditions even non-ported guns will have muzzle flash that can cause problems, but comps with upward ports it’s much worse. We see this in dark shoot houses all the time when guys run comp guns without lights.