TFB Exclusive: Glock 17M In The Wild

With the National Rifle Association’s Annual Meeting now just a few days away, new product announcements are a foregone conclusion. At the top of my (and many others) list of releases is the the elusive Glock Generation 5 and/or ‘M’ models that may or may not make an appearance sometime this year. Possibly signaling pending public availability, a legitimate ‘high speed, low drag’ friend of mine was just issued a Glock 17M for some real-world testing.

TFB Exclusive Glock 17M

As TFB’s Patrick R has noted in the past, the ‘M’ model Glock pistols include features often requested by customers. Most notably, the lack of finger grooves and a flared magazine well. I am also a fan of the beveling on the forward portion of the slide.

If you also remember, last August TFB reported that Glock had recalled fielded 17M’s with apparent slide issues. Hopefully those have been corrected in this newest release.

Fielding the Glock 17M:

TFB Exclusive Glock 17M


TFB Exclusive Glock 17M


TFB Exclusive Glock 17M


TFB Exclusive Glock 17M


TFB Exclusive Glock 17M

As my friend’s testing progresses, we hope to bring you updates with what features work and any observations or failures experienced during the trials. Hopefully along with some additional images.

Again, at this point we have no idea if the ‘M’ series will make it into public hands or if a separate ‘Generation 5’ series will debut sometime in the future. However, additional field trials are a usually a good sign of things to come.

Dear Glock: You had me at ‘no finger groves’. Call me.


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  • A subtly and not meaningfully different Glock. I must have it.

    • andrewRS

      Agreed. The changes are subtle, but they do make for, in my opinion, a slightly more perfect version of perfection.

      • john huscio

        Most of the internals are scaled up glock 43 parts, which seems to be a big departure from previous gens

      • neckbone

        What no safety

      • John Milner

        I agree. I shave all the finger grooves off my Glocks and find it much more comfortable than with the finger grooves.

    • PK

      I feel better that I’m far from alone with that initial reaction.

    • john huscio

      Conventional rifling is a pretty big change

      • Dr.Octagaon

        I’ll keep my polygonal rifling, thank you very much. I want every ounce of muzzle velocity and polygonal really helps get the most out of every round. Don’t like to shoot jacketed ammo? It’s the 21st century, switch a round like .45ACP with lower FPS where lead ammo is fine (typically, anything over 1100fps needs to be a specific alloy of Lead/Antimony/Tin to get its melting point high enough to withstand the friction at that speed)

        • Anonymoose

          >shooting post-1900 cartridges with non-jacketed, softcast bullets
          I could see using them maybe in a magnum revolver cartridge, but no automatic should be loaded with soft lead boolits.

          • Dougscamo

            Wheelweights work quite well since they make a boolit that is hard enough….but pure lead? Nope…but it works great in muzzle loaders…not that I’ve seen a semi auto muzzle loader

        • john huscio

          I’ll take increased accuracy over velocity.

          • DaBearssss

            I, as well as several of my colleagues, regularly cloverleaf targets @ 15m using OEM Glock 19, 17 and 34 barrels w/ 124gr FMJ S&B/MEN/Aguila/Fiocchi/AmEagle as well as the 147gr AmEagle. The G34 OEM barrels really shoot those 147gr AmEagles well. Like stupidly well, if a little high at POA.

            I would like to see actual data that proves polygonal rifling is less accurate, all things else being equal (headspace, lockup, load, etc.).

            In our own anecdotal experience via informal testing, we’ve not noticed much in the way of any accuracy difference (not to be confused with precision) between OEM Glock barrels, Sorm Lake, Lone Wolf or Bar-Sto (except with the slower match loads; they do prefer conventional).

          • Marcus D.

            I’ve read that polygonal is supposed to be more accurate–but is there any appreciable difference in accuracy at self defense range (i.e., 7 yards or less)? Or even that significant a difference at 25 yards? Why do I think that is rather unlikely?

    • codfilet

      It’s like the new Malibu Stacy!

      • Pete – TFB Writer

        That made me 😂 lol

    • Secundius

      Join the Military or become a Corrections Officer…

  • Someone at GlockTalk has shown photos of a reputed G19 Gen5. It appears to be a G19M without the semi-circular cutouts and magwell flare.

    • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

      Oh good everyone hated those features…

      *Sarcasm*

    • john huscio

      Cutouts suck, at least when they have sharp edges.

  • Heathen White boy

    It’s like getting excited about a new piece of drywall.

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      Mmmm. Drywall.

    • jlarson41

      I don’t know, I have some nice camo drywall that is pretty exciting.

      • FarmerB

        No finger grooves?

    • I love the smell of drywall in the morning, smells like victory!

  • Graham2

    I’ve seen pixilated faces often enough but not pixilated worktops before! I guess someone’s under deep cover and doesn’t want anyone knowing who, or where, he is.

  • IronManOWar

    Where are the front cocking serrations? I was promised front cocking serrations!!! *throws fit*

    • andrewRS

      Gen 6

      • James Young

        Haha, nice

      • Secundius

        Isn’t that the 10-Watt Plasma Pistol…

    • DIR911911 .

      in the trash can where they belong

      • SocraticMethodMan

        Ok, so I can see the argument that people don’t like them, but seriously? If they’re there and you don’t use them, how can they bother you? It benefits those that use them and doesn’t affect those that don’t.

        LOGIC!

        • valorius

          I guess it only bothers us if a glock user ND’s one of us.

        • Agreed. It’s an improvement but gun guys are so insecure they are afraid to adopt anything new that people might make fun of. Remember lights on a gun give your secret position away. Lasers would mean the bad guy could track you in fog. Polymer was Tupperware. Sig 1911’s didn’t fit holsters. Thumb safeties are horrible stupid and wrong but spender carry is the only way to carry. Women don’t complain as much as gun guys do.

          • Bill

            We complain worse than biddies at bingo night at the retirement home.

        • FarmerB

          It’s a micro-aggression.

          – Snowflake.

        • Edeco

          Throw off the styling, add cost, maybe a little friction when whipping out. It’s something only a purist/enthusiast will care about, but to me it’s certainly incorrect for a Glock.

          It’s like heated seats in a pony car, they can be ignored but shouldn’t be there at all. They’re a departure from the classic formula. Or like sparkling fiber-optic lighting in an oil painting.

        • Stuki Moi

          They abrade holsters…. Until the holsters become rough enough that the front serrations hang up on them during holstering…

          And, they aid your gun grabbing attacker in controlling your gun….

          Both issues of course extremely relevant for most gun buyers … 🙂

          From Glock’s POV, though, they cost money. Machining is expensive. The Glock is not supposed to cost money. Every penny a purchaser spends, is supposed to go to Gaston’s bimbos, and Gaston’s exes’ lawyers. Any feature that doesn’t pop out of a mold fully finished, is to be minimized.

        • David Horgan

          I see that alot in people new to guns. After shooting and carrying for a few years you grow up and realize just about 99% of all handguns are generally good guns and people just have different tastes. I don’t care for Glocks. Trash them because of that? Nope, they are great guns. But not my taste.

      • Marc

        Along with the plastics sights? Yes? Say yes!

        • HSR47

          Actually, the dovetail protectors are one of the best things that Glock does.

          Look at it this way: Real sights are expensive, and what people want will vary based on intended use and personal preferences. Since I’m just going to toss the included “sights” almost immediately anyway, I’m glad they’re as cheap as they possibly can be.

          The REAL problem is that too many people are too cheap and/or ignorant to actually put real sights on their Glock pistols.

          • FarmerB

            So the most important component of a pistol should be made mega cheap because it will be thrown away? That’s like having a BMW M3 with a Chinese plastic gearbox in it because anybody clever will replace it with some Borg Wagner masterpiece? I would maintain that Glock could spend $20 on a better sight system that 95% of people are happy with. You know, like just about all the other manufacturers do!

          • HSR47

            The best iron sight option will vary by intended use.

            * Co-witness with RMR? Trijicon suppressor-height sights.

            * Competition? some variety of fiber-optic front with plain black rear.

            * Carry? Some variety of tritium-lit (front and rear) sights.

            Sure, it would be NICE if they offered some models with Glock-branded tritium-lit sights (which it looks like they might be moving towards), but I’ll take cheap plastic garbage sights over slightly more expensive metal garbage sights any day of the week: As I said, anyone worth their salt is going to replace them with something that’s actually worthwhile (and appropriate for their intended use(s)) anyway, so it’s good that they’re as inexpensive as possible.

            The problem is not the “sights,” the problem is that people are too cheap to replace them with actual sights.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      That’s the FS models that are separate from the M models… it’s stupid.

  • Bas

    I like the front of slide, its just that i want, but i preffer gen 4 grip, but all in G19.
    Its like when HK corrected all details that didnt like we of the UPS in the P30

  • DanGoodShot

    A Glock is a Glock if a Glock is a Glock.

    • DIR911911 .

      and sandpaper is your friend when it comes to modification

      • LGonDISQUS

        But but but what about my cousin’s friend’s non-licensed business where he stipples your glock with a soldering iron for $125?

  • izhmash

    I’ve asked Glock a few times on Twitter what the M stands for and no response lol

    • JT303

      Military or modular would be my guess.

    • Gary Kirk

      Magical!!!

    • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

      ‘Murica

    • AC97

      It stands for mediocre, what else?

      But seriously guys, Glocks are overrated, and you’re really missing out if you think they’re the end-all-be-all of pistols. Oh, and .40 sucks.

      • NotThatGuyagain…

        Keep loading your H&K mags backwards. We’re all rooting for ya.

    • therealgreenplease

      Modern?

    • Swarf

      Murfection.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    I love Glocks for their practicality, my 17/19 is almost all I shoot. But…

    Glock has gone for fragmentation now. Shows weak leadership.

    Gen3 – some desirerable features
    Gen4 – some desirerable fearures
    FS Models – serrations / modified controls
    M series – no finger grooves
    Exclusives – some desirable features

    I feel like if I buy separate 4 guns, I could make the one they should be offering.

    That’s dumb.

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      Maybe they should offer a “build your own Glock” service where you pick and choose what features go on your pistol.

      • RickH

        That would be very nice. After decades they should be offering some options.

      • therealgreenplease

        That’s really not a terrible idea. I mean, it would be a nightmare from an SKU management perspective, but eventually some OEM is going to do it so, IMO, it’s better to lead than it is to follow. Given Glock’s fairly dominant market position, they could use such a program to put the hurt on their competitors.

        • Pete – TFB Writer

          Agreed. I think it could be done fairly easily. And result would be 40-80 different combinations. Charge $50 more for a custom gun. Heck people would probably pay $100.

          • Edeco

            Yeah but I’d want a 7.5″ barrel, slide 1.5″ longer than that if a G17L and 500 yard vernier- or leaf-sight. G17A, basically.

          • Pete – TFB Writer

            Extra special orders are sent back to Austria for hand lapping and chamber polishing.

          • jeepers

            What? No shoulder stock….? Curses……..

          • Edeco

            That too, extra-thick full-length kydex holster with an aluminum rod molded in for stiffness, that will double as a stock… or wrist brace

          • valorius

            I’ll take the one with the ambi manual safety. Oh, wait…

      • JSmath

        It’s almost like they could invent a universal chassis that’d be easily moved from one design to the other, so that different needs and desired features could be had without requiring the legal transfer of a firearm (when there would be effective no additional firearms created). Weird.

        Instead they skipped that in their complete ignorance to keep selling paupers garbage that they’re so giddily dying to choke down.

        • Pete – TFB Writer

          You do have a valid point.

        • Anonymoose

          uhhh…you mean exactly what SIG, Ruger, and Beretta did for the program where everyone was pretty much supposed to submit a universal chassis pistol? Glock is too stuck in their old ways of minor modifications (many of which have had serious teething issues), lame-but-prolific marketing, and shady backroom deals. Of course if you use the non-9mm Glocks as a “chassis” you can convert them to numerous caliber and size configurations with the right barrels, Xgrips, slides, and those Lone Wolf dust cover gap-filler things. The latest development I’ve seen is extended barrels for the G29/30 that could give you the ability to use Glock 20, 21, 21L, or 40 slides on them, but there are no gap-fillers for the large-frame Glocks yet afaik.

        • john huscio

          How is it “garbage” when glocks are still the gold standard for size/weight/firepower efficiency in pistols after 30+ years?

          • FarmerB

            Gold? Bronze maybe.

          • john huscio

            Gold as there aren’t any doublestack pistols on the market that are lighter or thinner….

          • FarmerB

            I don’t know whether that’s true or not, and it’s not that relevant for me, or just about anybody I know. But I see the Glock as a Kia. Perfectly competent for the masses, nothing special, maybe more grey than gold.

      • FartsDoHaveLumps

        With everything going to automation, you could customize your Glock on their website on Monday, it gets sent to the custom shop and the automated machining machines (REDUNDANCY!) and gets assembled within a few days and shipped out by Wednesday. Throw in a 2-3 day air shipment and a strong possibility you get your custom Glock by Friday.

        Step 3, profit!

        • HSR47

          The problem is that there’s no easy way to do this within the current multi-tiered (mfg > dist > dealer > customer) distribution system.

          For all intents and purposes, they’d basically need to combine the models of Amazon (automated warehouse) and SilencerShop (A distributor that customers deal with directly, and that gives the transferring FFL a reasonable share of the money): The customer would then go on the site, select their configuration, and pay, and the automated system would pull the necessary parts from the warehouse and put them in a bin in an assembly queue. From there, it would be assembled and shipped to the dealer.

          I mean, it COULD work, but it would require the sort of forward thinking that we’re not likely to see in this business anytime soon.

          One of the biggest things holding this industry back is what seems to be a fear of innovating and trying new things. Ultimately, I believe this is a product of the oppressive legal climate: Innovating to this degree requires too much money under the current system, which means that the companies with the financial ability to innovate tend to be the ones least willing to do so, and those most willing lack the financial means.

      • roguetechie

        Pete,

        You and JINZ make a valid point… And one that reminds me of the western movie where the guy comes walking out of the desert half dead and into a gun shop. He then asks to see several guns which he then carefully strips parts from several, assembling a gun out of the parts he took off the other guns…

        I feel like many of us in the gun community are reduced to doing something similar in order to get one decent gun which actually has the complete feature set we want!

        It’s not like this is strictly a Glock issue either! It’s common across the entire industry. Bullpup rifles suffer from this issue too, as do AR’s and AK’s.

        I know I’m not the only guy who has assembled whole guns from the parts I’ve removed from guns I’ve bought because it was impossible for me to actually get a complete rifle which fit my needs!

        • Pete – TFB Writer

          So true. And maybe that’s just our nature – to modify every gun to fit our liking. Or maybe manufacturers need to give consumers more options.

          • Bill

            “Or maybe manufacturers need to give consumers more options.”

            As long as they don’t go full SIG with titanium truck toolbox finishes and such nonsense.

          • Pete – TFB Writer

            That is exactly my biggest complaint about the Sig lineup.

          • FarmerB

            Yup

          • jeepers

            What’s wrong with titanium truck toolbox finishes ?….

          • roguetechie

            Manufacturers definitely need to do a better job and offer more options to consumers!

            Even using my kinda rickety and kludged software tool chain and home built CNC tooling which mostly consist of homebrew multi machines since I have major space constraints, it’s literally a trivial matter to bash out a new design fork for a single part or even a whole assembly!

            With a complete set of big boy software and tooling you could bash out crazy levels of customization pretty much at will without creating any sort of strain or chaos at a production facility.

            That’s pretty much what NAS setups and project management software is built to enable even if most companies aren’t taking advantage of it!

            NAS= Networked storage that anyone on the network can access to a level that is dependent on their network permissions. Aka your shop monkeys can pull a custom project someone else built In design software, create the toolpaths etc to manufacture it for the first time, email a copy of the toolpaths etc they generated to your network admin or a designer depending on company size, produce the first copy of this new custom configuration, and then the network guy or designer can then add the now verified machine instruction set to the NAS so that the next guy who wants say Roland special version 2 profile 7 can just pull it down from the NAS and feed the known good instruction sets to the machines! If all this is set up correctly your shop monkeys can’t accidentally destroy existing project files etc.

            Technology really is awesome, if you can get people to use it!

            PS: I’m not at all denigrating the shop guys, just acknowledging the reality that in the past it would have been very easy for mistakes to be made which destroys thousands of man hours of work with one mouse click.

        • Dougscamo

          “The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly”…

          • roguetechie

            Thanks!

            I was just not finding the movie title in my memory when I wrote the comment.

          • Matt Taylor

            Sig, Hi-Point, and Glock? 😛

      • Pete Sheppard

        A Glock version of the old S&W ‘Whiz Wheel’?

  • John Doe

    Still has the crappy finish not the teflon one

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      I miss the old frying pan finish.

      • FOC Ewe

        My early Gen3 G23C is far prettier than any of that shiny garbage they use now.

        • Pete – TFB Writer

          Truth

    • CharliesChocolateFactory

      You mean Tenefer? AKA the European name for QPQ Melonite (salt bath, I think, not plasmic/gas).

      Don’t you hate it when you get plasmic gas? Underwear is expensive.

      • Nashvone

        The European Tenifer process creates Cyanide as a byproduct.

  • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

    So if Glock just keeps combining some (but not all) of the features everyone wants in different configurations they can keep selling people that already own 20 Glocks even more Glocks.

    Heaven forbid they would combine all those features into one gun. That would mean if they wanted to release a new product afterward that they would have to actually innovate.

    • john huscio

      You trade up to the next gen…….sorta like leasing a car.

      • valorius

        Except unlike cars, 95% of us will never actually wear out a quality handgun.

        • roguetechie

          Not that it matters anyway because Glock will never build a rotating barrel locked short recoil pistol optimized for the first generation of the SCHV pistol rounds which are the future.

          • valorius

            You really like those. 🙂

          • roguetechie

            I do indeed, but so do high end pistol makers!

            A substantial number of pistols using variations on this system have been released in the last decade. And they’re very nice and well liked guns!

          • valorius

            My favorite is still the art deco Savage. I had one for about a decade (my god son’s father gave it to me when he passed away to safeguard til his boy was of age) worked great, and was a really nice looking pistol. Obviously it’s his son’s most cherished possession.

          • roguetechie

            My holy grail gun is an American made gsh-18 Glock killer

          • valorius

            Gotta admit that’s a pretty space age looking gun.

          • roguetechie

            What I find really attractive about it is that it could be produced dirt cheap even using very high quality materials!

            It’s basically just a bunch of stampings with pretty minor amounts of welding and finish machining encased in polymer!

            Throw in the 18 round true double stack magazines and you have a winner in 9mm…

            Make a similar gun in 7.92 VBR and you get 20 rounds per magazine, and if you went to a 7mm Penna and you’re now at 22+ per flush fit magazine!

            You’d get very nice pistols very cheap

        • john huscio

          If your satisfied with what you got, you can keel what you got.

    • FOC Ewe

      I’d love a G41 in 10mm w/o fingergrooves. Alas, I must do it myself. At least I can shoot lead with my KKM barrel….

      • Uncle Rico

        Don’t hamstring your beautiful 10mm Auto with a conventional barrel. Jacket that $%!7 up and pump it through some high-speed polygonal rifling. It makes it go faster, better gas seal and whatnot.

        How much you wanna bet I can throw a football over them mountains?

        –Uncle Rico

        • valorius

          The BBTI website did a study on polygonal rifling and found it made almost no difference. For what it’s worth.

      • Preacher

        Yeah – cus´shooting lead did not proofed to be the most dumbest the shooting community can do to the nature? All ex-military grounds other europe are because if you wanna clean them up properly, you need to take away many billions of tons of soil and bring them into special facilitys. Guess what: This got some impact aswell :p

        It´s the 21st Century, for derpness´es is no space anymore. You need to trade of: Fun sport without an envoirementel impact like this – or your children, maybe even you, will not see the shooting sport to survive in the next 50 years with the “freedom of regulations” like now.

        Who know´s, maybe they will create new taxes to compansate the impacts, regulate it that no soil is allowed to be harmed, which means you are only allowed to shoot indoors – so by this, long range will get quite impossible.

        Who knows …
        I would go with idea to spend the money on proper ammo – and learn to skill out the gun bevor I think lead is necessary for the needed precision.
        By this, I can sleep well knowing I am not the consumer supporting “the bad parts” of my industry.

  • Treiz

    “Dear Glock: You had me at ‘no finger groves’. Call me.”
    This, finally a Glock I might actually buy again.

    • FOC Ewe

      Dremel them off.

      • Independent George

        You void the warranty when you do that.

        • GlockismyLawyer

          Since when did anyone ever use a Glock warranty? Seriously, been a gunsmith/armorer/glock stocking dealer for over 7 years and I’ve only seen three with issues (one with a double-charged handload and two with a bunch of crappy aftermarket garbage on them).

          • valorius

            Weren’t the earlier gens well known for losing their front sight?

          • Ralph Napier

            Yeah, like… 18 years ago…

          • valorius

            I don’t think it was that long ago, but the point stands. 🙂

      • Treiz

        No, I’m not going to pay good money for a work-in-progress pistol. >.>

  • Regulus

    Is there an ambi slide release?

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      Yes.

      • Super

        Maybe an ambi mag release(a man can dream)?

        • Pete – TFB Writer

          Nope.

      • Sledgecrowbar

        Whoa.

      • JSmath

        But is it going to be one of those new “ambi slide release that only works on one side because technically do don’t believe in releasing the slide with the release therefor we call them just slide stops now” kinda pieces of crap? I know it won’t be, but the new trend has been worth making fun of.

        • Pete – TFB Writer

          For the record, I still use the slide release as intended.

  • USMC03Vet

    I’m sure Apple is furious over Glock imitating their patent pending lack of new features but always new models business model.

  • SP mclaughlin

    I’m more curious as to why they censored out the background.
    Must be some ultra-operator tabletop fighting ISIS.

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      17M being used in the battle for Mars with the alien race from…

      I’ve said too much.

    • john huscio

      I thought it was just an outdoor table with fancy tiling on it.

  • PersonCommenting

    If the glock had the grip of a ppq m2 then it would be perfect.

    • RickH

      After all these years, ANY change in the grip configuration/angle would be appreciated. Same goes for that dinky trigger guard.

      • StarPoop

        While I agree with the trigger guard, imagine the litany of worthless holsters after that change. And grip angle? Learn to shoot it and you wont want anything else with an 18.5 degree angle again. Lock your wrists, shoot from behind the gun, not under it.

        And stick your butt out and bow your knees awkwardly. Doesn’t help shooting at all but it’s quite humorous.

        • Notbuying it

          The only gun made where fanboys say “learn to shoot it”. It is never the poorly designed ergos, it is the shooter who must acquire the holy way of the Block according to you folks. Question is, why force your style of shooting for a mediocre pistol, when many other available pistols will point naturally with the shooting style you already possess. I still have not figured out what Glock does that no other pistol maker can, other than nearly give away their innovationless since designed pistols to LE to make for a stellar marketing campaign. If Glock does not innovate and come out with something new, they will be the next Colt or Remington. Relying one design that is barley updated and reputation can not carry a firearm maker through the long term future.

          • roguetechie

            Gaston’s kids are too busy burning through every cent daddy left them on legal fees

          • john huscio

            Like I’ve said a billion times……everyone seems to underestimate how ounces and centimetres add up in a gun you’ll be carrying all day everyday. Glock set the bar for what the size/weight of a polymer pistol should be and no one else has made a double stack service pistol that was lighter or thinner in the 30+ years glocks been on the market. If someone finally come out with a reliable accurate doublestack service pistol that’s slimmer and lighter with the same or increased firepower in a common service cartridge, then maybe glock will have something real to worry about.

            That And the mountain of aftermarket stuff can’t hurt.

          • Notbuying it

            After market stuff? But why does perfection need so much after market stuff? Glock guys remind me of Ruger 10/22 people in this regard. The aftermarket in both cases proves that the firearms are not that hot from the factory or there would not be an industry that thrives on selling improvements. Ounces add up? Pretty much every competitor can compete with Glock on weight and come close enough in size as to make it irrelevant. It isn’t as if Glocks are made from unobtainium that nobody else has. At the end of the day, Glock makes a decent serviceable pistol that isn’t anything special when there exists many more compleing options. Much in the same was as the Remington 700 is decent but not really a standout in the market anymore. By the way, your argument of “nobody has bested them yet why change” was used by Remington and Colt fans for many years. Stagnation is good for nobody.

          • john huscio

            I’ve done the grand brand pistol tour, owned sigs, hks, walther, cz, beretta……came full circle back to glock (sold everything except for the HKs. The p30sk LEM which I consider the best subcompact on the market and the VP9 I gave to my mom) because all of those pistols had one or more things i didn’t like about them that glocks didn’t have.

          • StarPoop

            While Glock *should* innovate, they haven’t really had to yet because nobody else has checked all the boxes they have, and done it better. I’m actually surprised no one has yet, as yes, the Glock design is becoming a bit dated.

            Many have tried, and may have done better in one particular area or another, but none have really gotten every checkbox the way Glock has.

            I love Glocks and own them, but they are not my favorite pistol. That honor goes to the Arsenal Strike One, but I don’t carry that gun every day because it’s big, heavy and doesn’t conceal well at all. But for shootability it feels like cheating when running through a stressed shooting drill. It’s like I almost don’t even have to try to make hits. It’s a shame International Firearm Corp screwed the pooch on their imports, so we’ll see what Primary Arms Group/Salient comes up with soon.

            Either way, the Glock “method” of shooting isn’t exactly new, as seen in guns like Luger or even the 1911A1s with the curved mainspring housing-sure the front angle is different but the back angle is pretty darn close with that curved MS. The Strike has a more conventional grip angle, and because I shoot from behind the gun, I don’t notice much difference between the Glock or the Strike, though with the Glock I am a bit faster on the initial (1st) reactionary shot.

      • john huscio

        They did change the grip with the Gen 4. Smaller circumference did wonders for grip comfort, at least for me.

  • PersonCommenting

    Why are glocks so darn expensive? I mean all their competition is sub 500 and glock is 500-600 in the 17 and 19 models. Why? Do they think charging more will make the consumer think they are better?

    • BillyOblivion

      So they can “discount” them to police departments.

      That and the Pegasus tears they use to harden the polymers.

      • anonymous

        > That and the Pegasus tears they use to harden the polymers.

        Not just the tears of any Pegasus, but a Pegasus-Unicorn hybrid!

        • BillyOblivion

          Pervert.

    • john huscio

      Gen 3s are sub 500, once the gen5s are out, the 4s will be sub 500 as well.

    • 22winmag

      Picked up a “used” unfired Gen4 G20 for $450 a few weeks ago (at a gun shop no less).

      Otherwise, I would have picked up a Witness P 10mm.

      • stuckout youdid

        Poor choice on your part. Should have got the Cz derivative. You forwent one of the pistols with the most soul for one of the soul less

        • john huscio

          Pistols don’t have “soul”…..except for whatever James Brown carried…..

          • Stuckout youdid

            That just tells me you don’t appreciate guns for the art that they are. Must be a tacticool “muh ar and G19 rowland special” operator type.

          • john huscio

            Nah, I just don’t talismanize my tools (however much I cherish them).

    • Andrew

      Price is not a result of manufacturing cost but of demand. Simply put, Glock is the most popular pistol so buyers are willing to pay more. Less desirable products have to sell for less to attract buyers.

      • PersonCommenting

        I think it’s a marketing tactic. They think they are the best so they set their price accordingly. They are the Apple of guns.

        • The face palm

          They literally are the Apple of guns. In the same way Apple gave tons of computers to tons of schools in the early 90’s to hook a user/customer base, Glock same as gave away tons of their pistols to tons of LE during the same time period to achieve the same goals as Apple. What other industry dominating companies of any industry are so dependent on the “cool me too factor” than Glock and Apple? Have you seen some of the ignorant money these people put into Glocks? Rowland special lol? Yet if these idiots loaded or shot uspsa open, they would realize 9mm not loaded to major pf levels is next to useless with a comp as most commercial spec loads do not make enough gas to do much of anything through a comp.

          • PersonCommenting

            Lol I was a benefactor of those colorful macs.

    • NachoCheeseIsNOTYOCHEESE

      They make their own machining tools from scratch to ensure consistency. How much is your life worth anyway? Hi-Point value?

      For what it is, it’s a bargain.

      • roguetechie

        I don’t even know where to start here, other than to say that if you buy that line of marketing BS I have a bridge to sell you…

        • NochoBridgeIsNOTYOURBRIDGE

          Call it what you want, until you (yes, you too can…) take a tour of the Smyrna facility, and see it with your own eyes. Machines making machines…er..I mean tooling.

          You don’t know me from Adam so you don’t have to believe me, but I shake my head in scorn at your unfounded claim. Next time you’re in GA, go schedule a tour and see it for yourself. It ain’t BS.

          You know, a lot of firearm manufacturers make their own tooling on site. Their products tend to cost a bit more than a Hi-Point, SCCY or Phoenix.

          • roguetechie

            What you fail to understand is that I make my own tools and machines with which I then make specific items!

            There’s absolutely nothing unique at all about this!

            I’m just a dedicated hobbyist and I do it… Why you’d think that this is some Teutonic inspiration handed down directly from the ghost of Paul Mauser is beyond me!

          • FarmerB

            And I’m not even sure it’s a good idea. It’s much more prudent to buy best in class from people that are doing it for a living. I won’t even go into the business side of it (bad idea) but even for product quality, I’d want stuff from the best I could get, and also have the flexibility to pick products from other suppliers if they develop a new innovative feature (and which I could not use in house because of patent issues). It’s almost like the NYPD making their own pistols and patrol cars.

          • roguetechie

            Ok, so there are these people called tool and die makers…

            They are the professionals you speak of, and even pretty small manufacturers will often have one on staff. They make really decent money, and I’m relatively sure Glock employees way more than one or even ten!

            If you’re talking about my situation, I own dusty tomes like the tool and die makers bible and etc / learned to follow recipes when I was 7.

            Does it make me a tool and die maker?

            Certainly not LOL!

            But kinda every once in awhile if you squint just right I can appear to be a fair approximation of one…

            My willingness to get crazy with the DIY cheese whiz has also resulted in me having access to types of tooling and a sheer variety of tools to do a given task with that I otherwise would not have. While many of my tools are temperamental and not quite up to what I could just whip out the AmEx Black card for if I had one, we’re not talking a small or medium amount of savings here when it comes to pricing out the full retail value and square footage I’d need to do it the store bought way!

            It’s not a $5:$1 ratio or even a $10:$1 ratio…

            There are several things where what I spent versus what it would cost retail blow away the $50:$1 mark by wide margins!

            One tool I’m plodding my way through building now will actually be comfortably beyond the $200:$1 range, but a little below the $500:$1 range.

            Certainly worth it when your net worth is well below the cost of purchasing your new tool retail!

          • FarmerB

            > Ok, so there are these people called tool and die makers.
            Yes, my brother-in-law is one.
            I was talking about things like plastic injecting machines and glue applicators for box making 🙂

            The thing you are ignoring is labor costs and time. Running a business, I would rather buy a widget for $10 when I need them, rather than hire a guy full-time who can make them for $5 each. That way, if my business grows or contracts, I can buy what I need in proportion to my revenue rather than have a fixed cost I cannot modify (ok, you might be able to put people on part-time but that’s not available in all locations).

          • roguetechie

            Yeah, you buy box making machines etc LOL… Funny thing is I have a buddy who works for a company that makes very sophisticated box making machines haha!

            And when it comes to the making large machines and widgets part we’re definitely on the same page… When I build a machine I almost universally cheat by finding used or dead machines that I can cannibalize or modify to make my tools out of. I also am very careful when I do this making sure that the seller or the interwebs has documentation for the machines so I don’t get stuck making widgets I could just buy.

            My use case hasn’t turned into a full fledged business yet, and I’m extremely space limited in the amount of room I have in my workspace for new anything.

            There are times though when just making a machine suited exactly to your situation is the way to go, and this involves the most boring kind of math… Accounting!

            Honestly though the original guy who is talking about Glock making it’s own machines… I am personally all but 100% certain what he was seeing is more in line with making the stuff you need to mass produce single products and or something even more mundane and common to any business which mass produces stuff…

            This was my original point actually, I’m pretty confident that he has bought hype rather than seeing something like someone cranking up their own tool foundry to support a business which makes cheap pistols!

      • PersonCommenting

        They arent competitive with the market. Smith & Wesson M&P could do anything a glock can and its about 100 bucks cheaper. I dont even own an M&P I own a glock but it was before the big price jumps happened.

    • Nashvone

      Unless gluttony is your favorite sin, you’ll never have to buy another one so they get all the money they can on a one time purchase.

      • PersonCommenting

        I could say that about a pistols. Glock doesnt own the longevity market.

    • lurpy

      I haven’t noticed a vast different. Springfield XD full size seems to be ~$500-550 around here new, about the same as Glocks. And the smaller models are a good deal; I got my 43 for $420 out the door. I might have been able to get a comparable new carry gun for $50 less than that, but not one I liked as much, and there are plenty of guns that cost far more. You pay a bit for the brand but IMO it’s not as excessive as you’re suggesting.

      • PersonCommenting

        100 dollar price difference is what i see with their guns typically. Id say the 43 is the best value gun they have. It beats every other gun in it’s class for quality, price and features. Same with the 42. Only knock against it by some is the size.

  • CyberSamurai

    Glocks, the Pringles of guns, you can never just have one.

  • BattleshipGrey

    I’ve never minded the finger grooves, but I’d like to give this version a try.

  • LGonDISQUS

    I really wanna see the insides to see whether they made it an independent modula frame, a-la the requirement for the military contract they failed to win.

    Plus, who doesn’t like a peek under the skirt?

    • gyrfalcon

      Ditto!

  • 22winmag

    M for Millenials?

    Better duck and cover!

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      Love it.

  • Sledgecrowbar

    With one simple change, the bullnose slide, Glock effectively brought their styling into the current era. No, it’s not a complex balance of angles and cutouts like the USP or M&P, et al, but I think it works. They still have the “hammer-simple” style that belies the design of 37 parts that works like a Civic and is made function first, form a distant second, but the bullnose really helps.

    • Sledgecrowbar

      I don’t really get the “M”, though. Magpul did this with their current line of mags to unify the “third generation” of design revisions even though they were adding firearm/caliber mags that had no previous generation, but I think Glock has been going long enough that they should just call this Gen 5. It’s not a detractor to say that Gen 4 hasn’t been around that long, this is a Gen 4 with market-requested superficial features.

    • olivehead

      Why isn’t the nose of the frame beveled to match the slide at that point?

  • Thomas Bennett
  • Justanotherokie

    A 19M is for me.

  • Hoplopfheil

    That’s pretty much exactly what I want a GLOCK to be.

  • Bucho4Prez
  • Robert Kruckman

    This glock looks like the first 2 pin models. Wonder why?

  • Wow

    Omg how new and innovative! I mean, it is like nothing I have ever seen! The most advanced piece of hardware out bar none.

    • BraveNewWhirled

      I wanna know how they got it to radiate a mosaic like that.

  • El Duderino

    “We made the texture 6.2% more aggressive, and the black plastic is now a very, very, very dark gray. It’s a completely different model.”

    Glockbois rejoice!

    • Lyman Hall

      NEWS RELEASE: GLOCK is opening a Factory Store and range in Highlands Ranch, Colorado (look up the National Geographic picture). The Factory Outlet will be beige with off-cream trim, and the range will be cream with off-biege trim, creating an exciting contrast for sophisticated shoppers!

      Yes, GLOCK is reliable and functions perfectly in nearly every way. But so do many other handguns, and those are not…ugly. Seriously, I picked up a Taurus PT111 G2 last month, and IT’S not as ugly as a GLOCK brand GLOCK.
      Hi Point being a notable exception, of course.

      • Anonymoose

        And they won’t be able to sell 17s or 34s there. lol

  • valorius

    Looks exactly the same to me. IOW, ugly…and still no manual safety. I have no use for this.

  • Jeffrey Witkin

    They went back to two take down pins… You guys have photos of the guts?

  • Bigbigpoopi

    Now chop the grip to a subcompact and have a budget Streetmaster.

  • Sal F

    So we’re on Gen 5, and they still couldn’t put a real M1913 (Picatinny) rail on it or halfway decent rear slide serration (something angled – like 99.9% of people prefer). Seriously, are they saving it so they can roll out the next gen in 2 years? I’m not going to get into the brand debate, so I’ll leave the Glock User out of this, but the Glock CUSTOMER is one of the biggest suckers on Earth? At this point, aside from the world-wide number of filled spare parts bins/familiarity, Glock doesn’t offer anything meaningful that a dozen other guns don’t too – and lacks much that many others have.

    I don’t know, maybe Gaston doesn’t want to add any of the real (much need) improvements, because that would belie that Perfection™, isnt.

    • john huscio

      Unless it’s a nightstand gun, i doubt a whole lot of regular non-LE folks make any kind of regular use of rails on a pistol.

      • Sal F

        1. You might be right, somestimes, but I can tell you, I have seen a lot more people starting to appreciate the use of lights/lasers on a carry gun. Plus, Glock’s biggest market is LE.

        2. Whether it gets used or not, M1913 rails are the standard now (for some years in fact). The gun already has a rail, and the had to make all new molds for the grip anyway. Not converting the rail to M1913 standard (to alow much wide use of accessories) is either pure laziness, or a cheap marketing ploy for the next gen. Either way, a slap to the consumer.

    • Rnasser Rnasser

      Everything I’ve tried works perfectly witht he Glock rail, and it is less obtrusive than the Picatinny grater, much better IMO.
      The Glock serrations are fine for me and everyone I know, don’t know where your 99.9% pecent comes from…

  • john huscio

    Strongly leaning towards trading in my gen 3 19 for a gen5/19M when they filter out.

  • Roguewriter

    Looking forward to the Glock 20m-sf now. Heh.

  • HSR47

    I’m not sure I like the idea of a Glock without finger grooves; I handled a Gen 2 Glock 19 recently, and the grip didn’t provide enough traction to keep my hand on it properly — my hand kept sliding down. The cutout in the frontstrap (as seen above) also seemed like it could be on the uncomfortable side at the range.

    Maybe I’m weird, but I find that the finger grooves on most pistols, including Glock pistols, tend to fit my hands very well, and help me key my hands in a high grip.

  • JSIII

    I will always take the 17/19M over any gen 5 gun if the Gen 5’s don’t include the upgraded finish. The current gen 4 finish just sucks when compared to the original Gen 3 finish.

  • Sgt. Stedenko

    That’s some terrible photoshopping right there.

  • mazkact

    Look ma, no finger grooves.

  • olivehead

    So no one has any thoughts about the nose of the slide being beveled but not the frame? Or is it in fact beveled and it’s just an optical illusion in the pictures?

  • Lyle

    I like the finger grooves on the 20SF. I assume I’d like them on the other models as well. Someone must have liked them, else they’d not have made them.

    I suspect this has been going the way of the “Pietta tail” on their Colt repro revolvers– It became fashionable to complain about it. The manufacturer eventually removes the “tail” but the fact is that many of the original Colts had it too. Oops.

    One gun writer complains about the finger grooves, others pick up on it, and eventually it becomes near impossible to write about Glocks without chiming in and bitching about the finger grooves as a way of establishing your bona fides.

    Meanwhile; millions of people are using finger grooved Glocks without complaint, and many like them. Different people have different hands. You can’t say it’s a generally bad feature nor a generally good one. I like the Pietta Tail too, but the gun writers ruined it.

    What’s next on the chopping block?

  • I know.

    Would it have killed ya to flip that damn thing over for a pic?!?!

    • BraveNewWhirled

      Just hold it up to a mirror will that make ya feel better? 🙂

  • Secundius

    I wish take Glock would produce that G-21 .45apc Revolver featured in “deviantART”…

  • RPK

    Even getting excited over a “new” Glock is utterly ridiculous. It is the SAME firearm with some minor upgrades. A terd with flies landing on it, is STILL just a terd below the surface. The same for a Glock, Generation M. Same terd. Minor changes.

  • Leadsled

    Can anyone guess why Glock put finger grooves on their pistols after initially having none?

    • Secundius

      Make it easier to hold when your hands are either Wet or Sweaty, I guess…

  • Sean

    Glock’s catalog is so full of unnecessary generations and improved models that is just getting confusing.

    As of today you have the standard Gen 3 and Gen 4 available. A Glock 17/19 Gen4 FS was added to catalogs a few weeks ago. They are essentially a 17 or 19 Gen 4 with front serrations, steel sights, an extended slide stop, and extended magazine catch.

    I think that the 17M is a guinea pig that will eventually evolve into a “Gen 5” line. The Gen 3 will be made forever to make it Cali friendly, so maybe we will see Glock offering a Gen 3 and Gen 5 in the near future. Or maybe the Gen 5 will be called the xxM because they don’t want a 4 missing between Gen 3 and Gen 5.

    We are still praying for no finger grooves and ambi slide stop.

    • Secundius

      This is the Reason that I “Don’t” own a Glock!/? Confusion…

  • Corey Dark

    I want Glock to hurry up and release the M series in the 22, 23 and 24 models. Also I wish the Australian Defence Force would replace their old Browning Hi Power MkIII with these new Glock M models. The UK, New Zealand, US Marines along with the Danish and many other allies. It would fit in nicely due to all but 1 police and federal agencies using Glocks and even the Royal Australian Air Force fighter pilots use the Glock 19s . Having a common side arm with NZ would be very beneficial especially when in the battle field.

  • Sheepdogand M109Shooter

    my cheap always firing, drywall has never failed me, misfired or stovepiped…. will pack it over the 1911’s, Rugers, Wilson’s, XMD’s, 357 trooper. 17,19,21,26,34 they all work no mods