BREAKING: USCCA Has Been Disinvited To NRA Annual Meeting

In a press release issued yesterday, it was revealed that the USCCA has been disinvited to NRA Annual Meeting. The press release comes less than two weeks from the show and cited no reason other than s wild guess as to the NRA‘s motives. USCCA stated in the press release that their best guess is the move was a “strategic business maneuver” because the NRA recognizes the USCCA as a frontrunner in concealed carry related matters.

The USCCA also stated that they feel that the NRA seeing them as more of a competitor instead of as a partner may have also led them to the decision of disinviting them to the Annual Meeting. There was also mention of USCCA being disinvited to the 2018 Great American Outdoor Show due to “concerns regarding its [USCCA] programs”.

The Firearm Blog has reached out to the NRA for more information and comment about why the US Concealed Carry Association has been booted from both events and has not received a comment or a response at this time. We will update this article as we learn more provided the NRA returns our comment request.

You can read the USCCA press release below or on their website by clicking HERE.

West Bend, WI – The United States Concealed Carry Association (USCCA) today announced that the National Rifle Association (NRA) has disinvited the organization from its 2017 Annual Meetings & Exhibits and the 2018 Great American Outdoor Show because of “concerns regarding its programs.”

The move shocked the leadership of the USCCA because they were given less than two weeks notice that they had been banned from the annual show, even though they had attended for the past several years.  This decision also came as a surprise because over the past two months, the leadership from the NRA and the USCCA met twice to discuss the shared goal of the two organizations in support of the Second Amendment.

In a note sent to millions of USCCA supporters, Founder and President Tim Schmidt said that even though the NRA might be fearing the competition, USCCA will still support the NRA’s efforts to protect the Second Amendment.

“I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a little perplexed myself.  The truth is, I don’t really know the motive behind the NRA’s move. I mean, the USCCA has ALWAYS had a great relationship with the NRA. And the way I see it, we’re all in this together,” Schmidt said.

“If I had to guess, I’d say that perhaps this is a strategic business maneuver,” added Schmidt. “I mean, the concealed carry market has really exploded over the last decade — just look at how long the USCCA has been around! Maybe the NRA recognizes us as the frontrunner in providing the absolute best education, training and self-defense insurance in the industry. And perhaps they’re starting to see us less as a partner and more as a competitor.”

“As much as it sort of stings that we got ‘booted’ from the NRA Show, I believe that this sort of competition is a good, healthy and even exciting thing — especially from a goliath like the NRA.”

“Whether or not the NRA supports us, we will continue to support them,” Schmidt said. “We will continue to believe in their mission. We will continue to respect the historical significance of what they have done to preserve and protect our God-given rights. And we will always support their legislative and lobbying efforts. I personally will continue to donate to the NRA as a proud Lifetime Member.”

About The USCCA: 
The U.S. Concealed Carry Association (USCCA) provides education, training and self-defense insurance to responsible American gun owners. Headquartered in West Bend, WI, the USCCA is the largest and fastest-growing, member-owned, private association whose sole focus is the responsibly armed American.



Patrick R

Patrick is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and TFBTV Host. He is a verified gun nerd. With a lifelong passion for shooting, he has a love for all types of firearms, especially overly modified plastic handguns, precision rifles, and AR based things. You can follow Patrick on Instagram @tfbpatrick, Facebook, or contact him by email at TFBpatrick@gmail.com.

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • 22winmag

    I ran away when I read USCCA’s terms and positively ridiculous “insurance” clauses.

    The “Tactical Tim” stuff and the money-making theme of the organization didn’t bother me nearly as much.

    • Evo Shift

      The NRA and the USCCA need to step in and free this innocent man unconstitutionally sentenced to 10-20 years this week. Outrageous !!!!!
      http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pennsylvania/Mark-Storms-Robert-Braxton-Montgomery-County-shooting-keystone-church-sentencing.html

    • Evo Shift

      The NRA and the USCCA need to step in and free this innocent man unconstitutionally sentenced to 10-20 years this week. Outrageous !!!!!
      Google “Mark Storms sentenced Montgomery County” since my link was flagged.

      • Government Mule

        Not sure how the NRA and USCCA would “step in and free” someone in jail or prison?

        • John Wisch

          They HIRE high quality specialist attorneys to get an appeal going then apply for his release until the next trial is heard and decided. That’s how.

        • Rap Scallion

          Have ever bothered to get past the hype and sit down and talk to a lawyer who specializes in firearm litigation??????? Have you ever heard the term “Do not talk to anyone until you have an attorney present”……….You may go to jail after a shooting but you will proally get out IF you have a Firearms Lawyer!

      • Lyman Hall

        Yeah. Plan a jailbreak. 3:10 to Yuma (the book) has a great plan, maybe you can get it going?

      • Jason Adams

        You can’t shoot people for throwing a punch. Even in the old west they would have hung him for shooting an unarmed man. An armed society needs to be a polite society. Now if he was being beaten badly and feared for his life that would be different. I agree with the DA on that, he brought a gun to a fist fight.

        • Wow!

          There are situations where a punch can justify a shot, just as there are many cases where shooting someone in the back is justifiable, but in a situation among many other church-members, certainly not.

          Going back to the Evo’s comment, the NRA can’t waste it’s money on a case by case basis. They would lose all monetary power instantly. They focus on what we as individuals have difficulty influencing, and that is the state and federal level. Local level problems is really up to us to be up to date on who we elect and our presence in local politics. People are gung ho about sending letters to congressmen, but the reality is that congressmen never read those letters, a secretary reads them and summarizes the amounts of yes and no in the pile. While you should send letters to congressmen anyways, letters to local politicians has a much bigger effect since you as an individual hold a much higher amount of representative power in your city or district than on the state or federal level.

        • Dietrich

          I’m old and frail from major heart surgery. Probably couldn’t absorb a hard punch from a strong young man. No longer have the strength or elasticity to fight. Shouldn’t I be able to reach for a pistol if attacked?

          • NiteGoat

            In the same exact boat as you. If I am struck in a the head, neck, chest, or abdomen, back, etc, it will most likely kill me. Due to my disabilities, I can no longer run or flee.

          • Jason Adams

            Sorry to hear that and nobody should take a beating without some recourse but the guy they convicted looked about thirty and in a church full of innocent bystanders. That was just plain stupid and the reason people want to take our rights from us. We need to send a message that you can’t just shoot up the town like an idiot or there will be consequences.

    • Edeco

      Tried to look into it, their website is cheesy garbage. No pity for the slobs.

    • Tom Currie

      If you didn’t like the USCCA insurance terms, you’re going to absolutely LOVE the new insurance program from the NRA
      https://d3rmvquxnxa9wt.cloudfront.net/pdf/guides/USCCA_CarryGuard_ComparisonChart.pdf

  • Zundfolge

    My guess is that the NRA will soon be offering “CCW Insurance”.

    • 22winmag

      Maybe the NRA will offer better/clearer terms. What I read on USCCA made it clear that a “not guilty” jury verdict was required for payout. Can you imagine that? No copping a plea to lesser charges, not hung jury, no “guilty verdict” even though civil courts may see otherwise. Trials can take many years and VERY FEW ever end in “not guilty” verdicts.

      • Cal S.

        Payout for what, lost wages? Their own terms and testimonials (which I have read and have no reason to doubt without proof) have shown that they pay up front for retainers before a plea is even entered or charged.

        I’m actually curious where you get your stats from, because most blameless parties in self-defense never face charges, and fewer still, probably in the very low 10ths of percents are ever falsely convicted.

        So, even if what you say is correct, then I still agree with it. They cover legitimate self-defense, in which their client is presumably blameless, not fight escalation gone wrong or “he looked at me wrong so I ‘feared for my life'”.

        • Gun Fu Guru

          #1. There is no such thing a “blameless party” in a self-defense shooting. Your stating that shows that you do not fundamentally understand the basic legal concepts that most high school students know. If you shot at someone, then you committed a criminal offense. The legal system allows someone charged for that offense to state that he did so only in a justified manner. That doesn’t stop you from facing those charges. However, an ethical prosecutor will not file those charges if there is actual evidence to reasonably substantiate any possible claim of justification. A “blameless” party would be someone not even remotely involved in the process.

          #2. USCCA will pay for what they say up front. However, it reserves the right to determine for itself what constitutes an “act of self defense: means the act of defending one’s person or others
          by the actual or threatened use of a firearm, or other weapon, that is
          ‘legally possessed.'”
          If they determine that it is not valid, then they will drop you fast. (They also do not cover any incident involving any use of “intoxicating substances.”) If they think you have a shot and you lose in court, they will drop all coverage after the guilty plea is entered. Please feel free to consult USCCA’s benefits page: https://tinyurl . com/USCCAbenefits.

          • Mystick

            That is not the case. It is only a criminal matter if a grand jury decides it is or if the AG decides to prosecute based on evidence.

          • Gun Fu Guru

            If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? Shootings are still criminal actions regardless of whether or not the action is prosecuted. The justifiability of it is merely an affirmative defense to preclude legal action by a prosecutor.

          • Dakota Raduenz

            No.
            Innocent until proven guilty. That means until PROVEN, I have committed no criminal act.

            If I stab someone in the chest because I don’t like the way they are breathing, is that a criminal offense?
            Now I tell you I am a paramedic, and they needed a needle decompression in order to relieve pressure on the lung- now what? CONTEXT is what you are missing, although otherwise I see what you mean. But in a proper, legal context- it isn’t a criminal offense because the legislature has exempted certain contexts from the same. So me as a paramedic, covered by Ohio/Indiana scope of practice allowing proper needle decompression (or Castle, or SYG in self-defense)

            If you are not a lawyer, you might consult one…

          • Lyman Hall

            There is a difference between calling something a criminal matter and calling a person a criminal actor. Try not to build straw men.

          • Dakota Raduenz

            He actually said criminal offense. And spoke about how once you are charged with that criminal offense, you may THEN mount the self defense argument. That speaks to a misunderstanding of how our legal system works.

            I don’t care for logical fallacies or that accusation. Let me try to show what I mean, genuinely.

            Gun Fu Guru “If you shot at someone, then you committed a criminal offense.”
            We were speaking of self defense and he made this statement, unqualified. You shot, it is a criminal matter, period. You may then argue your innocence. I find that wrong.

            While I was being a smart aleck “didn’t like the way they were breathing,” it was not intended as a straw man and I believe his statement falls apart without it, so I will leave my example out.

          • jonp

            That’s interesting and I didn’t think of it like that. This is no different from a cop using a firearm to stop a crime and someone else doing it and being charged and convicted. Same act, different results

          • DaveGinOly

            Wrong. A justifiable use of lethal force is by definition “lawful.” A crime only occurs when an innocent party is injured. A prosecution takes place when it is not clear that the use of force was lawful, with onus for that proof on the state. There are frequent uses of lethal force in which no prosecution results, because the issues are prima facie clear enough that a prosecution (a claim that a crime – injury to an innocent party – was committed) can’t be sustained, or if there is insufficient evidence to prove criminality. There’s a difference between a “homicide” and a “murder.” A homicide occurs whenever a person is intentionally killed by another. But it’s only murder if it was done unlawfully. Only the latter is always a crime.

          • Jason Bourne

            Go back to Google and try again. Laws are not laws because a judge says so… Basic civics dude. Here are some new search terms for you “malum in se” and “malum prohibitum”

          • LibertyDwells

            You are so desperate to defend your perception of reality you can’t remember the topic of the discussion. Endlessly amusing.

          • jonp

            Don’t feed the Troll

          • Steven White

            Where have you been over the last 8 years. Judges have been legislating from the bench and continue to do so.

          • Jason Bourne

            Only because idiots like you accept it.

          • Steven White

            When was the last time you jumped in a Supreme Court Justice’s face in defiance of their legislating from the bench? You’re a real piece of work with your fake name and blank photo. Tell us all you’ve done to stop judges from interpreting laws for the benefit of their own ideology. Guys like you, with your limited vocabulary, always defend their argument with name calling.

          • Jason Bourne

            Umm actually you started name calling. Go practice safe sex and screw yourself

          • Steven White

            Please copy and paste where I called you any name BEFORE or AFTER you called me an Idiot…Now you’re just being foul mouthed, again with the limited vocabulary.

          • Steven White

            Here’s the only message I directed to you before you started name calling. “Where have you been over the last 8 years. Judges have been legislating from the bench and continue to do so.” No name calling there. Just a question. So, on top of everything else you have proven yourself a Liar also.

          • Lyman Hall

            Wow. So, how is it that guys get arrested and jailed, and then charges are dropped? They was locked up for not-a-criminal-matter?
            If cops are involved, it’s a criminal matter.

          • DaveGinOly

            They’re temporarily detained pending a preliminary investigation. A person can be locked up and the investigation can reveal the use of lethal force was lawful, and the individual can be released and never charged. In such situations, the use of force (if actually lawful) was never criminal, and it doesn’t become so just because the police investigate it. When the police investigate something, it’s a “police matter.” The investigation tries to determine if the matter was or may have been “criminal” or not.

          • Cal S.

            Wow, that’s a lot of needless salt right there. Why are you so emotional about this? It’s not like I personally murdered Kalashnikov…

            ‘Blameless’ in the sense that you’re the victim and ultimately did nothing wrong. ‘Blameless’ in the sense that you didn’t start or escalate the situation. So I don’t have a law dictionary open in front of me like you do, the point was still there.

            Yes, they will drop you if they sense something is rotten in Denmark like you’re drunk with a gun (in many states that alone is illegal). Please, show me in their nearest competitor’s insurance statements where you’re allowed to kill someone in a drunken rage and they’ll just give you a “These things happen” wink and hand you a blank check. I doubt USCCA wants to be known as the guys that knowingly cover murderers or manslaughterers.

            Any insurance company has the right to make sure things are on the up and up.

          • Jason Bourne

            Good to see killing someone leaves you blameless, in your opinion. I would love to prosecute you after a self defense shooting. I would make short work of you. Basically you are saying they deserved to die. A jury would LOVE that… I understand what you are trying to say: if it’s him or me then I will survive and he won’t. I get that. But at the same time legally you have committed a Justified murder. Been to law school, etc. It is really silly but the fact of the matter is self defense is still homicide, whether it rises to the level of murder 1,2, or 3 is a question of both precedent and in the Judge/Jury’s hands. Oh and BTW take you I don’t offer a warning shot signs down. Great prosecution fodder right there

          • mak13

            Wow, this is like real court, where the reality of the situation is lost in a lot of self-indulgent technical legalese. Where you can’t have a simple conversation as though you you were in a public forum, like an internet comment page.

          • Jason Bourne

            I guess you are right. You will never win an argument on a public forum. Instead you have to deal with the smart butts like you…

          • LibertyDwells

            I almost always “win” debates, largely by recognizing who the “smart butts”, ie, the ignorant, the Flamers, the Trolls, etc…like you…are and dismissing them after revealing them.

          • Ced Truz

            Anyone who declares them self a winner in an online “debate” is the clear “loser”.

          • Jason Bourne

            I am sorry you feel the need to measure your success by supposedly exposing the ignorant. Such a sad existence you have. And btw my butt is smart

          • Rattlerjake

            You’re an idiot! It’s Not justified “murder”! All instances of an individual being killed is initially categorized as a homicide, that designation changes when the investigation shows that it was justified and NOT ILLEGAL! Then it become a justified killing.

            Misuse of terminology is the biggest problem in this country – Just like the 5th Commandment does not say “Thou shalt not kill”, it says “Thou shalt not MURDER” in the original Hebrew. God allows us to “kill” in self-defense and protection of property, not murder!

          • Ced Truz

            And war.

          • Jason Bourne

            “Misuse of terminology is the biggest problem in this country” Cool! I always thought that cancer, poverty, or something else was the biggest! Good to know oh all knowing one!!!

          • Jason Bourne

            No it actually is still a Justified Homicide… Look at LibertyDwells below. He is correct.

          • DaveGinOly

            Yes, because it’s a homicide whether it was lawful or not. “Justifiable” is an acknowledgement a homicide was lawful. A “murder” is an unlawful (lawfully unjustifiable) homicide. All murders are crimes, not all homicides are crimes. “Murder” is a subset of “homicide” “Homicide” also contains the subset of “justifiable” acts known as lawful self-defense. Calling an act a “justifiable homicide” is not calling it “justifiable murder”, it’s calling the act “homicide, but not a crime.” Criminal homicide is murder. Murder is always a crime.

          • Jason Bourne

            Very well written! Thanks for a MUCH clearer explanation!!!
            Sincerely,
            JB

          • Simcha M.

            Thank you, Rattler.
            Ever since I started listening to Dennis Prager, I’ve been telling everyone I know who makes that same mistake that it’s MURDER and not KILL; two different words and meanings.

          • LibertyDwells

            Your interchange of homicide and murder is telling. Murder is a legal term. A definition. Homicide is ANY act of killing a human being. Legal or criminal, right or wrong. It’s not a legal term in and of itself, though it can be a criminal charge. Regardless, murder and homicide are not interchangeable terms. If you are going to pick nits and engage in legaleze you should know such simple concepts. Since you do not it seems clear you are trolling…

          • Jason Bourne

            You are correct. I sincerely apologize. I did interchange both “murder” and “homicide” one can be justified and the other is a crime. Again, for those reading. The above statement by LibertyDwells is correct. They are NOT interchangeable! Again I apologize.
            Sincerely,
            JB

          • Jason Bourne

            Also to be fair it is “legalese” which is actually defined as the formal and technical language of legal documents that is often hard to understand. I don’t think what I wrote is hard to understand. I did mix up the terms though so maybe it is legalese

          • art frewin

            i guess this is all semantics. i always thought is you were found not guilty then you did not break a law. so even if you killed someone because of the right reasons, it sounds to me like you are blameless. i guess since i am not a lawyer i do not understand the law. maybe you could explain it to me. in simple terms, because i have never been the smartest apple in the barrel.

          • Steven White

            Under your definition I’m getting that if another person runs a red light while fleeing from a robbery, strikes my vehicle while I am legally driving my legal vehicle and they are killed in the wreck, I have committed a homicide. I’m sure that isn’t what you are actually saying but it kind of comes across that way.

          • Jason Bourne

            No that would be felony murder for the driver or his accomplices of the bank robbers car

          • Steven White

            Not necessarily. Not all states treat such an incident as a separate offense. In some states it is treated as First Degree Murder. But wouldn’t I still be, by your definition, guilty of homicide?

            not
            all states treat felony murder as a separate offense. In some
            jurisdictions, it now falls under first-degree murder. – See more at:
            http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2013/03/what-is-the-felony-murder-rule.html#sthash.qVWPI6Uv.dpuf
            not
            all states treat felony murder as a separate offense. In some
            jurisdictions, it now falls under first-degree murder. – See more at:
            http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2013/03/what-is-the-felony-murder-rule.html#sthash.qVWPI6Uv.dpuf

          • Cal S.

            Good night, you need to chill. You read between those lines so hard you needed an electron microscope.

            Sue me, but it would seem that lawful self-defense makes one blameless in the eyes of the law. Perhaps you would prefer me to use the term innocent of murder? Not-prosecutable? Which proper term isn’t an offront to his Majesty’s sensibilities?

          • Jason Bourne

            I am amazed at how you think you can determine my state of being, merely by reading a reply. Justified is the proper term. It doesn’t mean you are blameless. You still shot some one intentionally. It simply means that you are not going to be found guilty. Thus, they do not endorse the killing of a human being and also, they do not endorse some one laying around and allowing bad guys to trample the would-be victim.

            I couldn’t sue you, I have no grounds. Being wrong or incorrect is neither a crime nor a civil wrong. Which is fortunate for the both of us, because at one time or other we have both been wrong.

            Believe it or not, terminology is important. To call 911 after a case of self-defense and saying, “Dude! I just blasted the guy trying to break my door down.” Is not going to sound good for a prosecutor to play for a jury. But, saying, “I was afraid for my life and I had to defend myself, I would like to speak with my attorney now.” Far more convincing to a prosecutor. Terms will be analyzed over and over in these situations.

            As I said in other posts, I sincerely pray none on here has to go through that type of experience or encounter.

          • Cal S.

            Just as you took one word and an ongoing discussion utterly out of context and used it to impugn my character.

            Yeah, I know about legal semantics, trust me. Just so happens that ‘Blameless’ has a very near synonym: innocent. As in, “He was found innocent of all charges”, which is what we were talking about in the first place. You’re ‘justified’ in defending yourself, but are found ‘innocent’ (blameless) if you’re cleared after facing charges stemming from the incident. That was one of the alleged criteria of the insurance payout we were discussing. It fit perfectly into what we were discussing and was perfectly acceptable by all standards accept yours. My ‘crime’? Using term commonality.

            In that, and your implications, I am…blameless.

          • Jason Bourne

            I bow to your wisdom in all things legal. I prostrate myself in my ignorance. I pray your kingship will forgive my impugnation of thy character. Perhaps, through your good graces, I might continue to post my folly on this forum.

            Hopefully, this satirical apology will allow you and your cute little penguin to get over yourself and move on. I am insane (doing the same thing over and expecting a different result) to even comment here…

          • jonp

            Actually, I doubt I’m alone and wish you would stop your condescending pontificating. You are obviously smarter than everyone here, why are you slumming on this site and not in Helsinki getting your Nobel?

          • Jason Bourne

            Condescending pontification is actually verbose and redundant. Better use a dictionary before you try those words. I do not desire a Nobel, thank you for the compliment though. I never claimed to be smarter, just correct. Very much, unlike you…

          • jonp

            #1. Yeah, no. If you are not charged then you didn’t commit any “criminal offense” as you have to be charged with something then convicted for it to be criminal. What is your problem? Get up on the wrong side of the bed or are you one of those people that just like to argue online and can’t let it go unless your “right” and everyone just gives up?
            You on the USCCA Staff?

          • Jason Bourne

            Your lack of knowledge concerning the legal system “ticks me.” Just because you are not charged does not mean you haven’t committed a crime. In the real world prosecutors don’t change if they don’t have evidence. They don’t like to lose. Looks bad on their prosecutorial record. Go to law school, use Google , or do something to curb your child like knowledge of the court system. Guess what? People do bad and they get away with it. That’s the real world. And prosecutors and defenders all are the same. Lawyers!

          • LibertyDwells

            In the real world if you are not charged, and convicted of, a criminal offense then you are not a criminal. We have ALL committed felonies. Many of them over the course of a lifetime. But in the context of this discussion, insurance covering prosecution, that is utterly irrelevant. You’re not very good with the language or the law, are you…

          • Jason Bourne

            Missed the point. I am not saying every one is a criminal but sometimes the criminal gets away. Some times a prosecutor refuses to charge to prevent a loss in court not based on the morality of the issue. Thus, many liberal prosecutors would prosecute self defense homicides IF they had a chance of winning. Also your writing is slightly odd for instance: “You’re not very good with the language or the law, are you…” First, that is a question. Thus, your punctuation is incorrect. Second, the “the language” comment is an interesting coupling of words. Why would you not write “English” or simply “language.” All I am saying is get the spec out of your eye first

          • jonp

            look at you with the keyboard Rambo insults again. Everyone is impressed by your big brain, Brad.

          • Jason Bourne

            I never insulted you. I merely asked you a question about your statements of fact concerning my language skills. Why does it irk you so? You and your cute little picture. Isn’t that sweet. I do not hide behind my keyboard either. The things I say here are what I would say to a person’s face. Email me for my address and come find out: towmatermadness@gmail.com

          • jonp

            that’s what I was getting at and you said it better than I did. you can’t walk out the door without breaking a law. Unless you are charged and convicted in our court system you are not a criminal. Jason Bourne misses this point and I guess just want’s to arrest everyone and put them in jail. Not how our system works and btw: throwing an instant insult against my intelligence is not a way to make an argument. You show a decided lack of living in the real world common sense.

          • Jason Bourne

            Actually you can walk out the door without committing a crime… Some of us actually believe in the Constitution. But that number is sadly dwindling in the US

          • Ced Truz

            Shooting someone or at someone in self defense is not a criminal offense. Particularly because shooting someone in self defense is not a crime.

          • Steven White

            Claiming that high school students know much of anything about basic legal concepts is laughable.

          • Gun Fu Guru

            You haven’t been around high schoolers much, have you?

          • Steven White

            Enough to have been an 8th grade teacher. If you’re defending government run Public Schools I merely need to point to their product…the kids in universities.

      • Tom Currie

        Perhaps you should actually READ those terms. Then compare them to the terms of their competitors. Exactly which competitor did you find who guarantees to fund appeals all the way to the Supreme Court — or any appeals at all? The USCCA terms do NOT require a “not guilty” verdict at all. The only mention of a verdict is that their duty to mount a defense ends if you are convicted.

        • uncle fester

          Most professional liability insurance policies will pay for defense costs (in civil or criminal cases) incurred UNTIL and unless there is a final adjudication of guilt.

          There is no legal reason that their policy could not pay criminal defense expenses until there is a plea agreement or a guilty verdict.

          • Tom Currie

            And if 22winmag had bothered to actually read the USCCA policy terms instead of shooting off his mouth from total ignorance, he would have realized that the USCCA policy does NOT require any not guilty verdict – it pays up front for the legal defense (like any worthwhile professional liability policy) and only ceases if you are convicted (like all professional liability policies that I have ever seen).

        • JohnnyCuredents

          In other words, until a jury finds you “guilty.” Does that mean the legal fees up to that point then become yours solely? Something tells me that may be the case. The best advice it to self-insure (have a big pile of money reserved for just such an emergency), and be sure a jury can’t arrive at any other verdict but “not guilty” (e.g. use a DAO revolver loaded with .38 Spec [i.e. police-level rounds] and never draw the thing until and unless you’re ABSOLUTELY sure your life or someone else’s is in danger). I’ve had the privilege [?] of sitting on more than 10 juries at every level of the court system, so I have an idea of what one is facing there. It ain’t pretty, but no one ever said life would be easy.

          • Rap Scallion

            So are you talking about insurance pay outs…..OR Legal representation for the entire trail process??????? There is a difference Johnny!

          • JohnnyCuredents

            Legal representation (notice I wrote “legal fees” in my original post). I don’t believe anyone will cover you for damages in a law suit where you lose because of negligence or what is determined to be malicious behavior on your part.

          • Tom Currie

            Get a brain, Johnny — or at least read the policies. USCCA pays for the lawyers UP FRONT (unlike most programs that “reimburse” you after you pay the lawyer).

            NO company offers concealed carry insurance that pays for appeals after a guilty verdict.

            If you want to see a program that has all the flaws that 22wingnut invented for his fake slam at USCCA, take a look at the NRA’s new Carry Guard program. I’m not sure if 22wingnut is shilling for the NRA or just had an advanced look at their program and used that for his comments, but the NRA program is a farce.
            https://d3rmvquxnxa9wt.cloudfront.net/pdf/guides/USCCA_CarryGuard_ComparisonChart.pdf

      • Rap Scallion

        Insurance to pay for legal fees and retaining a Firearms Lawyer are two entirely different things! Think of the roof on your house….you get “insurance” to repair or replace it depending on your terms…….Retention is the ability to make a call for a Firearms Lawyer after you have discharged your firearm and are in custody.

      • Jason Adams

        Most insurances have so many ways to get out of paying it makes them almost useless.

    • Gun Fu Guru

      They offer a form of insurance.

    • Mrl

      NRA does offer CCW insurance, but not as good.

    • John Wisch

      It already has and has done this for years and years !

    • Steven White

      They already do and it’s more expensive than that offered by USCCA. It’s always about the money with the NRA. As I’ve said before; I dumped them this last election when the NRA supported the Democrat for governor of Missouri. Fortunately for the gun owners of this state, he lost. The NRA lost my support.

    • Tom Currie

      Surprise surprise surprise — a week after the NRA booted USCCA from their exhibit space, we now have “NRA Carry Guard” — and believe me they have good reasons to want to be sure their members aren’t comparing the costs and benefits…
      https://d3rmvquxnxa9wt.cloudfront.net/pdf/guides/USCCA_CarryGuard_ComparisonChart.pdf

  • Gun Fu Guru

    Hmmmm. One sided arguments always set the narrative. You should have waited for the NRA to discuss it.

    • Mystick

      Using that logic, ff they refused comment for long enough, it would be forgotten because no one would talk about it. In this case, now we know due to the due diligence of the TFB writers.

      • Gun Fu Guru

        The article is essentially an advertisement for USCCA. That is the reason why TFB needs to drop the “breaking” bullshi† and conduct even a moderate amount of journalism.

        • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

          If they don’t comment, I can’t help them tell their side. I am not going to hold a story until comment is issued.

          I didn’t interject any of my personal feelings because that is unprofessional, just laid out what facts are there. I am not exactly sure how that is an advertisement for USCCA.

          The NRA was contacted for comment. Apparently you overlooked that.

          • Gun Fu Guru

            “If they don’t comment, I can’t help them tell their side. I am not going to hold a story until comment is issued.”
            Again, that is why you need to seriously ease up on the “breaking” tag. Even CNN asks the Trump administration for a quote before they run a pressing article.

            “I didn’t interject any of my personal feelings because that is unprofessional, just laid out what facts are there. I am not exactly sure how that is an advertisement for USCCA.”
            This isn’t entirely your fault as a writer although there was some nonchalant bias shown by not contacting the NRA and by the choice of picture used in the article. When you accurately relayed USCCA’s position, you really gave them – in all reality – an advertisement. Their statement is one-sided and is obviously designed to portray them in a positive light compared to the big, bad NRA. Thus, it has a high likelihood of not being entirely accurate. As such, they get to determine the narrative for the time being which is what I have been cautioning against here.

          • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

            Are you incapable of reading? I called AND emailed the NRA, they didn’t get back to me.

            “The Firearm Blog has reached out to the NRA for more information and comment about why the US Concealed Carry Association has been booted from both events and has not received a comment or a response at this time. We will update this article as we learn more provided the NRA returns our comment request.”

          • Mystick

            They DID contact the NRA, and clearly stated that in the article. The NRA declined to comment, also clearly stated in the article. What’s clear to me is that you apparently did not read the article.

            “The Firearm Blog has reached out to the NRA for more information and comment about why the US Concealed Carry Association has been booted from both events and has not received a comment or a response at this time. We will update this article as we learn more provided the NRA returns our comment request.

            Which word did you not understand there?

          • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

            They didn’t decline to comment, they just didn’t get back to me in time. I reached out to them within a couple hours of the end of their office hours. They will probably get back with us Monday.

          • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

            Now that I have a moment to reply to your whining about the “Breaking” tag, that is how things are done here. We schedule articles days in advance to ensure that the content schedule is filled, if something comes up that we feel is important enough to push out immediately it gets tagged breaking.

            Live with it. That is how our system works.

          • James Young

            Good job Patrick, I’m tired of people complaining about the “breaking” tags. Gun Fu Guru and others should understand that they take away from discussion about the actual article when they take cheap shots at your formatting.

          • FOC Ewe

            I’ve conditioned myself to think “Buttplug” whenever I see “Breaking” or “Wierd Trick”.

            I’ve often gone a coupe of days w/o checking TFB and halfway down the page are always a few “Buttplug” stories to catch up on…

          • jonp

            Most likely the USCCA does not have the “millions of supporters” it claims and The NRA is not going to give a competing organization the free publicity to get there. All you can do as an ethical journalist is give them a chance to comment and leave it there. Since you contacted them so late in the day The NRA is probably working on a response or statement which will take a little time. They are professionals at this and don’t dash off comments in the heat of the moment that the anti’s will use to hang them later.

            It’s too bad that some on this site are no different than those whiners on other sites. Always coupling poor reading skills with immediate uninformed complaints. This is what The NRA is very good at avoiding.

          • Alex Yamach

            Patrick, THANK YOU.

            There are a lot of different POVs and a buttload of speculation going on in this forum.

            Eventually, I believe this will all shake out and we’ll get to the bottom of the real issues.

            In the meantime:

            EVERYONE should remember that the progressive Left is doubling down on their goal of taking away our Second Amendment rights.

            Just look at recent legislation from the Peoples Republics of Maryland and California just for starters, and there is a LOT MORE gun-hating proposed legislation and harassment coming, amply funded by people like George Soros and his son, Alex.

            Their efforts will not stop until the American people, for all practical purposes, are as close to becoming disarmed as they can get.

            We need to stand united and fight against these homegrown communists, not fight amongst ourselves. Cool heads will prevail.

            NRA & USCCA – what say you?

          • art frewin

            yes UNITED. WE NEED TO STAND BEHIND EVERY PRO 2ND GROUP. ALL OF THEM. i also like judicial watch. every gun site has been inundated with trolls. why are they here? to divide us, to weaken us. their stand has no logic. so now they have even started to initiate riots. i do not remember a time in history that this has been done. these are not peaceful riots and vandalism theft and bodily injury seems to be all right with them. who will loose on this line of action, of course they will. people will see the left as criminals. i think they are cutting their own throat, they don’t need us to do that.

  • randypollock

    I get the magazine but unsubscribed from anything that has Tim in it…his over the top sale pitches was annoying at best… they have “millions” of members…who knew…oh wait he said supporters … that could mean just stuck getting his emails.

  • Jonathan Thomas

    Good, I got tired of them.

  • plumber576

    The NRA was tired of still getting USCCA emails no matter how many times they clicked “unsubscribe.”

    EDIT FOR THOSE COMPLAING ABOUT THE NRA
    I was sick of the NRA contacting me, too. I called them ONCE years ago and it stopped. No more emails, no more phone calls, no more mail, but still a member.
    From the NRA Privacy policy you CAN opt-out, it’s easy.

    Opt Out from NRA Privacy Policy:

    We also use your information to send you notices in the mail or by email about special member benefits, discounts and offers. If you do not wish to receive mailings, you can: (1) opt out of email lists immediately by following the instructions at the bottom of each email; (2) email us using our Contact Us page, (3) call us at 1-800-672-3888; or (4) write to us at National Rifle Association of America, 11250 Waples Mill Road; Fairfax, VA 22030.

    • tiger

      You too?

      • Tom Currie

        yes, the USCCA emails are ALMOST as bad as the NRA, NRA-ILA, NRA-??? emails

        • plumber576

          I un-subscribed just once and haven’t received anything in years from them.

        • Audie Bakerson

          GoA’s emails are always important. Also they never supported the Hughes Amendment

          • Lyman Hall

            Edited. Conflated two organizations, and I apologize to GoA.

          • John Richardson

            You are confusing Gun Owners of America – GOA – with Dudley Brown’s National Assoc. for Gun Rights – NAGR.

          • Lyman Hall

            My apologies. That’s what I get for posting before coffee. Please mentally edit my rant.

          • Jason Adams

            No go ahead and rant … We need another gun organization out there to spam us till our email boxes overflow. I can’t blame you for getting them confused. Nobody should.

          • art frewin

            sir, it sounds like you are anti gun, are you? i mean i appreciate all of the organizations that are trying to keep our second amendment right whole.there is not a compromise on the second. we have the right to have and carry guns. the amendments did not give us those rights they just stated the unalienable rights everyone at birth has. they were put down in writing to make sure those trying to take our rights would have a harder time. the problem with government is they keep growing and in the process take more and more of our rights. i personally appreciate everyone of the organizations that watch the government and fight for our unalienable rights. limiting the number of rounds a person can have in the armament is taking part of the second’s natural right away. the right is not a right to have guns they allow and keep us from having guns the soldiers have. we have the right to have modern, and the best defensive weapons we can afford. it is not a right to have weapons that the government believes they can control us with better. our right to protect ourselves from anyone including a government gone bad. OUR RIGHT, NOT GIVEN AND CANNOT BE TAKEN AWAY!!! NO COMPROMISE!

          • Lyman Hall

            Yes, of COURSE I’m anti gun. I particulary enjoy driving 180 miles round trip to purchase a STANDARD cap magazine and then illegally bringing it back to Colorado. Because I’m anti-gun.
            You and Dudley make a heckuva pair.

          • Jason Adams

            Being a former Boulder citizen who moved out of that Californicated state years ago I really sympathize with you. When I go back to visit I only carry my 1911’s.

          • Lyman Hall

            The good news is that the mag cap law was written to say that standard cap mags are presumed to be grandfathered. Means unless you keep receipts from the Cheyenne gun store and voluntarily show them to the prosecutor, you’re free to ignore the law.

          • Jason Adams

            You folks really need to get some of that legislation changed or repealed. You shouldn’t have to count on loop holes. At least Colorado has CCW permit reciprocity with other states or it did the last time I went home. I wish you all the best and hang in there.

          • BluNos

            Magazines sold in CO are stamped with the date of manufacture. My question is: Are states without this magazine capacity limit not date stamped? If not it would be worth a trip to Wyoming.

          • BluNos

            I’m living in Gunbarrel (just northeast of Boulder). Recently retired and thinking of moving to Idaho. For what I can sell my 2BR condo I can buy a 4 BR 3 car garage house.

          • ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

            This is where you are wrong. We didn’t
            lose our rights in one fell swoop and we wont get them back that way
            either. It’s time to lay the bravado aside and play the long game.
            Because that is what progressives are playing, the long game. They
            take our rights bit by bit. Now we need to take them back the same
            way. Until society agrees with us en masse, at that point we can
            fight for total repeal.

            First we need to attack the progressive
            anti gun culture, then the subtle lies in media. (Like how the FBI
            waltzes in and ‘takes over’ local PD cases), we need to force anti
            gunners from the school districts, and from government. This needs to
            be our focus.

            The whole ‘cold dead hands’ doesn’t do
            anything for our case. Nothing. In fact that style attitude allows
            our adversary’s to paint us as gun loving low intellect hillbillies
            and further their agenda. We need to do the same thing back and
            always, and I mean always come across as the calm sane voice of
            reason.

            The long game is what our children
            need.

          • mak13

            Thanks for your reasoned response.
            I would also add that it would be helpful if those advocating for gun rights understood where the battlefield is. For example, this topic on magazines needs to be fought squarely in the CO legislature, and perhaps looking at the CO constitution for relief, if any. 2A is a restriction on the federal. Many times we go marching around talking about 2A 2A 2A!!!! in areas where 2A truly has little jurisdiction, and we as a result do not put the right pressure where it belongs, which is at the state or local level.
            But you’re absolutely right about the cultural change that needs to happen also. It is not optional.

          • DaveGinOly

            If our side had shown more of a “cold dead hands” position early on, maybe we wouldn’t have fallen as far down the rabbit hole as we have. The NRA is partially responsible for some of our earlier defeats in the name of “compromise.” But when the other side gives up something that already belongs to us, that’s not compromise. Granted, the NRA has come a long way, but GOA has always been a rock. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b532115c43902bb3e9a2d32e6d76059df2dde005735ee6f2459583a6a5cadc3c.png

          • Thomas Acquinas

            My problem with the NRA (of which I have been a member for 40 years) is that they focus more on fund raising and overhead (increasing it) than advocacy. The Rifleman is a boring magazine that provides little useful information, just propaganda. Their equipment reviews are pathetic. When was the last time they called a gun out as a piece of crap (they have reviewed many pieces of crap)? I will still be a member, but the NRA is far from the effective rights bulwark they claim to be. This petty snub of the USCCA will only diminish my financial support for the NRA. An no Art, I am not anti-gun, just anti establishment, which is what they NRA is essentially. And Lyman, I agree, Dudley is a jerk.

          • Lyman Hall

            The NRA’s reputation is bigger than its efficacy, I agree. Still, it (we) are an important organization. Even if I never wear the cap, or put on the bumper sticker (because stealth.)

          • Old Vet

            Funny thing and a little off topic, but I don’t display the bumper sticker either after a black lady ask me if my K & N filter sticker was some new Klan sticker….hahahaha

          • art frewin

            well Thomas i am for reduced government for sure. i believe in freedom, which we have lost a lot of i am neither right nor left but somewhere in between. what i do know is the NRA has the most political pull of any of the pro gun organizations. i love all of them and wish i could support them all. i cannot but having them ask for money is not a problem for me. the organization is very big and taking on the government is very expensive. we either all hang together or separately. do i agree with everything that is done by all the organizations, of course not. my main goal is to keep my firearms and if they come to take them, they will have to kill me. i would rather not have that happen and hope we can stop them. hillawitch666 only wanted the same controls as Australia, well pump shot guns are illegal there. NO THANKS! I AM A MEMBER OF BOTH INVOLVED.

          • Dietrich

            I can agree with you on all of them but Dudley Brown and NAGR. He dredges up hysteria over anti gun bills that were defeated years back and presents them again as if they were resurrected and about to become law. He’s in it to see how many gullible gun owners will send him donations and diverts attention from real 2nd Amendment issues. Just when you think NAGR is out of your life, they pop up again like a cancer.

          • art frewin

            i am not sure so i will take what you say as fact. what i do know is we as a group have to support the organizations that are trying to protect our second. a lot of people have been saying bad things about the NRA. no one is perfect, but i do know they have done a lot for our gun rights and we might not even have them if they weren’t around. i am dealing with both and feel the NRA depending on their reason was wrong. i do know we have to stick together or we will loose our right. let me say that a different way. they cannot take that right but they will try and maybe even though they cannot take will send in the police to try and round them up. i will not give up my unalienable right. they can kill me but i will not give them one. every organization tries to get more money for the fight. i have little right now so i cannot support the cause like i would like. getting all the stuff trying to get money is a little irritating, but for the most part it is for a good cause. the bigger the organization gets the more money it needs just to continue not counting what is needed for the fight. we came as close to losing our second as you can come to this last election. even if trump is the worst pres in history i am glad i voted for him over the alternative. and i am glad obummer is out, he has set us up for the greatest depression this country has ever seen. he is the worst pres so far in my view.

          • Dietrich

            I’m a Life Endowment member of the NRA and also joined GOA last year. I like Larry Pratt’s aggressive approach to defending our freedom. Although I like Wayne LaPierre, I don’t think he is as nimble in fighting the media as guys like Ted Nugent and Ben Shapiro. Wayne has fought the good fight for a long time, but we need a younger, quicker wiited spokesman.

          • art frewin

            it is a big organization. changes take time. all i am saying is we are way stronger when we stick together and try to support those organizations that are helping to keep those that do not understand english form trying to take an unalienable right. one that cannot be given or taken. less bloodshed that way.

          • Kurt

            Then WHY does the NRA compromise?

          • Audie Bakerson

            I meant that that’s why I’m with the GoA over the NRA.

          • Tom Currie

            Personally I find GoA just a wee bit too strident and absolutist, but even so I prefer their position over the NRA which is often too willing to ‘compromise’. Not one piece of anti-gun legislation has passed at the federal level in the past 50+ years without the blessing of the NRA. It seems that all the Antis need to do is to get some liberal congressman to introduce a really bad bill that they know can’t pass, the NRA will then send out a billion letters and emails begging for money to fight the threat, once the NRA has collected all the money that the threat can generate, the Antis offer to “compromise” by taking out some of the most ridiculous provisions of the original bill, and the NRA will fall all over themselves promoting the “compromise” bill as a “victory” (and, of course, send out another billion letters and emails begging for more donations to keep up their “successful” defense of our rights).

            Like most “cause” organizations, the NRA has no interest in actually winning the fight – because if the fight were somehow won there wouldn’t be any need for the organization any more. They are much more interested in keeping the fight going because that is the only what for the organization to keep itself going.

            Don’t get me wrong — The NRA does accomplish a lot of good. And their dual role as the boogeyman and whipping-boy for the liberals has some value, including the fact that it diverts attention from other pro-gun organizations.

        • art frewin

          without these pro gun organizations we would have lost our second a long time ago. just remember that. we need all the help we can get. it is irritating but not terrible, and if i was not so broke i would contribute. i am glad someone is contributing. we NEED all the help we can get. let us not burn all the bridges we might need to cross over them in the future.

        • USCCA emails are not bad at all. If you want them to stop, click on unsubscribe.

          Being a member of USCCA is a worthwhile investment – more so than an NRA membership.

    • HemingwaysBeard

      I’ll take the USCCA emails over the NRA’s reptetative letters.

      • John Wisch

        Ill take USCCA and the NRA’s over Piazza’s Front Sites relentless emails.

        • Anomanom

          Oh gawd, I got those for years and they were always clickbait too.

      • Corey

        Touche

      • Ced Truz

        NAGR’s are the worst. OBAMA SNUCK INTO YOUR HOME LAST NIGHT AND TOOK ALL YOUR GUNS! Can I have $25?

        • supergun

          What about the one where Bill O’Reilly does not approve of the President being impeached. There is no article about this, but there is a page seeking a poll vote from you on the President from the Tea Party.

        • Jason Adams

          NAGR … Oh yeah the sky is falling says Henny Penny give us some money and will save you.

          • M40

            This Dudley character has been exposed as a fraud and scammer on so many occasions it’s ridiculous. Just Google “Dudley Brown is a fraud” and you’ll get dozens of pages listing his lies, deceit and fundraising scams.

          • Jason Adams

            Thanks M40 I’ll do that but it does not surprise me in the least. I have suspected as much. These people and many others use fear of losing something as a means to get to your wallet. While we must be vigilant in regards to our rights we need to spend our money and efforts wisely as well.

        • M40

          Yup… I’d never heard of this Dudley Brown character until my inbox started getting flooded with his droppings. I clicked ‘unsubscribe’ which apparently means ‘please send me more’ in Dudley’s world. After going through the unsubscribe process multiple times, it became apparent that more was needed.

          I started directly emailing them demanding to be removed from their list. This seemed to work… for a month or so, and then the emails would start again. My last email threatened legal action under the Can-Spam Act, and it’s now been a couple months since i’ve heard from them… we shall see.

          • Wyatt Earp

            When you click ‘Remove me from your list’ you just confirm there is a live person at that email address. Which is what spammers sometimes want you to do. Unless I absolutely know the source and they are not spammers, I never click the unsubscribe button.

          • M40

            When dealing with overseas emailers, you are absolutely correct. They don’t care about threats of legal action. I am careful to only unsub when the company and emails originate in the US.

            And again, the emails seem to have stopped when I threatened action under CAN-SPAM. This is because each separate email in violation of the CAN-SPAM Act is subject to penalties of up to $40,000.

            It kinda gets their attention when I tell them I’ve been saving each and every email they send to me, along with my cease and desist emails to them… all saved in a folder called “NAGR evidence”. I would love to see everyone else do the same. These guys need to get the message.

          • Steve Harris

            The way to deal with oversea’s spammers is to contact the carrier of the IP sub-block and threaten them with being reported to blacklisted.

          • carlcasino

            Correct answer. You want to end spam just mark as spam a few times and they don’t know whether you exist or not.

          • oldman

            I move them to Spam folder and they then wind up there automatically after a few times putting it in there.

          • Hanzo

            … and then flush them at your leisure.

          • jcitizen

            I also report the organization as a yellow not to be trusted sight on the Web Of Trust site. That way people know they are spammers every time they see them on a web search! WOT does not work on Yahoo search, but then why would anyone want to use Yahoo?

          • jonp

            I never heard of this guy either. After reading this he sounds like a complete *** https://www.saf.org/dudley-browns-despicable-deception/

          • oldman

            Move them to your spam folder and after a while they will automatically go there but do not open before or after you move them.

          • Zundfolge

            As a Coloradoan I have grown to despise Dudley … its directly his fault we have the stupid mag ban, UBCs and transfer fee because he opposed a good, solid, pro-gun Republican because he refused to kiss Dudley’s ring and that cost us the Colorado House and in the next session, bam … gun control laws.

            I think Dudley is happier because I’m sure RMGO and NAGR are making more money now.

          • M40

            You are absolutely correct. If the townspeople pay you to protect them from the beast in the woods… then you’d be wise to merely keep it at bay. You’d never want to actually kill the beast.

          • albaby2

            I like that analogy. It also applies to many “research” programs funded by the government.

          • How did Dudley Brown get into the discussion when this story is about the NRA and the USCCA?

            The USCCA and Tim Schmidt have no relationship to Brown or his dirtbag NAGR organization and opting out of Schmidt’s membership emails is easy and comes without consequences.

          • Zundfolge

            Because someone mentioned NAGR while complaining about the NRA’s money begging.

        • art frewin

          I GET TIRED OF BEING ASK FOR MONEY BY ALL OF THEM, BUT I PUT UP WITH IT AND WOULD EVEN GIVE MONEY IF I HAD MORE. the problem is we need every pro gun organization to help fight this democrap anti gun platform. when 4 out of the eight supreme court justices do not believe the second is an individual plan that is scary. luckily hiiawitch666 did not get elected and we now have a 5th pro gun justice. with bloomy and sorry supporting all this anti gun crap, we certainly have to keep fighting. i hope trump will get rid of old yeller also and straighten out the fed. a little to late now though. we have to go through the greatest depression this country has ever seen. self protection will be even more important.

        • Tom Currie

          NAGR is easy to handle because they don’t bother having multiple email addresses and domain names — just put their domain in your blocked senders list and voila no more stupidity from Dudley

        • Make a rule that forwards the spam back to their president email address and also put it in the trash.

      • supergun

        Either one should honor the “unsubscribe”.

      • Cal S.

        Lucky duck, I get their robo calls…endlessly. I let them go, and they called me a solid 40 days straight.

      • PopperlinRosebud

        If it weren’t for the NRA the only guns American civilians would be able to own would be blackpowder rifles.

        We need the NRA, we are the NRA. The NRA fights for us 24/7. For that I’ll gladly put up with their excessive mailings.

    • James Young

      Haha, nice

    • durabo

      Ditto. USCCA soiled its own bed by not honoring my “unsubscribe” request.

    • John Wisch

      That’s funny !

    • Corey

      lol

    • Jason Adams

      They both spam you with donation requests, beg letters, and buy my crap mails. Being a life member of the NRA I am disappointed in that decision as it shows a lack of professionalism in that they don’t give a specific reason for the decision. If it is competition that is bothering them then dis-inviting them is a poor way to handle it.

      • plumber576

        When I was getting NRA spam at least I was a member. I don’t know how the USCCA got my email.
        I made a call to the NRA one time, years ago, and asked them to please not solicit me anymore. They haven’t since. The only pieces of mail I get from them are:
        1) Membership renewal notice
        2) New membership card and packet each year
        3) NRA Annual Meeting passes

        • Jason Adams

          Yeah that is the difference in the NRA and the other posers. I too asked them not to solicit me and true to their word they haven’t. So I paid for the life membership after that. But the decision I disapproved of was the one to boot the competition the USCCA. That isn’t the way to gain a leg up on it. That is just petty. I don’t like the USCCA but they have a right to do business at the annual meeting just like anyone else. Unless the NRA has a valid reason which they haven’t stated clearly enough yet. Concerns with their programs? What concerns? If they are valid then why not state them?

      • Wow!

        The reason they “spam” you is because they expect it is what you want since you joined. The NRA is a lobbying organization and their sole power only comes from funds (which keeps ranges around the country up and lawyers ready to respond) and members being active in their local and state politics. The spam they are giving you are outlets for you to act if you want, all those meetings aren’t just photo ops, those are opportunities to see what everyone is doing and what you can do.

        And of course, we have to realize that the NRA won’t win the war on gun control for us. Being a lobbying organization, that also means that the constant battle against the gun grabbers is what keeps their very organization alive. If one truly wants to stop gun grabbers, the only way to do so is to not comply at all with illegal laws and to violate them. Most people don’t do that, which is why gun control is a thing, so the NRA is the backup moderate plan.

    • Tom Currie

      One problem with the NRA “opt out” is (or at least was the last time I had to deal with it) it is all or nothing. They did not offer any way to limit either the frequency or kind of contacts — the choices were either have them send you everything or nothing at all. Perhaps they have changed that now, but that was the way it worked not all that long ago.

    • Paul Rain

      Just to provide a bit of context on this- one thing that a lot of advocacy organisations, and a few companies, will do, is have multiple email lists.

      The way this works, is that they add your address to say- the AJC email list, and the AJC urgent alerts email list, and the AJC conference email list.. ad infinitum.. and then even when you unsubscribe from one you still get 90% of the volume of email you did before.

      What I have found useful in regards a certain advocacy organization’s email lists is to send an email through their contact form asking for my email to be removed from ALL email lists.

  • Sounds like yet more evidence that the NRA has stopped caring entirely about their stated mission to promote and protect safe, responsible firearms ownership.

    • art frewin

      i do want to hear from them on the reason. just 2 weeks before is certainly crap. i hope this is not going to be infighting. we are all in this together. we do have to look at what the NRA has done for us also. if not for just a few groups fighting for our rights, with money from us, we would have lost our rights a long time ago in my opinion.

  • Jeff Smith

    Something about the USCCA insurance program just seems off-putting to me. I mean, I guess I get it, but something about insurance for shooting someone (legally justified, of course) just seems kind of odd.

    Not to delve into the political realm, but one of the things to come out of the Black Lives Matter movement has been to point out how inauthentic it sounds to have rehearsed your testimony after a shooting.

    Granted, I’m writing this from my home in Mississippi, where we have constitutional carry, castle law, stand your ground, and all that Jazz. I don’t know that I’d ever need it and I’m sure that, heaven forbid, I did need it, I’d be glad to have it.

    Does anyone have the insurance? Or has there been any well documented instances of its use? I’d be curious as to how it’s looked upon in court.

    • Cal S.

      I have their insurance. Basically, it covers those that face charges or civil suits after lawful self-defense or falsely-accused of fireams-related crimes. Even if one is innocent and doesn’t face charges, being sued by the perp or the deceased’s family costs a lot of $$ in court fees and/or payouts. Yes, they have at least three testimonials I’ve read. I’m certain their website has them.

      Of course, the pre-req is that you’ve got to be innocent. If not, then you’re not really committing lawful self-defense; you’ve committed a crime.

      • 22winmag

        To clarify what I said earlier, ALCDN pays legal fees *before* the verdict. According to USCCA, they only pay for legal fees upon a not-guilty verdict which is preposterous since something like 90% of criminal trials end in plea bargain. Just imagine after a three-year complex million-dollar criminal trial, you decide it’s better to cop a plea to a lesser charge… and no lawyer money?

        • Mystick

          That sounds like something an insurer would do.

        • Jeff Smith

          Jesus.

        • Cal S.

          Page 16, bullet point 3 of the USCCA insurance clauses says that up to the limit of the lawyer fees are yours “Regardless of the verdict on court”. If you paid for the $125k insurance, then that’s what they’ll pay up to. Can’t fault them for not paying more than they say they ​will.

          • Joe Veteran

            I’m satisfied with my $1.00 a day, for my $$1,125,000 coverage since my bank account never holds more than $2,000.00 after paying my bills. I trust USCCA before I would trust DA’s, and Judges with my freedom. Just hope one never have to face an anti-gun DA, or Judge.

        • Joe Veteran

          USCCA will pay in advance so no money comes out of your pocket. It is simple with them. You call 911 first ,and second call to USCCA so they get the ball rolling. Do not take my word for it, just read up on it, and you might even want to hear stories of those who have had to use USCCA. I understand you like ALCDN, but let’s not knock the others with halve truths.

        • Joe Veteran

          ALL Weapons Covered
          You shouldn’t have to think twice about protecting your family, whether it be with a firearm, knife, or your own two hands…

          Up to $1,125,000 in Insurance-Backed, Self-Defense SHIELD Protection
          Once again the limits of your Platinum Membership have expanded to offer you even more protection in the event of a criminal defense lawsuit…

          Expert Witness Coordination
          Should you face charges, we’ll provide and pay for self-defense expert witnesses to testify on your behalf.

          *****Up-Front, No Out-Of-Pocket Coverage*********
          If you’re involved in a self-defense incident your Critical Response Team will instantly take any and all financial burdens off your shoulders. No deductible, no reimbursement, no out-of-pocket costs to your family…

          The USCCA Legal Advisory Board
          The new USCCA Legal Advisory Board gives you absolute peace of mind knowing that your defense attorney will have complete access to the nation’s leading experts in self-defense, firearms, and concealed carry case law.

        • art frewin

          i think their insurance covers up to $1,000,000, now if you cop a plea, that would not help you in a civil suit. to be found guilty you need over 90% sure thing, in a civil trail you only need 51% to win. so you can win a criminal case and loose a civil case. i believe, it has been a long time since i read USCCA’s insurance policy but i pretty sure they also cover a civil suit. i certainly would not plea bargain if i were innocent. of course, there would be the big $ sign if you fight it. i thought that is what insurance is all about.

    • scaatylobo

      As a retired cop I will state that you do NOT want to get involved in a shoot no matter how “good” it is.
      AND if you don’t carry insurance then shame on you.
      Go to a court and sit in on a trial,then tell me about being ‘innocent’ and how that works out for you.
      IF you have not been there,you will regret the day you ‘had’ to pull the trigger = of that I can promise.
      So do anything and EVERTHING to insure your outcome is as good as it can be.

      • George Flynn

        I was involved in an Attempted Robbery and Drew my Pistol , Didn’t Fire . Ended the Threat . I called Police to Cover myself , I answered more Questions Then a Murder Suspect !!!!!

        • scaatylobo

          Sorry but I fail to see how that has ANYTHING to do with an actual shooting and the aftermath.
          IF your involved in such = THEN tell me all about it please.

          • Nicks87

            How many shootings have you been involved with?

          • scaatylobo

            If you have any live brain cells,you would know that is not a question to ask one who carried a gun for a living or served in the military !.
            RUDE to be nice,much uglier words can be used !.
            AND if you have any real knowledge of the aftermath of a shooting = AND you don’t know what WILL [ for sure ] befall you,then your really wrong to carry a gun.
            You had better be really fearful of using that gun,and AVOID the use at the cost of swallowing your ‘manly pride’.
            The actual cost in CASH American will be in the TENS of THOUSANDS = if you are faultless,in most states.
            Ignoring that FACT is a crime on you,your family and friends.
            ALL will be on camera and have hundreds of microphones shoved in their faces AND the same on their front lawns..
            Ignoring these FACTS is beyond foolish.

      • Nicks87

        I would rather be tried by twelve than carried by six. If you are scared of having to face the legal system after a defensive gun use then you shouldn’t carry a gun, it’s that simple. Know the laws in your state, know what’s behind your target and don’t shoot unless you feel you or someone else is in danger of serious bodily harm or death. Shame on you people for trying to scare others away from protecting themselves and their families with firearms just because you watch too many TV shows where the good guy gets screwed over by the “evil” justice system.

        • Calavera

          In my state all shootings go before a grand jury. Average cost to defend yourself is reportedly around $25,000. Beyond that, if “tried by twelve,” the devastating financial consequences will affect your life for years afterwards, even though you were found not guilty. Accordingly, I carry insurance along with that CHL.

      • Humpy

        Amen, pulling the trigger is a last resort, and be prepared for legal cost even if you are in the right.

    • George Flynn

      I’ve seen a Few Cases where People traveled through N.J. got caught with a loaded Weapon and arrested , The GOA Got one out NRA involved in the other Didn’t hear anything about USCCA ?

      • because the USCCA is about those who used their guns in self defense. not those who broke the law.

      • art frewin

        it is insurance, if you don’t have it it does not pay. i believe the USSCA is a lot smaller then the other 2. just as i believe what NJ or NY do is wrong i do not have the money to fight them.

    • art frewin

      you baffle me, do you carry car, health, home insurance? do you know how expensive it can be to hire a lawyer? even if you are justified in what you have done the cost can wipe you out of existence. the only thing that makes insurance work is almost everyone will not need it. when you do need it, if you don’t have it, you will be sorry, what ever it is that has happened.

      • Jeff Smith

        I’m aware of how insurance works and I understand preparing for a worst-case scenario. My comment was questioning how insurance to protect you in the event that you shoot someone would be viewed in court.

        I can’t help but wonder if a DA somewhere (a less gun friendly state than I live in) is going to use the fact that someone involved in a self defense shooting had insurance to protect them as evidence of premeditation.

        I’m not saying having insurance is premeditation, but I’m sure there are people who would view it as such.

        • Joe Veteran

          By the same token, having insurance can be looked at as a responsible gun owner. if your in an anti-gun state, with anti-gun DA, and Judges, it really would not matter if you have or do not have insurance to them. You will in such an occasion be looked at guilty for having a gun, and have to prove why your innocent. Let’s face it, just having a gun makes you look like Premeditated without the insurance.

      • BigR

        It’s kind of like shooting dice!! Damned if you do, damned if you don’t!!!!

  • Vitsaus

    The NRA is a business first, and everything else second. Helps to remember that.

    • art frewin

      it takes money to fund anything and the NRA certainly has a lot on it’s table. they are the only group, not even the government, to try and educate the kids on gun safety. we need all of the 2nd groups we can get to help us and protect us from the government or we will have to do it ourselves. i wish i had the money to put into all of those organizations, but right now food is important.

  • I just checked, and the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network is still going to NRAAM, so it’s a bit more than the NRA not wanting competition at their show.

    • Gregory Markle

      Readthrough everything I could find on both USCCA and ACLDN and chose the latter. USCCA spend much too much time playing marketing games and making convoluted promises, ACLDN is straightforward and the names that have chosen to be associated with the brand (Mas Ayoob, Rob Pincus, etc.) speaks volumes.

  • Shankbone

    Is there an acronym translation app available in the App Store?

  • George Flynn

    One would Think We All need to Stand together to preserve the 2A !!! NRA Too big for their Britches ? This is Not a Competition !!!

    • art frewin

      there are a lot of people replying and bad mouthing the NRA. i believe a lot are nothing more then trolls trying to divide us. i believe the NRA has saved our rights more then any other organization but a lot of organisations have done a great job. the bigger an organization gets the more complicated and the more money it needs. fighting for the second is not easy or cheap. i support them all and i read about this yesterday from Tim, USSCA, no matter what he says he supports them and even if i think their answer as to why sucks i still will support them. what happened was not good. i only hope everyone comes back together. we either hang alone or hang together. there are trolls on every pro gun sight, and act like they are gun people, but are just there to confuse, divide, and try and brainwash whom ever they can. we should not let them. we are strong together not alone.

      • BigR

        art, I agree with your believing the trolls are trying to divide us!! But, I’m am concerned about why the NRA would dis-invite another 2nd amendment group from their meeting. I realize there might be a conflict about competition in the field. I’m a life member of the NRA, and I wish the NRA would explain to us why they took this action. I’m all for every group that is trying to protect our gun rights. This is not the time for us to begin all this infighting over each others turf. If we start fighting among ourselves, we’re doomed. Any small chink in our armor could be our downfall. It would pizz me off if those azzholes got one up on our 2nd amendment. We can’t comprise with liberals, but we can comprise with each other, to beat them! “UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL”!

  • kjack

    I’ll wait for the NRA’s response on this to pass judgment on this issue, but I really don’t have high hopes after LaPierre’s speech at CPAC about how gun owners need to get behind Trump on non gun related issues. It seems like the NRA might be getting preoccupied with things other than fighting for gun rights.

  • Andrew Dubya

    The Russians hacked the USCCA!

  • Jim

    The article brought up several key points as to a possible motive by the NRA to boot USCCA from a strictly business perspective: 1. The NRA is always money hungry. 2. They are trying to eliminate competition (insurance, lobbying, education, fund raising). 3. With the surge in gun ownership and CCW, they want to be the go-to organization for all things related to firearms. 4. NRA leadership prides itself on having close ties to Congress — they want the swamp to themselves. NRA member since 1971.

    • art frewin

      it takes money to bring the fight.

  • valorius

    They obviously pissed someone off.

  • Anonymoose

    Now is not the time to be burning bridges!

  • jerry young

    Dissention in the ranks? or maybe the NRA is afraid of a USCCA takeover? well this seems to be about concealed carry and the NRA through bad choices has lost a lot of customers and instructors to the USCCA because of changes they made where you had to do half of the course online and all the criteria involved in their lesson plan, in an effort to change their course for the better again they made it worse you no longer have to do the internet part but the course outline is ridiculous, you have to teach semi auto or revolver or both but your certificate reflects only which is taught instead of the way it was where you do both and it’s just a handgun course and then there’s the round count making the student fire one round at a time and all the sign offs on everything you have taught to many hoops too jump through too much BS to put up with, the USCCA course is more customizeable with better material.

    • art frewin

      well i am to old and did not take either course, but we need both and every organization that is pro 2nd. i only hope that those that can afford it belong to as many organizations as they can. we do not have billionaires putting large sums of money into organization fighting to take our 2nd away.

      • jerry young

        I’m 64, I took the older version of the NRA class 7 years ago and have been involved in helping teach CCW for the last 4 years we went through the changes in the NRA class and lost students due to all the bad changes, we have went to USCCA late last year and there is a world of differences in the classes. I’m still a member of the NRA and won’t give that up, we have had students in their 70’s and believe it or not some of them were first time shooters, you’re never too old to defend yourself

        • art frewin

          well good for you Jerry. i am 69 and got my ccp in the late 80’s early 90’s at the time i was shoot 1ooo rounds every monday. hell i got sucker punch a couple months ago. he then backed up out of range so i could not punch him back. he was pretty happy with himself and i was pissed. not worth the gun though. his only problem is he was not out of leg reach. it really surprised him when i kicked him in the jewels. he then claim he did not punch me and i assaulted him. i have cameras and he thought he was out of sight. he was not, i called the police and charged him with assault. basically he is part of a cocaine ring on my street. b3efore he punched my he told me he was going to slit my throat. the second one one the street to give me a death threat. the supplier lives on the street, 2 brothers. their customers have moved into the street and almost every house on the street sells for them. i have calkled the police enough times and they think i am crazy. so i get no help and everything i tell them gets back to the street. long story over many years.i am not crazy. i have a rental i bought from my brothers and sisters in a nice neighborhood and my first renter destroyed the house. every day off for 1 and 1/2 years i work 8 to 12 hours on it. still a lot more work but it is getting closer. my sister got sick helping me clean the place at the start. she suggested i check for meth. i did and it test positive for meth. i told my insurance adjuster about it state farm. it took a long time and bring it up 3 or 4 times before he final sent someone to check and found it positive also. they paid me to have it cleaned but by the time he did that i had cleaned almost all of the house. since almost all of the doors and windows were busted even a lot of jams, i put in all but 2 new windows. this has been very expensive. they took out bankruptcy. this is in the coiunty and i live in the city. i called the county police a couple of times and told them it tested positive for meth and it was 3 times higher in the kitchen. they did not respond to that. so then i figured it out the county and city have a combined narcotics force and i had already pissed them off. no help, none, nada. now i was given insurance money for that. i guess i am crazy. i think drug dealers are everywhere. i now email both chiefs of police and complain regularly. no help, threatened 2 times with death by these folks.from the size of stuff that comes in when they pick up, they move 10 to 20 pounds a week through here. i know who they get it from and who she gets it from. i have watch these folks do it and the amount increase for 5 years now. no help nothing. i live in a bad neighborhood. i have been threaten by national gangs over the years since the 80’s over 1/2 dozen times by different gangs. i just don’t like being pushed around or threatened. this one is not a national gang but they are close to the cartel and that is why they move so much. if any of those threats are going to carry out my killing this is the more likely one now. they now know they cannot scare me so i regularly get someone trying to buy my house, by realtor different ones. this is in the slums and not a house that people would by. so i guess with my big mouth i worry them and they want to get rid of me. they killed my 2 rotties a little over a year ago. i live in the state of orange and have for decades. it is part of my life now. i always know what is in my surroundings. i will not give them the pleasure of getting rid of me. i do live in central getto but i have a nice big garden, and the places works for me. of course i cannot trust any of my neighbors. i have lost a lot of strength, i might not be as quick, but i am more deadly now because of that. i will strike areas that are more dangerous to them, it is not a game to me anymore. i use to work security at the concerts. i do not want to fight due to things and medical problems but i will and will not be bullied. as my dad told me he was short at 5′ 6″ it does not matter if you win all you have to do is hurt them and they will never bother you again. never use to kick in the jewels but the was my nicer thing, i will take out knees now and other punches that are deadly. haven’t lost many fights in my life, never started one, and put a few in the hospital just trying to control them. never sued from acts at the concert because they started it. i did get a new dog and she is a mutt. not big but i am use to big dogs. someone abused her and i am very lucky when the people drove 70 miles to give her to me that she did not bite me. she helps with my ears that are not as good as they use to be. she does not trust any one even people i have tried to introduce. i have never had a dog like this that i worry about her biting someone. she is a junk yard dog. my help. she has to patrol the yard every time i let her out and she does not want anything in her yard.a little noisy but i do want a warning and help. it is kind of funny, learning about old age. my mind feels young, and my body tells my mind it is not. open heart was a piece of cake, i now have a pigs aortic valve. it was the cancer that really took it out of me. i guess it is the challenge that makes getting older bearable. it would be nice to be without pain but we all have our crosses to gear. live free or die.

          now my answer to what i live through is legalize all drugs. it is our decision on what we put into our bodies and the war on drugs will never work. we seem to want to fight unwinnable wars. reduce crime and with the extra taxes lower mine. if someone wants to do heroin it is their business and we certainly have not stop them from doing it now. pretty radical guy right??? stop policing the world. we are killing a lot of our best for no reason except to make the elite more money and power.

          sorry for the rant, woke up a 2 and could not get back to sleep. my day to work on my parents house, what fun breathing paint all day(OIL BASE). i am a fighter and that is why i survived cancer but surgery cutting out muscles and nerves, and chemo, and the worst was radiation. it was to the throat area. radiation burnt it so bad i had to feed my self with a tube into my gut for months. funny thing i don’t remember a good meal at that time.

  • Stephen Paraski

    The NRA is sitting on a ton of money. Have they really came out against magazine capacity bans? Concealed Carry? No they have not. They do not care about Joe, the Plumber in Chicago that loses business because he will not go into certain areas unarmed and he does not want a Felony Conviction for protecting his Life and Property. Never mind the 500,000 poor to lower class that would buy a High Point for $100-$200 to protect themselves and Family, if the Law allowed them. I think the USCCA Shield Insurance is a Good thing.

    • SPQR9

      Utter nonsense, they “really” came out and opposed those Bloomberg initiatives on multiple occasions.

  • jonp

    I have not received any emails since I unsubscribed and just a few mailings from ILA. Who knew that USCCA with it’s “millions of supporters” had more members than The NRA? Since the event is an NRA event they can invite or not anyone they choose and competing organizations that are on the fringe of too hardcore to garner support from any but the most rabid 2cd Amendment advocates might have made The NRA feel it was damaging it’s mission. It looks to me like The USCCA is copying The NRA with it’s programs and the overlap probably didn’t seem good to The NRA. Remember, The NRA lobby’s and fights for our 2cd Amendment rights but it is also a business and needs to make money to stay in the business of supporting us. If they feel like the USCCA is eating into them then it’s good practice to limit it. If they don’t agree with some of the program training methods then they will distance themselves, also good practice.
    I’d just join both and not worry about who was invited to the party and who wasn’t. If the USCCA wants free publicity by showing up at the largest Pro 2cd Amendment gathering in The USA then they can hold their own event but trying to poach members and get face time at someones else’s event then complaining when they are kicked out is a little rich

    • art frewin

      well if you are a member of both like me, Tim sent an email yesterday talking about this and said he supports the NRA no matter what and will still attend the event even though they have no booth. the publicity has already happened.

  • uisconfruzed

    If te NRA hadn’t supported Socialists for office here in NC that said they didn’t want to take farmer’s guns away.
    If the NRA didn’t email, call and send letters weekly begging for more $ because the sky was falling again.
    I’d still be a member. I’ll now look into USCCA.

    • art frewin

      they support pro second amendment people for office in either party. i guess you would rather have a right person even if he wanted your guns. you should have a handle iamconfused.

  • Stephen Brown

    I’m an Endowment Member of the NRA and a Platinum Member of the USCCA, as well as a USCCA Certified Instructor. I was an NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor for 7 years, but decided to let my credentials expire when the NRA changed the Basic Pistol course to their “blended-learning” format, due to financial considerations. Under the old format, I could offer NRA Basic Pistol for $75/student and realize about $50/student gross profit. Under “blended learning” the NRA charges $60 for the online prerequisite class, paid directly to the NRA. This has made it impossible in my area to offer the “live fire” portion of the class without losing money! In my area, there is at least one “gun shop” that offers some sort of class that meets our State minimum training requirements for a CWP application for FREE! The “gun show” classes are around $35/student. I like the approach the USCCA takes, I like their training materials, and their Instructor support thus far.
    As to the details of their insurance, I’ve never seen any kind of insurance policy that any two “experts” could agree on EXACTLY what it promises for any HYPOTHETICAL event. Having looked at both, I think the USCCA is a better fit for my needs. Someone else may feel otherwise.
    I’ve been in the NRA for many years and a Life Member since the mid 1980’s. I remember the “Cincinnati Reforms” battle and other internal battles in the NRA as well. Despite any shortcommings, the NRA is the largest and best funded registered lobbying organization in DC. The politicians have to pay attention to them or likely suffer defeat electorially. Are they perfect? Of course not, But I support them because they DO consistently work to improve and protect the 2nd Ammendment.
    I don’t uderstand the NRA’s distancing itself from the USCCA, and I hope they provide a thorough explaination for their decision soon.

  • Jeff

    I think I remember hearing about a partnership between Second Call Defense and the NRA. And that that was a new change for the NRA going away from what they did offer to endorsing SCD. This was about six months or so ago though. That might have something to do with it.

    And yes, USCCA marketing is a bit irritating and borderline clickbait.

  • AR-PRO

    It’s all about the USCCA offering alternatives for those who need to take a basic handgun safety class to get their pistol permit and don’t want to go through the NRAs online/offline class. Its basically competition for the NRA and they don’t like it..

  • uncle fester

    Maybe the NRA is concerned about the overpriced insurance they offer with very little chance of protecting anyone charged with a crime. While it is not a scam, it isn’t something I would want to be associated with.

  • Jason

    The NRA cares about one thing only, the NRA.

  • Nick the Enforcer

    Not a uscca fan boy but i have not agreed with the new nra blended training program either. Nra calls me every week hounding me for money, not a fan of that tactic.

  • Joe Veteran

    I am one of many who have both membership in the NRA, and USCCA. I have always believed in both, However, unless the NRA can come up with a good reason for kicking out the USCCA from it’s big events, Then this will be the last time I support the NRA. I look at it this way, the NRA does not provide the necessary insurance to protect it’s members from having to fight in court for a self-defense shooting (it can bankrupt you). With that said the NRA should support a free market and let those who are interested in what the USCCA or any-other have to offer, choose according to their needs. This move by the NRA seems more like the NRA does not like to see it’s members get what USCCA has to offer. I am a member of the USCCA, and will continue to be a member, even if the NRA decides to get into the USCCA market of providing insurance so they can get more money from it’s members. This is a big black-eye on the NRA, and I can only hope that this move by the NRA only backfires on them. As a “Last Year” NRA Member, a Gulf-war Veteran, and former LEO, I am highly disappointed in this NRA Move, and will no longer tell folks the importance of the NRA membership.

  • Mrl

    Come on now, they are on the same side fighting for the 2A. Let’s make up and play nice together and not give the Dems. something to talk about.

    • Joe Veteran

      Totally agree with you. I thought they were on the same side, for US pro-2nd Amendment folks, and against the Anti-2nd Amendment idiots. But I no longer believe that after this NRA move.

      • Mrl

        Amen brother!

      • art frewin

        one move destroys all the good work the NRA has done??? we need the NRA no matter what the reason was. all those groups fighting for our second amendment rights need us. we are the ones supporting that cause. i guess you would rather have us all hang separately.

        • Joe Veteran

          We lived for years as gun owners without the NRA lobbying. What you are basically stating is that without the NRA we fall apart, is basically fear mongering. As a Military Veteran, and former LEO, I have taken an Oath to protect the Constitution, til I die. My oath is to no political leader or organization such as the NRA. Politicians are smart enough to figure out on their own who their constituents are. Just to correct you sir, the one currently dividing us Pro-Gunners is the NRA itself.

    • art frewin

      the trolls are here and trying to divide us and take out the biggest political clout machine we have. if grayjohn is a true second fan i am sorry to see him go, if not see ya.

  • grayjohn

    one more addition to my list of reasons why I won’t renew my membership.

  • Corey

    I’m all for as many organizations that can support freedom. I think Tim nailed it with his statement. NRAs CC insurance is not competitive with USCCAs. Insurance is big money.

  • Ced Truz

    Competitor? For gun rights?

  • FCUKtheNRA

    The NRA is not our friend. Does a “friend” whom you support to do something on your behalf sit down with your enemies and compromise away half of your principles/rights?

    When dealing with Our Rights, there is no compromise. I’m still sore at them for going in on the Brady Bill and backing the Veteran’s Disarmament Bill.

    Your money is better spent with the SAF, GOA and JPFO. They actually put their money (i.e. donations/membership fees) where their mouth is (see legal action).

  • Jesse Jasko

    This was a bad move by the NRA, seriously NRA? We should be in this movement all together. Supporting the 2nd amendment isn’t a competition, it’s a freedom we all should defend and support as gun loving Americans.

  • Rap Scallion

    The NRA is on the thin edge of my do not SMOOZE me anymore list! They always seem to want more and provide less….there are other programs out there now to challange the shortfalls of the NRA, and legal protection on a retainer, is one of them. Personally I belong to a legal protection program because the NRA does not provide one. I belong to both groups but the NRA is fading in my rearview mirror, as other more vocal groups, are taking the spotlight. I pay extra for a service they do not provide…….so what is the problem NRA??????????

    • art frewin

      the NRA has more political pull then any other organization. i guess your memory does not remember all those times the NRA protected your second amendment rights, or you are a troll and want to take those rights. that sort of legal fighting takes a lot of money. for those selfish enough to want everything spent on them, well i guess there are smaller organizations. i will not give up my right to self protection. i would rather go this route instead of having them kill me at my door trying to take my weapons. the bigger an organization gets the more money it needs to run it’s everyday business. you want to loose your second amendment right? we need to support every organization that helps us keep that right. they are the oldest and the biggest i believe, do you want to lose that political pull????????

  • Old Gringo

    I spent a 3rd of my life as a cop, military, local, state and federal and the last 35 years as an attorney, including 6 as a prosecutor. Many of the comments here are just wrong. Every state is a little different. Every unnatural death by shooting is a homicide. The question, is if it is a justifiable homicide. In some places, you cannot shoot a burgler in your home at night unless you try to run first. In most states you can shoot any stranger in your home at night and it is justified. Now, that comment about any honest prosecutor will not charge you for a righteous shooting? Where have you been? All the evidence says that Zimmerman in the Travon Martin case was justified, yet national race tensions and pending elections caused the governor of gun friendly Florida to file charges and appoint a politically motivated lady to totally ignore the evidence and try to convict Zimmerman. Zimmerman may have been a jerk, but he was justified. Now, I have been a special prosecutor appointed several times. In all but one of those cases the Defendant was a lawyer and the AG in my state knew I was a straight shooter and as I recall, all but one settled. Lawyers are not stupid, they don’t want a jury judging them. But they were not gun cases. Now, I don’t recommend CCW insurance, unless you really live in a big city with lots of crime and racial tension. Take that same money and put it in your kids college fund. And, don’t do anything stupid. Always back away and never shoot anyone that is unarmed and don’t worry about it. People buy insurance out of fear. Now, I have no clue why the NRA has a conflict with those guys. But the only group that can ever survive is the NRA and everyone should donate and support and by all means don’t look like a fool and start bad mouthing the NRA. Without them , there would be no CCW in most states. It really is that simple. And another thing, Donald Trump sometimes sounds like a nut job, but he is the only politician standing behind a new assault rifle ban and a 10 round magazine restriction in the nation. Supporting anyone other that Trump at this stage is just nuts. No, I don’t like him, much, but I don’t like broccoli much either, but both are good for us. Duh?p

    • Joe Veteran

      I certainly do not buy my insurance out of fear. I do not have the kind of money needed to pay off for any representation in a self defense shooting. I look at the insurance this way, As a Veteran, former LEO, and Graduate of the Criminal Justice field: I do not buy insurance out of any fear, but instead for the same reason I have a bought a fire extinguisher, and Life insurance you never know when you would be pulled into a situation such as the jerk Zimmerman, that forces you to defend yourself. I personally do not trust DA’s and Judges. I pray to GOD that I never have to take another life or use my weapon in self-defense. With that said, I much rather spend a $1.00 a day and have the $1,125.000.00 coverage “IF” I ever have to defend myself. Just like My fire extinguisher will come in handy “IF” I ever have a fire in my home, and my life insurance will help my wife and kids “IF” I should die tomorrow. I would consider myself a fool if I did not buy that CCW Insurance.

      • PaulWVa

        I agree Joe, I have USCCA insurance for the same reasons I have health insurance and car insurance….the cost of not having it is too high. And I’m sorry Gringo, but I don’t “live in a city with a high crime rate and racial tensions”, I live in what’s left of Obama’s America….a large country with a high crime rate and high racial tensions. A country where some kill each other for the colors they wear and others kill cops for sport. I carry a gun to protect myself….I have CCW insurance for the same reason.

        • Joe Veteran

          Amen Brother!!!

  • Sam Damiano

    My guess, USCCA is more legal insurance than firearms rights group. That seems to be the way the advertising sounds.

  • Longnkrnch

    The NRA is losing ground. It seems they put $$ above what the goal should be, protection of your second amendment rights. I let my membership expire a couple years ago because I got tired of constantly being dogged for more, more, more money. The last year of membership, they didn’t even send the magazine, nor did I ever recieve my sign up package. They want your loyalty/money,but won’t hold up their end of the bargan. I felt like the only thing my membership fee went towards was financing their efforts to get more money from me.

  • Patrick Duffy

    The NRA over the last 10 years turned into a propaganda machine churning out fake news so I quit!

    • Mel Kimlinger

      So?

      As a “Brit”, go back to the UK where you came from, and watch it die!

      And you won’t be subjected to our politics that you’ve complained about, including the following previous comment in another forum that you’ve made:

      “Could you not think up your own reply instead of using a Trumpism? What I find so funny is over 70% of what Trump says are lies and you guys all swallow it. Try some fact checking some time. “So sad” “.

      • Patrick Duffy

        The world is now subject to the US politics. YES the NRA started churning out false information and news – you just have to check what these organizations say before jumping on their bandwagon. No offense taken.

  • Joe Veteran
  • Joe Veteran
  • Max

    I am so tired of the NRA. Why should I be subjected to joining the NRA just to shoot at my local range? They are simply a for profit organization that runs on old fashioned union principles. I’ve been a member of my local firearms organization for years. They are accessible and reasonable. The NRA isolates a large number of its own base. This move with the UCCA is just more evidence that they want to be the only game in town so they can take me money for themselves. Don’t kid yourselves, they don’t care about the individual.

  • Jarhead0369

    Typical of the NRA. The leadership doesn’t like GOA, JPFO, SAF, NSSF, or anyone else “diluting” their message (i.e. cutting in on their action).

  • coyotehunter

    I belong to both, but that’s as far as it goes, they each get my dues and that’s it, If they NRA would get rid of those high priced buildings/offices/ board members, mailings, gifts for joining, etc… and have just the basic organization, their money would go a lot further….uscca and nra emails all arrive in my spam so with one click I can delete if I choose

  • Trust No One

    The names say it all. National RIFLE Association vs US CONCEALED CARRY Association.
    At it’s core, the NRA is more about Hunting, which is falling drastically as fewer and fewer people hunt as there is less and less land available, vs pistol packing, which is where the real growth is.
    It is understandable that the NRA fears competition, (the fact that all of the sudden they discover there is “something” they don’t like about the USCCA is the best evidence of their motive ), but that same self preservation mentality puts them boat with the $$&*&@@) politicians. They are less concerned about their members priorities than protecting their own nest & power base. And with the same, dare I say self serving, justification. “We are the ones in the best position to decide what’s in the best interest of our constituents.” or “Trust me, I AM the government and I am here to help”.

    For the record: I have not joined USCCA for purely economic reasons, combined with my and my wife’s unusual situations.

    It’s core is it’s Legal Defense insurance policy which is much more important to the vast majority of people who live in big cities and Libtard jurisdictions where political prosecution from anti-firearm Libtard zealots is an extreme threat.

    [ALL cities are Libtard Jurisdictions as are even “battle ground” states- best example is the PURELY POLITICAL prosecution for the 100% justified, self defense shooting of Trayvon Martin where the local police and prosecutors office CORRECTLY determined that it was self defense but were over ruled by the Governor for purely POLITICAL reasons and thus appointed an overly zealous PERSECUTOR – NOT PROSECUTOR who violated her professional responsibility, going so far as to commit perjury and suppress evidence for purely politically reasons – even admitting that the reason she insisted on an indictment and trial was to (basically) prevent riots.]

    In my case I am retired, live in a semi-rural county in Georgia and try to keep away from those hell holes as much as possible. And if something should happen, the fact that we are 68 & 70 years old would make a political prosecution less likely. I am also a licensed attorney so I feel (hopefully correctly) that I would be better able to handle my (or my wife’s) own defense, at least at the preliminary stages.

    In addition, we own our own home worth about 500K which we could use put up as a property bond, an option that the general public probably doesn’t know about.

    [One of the factors behind the American policy of “You are entitled to the best defense you can afford”, is the cost [10% of the bond amount] those without resources are forced to pay the Bail Bond agent to avoid spending weeks, months or YEARS in jail awaiting a trial. A bond often secured by a lien on the same property which could have been used to secure bail directly from the county, and AT NO COST.

    Not such a big deal for those eventually judged guilty [notice I did not say GUILTY – actual guilt or innocents is only one, and often a minor, factor in the legal environment].
    Again, the POLITICAL PROSECUTION of Zimmerman in a clear self defense case is the best, and most relevant, example I can think of.

  • bobk90

    There must be a ‘justified’ reason as to the why… If USCCA is basically a Insurance Policy than maybe there is an “Investigation” to some criminal activities with them that’s about to be Exposed & the NRA doesn’t want any association with that?

    • PaulWVa

      Great post…..can we assume you work for CNN? Making up “maybe” suppositions that might or might not be true or may have or may not have happened. Sounds like you’re still pissed about the election. In the end I’m sure the “justified” reason will boil down to the usual…..$$$$.

  • Karl Vanhooten

    Not surprised – at least I’m not. NRA, Good Sams Club (campers), AARP, etc., all exist primarily as benefit-promoting (and money-making) organizations (insurance, legal help, buyer discounts, etc.).

    NRA probably felt the competition from USCCA’s particularly aggressive marketing campaigns and the sale of benefits to its members. This directly encroached on what NRA felt like was their money makers. Some “big dogs” are worth taking on; sometimes those big dogs will turn around and bite you.

  • Joe Veteran
  • Ken Alexander

    “Business” will fock up a movement every time. The second amendment is more important than the bottom line but greedy idiots cant see it.

  • Spice54

    Hello!! We don’t even know if it is true! USCCA ‘said’ that the NRA ‘disinvited’ them, but no proof. This is why they whine about the NRA, just to make themselves look like they are ‘a contender’. There are good people in the membership, but it appears the management if more like Michael Moore.

  • Walter Williams

    The NRA is offering the same type of insurance as the USCCA. No big mystery there. I hope the Yankee Marshall’s claim that LaPierre is leaving comes true.

    • PaulWVa

      Last time I looked into it the NRA offered less coverage at a higher price.

      • 22winmag

        What good is any legal coverage if you don’t get any substantial funds to mount a defense UNTIL AFTER a not guilty verdict is reached? A $10,000 or even $25,000 retainer is a peanuts. $100,000+ is often required before a case even gets close to trial.

  • 22winmag

    So have we determined whether or not USCCA pays your legal fees BEFORE a verdict or only after a NOT GUILTY veridict? I’m not talking about the retainer. The retainer is small potatoes. I’m talking about big money UPFRONT legal fees to mount a solid defense… long before a trial even begins, and long before guilt or innocence is established.

    What I read on the USCCA website 6 or 7 months ago was crystal clear: the bulk of the reimbursement for legal fees would only come after a not guilty verdict, which again, is preposterous. Something like 90% of criminal cases end with plea bargains. Very few cases go to trial and even fewer end in not guilty verdicts. Perhaps USCCA changed it’s wording recently???

    • Joe Veteran

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      It is always good to reup on something correcly before you decide to speak on or against it.

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      If you’re involved in a self-defense incident your Critical Response Team will instantly take any and all financial burdens off your shoulders. No deductible, no reimbursement, no out-of-pocket costs to your family…

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  • carlcasino

    Just a SWAG on my part but the NRA may be starting to feel they are being one upped by USCCA and GOA and NAGR. Starting to act like the Democratic Party saying we are the Big Tent while selecting who gets into the tent. They just lost my families memberships. They can go back to being a sporting organization only. I guess a better example is Congress vs. Judicial Watch. Congress Talks, JW Walks.

  • Jimbo

    When I got out if the service in the winter of ’81, it was three months before I got a job. During that time I lived in my in my bare bones van, sleeping in a sleeping bag on the steel floor. I subsisted on peanut butter and stale bread. Even after I got a job and apartment, it was months before I could afford furniture. But I paid my membership fee to the NRA. I didn’t yet own a gun, but the right to bear arms was that important to me. Well, the NRA never sent my membership materials, or magazine. I complained, and got no response. Despite this, I renewed my membership next year. STILL no membership materials! WTF? I was inundated with requests from the NRA-ILA, and I donated HUNDREDS of dollars. Gradually, I started noticing things about the NRA. It was all about hunting trips, Camp Perry, etc. for the NRA bigshots. They never advanced pro gun legislation. All they did was react to anti-gun legislation. The “compromises” always involved gun owners giving up something. I finally got wise, and switched to supporting the 2nd Amendment Foundation, and CCKRBA. But after a few years I concluded by reading their tracts that they have contempt for NY gun owners. So no more contributions. I write Congress, state legislator, news media, etc. I save my money for other things.

  • JJ Seymour

    Outstanding response by the USCCA. I am a Life Patron member of the NRA and a Gold Member of the USCCA and I will remain so. But, that being said, HEY NRA, that’s what Integrity, Professionalism, and Character looks like.

  • gregge

    The NRA is not a no compromise, zero infringement organization. They threw us under the bus when they backed down on the 1986 GCA, and before that on the 1968, and in so many other passages of unconstitutional laws.

    Years ago, the NRA had an article on their website about how the NRA had helped write Washington D.C.’s gun ban laws. I sent an e-mail to Wayne La Pierre asking how the NRA could betray us like that.

    Their only response was removing the article from their website.

    Join the USCCA and/or the JPFO if you want to participate in an organization that stands by the 2nd Amendment meaning *exactly* what it says. Shall not be infringed means NO infringements on our right to keep and bear arms.

  • missourisam

    My question is, does the USCCA spend the money and time that the NRA does in lobbying for gun rights, and do they contribute to campaigns to get pro gun candidates elected? If they are absent when they are needed, but just collecting dues for their own expenses and profit, then who needs them. The NRA certainly wouldn’t. I would suggest more investigation before condemning the NRA out of hand.

  • PaulWVa

    Not sure what’s going on here. As a member of both I really don’t like the in fighting between two organizations that should be working together. Shooters, hunters and Americans every where just won a great victory over the criminal Left, this no time to turn on each other. The NRA should know better than to piss off the people that they constantly ask for money. I will be watching this closely as I decide what to do with my membership fees. Remember this NRA….Hillary lost because she said and did stupid things that America didn’t like…don’t follow her down that road.

  • Capn Stefano

    My girl and i quit the NRA way back during the Klinton years when they basically caved on the 1994 AWB. They also didn’t assist our grassroots group whatsoever when we asked for help against the Cali AWB back in the 1980s. I had researched just how poorly this org had protected the 2nd Amendment in the past, such as the verifiable fact that they helped write the 1934 NFA, which was 100% unconstitutional. GOA and other groupos yes, top heavy NRA ‘crats, no. Sending your money to the NRA isn’t going to save the 2nd Amendment, YOU must get off your ass and work grass roots activism, and bring more shooters to the line while educating them

    • QuadGMoto

      Then there’s the 1986 FOPA which contains the #$@%@#$ Hughes Amendment. The NRA convinced Reagan to sign it saying that it was a net positive and that they would work to overturn the #$@%@#$ Hughes Amendment, and then didn’t.

  • Dr Duke (not David)

    I have to give Tim credit for taking the high road and pledging to support the NRA in it’s mission even if the NRA doesn’t support the USCCA. I think Tim realizes that our gun rights are on a knife’s edge right now and this is not the time for infighting and distractions.

    Having said that, the marketing of the USCCA has always bugged me. It seemed familiar. It reminded me of those “business opportunities” advertised on late night TV. Turns out there is a reason for that. For a low,low fee Mr. Schmitt will share his marketing secrets with you so you can be rich like him. http://timschmidt.s3.amazonaws.com/Turn-Mandkinds-Deepest-Need-Into-Cash-TribalMarketing.pdf

  • John Hand w/gunpermit

    I belong to both NRA and USCCA. Recent joiner of USCCA and have been impressed with the quality of the material they send. He asks for money of course, but so does the NRA and the USCCA produces so much more.

    Don’t know about on the national front, lawsuits and all that. The NRA might be the frontrunner, but regardless, I will not be attending the NRA convention in Atlanta this year even though it is just one state away.

    I think the USCCA is correct, the NRA fears them as a competitor.

    • 22winmag

      Tactical Tim vs. the NRA

      Oh boy.

  • Leon Singleton

    Maybe its because they are a spam and info mill. Please support the cause while we market your info. I filled out one of their dispatches against my better judgement and now my home is being invaded by spam… slice the pie on that. PISSED me off.

    • PaulWVa

      Must be nice to have a life where “spam” is such a serious issue. My computer has a button that says “delete” on it….you should get one. “invaded by spam”….LOL….I’ve got use that. “Sorry boss, I can’t work today. I was invaded by spam”. Seriously I hope to wake up to a day where spam is such a concern that it can “piss me off” …until then I have enough real problems to deal with.

  • BillyOblivion

    The really IMPORTANT question is why is there Chipotle advertising on your site?

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      Bills have to be paid.

      • BillyOblivion

        Yeah, but do *they* know?

      • BillyOblivion

        Does Chipotle know?

        • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

          Hell if I know. I don’t know a thing about our ads other than they are there because bills gotta be paid.

          • Mel Kimlinger

            Gee, Patrick, we thought that this website and it’s information was presented free of charge simply out of the goodness of The Firearm Blog’s heart! LOL

            Jus’ messing with you. Yep – bills have to be paid.

  • Mike Kevins

    The enemies strategy is to divide and conquer. Any thing we do to divide ourselves makes us all weaker. The NRA is supposed to be a non-profit, or so I thought. The NRA seems to be run by a bunch of politicians only concerned with themselves, much like their counter parts n Congress.

  • Rock Island Auction

    Makes one wonder when two separate shows drop them. Whatever the reasoning, I do appreciate the classy response from the USCCA.

    • The NRA also hosts the Great American Outdoor Show. The latter was created to replace the Eastern Sports & Outdoor Show after its host Reed Exhibitions pulled the plug on the event in 2013 after 30 years. Vendors had pulled out en masse after Reed Exhibitions decided to unilaterally ban “assault weapons” from display. As a result, Reed Exhibitions was also fired by the NSSF from hosting the SHOT Show in 2014.

  • James Jeong

    Just heard a radio ad for NRA Carry Guard here in Georgia. Is this a new thing and why the USCCA was disinvited?

    • John Richardson

      Yes. They also just dropped Second Call Defense from the show and the founder of that is actually a NRA Board Member – Sean Maloney.

  • Disarmed in CA

    Are we sure that’s a real Tim Schmidt email? I mean, it’s way too short and there is only 1 font and no embedded video..

  • John Richardson

    For those like me who wondered why the USCCA was booted from the NRA Annual Meeting, I think we have an answer.

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-introduce-new-concealed-carry-training-insurance/

  • John Brown Jr

    Until all of the FUDDS in leadership positions are shown the door, up to and including the FUDD leader Wayne LaPierre, these things will continue to happen, and I will continue to not support the NRA.

  • Sam Ruez

    The NRA is promoting Concealed Carry Weapons classes and insurance for CCW. It’s all about the money….NRA-LLC

  • Fox Hunter

    USCCA should push the abolition of the NFA, hughes, 68 GCA ,armor piercing bullet ban, import bans of guns and ammo especially 7n6, full time! Imagine being able to conceal carry a full auto SBR uzi or MP5 loaded with steel core armor piercing +p+ rounds of your favorite pistol caliber.

  • Jack Farquhar

    I’m afraid the NRA has a hard time realizing that they are no longer the only game in town. They are unused to having competitors and are fighting to remain relevant. My guess is that they will be rolling out their own version of CCW insurance in an effort to compete with the excellent product offered by USCCA.

  • Smedley54

    Ever hear of “NRA Carry Guard”? Surely this is just a coincidence…

  • Ruger Shooter

    Comparing USCCA to NRA self defense insurance coverage is a no brainer; USCCA wins hands down for less money. Seems like the NRA is afraid of competition from them. I belong to both and will continue with USCCA, but the NRA membership I think I will just let expire. They hound me for money I don’t have incessantly with very expensive mailings; save that money and put it to better use. Tim’s outfit is superb, IMO.

  • Marko

    I read the above article on Saturday, an low and behold yesterday(Tuesday), I received the May issue of the American Rifleman. There was a two page introduction to the NRA “Carry Guard” It all becomes clear.

  • Simcha M.

    Yesterday I got my American Rifleman magazine in the mail and the cover was an announcement for the NRA’s new CCW insurance program. Well, that would explain it, but I still don’t know why the NRA would drive a wedge between the 2nd Amendment community. Sad.

  • MadDog

    Just got my latest issue of Shooting Illustrated and it’s pretty clear why USCCA was uninvited: http://www.nracarryguard.com. I am and will remain an NRA member (and am not a USCCA member) but I think it’s pretty low to uninvite a vendor just a couple of weeks prior to the event. I’m sure the NRA has known for some time that they had this planned, the timing for the announcement, etc…NRA may fight for gun rights but they obviously don’t live by the Golden Rule. Just another crappy big corporation.

  • nate

    NRA is offering self protection insurance now, it is a competition thing

  • Ron Swanson

    The NRA is a scam. Their promo products are garbage too. (probably made in China.)

  • Rickey Morris

    If you are an NRA Member, any of the books they send you this month tells the whole story. The outside wrapper is the NRA G Carry Guard Gold Program (insurance) Quote ” Introducing America’s Most Comprehensive Coverage and Training for those who Carry A Gun.” So you kick one of your main Supporters and Friends to the Curb two weeks before by pulling the invitation away without comment hoping no one figures it out! If this is how the NRA treats one of it’s long time supporters and until this, (Friends they worked with) I’m not sure I want to continue my membership with them. They really need to get in front of this or it just sits there smoking like a Dung Fire! Greed is a nasty Friend NRA..

  • james connolly

    All the NRA does is communicate with IMFO. about their Legislative programs and requesting money.I have never found anything of interest in any of their mailings.I wonder if it would be appropriet (sp) to inform them of the excellent programs that USCCA offers and backs up.

  • Tom Currie

    Well, now we know why USCCA was kicked out of the exhibit hall – the NRA has their own insurance program and they definitely don’t want members comparing the cost and coverage against competitors like USCCA

    https://d3rmvquxnxa9wt.cloudfront.net/pdf/guides/USCCA_CarryGuard_ComparisonChart.pdf

  • Michael Tinsley
  • Regular Guy

    Join the GoA. It’s the only no Pro2A No Compromise organization in Washington.

  • Kurt

    This is the UGLY side of the NRA. Yes we need them to help fight for our rights. But on the other side we have this company that is in it to make money for themselves. They should invite ALL organizations involved with firearms. Right now they come across as one HOT SMELLY TURD…………………

  • Karl Vanhooten

    Ahh, now it all makes sense. Breaking NRA news as of 5/3/2017:

    “The National Rifle Association of America has launched NRA Carry Guard,
    a program created to provide America’s most comprehensive insurance and
    legal coverage, as well as best-in-class training for those who carry a
    gun. NRA Carry Guard members can access many great benefits including
    legal assistance and the ability to select their own counsel, as well as
    immediate access as needed to supplementary payments for bail, legal
    retainer fees, compensation while in court and more. NRA Carry Guard is
    the only membership program for self-defense insurance and training
    developed and supported by the NRA, representing the next evolution in
    freedom’s defense from the most powerful civil rights organization in
    American history. ” – NRA/American Rifleman

  • Jimmy D

    Maybe because USCCA are scammers who promote the carefully *embellished* stories of liars in their videos?