Beautiful UK DeLisle Carbines

AR15.com member ‘Bradders’ posted details about a Scottish company producing stunning replicas of the WWII speciality weapon the DeLisle Carbine. Even though I am not a .45ACP user, I have always been a big fan of the ‘love-it-or-hate-it’ styling of the DeLisle. So I ask him if he wouldn’t mind if I posted his pictures here for TFB readers.

Unfortunately for American customers, importation of NFA items is heavily restricted, so the civilian purchase of one of these specimens is impossible without an act of God. And while there a handful of Yank DeLisle builders, the below examples are some of the nicest I’ve ever seen.

Our United Kingdom shooting sports brethren definitely have their own challenges when it comes to lawful gun ownership, however this is one of those times when I’m envious. These DeLisle’s are gorgeous.

I’ll let Bradders explain the details:

[The DeLisle Carbine] is something that always generates interest over here, possibly not least because we love a good old Commando raid, but also there’s something about clandestine weapons.

Built around the action of a SMLE, they were rebarrelled in .45 ACP, had a shortened throw bolt and uses 1911 mags. I believe there were only around 130 built during WW2, mainly for use knocking sentries over, but there have been countless replicas built since.  Some good, some not so good.

Here are some of the better ones.

A friend of mine wanted one, and we did a bit of searching. There’s a few available for sale, but we also scored an ex Bahraini SMLE last week for £200 with the plan of converting it, however…

There is a company in Scotland called Shandwick Engineering, and they have been building and perfecting them for the last 20 years. Their ones are the ones that all others are judged by.

I contacted them and enquired about converting the SMLE we have, but they said it would probably be cheaper to buy one of the ones they make, and in fact they have one ready to go, so they sent me some pics.

This is their Demo/display model:

DeLisle

DeLisle Carbine on Wikipedia



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  • VanDiemensLand

    Very, very cool. British Royal Marine Commandos were some scary Mofos, in a good way.

    • Tassiebush

      If I could get just one of our crappy laws relaxed then I think owning this might be it.

      • ThatOneChap

        If you live in the UK, this is easier to own than a fullbore boltaction. Pistol calibre, so more rifle clubs will have easier access to ranges that can handle it, suppressed, so noise concerns are non-existent.

        • Tassiebush

          I don’t (Australian) but that makes good sense.

      • PersonCommenting

        A US Company called Novem makes these as well and I really want one.

        • jcitizen

          I went there – looks like only kits are available now as they say no more Enfields are to be found.

          • Secundius

            Try Gibbs Rifle Company of West Virginia, they Produce No. 5 Enfield Jungle Carbines and Accessories…

          • jcitizen

            Sweet! That led me to the Old West Scrounger – I always wondered what happened to them – I’ve been behind the times with this internet thing! I’m an old dog! Good to see some of us still in business!

          • Secundius

            Another company worth Trying is OOW (Ohio Ordnance Works), they make Reproduction M1903 and BAR’s (Auto and Semi) and a Bunch of Others. Not 100% Curtain if Anything in .303 British…

          • jcitizen

            It has been a while since I visited their site – I always enjoyed their ads on the “Firearms News”. I’ve been surprised at the re-emergence of surplus .303 ammo on the market – it shoots very well in a Bren LMG that my friend owns. My brother loves his Enfield – gives me the itch for something along that line. I’ve always admired this .45 repro idea too. To me it was always one for the more seriously good designs for sentry elimination. Since I’m not really a collector, any good bolt modified design similar would do – it is just that it is hard not to have a soft spot for anything Enfield.

          • Secundius

            Not a Collector either! For ME its the Hunt (Scavenger Hunt and the History Of” that Drives Me. I prefer Battle Rifles of the Past, as Opposed to Combat Rifle of the Now and Future. I quite Content at Sitting at a Rifle Range “All Day”, Shooting One Round at a Time. I can Pretend to be Sergeant Timothy Murphy, Sharpshooter of Old (1777)…

          • jcitizen

            I’d love to own a P14/17 Enfield someday. I fell in love with them using them on color guard. If I were to have one old battle rifle, that one would be it! I can appreciate the action on the English Enfields as well, since they are probably military history’s best for such a smooth action. I was shocked at how accurate my brother’s rifle is – although partly it was the Indian surplus ammo using cordite powder.

          • Secundius

            Redacted my First Comment I See! ANYWAY? Subscribe to (GunBroker . com) Newsletter for Updates on Pending Vintage Rifle Sales like for either the Enfield P14 and/or P17 Rifles. Imperial Chemical Industries of Canada, NOW owned by ArzoNobel of North America, still produce “Cordite” Propellants. Cordite is used in Ejection Seat Rocket Motors used by Martin-Baker Company. Or if your into Reloading yourself, Modern Equivalent to Cordite is “Rifleibe” Propellants. For WWI .303 British Rifles, they recommended usage is about 38-grains of Rifleibe Propellant…

  • Michael Rice

    That is SWEEEET! Shame we can’t import them ‘easily’. This one also looks like it can take unmodded 1911 mags. The few replicas and originals I’ve gawked at require a extra bit added onto the 1911 mag.

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    • ThatOneChap

      If you like that, you should see the Armalon gallery rifles chambered in a variety of calibers, mostly using Glock magazines.

    • Secundius

      I believe it takes standard M1911 magazines types, even aftermarket High Capacity types…

  • Stephen Paraski

    Beautiful Artwork. Like the correct safety wire.

  • Ninoslav Trifunovic

    No doubt this is the best looking De Lisle I’ve ever seen. But, how about accuracy? Originals were such poor performers in that field.

    • Bradders

      Accuracy at 50yds was making a raggedy hole (seriously) but it was shooting about 8″ high, so we need to pack the front sight

    • Brian Mc

      Really ? Where is this documented ? The only reference to accuracy I read about was when the inventor tested the prototype by aiming at a duck at 100 yards. He hit it right in the middle but was upset as he had been aiming for the head !

      • Ninoslav Trifunovic

        @Bradders, Glad to hear that. Suppressed weapons could be really accurate if properly made.
        @Brian Mc Silencer, History and performance vol. 2 by Alan C. Paulson. 10 round group size at 35 yards was between 1.9×2.4 and 8×8.5 inches,100 yards was 17×12, at 200 yards 24×43. In a case of really bad baffle strike, groups were even larger.

  • JT303

    I think it’s because our laws are so restrictive, only the most dedicated remain in the field of making firearms – it’s not a casual endeavour. These people have the time, money and resources to make high-quality products, and so what we do produce is of high quality. Manufacturers like H&H, Westley Richards, Boxall and Edmiston and BSA are all examples of this. The pre-war SMLEs were also very well-finished products. Naturally, the SA80 doesn’t make it onto the list, but I think that’s more a reflection of a single product than the industry in general.

    • ThatOneChap

      Add Lantac and Accuracy International to that list.

    • The Deplorable Boogur T. Wang

      As good an explanation as any.

  • jay

    I wonder if you could still do the Mad Minute? And would anyone alive hear it? ;-}

    • gusto

      mad minute with a 45acp?

      you gotta aim straight up to lobb those suckers in at 500yards

      • jay

        So you are saying you could hit a barn, if next to it? ;-}

  • Kovacs Jeno

    * too beautiful to shoot *

    Want one. Is the suppressor fake?

    • Mr Mxyzptlk

      Its real. Suppressors are actually easier to get in the UK than in the USA, as with most European countries. In fact, an integrally suppressed firearm is easier to get than a regular one with a separate silencer, as it only takes up a single slot on your firearm certificate without having to use a separate one for the silencer. As with all firearm in the UK you have to state a purpose for it being suppressed, but we accept hearing protection and reducing noise pollution as a reason for owining suppressors so it is never an issue.

      • Kovacs Jeno

        I know the suppressors are legal in UK, but not in my country.

    • Bradders

      No it’s real

  • Blake

    Thanks, these are fantastic.

    PSA: for mere mortals wanting something similar, SIA makes the Novem:
    http://www.specialinterestarms.com/index.php?page=novem
    http://www.specialinterestarms.com/DSC01789.jpg

  • Tim

    Very, very, very, very, very cool.

  • Badwolf

    Bolt action rifle in pistol caliber with threaded barrel to mount a suppressor and takes glock mags. How hard can this be to make in America?

    • randomswede

      If the $200 bonus on suppressors “disappears” I think there will be a surge on products of this kind.

    • Mike

      I second this. Think Ruger ranch rifle. Or Savage (can’t think of model Number) their .22 with 16in threaded barrel with rain on top. Scout rifle.

  • nate

    I want two or three or four of these. would make such a cool critter gitter or ranch style rifle

  • The_Champ

    Everyone says they would buy one if available, but I doubt that’s true. High price, the curse of low production numbers and high build quality. I can only imagine that the cost of these beauties is very high, and something most people won’t pay.

  • Bradders

    Thanks for posting my pics 🙂

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      Thanks for letting us use them. Well done.

  • Cal S.

    Shooting .45acp at 200yds be all like…

    … Wait for it…

    • ThatOneChap

      Well, it wasn’t intended for shooting at 100 yards plus, in addition, the modern market for this would be for collectors (who don’t care about the accuracy) and for gallery rifle shooting, which takes place at about 25 to 50 yards.

      • Cal S.

        Not necessarily. With the HPA potentially passing, integrally-suppressed rifles like this could be popular again!

    • Secundius

      I have a Yugoslavian Zastava M48 (98k Mauser near copy) chambered to fire the .45acp. That can Easily “Reach Out and Touch Something (one)” at ranges of 250-meters or more…

      • Cal S.

        I know, it’s a joke with hyperbole.

      • jcitizen

        Thompson SMGs can reach out there pretty well, I see no reason why this can’t. I found shooting from higher ground gave good range with a 12″ barrel w/Cutts compensator.

        • Secundius

          Probably true! But how much are you willing to Spend? Conversion Kits for the Zastava M48 start at ~$160.00 USD…

          • jcitizen

            There is an idea! Is that what I saw at your link? – I looked around in a hurry and saw those ‘Mausers’. I’ll have to check it out tomorrow. Thanks a bunch!

          • Secundius

            Also try either Egypt, Indonesia, or Pakistan. They STILL Produce 98k Mauser’s in the Original Pattern…

          • jcitizen

            I humbly appreciate your posts here! :8}

          • Secundius

            Your Welcome! And Good Luck on the “Hunt”…

  • PersonCommenting

    Can they even own these?

    • BOB

      If by ‘them’ you mean the british then yes of course we can own these. We can own any .22lr semi auto, any caliber bolt action and for some reason we can have magazine fed shotguns (and slugs) and you can suppress any of them as long as you sort it out with the police first. It’s not a hassle my mp5 .22 is suppressed.

      • PersonCommenting

        But can you own a 45 acp mag fed bolt gun? I would think since handguns are out 45 acp would be hard to find over there. I know you can rent handguns at a club but still not a lot of people doing that I would imagine.

        • BOB

          Yes we are allowed, you can stick an extended mag in it too since we have no mag limits. We have an awful lot of pistol caliber carbines and long barrel revolvers so there is no shortage of pistol cal ammo or brass at all.

          • PersonCommenting

            Very interesting. Thanks for informing me.

  • Capn Stefano

    Supposedly we have a God given RKBAs, but you can’t obtain a 75+ year old antique design supressed carbine from Britain

    We have been lied to all our lives and told we were free. No one is more enslaved that he who believes he is free in this matrix of lies

    • Secundius

      And your Solution to the Problem is WHAT?

      • Capn Stefano

        Overturn the 1934 and 1968 Acts. Act like men again , get off the couch and get to rallies, work for pro 2nd elected officials. Boycott anti weapon businesses

        I’ve been an activist for 28 years, and it’s pathetic how few we get at rallies, local orgs, etc.. but millions will send their money to a huge national group that helped write the ’34, and until recently didn’t do squat to restore liberties

        If that doesn’t work, how far are you willing to go? Or are you fat and sassy, and not willing to do what the Founders did? I don’t need a response, what you do is on you…

  • nick

    OK! That’s just cool .

  • rambo jones

    I would buy one of those in a heart beat! what a cool gun.

  • jcitizen

    Interesting!! Here I thought cordite went the way of history! I was impressed with it, even though those Indian primers were probably corrosive.

    • Secundius

      Depends on What They Actually Used? Mercury Fulminate or Potassium Chlorate! I Suspect the Latter, because they (the Indians) knew of Potassium and the Properties of Potassium. Mercury Fulminate (Fulminated Quicksilver) was a Little beyond their Technical Grasp…