[SHOT ’17] New Multicaliber FIGHTLITE MXR Subguns

For one reason or another, the pistol caliber carbine (PCC) and subgun product development market has seen a resurgence in the last few years. Just when everyone thought that 5.56mm short barreled rifles did everything a 9mm carbine could do – and better – consumers have built and bought massive amount of PCC’s. FIGHTLITE, a company known for beltfed capable upper receiver groups for the AR platform, has just announced the MXR – a submachine gun or PCC pistol capable of tool-less caliber changes.

With more details to be released this week, the MXR appears to be built on a proprietary AR-like lower and upper receiver combination that accepts Glock patterned magazines. The barrel also looks like it is mounted with a knurled barrel nut forward of the Keymod-equipped handguard.

The press release states that the MXR will be chambered in 9mm as its base caliber, but can be transformed into a .22LR, .45ACP or ‘other popular pistol calibers’. I’m intrigued.

Initial specifications also promise that the new PCC will be ‘suppressor capable’ – a must in a polite society.

This gun looks fun and I’m looking forward to learning more in the days ahead.


MXR


FIGHTLITE MXR Press Release:

(Melbourne, FL) January 11, 2017 – FightLite® Industries, the country’s leading manufacturer of innovative, mission-configurable firearms, parts and accessories announces that it will be introducing several new groundbreaking products at SHOT Show Booth #7406 in the Law Enforcement section of the show.

The annual SHOT Show is being hosted at the Sands Convention Center in Las Vegas January 17-20, 2016.

“We’re really excited to bring these new products to market and topping the list is our new patent-pending MXR™, a multi-caliber sub gun that is primarily chambered in 9mm and is caliber convertible at the user level without tools to include .22LR, .45ACP and other popular pistol calibers.” said Geoffrey Herring, President-CEO. “The compact MXR™ is suppressor capable and will also convert to accept a variety of pistol magazine types including Glock, Beretta, CZ, SIG and many others. We originally developed the MXR™ as a select-fire submachine gun in response to an international L/E requirement, but we look forward to bringing the semi-auto pistol and rifle versions of this excellent design to the US civilian market through our Distributor and Dealer network.

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FightLite® Industries is a privately held company that designs and manufactures lightweight and technologically advanced firearms and firearm accessories for Military, Law Enforcement, US civilian shooters and Foreign Governments. Originally founded in 1997 as “ARES Defense Systems” by company CEO and avid shooting enthusiast Geoffrey A. Herring; the company began a name transition to FightLite® Industries in mid-2016 to be more reflective of its product offerings and to honor its R&D division that conceives and develops the company’s ideas and inventions.

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  • Joe

    I’d like to see a PCC with the Hera CQR stock and foregrip.

    I’ll take one of these in 9mm, .22, and 10mm.

  • wetcorps

    Seems to me the “all you need is a 5.56 AR” crowd is a vocal minority. They might be right but people just like PCCs.

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      Truth

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      I love me some subsonic 9mm PCC.

    • Bill

      “Vocal minority?” How many PCC owners had an AR prior to getting a staple gun? Liking something is cool: I like my .22s, but have no illusion as to their suitability for certain tasks.

  • A Fascist Corgi

    The reason why people like pistol caliber carbines is because they’re capable of using their brains. Anyone that advocates using a 5.56 rifle (especially an SBR) for home defense is an idiot. Have fun rupturing your eardrums.

    • Bill

      Ok, I’m an idiot then. A self defense shooting isn’t likely to be fun in any context, and if I need to press the trigger it’s to avoid greater injury than ruptured eardrums.

      You get to a point where loud is loud. Recalling 80’s era Secret Service Agents with their 2.5 inch .357 Magnums, that probably turned my eardrums to leather.

      • lammdm

        So your partially death? 5.56 SBR indoors laughs at .357 magnum, you get hearing damage even with earpros, why do you think .300 blackout is being standardized? It’s not to remove sentries, it’s to use indoors without deafening career soldiers.
        9mm is obsolete due to soft body armor, but for the civilian indoors, where I doubt you’ll be faced with a body armor wearing house thief, it’s sufficient. (Also hot 9mm ammunition out of a carbine can penetrate III-A armor, which would be the most common)

        • iksnilol

          Ummm… if somebody is wearing armor can’t you just shoot them multiple times? I mean, body armor was used even in WW2 and nobody complained about PCCs.

          And what happened to silencers?

          • valorius

            No, level II kevlar will stop dozens of hits from 9mm NATO ball without failing. I’ve personally done lots of testing with body armor.

            If you want to defeat body armor with 9mm, there are about 2-3 cartridges on the market that will even give you a chance.

          • iksnilol

            Yeah, but I done reckon even if it doesn’t go through, the energy that goes through will most likely give you a hurting (and eventually inner bleeding) that’ll buy you time to shoot other parts (IE the groin).

            So pop a couple to the chest (as per standard procedure) and then just shoot for the groin. People can’t move with a shattered pelvis and soft armor doesn’t cover the groin (I knew shooting for the grain had a tactical advantage ever since I played Fallout 1).

          • valorius

            There are lots of videos online of people getting shot at point blank range by AK47s, 12 gauge slugs, and .44 magnums while wearing kevlar and not even being knocked off balance.

            There is one body armor company in South America that requires every employee in the company to be shot while wearing one of their vests. IIRC they use a .357 magnum in their employee tests.

            Remember newtons law of equal and opposite reactions. If a vest stops the round, the impact force on the target is exactly the same as the recoil felt by the shooter.

            That said, the 12 gauge 3″ magnum .50 cal sabot slugs i tested (pumping out over 2500ft-lb of energy) caused massive backforce deformation and would -definitely- have broken ribs.

          • iksnilol

            I dunno, groin shots still seem like a sasfe bet to me.

            But what kind of kevlar were those folks in the vids wearing. I imagine level 3 would resist better than level 2. Also, stopping AKs usually requires some plates as far as I know.

          • valorius

            The main difference between level II and IIIA is the padding used to reduce the backface deformation of the impact. In my own testing of various vests of various threat levels, a lvl II will physically stop almost everything a IIIA will, but it will allow an unacceptable amount of backface deformation to pass NIJ standards.

            The main thing i took away from my tests is that even 20+ year old vests will still perform extremely well, and stop everything they were originally rated to stop. The second biggest thing i took away is that some IIIA vests offer far superior ballistic protection than some of their competitors.

            For instance, my 15 year old level IIIA US Armor vest will stop 5.7x28mm SS-192/195, and even LE only SS-198, but most of the level IIIA vests i tested will not, including some that were brand new.

        • Bill

          No, I’m not even near dead, or deaf, nor will I try to mandate what weapon is best for any given person in any given role. But try to deny that a rifle is ballistically superior to a PCC. the goal of shooting a bad guy is to to stop them right now, and the rifle is undeniably ballistically superior to the pistol, and a PCC is essentially an oversized pistol.

          I’m due for my routine audiology study next month and will let you know how it goes. If you are getting hearing damage while wearing earpro, you’ve got an earpro problem. I’ve trained indoors, in shoot houses, in condemned structures, in buses, watercraft and aircraft and I don’t need to turn the amp to 11. But then I wear plugs with muffs, upon which I’ve spent a small fortune just to safeguard my hearing.

          • lamam

            You make a good point, 9mm even from a carbine is severely underpowered. I think the 9mm carbine is an experts gun because it requires multiple hits on your attacker and a very fast trigger finger. No full auto 9mm uzis or mp5s like the police used to have.
            I’d have doubts over being able to pull the trigger at super fast speeds under the effects of adrenaline.
            This is why the shotgun is recommended so much, only need one trigger pull. Seems to me the rank of firearms for home defense are as follows.
            Bullpup semi auto shotgun
            Bullpup 5.56 rifle
            Bullpup pump action shotgun
            9mm carbine
            Double barrel shotgun (but only with very short barrel)
            It’s important to be able to hold and fire your gun one handed, so you have a hand free.
            The nice thing about shotguns is even with body armour your still doing some blunt trauma damage which might be enough to dissuade.

          • Bill

            My house gun is a 12 gauge pump loaded with 02 Federal Buck with Flight Control wads, which give me nice, tight groups at household distances. It wears a sidesaddle loaded with slugs for when distance grows or penetration is wanted. (I also keep a coach gun at hand for no practical reason other than I like it and it makes me feel like Steve McQueen)

            I haven’t tried it in years and don’t have the current specs at hand, but I’ve fired slugs through soft body armor and it’s whistled right through both panels.

        • valorius

          Once, while in the infantry, i fired about 500rds of linked 7.62mm from a firing position in a MOUT house (M60 MG), using just .mil foam earplugs. It was no problem.

      • Tinkerer

        5.56 is a very effective caliber, for a lot of different roles. If you’re an infantryman that can only use the one rifle that you were issued and nothing else at all, then the 5.56 will let you hit targets farther than an SMG… but less than a “battle rifle”. And consequently, the 5.56 will let you perform CQB with greater ease than with a “battle rifle”… but less than a SMG. In short, the 5.56 is very versatile for different applications… but is NOT the best for specific ones. In this case, the specific application of home defense -in cramped spaces where gunshots really go BOOM- is best served with a caliber that has negligible recoil for fast followup shots, and is less loud than a rifle caliber, while still being more than capable of stopping a two-legged predator.

        • Bill

          If you think that handgun cartridges are “more than capable” of stopping a human in a gunfight you are much more optimistic than me. And if you are happy shooting them with a handgun round, why bother with the weight, bulk and expense of a PCC when presumably you already have a handgun?

          Understand that I have a full-auto agency owned MP5 in 9mm assigned to me, that stays in the armory in lieu of one of several personally owned SA AR15s.

          • Tinkerer

            I don’t just “think” that handgun cartridges are more than capable: I know so, thanks to decades upon decades of testing done by military, law enforcement, firearms and ammunition manufacturers, and millions of end users.
            And why bother with the bulk, weight and expense? Well, pistol caliber carbines routinely shoot with greater accuracy than handguns due to greater stability when shouldered and better sights… while still not being bulkier, heavier or more expensive than a 5.56 rifle.

            Out of curiosity: has a pistol caliber ever failed you to stop an assailant? Has a 5.56 round?

          • Bill

            ‘Well, pistol caliber carbines routinely shoot with greater accuracy than handguns due to greater stability when shouldered and better sights.”

            In what domestic civilian scenario is this important? If a target is far enough away that they need the attributes of a rifle to hit they either don’t need to be shot, or should best be shot with a rifle.

            Again, if it works for you, fine, but let’s not pretend that a PCC is something it isn’t.

          • Tinkerer

            Seriously?
            Seriously! ?
            You’re dismissing a century of data on the effectiveness of pistol caliber rounds, based on your own anecdotal evidence?
            I’m sorry, but you have lost any credibility -and indeed, even respect- that you could have had.

          • Bill

            I’m not sorry at all. You’ve never actually watched a guy walk into an emergency department with 2 bullet wounds, have you? You’ve never read the AAR on the Miami shootout, have you? You’ve never seen a copy of DiMaio’s “Gunshot Wounds,” have you? You’ve never investigated a shooting, have you? You don’t know that only about 20% of ALL gunshot wounds are fatal, do you?

            Help this big dummy out – direct me towards this database with a century of data you’re relying on, I’d like to read it. Or is it all Hollywood?

          • Joe Gamer

            This is true, only 20 percent of handgun gunshots are fatal, for rifles that percentage is CONSIDERABLY higher. Rifle gunshots are such a tiny fraction of total gunshots that it doesn’t affect the total percentage of fatalities though.

          • valorius

            Everyone in the tactical world has all but abandoned PCC’s dude. I guess you didn’t get the memo.

          • valorius

            There are about a gillion videos on line of pistols not stopping attackers immediately.

          • Dracon1201

            I bet you don’t CCW, then…

          • Bill

            You’re mixing your weapons systems. I would have been very uncomfortable sitting for the last 3 hours in the movie theater with a slung AR, whereas my pistol caused no problems at all.

          • tiger

            Just who you expecting to fight? Personally I tend to avoid “Scarface” massed invasions of my drug manison.

          • valorius

            Live in any of a number of big cities in the US, and the choice is not really yours to make.

          • A Fascist Corgi

            I’ve watched hundreds of videos of people being shot with firearms and read several studies on terminal ballistics in order to better understand firearm lethality. Yes, rifles have superior terminal performance, and the human body can be surprisingly resilient. But you simply compensate for the decreased lethality of 9mm by putting more bullets into your target.

            It’s extremely easy to fire several shots into a home invader’s chest since it will typically be within 10 yards. And when possible, aim for the brain and spine.

            And the reason why the extra weight and size of a pistol caliber carbine is worth it is because it’s a lot easier to aim a firearm if it has a buttstock, a vertical grip on the handguard, and a red dot sight. You also get a little bit more muzzle velocity – which creates more terminal performance.

          • Bill

            Are you high?

            “But you simply compensate for the decreased lethality of 9mm by putting more bullets into your target.”
            Thats like claiming 5 Camrys equal one Indy car.

            The idea is to stop the fight with the fewest rounds needed. Each round is an opportunity for a miss and consumes time that your adversary may use against you.

          • A Fascist Corgi

            It’s not like the 5.56 round is a reliable manstopper either.

            I watched an interview from a former Delta Force guy who talked about what his experience was like with shooting tons of people with 5.56 at close range. He was part of a task force that would raid about a dozen high value targets a night in Iraq. He said that tons of guys would survive for several minutes after being shot multiple times with 5.56 in the chest. That’s why he advocated aiming for the brain and spinal cord if you’re trying to put someone down instantly.

            If you really want to put someone down with authority, then you should be advocating that people use something like .308 or buckshot for home defense.

          • datimes

            Many years ago I used to recommend a 12 gauge double barrel coach gun with 00 buck.

          • Bill

            The .mil is far more limited in what round they can choose, though I’m confident that cases and cases of TAP and other controlled expansion rounds made it overseas. Secondly, ancient obsolete .mil doctrine is still in place regarding the wounding of combatants, tying up resources and medics, versus killing them.

            In the domestic LE and .civ world, we can carry whatever round, or rounds we want. I carry only one mag full of ball ammo for when I might need penetration – the rest are all controlled expansion.

            Headshots are easier to recommend than to do. The brain is protected by a bone helmet, and only small parts of it will result in a dead stop, versus a kinetic removal of the elementary school clarinet lessons. The spinal cord is the diameter of a pencil and armored in bone. While both are optimal targets for immediately stopping aggressive action, hitting them consistently on demand during a fight is easier said than done.

            My house gun is a 12 gauge pump loaded with buckshot and wearing a sidesaddle of slugs. Depending on where I am and what I’m doing I still occasionally use one on entries.

          • valorius

            I prefer slugs for home defense, but i live in the boonies.

          • valorius

            Your buddy was stuck using M855 from a short barreled carbine in all likelihood. Not a good combo.

          • valorius

            Modern 5.56mm ammo like black hills 53gr TSX is extremely effective.

          • Stephen Paraski

            Carry a 5.56 in small of back?

          • valorius

            What about when they’re shooting back?

        • valorius

          9mm overpenetrates compared to 5.56mm. And if the guy has on $100 used ebay trade in armor, you’re very likely to be dead before you realize your mistake.

      • A Fascist Corgi

        Why do unnecessary damage to your hearing? In what home invasion scenario would 31 rounds of 9mm Federal HST not be enough? Room clearing military and police units relied on 9mm submachine guns for decades.

        • Bill

          “Room clearing military and police units relied on 9mm submachine guns for decades.”

          And we don’t anymore.

          • iksnilol

            Doesn’t mean it doesn’t work.

            30 rounds of 9mm isn’t that different from 30 rounds of 5.56 regarding use.

          • Stephen Paraski

            Would love me a 9mm sub gun. All those designs from 30s to 80s.

        • valorius

          When the other guy has body armor and is shooting back. A 9mm PCC won’t defeat many, many, many types of run of the mill used ebay body armor.

    • valorius

      One can always hang electronic hearing protection right next to their rifle, like i do. You get enhanced hearing when it comes to quiet sounds to boot.

    • Joe Gamer

      The sound level difference between a 9mm and a .223 carbine is minuscule, in fact it looks like the 9mm is probably louder.
      ¯_(ツ)_/¯

  • diana pierce

    Ruger was absolutely nuts for discontinuing the P9C carbine…. nuts. If anything Ruger should re-emerge it with a slightly more tapered and lighter body construct. Nothing more or less is needed. of course in semi auto and select fire for those so blessed to have one. This little Ruger is an animal that was killed off before its time. Still, they may be had online but for a premium since ‘those in the know’… go after them. Many are stored away and hardly shot.

    • Bill

      Those were HIGHLY under-rated little guns.

      • diana pierce

        As an official ‘knucklehead’ I parted with mine ten or so years back. Then realized the mistake…. since then I did find two 95%ers online … paid the price and let that figure alone. Will not let ’em go this time.

        • Bill

          Glad you rectified your mistake, mine was not getting one in the first place.

          • diana pierce

            the online gun sales biz’s have them pop up now and then. keep an eye open… GunsAmerica for instance. Private owners list them… I bought two with smooth transactions and shipping. is one and theres others too.

          • Bill

            Thanks, will do.

    • iksnilol

      I’d say the same applies to the Marlin Camp Carbines.

    • The_Champ

      The Ruger carbines seem like neat little guns. Never had the chance to handle one. The Deerfield in .44 Mag also seems like a pretty slick bush gun, and you can’t argue with pushing a little more velocity out of that potent .44 mag.

      Of course all of this circles back to the wonderful little M1 carbine which I think was still lighter than any of Rugers modern offerings.

    • tiger

      The Beretta CX4 is a better gun choice.

      • diana pierce

        I think both are superb.

      • iksnilol

        Maybe design wise, but legally speaking; no. At least for me.

  • Bill

    A 5.56mm short barreled rifle can do everything a 9mm carbine could do except shoot cheaper pistol ammo – and better – consumers have built and bought massive amount of PCC’s.

    Note “consumers.” SMGs and PCCs are rapidly becoming extinct in law enforcement. I have a hoot playing with the MP5s, but when the excrement hits the rotary ventilator I’m still rollin’ with a rifle.

    • Tinkerer

      To be fair, a good amount of the transition from pistol caliber SMGs to 5.56 rigles in law enforcement in the USA can be attributed to the massive loans of military hardware to law enforcement agencies at virtually no cost.

    • Dracon1201

      They can’t be suppressed as effectively. That’s great that you have grander plans for your 5.56, but PCCs have an excellent niche.

      • valorius

        suppression is the one area where i really see any relevant role for PCC’s in modern military or LE use.

        I’d much prefer a PDW like a P90 over any legacy 9mm PCC.

  • Rocky Mountain 9

    I’m wondering why they didn’t go with a folding stock. From the looks of it, it really shouldn’t need a buffer tube for anything mechanically functional.

    • Bill

      Your point is well taken, but I believe that the “stock” is actually a Shockwave brace.

  • Nick

    Sign me up for one in 10mm to SBR with a pdw type stock.

  • B-Sabre

    For some reason, that really reminds me of a Beretta M12….mostly with that long stick magazine.

  • valorius

    The first pic is a KAK brace, so the weapon is a pistol and needs no NFA paperwork. The second pic is a SBR, and is a NFA weapon.

  • Zaro27

    I hope they expand to allow 10mm. That’d be a great little carbine for home defense.

  • Joe Gamer

    300 Blackout short barreled rifles and pistols do everything a 9mm carbine can do – and better…
    Except price per round…
    /cry