Hi-Point CF380 .380 Pistol Review & Mud Water Test

In this episode of TFBTV, James reviews at Hi-Point CF380 that he bought from a ProxiBid Auction. ProxiBid is TFBTV’s newest sponsor and, among other things, auctions guns from private estates and commercial retailers. The Hi-Point, of course, has a bad reputation as an ugly and cheaply made gun, but is all the hate really justified? How does the Hi-Point truly perform? And will it fire after being submerged? James finds out in this episode of TFBTV.

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Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


  • Herr Wolf

    Tactical Tight-Tee increases blood flow to fingers resulting in quicker rate-of-fire.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Tactical cloudy day sunglasses aid in panty removal.

      • Homer Simpson

        He needs aid in removing his panties?

    • valorius

      At least he’s not trying to c-clamp it.

  • Richard

    For the ergonomic complaints, you might just be holding it wrong.

  • Anonymoose

    Too bad you don’t have the Hi-Point armor from IV8888, so you can’t really push the gun to its limits.

  • Paul Epstein

    I think the relevant thing about the Hi-Point is, that in it’s price range, there is pretty much no serious competition. Most guns that cost about the same are potentially unsafe, and very few have any redeeming qualities.

    If you’ve got enough to buy something a genuine step up, maybe a police trade in used Glock, sure. But if spending another fifty bucks on a gun means you won’t have any ammo to practice with, that may not be a smart move, a functional gun with some range time beats a moderately better gun that you’ve never fired.

    • Russ

      Thanks for stating the obvious

      • Paul Epstein

        You would think so, but James is talking about stuff like pointing naturally and looking good. This isn’t some handcrafted English over-under, by the time you get to those qualities in a gun in this category you need to sacrifice things like ‘goes into battery’.

        • ozzallos .

          It’s also a firearm that you can bulk up on. One here. One there. You can quite literally make sure there is always a firearm within reach on a budget.

          I mean, I wish they would invest something in aesthetics too, but that completely misses the point of this particular gun.

    • .45

      True, but most of us can skip some Mountain Dew, eating out a couple of times, the latest iPhone case or whatever, and save up enough to get something a little better. Depends on your priorities. I’m not knocking people who genuinely can’t save enough, but a lot of people who say they fall into that category really don’t.

      • valorius

        Most of us don’t live in the worst parts of Detroit, or Chicago and live on a fixed income, while being surrounded by murder, chaos and mayhem- thank god.

  • Klaus

    I say for that price,buy four or five of them, place them strategically through out the house,shop, garage,vehicle and you are good to go. You only have to carry when you leave the compound.

  • .45

    An extra $50-$100 and you can get a Makarov. Better trigger, ergos, slimmer and easier to conceal, accurate, etc. Only downsides are tiny little sights and the hammer can get jammed if you fill it with mud. Oh, and it comes in second to the Hi Point in a pistol whipping contest of course.

    • “9mm mak isn’t sold at walmart, herp derp.”

      • .45

        Now that is a good point. You got me there.

      • lbrty2112

        I haven’t bought ammo at a box store in years. On line is the only way to go.. SG Ammo is a good place to start.

        • The quotations indicated what most people who get their first comcealabe pistol would say.

      • iksnilol

        Maks are also made in .380.

        • Dougscamo

          Dang…hey….I found him….he lives!….

        • Sam Damiano

          9×18 Maks will eat .380 ammo all day.

    • Edeco

      Yep. Strictly speaking I never recommend particular guns to newbs; it’s like Pet Semmetary, you have to pick your own O.O But hypothetically, while surplus guns can be a good deal, they can be quirky and/or used up, whereas an NIB option with factory support…

      • .45

        I’ve shot over a thousand rounds through mine with only a little bit of cleaning, so I lucked out in that regard.

    • lbrty2112

      You left out ‘eats any ammo’.

      • .45

        Well, my Makarov has eaten Tulammo, Brown Bear, Wolf, and most importantly for CCW work, Hornady Hollow Points. So, true story as pertaining to the Makarov, but don’t Hi Points eat everything too?

        • lbrty2112

          I’ve heard the occasional Hi Point FTL story.

    • valorius

      Send him an extra $100, i’m sure he’ll buy a better gun.

    • lurpy

      I’ve got a .380 Makarov and, while I can’t say if it’s worse than a Hi-Point, it’s probably not better. Especially for those of us with big hands, the slide bite on the Makarov sucks. And don’t forget, the Hi-Point, for all the crap it gets, probably has the best warranty in the business–I’ve heard of people buying them secondhand in non-functioning condition, sending them in, and getting a working gun back.

      • I did that with a 995 in an ATI stock for $60 (and buying an oe stock on ebay for $15 to return it with)

        They dislike aftermarket stocks, understandibly.

      • Dougscamo

        I believe that James R plans to do just that…..

      • .45

        OK, OK, I’m wrong. Makarov is only good pistol for weirdos like me with skinny hands and the luck to get a good one in the surplus lottery. ;D

      • Paul White

        and its in calibers that are cheaper/easier to find

  • A bearded being from beyond ti

    Always good to know if my CCW pistol can handle water if i drop it in the toilet.

    • .45

      If it is a Hi Point don’t you just flush and go buy another?

      • A bearded being from beyond ti

        But i spent all my money on .380!

  • Tassiebush

    Oddly the video off the main blog page had Miles covering a sig.

  • Scott Tuttle

    runs better than a Remington!

  • Ark

    Meh. If you’re looking for something that will reliably kill a person and that you won’t be heartbroken about having to throw into Lake Michigan, you can’t really beat a Hi-Point.

    They have a reputation for a reason. We all know their target market.

    • valorius

      Poor people…you have a problem with poor people?

    • J. Murphy

      Right, because if I’m a “gangbanger”, and I want to procure a firearm for purpose of “Bustin a cap in yo ass”, what I’m going to do, instead of simply stealing a pistol or purchasing it illegally, is go through the whole Illinois bureaucracy for handgun ownership and carry, purchase the handgun legally, then use it to kill the gentleman I have a “beef” with, and dispose of it in Lake Michigan.

      Leaving a massive paper trail that leads right back to me and grantees I’m going to jail for first degree murder.

      • Nashvone

        Even the black market has a mark up for quality. $300 for a hot Glock or $50 for a hot Hi Point? I’ll keep the $250 if I knew I was only going to use it once and pitch it off a bridge.

        • J. Murphy

          My point is that Hi Point aren’t making any money off that illegal sale. So how is it their “target market”?

    • Tassiebush

      I worry you might have inadvertently adopted some of the anti propaganda with the whole “Saturday night special” labelling of cheap guns. They’ve deliberately sought to make affordable guns look sinister. But this has a large legitimate intended market. People who need guns but don’t use them much. It’s just like buying a cheap socket set. You know it’ll work okay for the intended job without necessarily being what you’d get for a lot of work. It fits the need now while not putting other priorities on hold. Besides this hipoint have deliberately worked on making projectiles traceable as a means of trying to make it less suitable for criminal use.

  • InfidelCrusader

    Certainly wouldn’t be my first choice, or even my second or third, but if it was all I had at my disposal I could work with it.

  • Vitor Roma

    More reliable than the VP9. Haters gonna hate.

  • Dougscamo

    Iksnilol must be gravely ill or worse….James R wore the Tight T-shirt for him….before surrendering to good sense and putting on a jacket….and he (Iksnilol) hasn’t said a damn thing!….I’m worried….

    • .45

      I kind of liked the jacket. That and the sunglasses gave me kind of a private security vibe, whereas the t-shirt just says bro-dude.

      • Dougscamo

        Unless you are talking contractor private security….private security isn’t exactly well regarded in the LE world….just sayin’….
        He works better as bro-dude……

        • Tassiebush

          Given that we’re talking Iksnilol and his reaction to James I was wondering if he meant “Private” as in the company that produces adult material. Maybe he’s been lobbying them to make an adult parody. It’ll probably be called TFDP or something!

          • Dougscamo


          • Tassiebush

            Iksnilol is an enigmatic figure really. I sometimes imagine given his inclination to quote rap that he might look like Vanilla Ice or the rapper from that Finnish group Bomfunk MC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymNFyxvIdaM&sns=em

          • iksnilol

            Finnish kid from one of the best hiphop songs? Really, me?

            I literally can’t even anymore. Think less Finnish kid and more Miami Vice villain with short beard (I love me some piques in pastel colors).

          • Tassiebush

            Oh so like the singer from datarock.

          • iksnilol

            Scary part is how close that was in spite of me never wearing tracksuits :O

            Mother of God is all I can say.

          • Tassiebush

            Haha well do you have anecdotes about finding love at computer camp?

          • iksnilol

            I never went to computer camp… does Easter Bus Gulag count ?

          • Tassiebush

            Hmm I have no idea?

        • .45

          OK, I admit, I have little experience with private security, so how do you mean? LE thinks bodyguards and rich people’s security are like mall cops? Act like they are Navy SEALs? What?

          (A martial arts instructor I know likes to talk about the time he dropped a rocker’s bodyguard twice with ease and then turned down the rocker’s offer of becoming his new bodyguard. The bodyguard was just a big bodybuilder and couldn’t fight at all…)

          • Dougscamo

            Not contractors….private security like mall cops….the ones that work at the mall or other private locations….cops….
            Most dangerous guy (physical prowess) I know looks like the Pillsbury Dough Boy…and smiles all the time…so it is hard to judge effectiveness just by looks….
            But from 32 years of LE work, the guys I always dreaded getting into with all fit the same “profile”…..5-9 to 6-1 weighing about 175-195 pounds….long, lean muscles….that worked all day doing construction or similar manual labor….put enough alcohol or drugs into them and you’ve got your hands full….

          • .45

            OK, I don’t want to keep dragging this out, but “I gots ta know.” Why do LE have a bad view of private security?

          • Dougscamo

            Let me answer that with a question…how many mall cops do you know that you would trust making life and death decisions on the street?…once again….not talking private contractors that have prior LE or military experience….

          • .45

            OK. Sorry for being dense.

      • Trey

        Looked like subdued Miami Vice.

    • Edeco

      Perhaps it’s night-time in the part of not-America that he’s a foreigner from, and he’s sleeping.

      • Tassiebush

        Man speaking as one of those myself that was awesome to read!

        • Edeco

          Thanks *bows*

      • Dougscamo

        Nah….he never sleeps….

        • Tassiebush

          But I think sunlight might be lethal to him.

    • Don Ward

      It says “transcript coming soon”. Just like Iksnilol when he watches this video.

      Hey oh!

  • Jim N Jenna SK

    Cheapest gun to highlight the newest sponsor. And I don’t like this guy as much as Alex. Just sayin’

    • .45

      He isn’t exactly new, and give him time. He’ll grow on us, like… Ummm… Tight T-shirt joke here.

      • Jim N Jenna SK

        I gave him time already.

    • iksnilol

      “Just sayin'”

      And I’m “just sayin'” you should maybe be silent on things you are not well informed about.

      • Marc

        He seems to be very well informed about his opinion.

        • iksnilol

          Anybody that dislikes James is quite simply suspicious in my eyes… and probably lacks good eyesight.

          • Dougscamo

            Been waiting eagerly for well over 12 hours for your response….glad to see you’re not incapacitated….

          • iksnilol

            Well, you know, earth is sorta round and the burning skyball follows us differently 😛

          • Dougscamo

            Only 6 hours over the horizon….and that hasn’t stopped you in the past…. 🙂

          • iksnilol

            S***, you’re onto me.

            *crashes through window while twirling mustache*

            [James Bond theme starts playing]

          • VanDiemensLand

            This thread made my week 😀

          • Jim N Jenna SK

            I as well. And yea it’s just my opinion, I just liked Alex’s approach more. Not trying to knock on James, rather I would like Alex to come back for a couple videos from time to time is all I’m “sayin” lol.

  • valorius

    It’s ugly as sin to us, but if you’re a single mom or older person in the ghetto and that’s all you can afford, a high point is worth it’s weight in gold.

    • That is a lot of gold! ??????

      • valorius

        LMAO it sure is. 😀

  • hikerguy

    It’s ugly with really bad ergos but it runs flawlessly. That’s ironic. Won’t be buying one, though.

  • Tassiebush

    It’s a good example of a gun built for people who need a gun but aren’t overly interested in guns. I think it’s a very reasonable solution to their needs.

  • MrBrassporkchop

    All the hate for hi points makes me want one.

    • Get the carbine, you won’t be disappointed.

  • gunsandrockets

    Aesthetic design from the prop department of Planet of the Apes…

    Probably makes sense to spend the extra $20 for the 9mm version if one is going to buy a Hi-Point handgun.

  • drglide

    You are much too full of yourself. I want a review of the gun, not your prejudices. Give me the facts, I can make my own judgments.

  • Vizzini

    I would totally put a Hi-Point 9mm carbine on my top ten list of “Home Defense Guns for People Not Interested in Guns” — small (for a rifle); light; easy-to-handle; easy to point; negligible recoil; fairly quiet.

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  • John

    As I have said before, I you CAN’T wait and save a bit more, or you just want to learn to shoot, the Hi Point is fine. If you CAN afford to wait a bit and buy better OR you need it for personal defense, I would get a better brand even if it’s used.

    Most of the videos don’t show Hi Points constantly failing, while many other brands such as Keltec, do have constant fail vids.

  • Beju

    I’ve wondered how many people are alive today because a poorly to not at all maintained Lorcin/Bryco/Jennings/Rohm malfunctioned after the first shot.

  • 7.62x54r

    The overly manicured man firearm blog.

  • 22winmag

    Affordable guns with warranties for poor people. Just insert some Liberty Civil Defense ammo and you’ll triple it’s effectiveness.

  • Jacob

    I own the 9mm Carbine (old style) and the 9mm pistol. Both are great. The pistols are ugly as sin, but they go bang when you pull the trigger and are pretty accurate. They’re your toolbox or tackle box gun. What you’re not afraid to get beat up. And if it ever stops, they have probably the best warranty so you just send it back.

  • Sam Damiano

    I had a J-22 that I bought off of a friend who needed a few bucks and sold back to him a few months latter for a few bucks plus the price of the two spare mags I bought. I never carried it but it would reliably make fist sized groups. It had an aluminum part and a plastic part that I’d like to remake in steel. Other than the aluminum cup the firing pin spring collapsed into and the plastic safety lever fit and finish were pretty good.
    As for the Hi Point line, my dad had a .45 ACP that made decent groups but the sight didn’t have enough range to center them at 25 yards. You could fill the mag with random rounds including cast reloads and run right through it.

  • Sam Damiano

    For a house gun they are reasonable. For a carry gun when you go empty you have the heaviest club on the block. If I hadn’t shot one in .45 I’d probably be in the bad mouth crowd. Always went bang, cycled anything from target reloads up to +P. I’d like to try the carbine.
    If I didn’t have the collection I have and needed a couple of farm guns I’d buy a couple pistols and a carbine. Can’t get $99 SKS’s anymore.

  • Toxie

    Could James PLEASE stop wearing his son’s clothing?
    All joking aside, decent video (but cmon man, get a jacket with sleeves that fit).