Converting 9mm P.A.K to fire .380, resulting failures

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9mm P.A.K stands for “Pistole Automatik Knall”, or Pistol Automatic Blank, in German. The round is a popular proprietary blank firing cartridge made for a number of blank firing handguns. In Russia, a rubber bullet variant, the 9mm P.A is legal for civilian usage. The cartridge is very popular in Turkey, where the company Atak Arms LTD, has their Zoraki line of handguns, all chambered for 9mm P.A.K. The barrels and slides are purposely made to weaker tolerances, as to not allow repeatable fire with a 9x19mm NATO cartridge. However, there are ways to work around this, and convert the black firing guns to fire live .380 ACP cartridges. This is extremely illegal in many countries as well.

This is from a machine shop in Turkey, where a machinist converts a 9mm P.A.K Beretta Cheetah blank firing clone to fire .380 ACP rounds.

This is another example of converting, by strengthening the weak slide with Steel inserts.

Then you have this video, of which the producer could easily wind up in prison for because his activities are blatantly illegal.

However, the examples below are what really caught my attention at first. The first video is with a Zoraki 2918, incidentally, doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing, when firing live ammunition, and that is the slide failing completely.

The second video appears to be a Ekol Special 99, from another Turkish company that makes blank firing handguns. This too failed (ironically in the same location that most Beretta slides fail in as well) along the slide due to the pressure of live ammunition.



Miles V

Former Infantry Marine, and currently studying at Indiana University. I’ve written for Small Arms Review and Small Arms Defense Journal, and have had a teenie tiny photo that appeared in GQ. Specifically, I’m very interested in small arms history, development, and Military/LE usage within the Middle East, and Central Asia.

If you want to reach out, let me know about an error I’ve made, something I can add to the post, or just talk guns and how much Grunts love naps, hit me up at miles@tfb.tv


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  • Frank Grimes

    If he wants a real gun, maybe he can just join ISIS like his fellow countrymen and elected officials?

    • Brett

      Have you considered the possibility that them want them for defense, form terrorist even.

      • Sunshine_Shooter

        He never said stay with ISIS, just join for the free rifle and leave.

        • Disarmed in CA

          Better leave in a hurry. In that town they don’t offer to celebrate your AWOL status with a dinner with the head muckety muck like they do here!

      • Frank Grimes

        From a Turk, absolutely not.

        Their entire country should be turned be turned into a sheet of glass.

    • 11b

      Wow a blatant generalization of millions of people. Never thought I’d see that on the internet /s

      • Frank Grimes

        They earned it.

    • iksnilol

      I somehow doubt the Jewish wannabe gangster is gonna be joining ISIS.

      • Frank Grimes

        No, but a Turk would.

        I wonder if they fall out of the womb wearing a suicide vest.

  • iksnilol

    I always thought you could make a usable handgun if you bought one of those, then copied the frame and slide in real steel (and of course beefed it up appropriately).

    You’d still need to source a barrel and machine the slide and frame, but all the internal small tidbits would be usable still.

    • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

      So what you’re saying is, if you make a real gun from scratch, you could have a real gun that fires real bullets?

      • Cal S.

        Nuances. Honestly, some people have no appreciation of workmanship.

      • iksnilol

        Yeah but the small parts that are hard to make (ie trigger/striker mechanism) are already made. So are the mags.

        • Paladin

          If you have the capability to make the frame and slide you’re not likely to have much trouble with the fiddly bits.

          • iksnilol

            You underestimate how crude a frame and slide can be made 😉

          • Paladin

            To which I must counter that you underestimate how crudely springs and other small components can be made.

            Even simple hand tools would be sufficient, provided you had the patience.

          • iksnilol

            We need a gun version of Naked and Afraid to settle this.

            Throw in RN in a proper workshop and put a proper machinist and whatnot into a scrapyard with a pocket knife.

            But yeah, it should work albeit crudely with crude springs and whatnot.

          • Paladin

            I’d watch that, when’s the premiere? Can I stream it on Netflix?

    • smitty26

      To build a weapon you need complicated machines.So they buy original’s who are turn to “non firing” collector items.Free to buy in most eu countries and repair them back to live firing.And for the small parts : almost every small part you can buy from companies in Germany by the internet:legal !!
      For the magazines : these fron the PAK guns are often to small to fit live ammo (you can see it in that video,he”s using flat nose .380).But in most eu countries you can buy every magazine you want,without papers or restrictions.

      • iksnilol

        Depends on the non-firing ones. They get torched real good before being sold (deactivated).

        Blank firers are usually made from much worse materials or CQ.

        You can fit .380 in PAK mags, you just need to squeeze the bullet in 2mm more (be vary of pressure then).

        • smitty26

          These “deko”weapons sold in Germany before the last EU fire arms act dating from April this year were not torched.And still you can buy salut weapons :these are original weapons changed to adopt blanks like the 9mm PAK.Have seen UZI in 9mm PAK for about 1500 eu,only changes the barrel to accept PAK ammo.Buying without papers or registration,
          -Yes you can squeeze the bullet 2mm deeper but these blankguns cannot handle the higher pressure you create.This will make the 380 work like a 380+P round,and this is too mutch for the material used.

          • iksnilol

            Deactivated “deco” weapons as you call them are indeed torched, from the inside. They grind away the bolt lugs and drill holes in the chamber.

  • marathag

    Need Black Powder .38 ACP 🙂

  • Squirreltakular

    I love this. You can’t stop the signal.

  • smitty26

    This is what you get when real firearms are not allowed (like eu countries).We seen this type of guns often in the hands of “street gang bangers”.They are cheap and sold to these “dumbo’s” as real guns.But the are lethal !! Prices on the streets are between 350-600 euro.That’s cheap because the real deal like Glock 17 or Beretta 92 are sold for about 2000-2500 euro on the black market.