Upgraded NYPD In Times Square

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Whenever I travel somewhere, I have a tendency to notice armed police/security. Especially when they are carrying rifles. Just one week after the Chelsea bombing in NYC, my wife and I took our 4 month old to visit NYC. It was a bit of a risk since I could not legally carry in NYC, but then CCW won’t do much against an IED like what was used last week.. Anyway I noticed an increase in police activity. A lot more police officers on patrol. When I took this picture, I saw people coming up to these officers and thanking them for their service.

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However these other officers stood out like sore thumbs in Time Square. They are all wearing Ops-Core helmets and what look like plate carriers. I do like that they have modernized and are using hearing protection which also doubles as communication head sets to their radios.  The rifles are sporting what looks like Aimpoint Pros with rear MBUS. The front sight is a folding gasblock front sight and the railed handguards have Inforce WMLs.

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Would these officers be a part of NYPD’s ESU?



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

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  • anonymouse

    “It was a bit of a risk since I could not legally carry in NYC”

    Although I’m a fan of guns, I find this statement to be ridiculous. All the evidence suggests that carrying a gun puts you and those around you more at risk than if you are unarmed. It also shows how worrying the state of fear is in the USA today.

    • DaveP.

      In b4 everyone else jumps this guy…
      “All the evidence suggests”…? Care to share links to that evidence?

    • Anon

      Only if you’re not a cop, right?

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      I cant speak to the accuracy of your “evidence” but I will agree to the climate of fear and the ridiculously low standards for most CC permits.

    • AC97

      Weasel words aren’t evidence, you can’t just say “all the evidence says” and think that flies around here, because no, it doesn’t.

    • PK

      Fair enough, I respect your opinion.

      Why don’t we compromise? I’ll continue to carry firearms on a daily basis as I have for over a decade, and you continue going unarmed.

      That way we both get what we want and it’s a win-win.

    • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

      I wont try to argue with the statistic, but I will say that your danger to yourself and those around you due to you carrying a gun is directly proportional to how safe, skilled, and responsible you are with it. Many statistics are treated like its a pure lottery on whether it will happen to your or not. Im not saying it cant happen. Im just saying that education, training, and responsibility go a long way in mitigating that risk.

      Its more like poker and less like a slot machine. Your skill and experience do a lot to help you beat the odds.

      I dont know anything about the author beyond what he has written here, but based on that I think he would definitely be in the upper tier of people not likely to injure himself or someone else other than his target with his gun.

    • Martin Grønsdal

      I reacted to the same sentence, albeit for different reasons.

      However, I never understand why gun owners sometimes do their outmost to make gun owners look dumb. This is exactly the talk the left needs to convince mote people to ban even more guns.

    • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

      In response to: “It also shows how worrying the state of fear is in the USA today.”

      If you cant function properly because you dont have your gun with you then you have a problem. If youre afraid to the point where you can not focus on the task at hand you have an irrational fear. The chances of a person getting murdered are incredibly dwarfed by a persons chances of getting killed in a car accident, but you still drive without an objection.

      In some places you cant concealed carry and its still ok to go there when you have to. Im not saying its right. Its just the crap we have to deal with. Im a student in a state that bans guns on college campuses. Its also illegal and against policy for me to carry at work. My previous job was on an Air Force base. The only store in my town is Walmart. Unfortunately Im very well acquainted with places where I cant carry a gun. Its a thing that happens. Not all of us can hide up in the mountains in our bunkers with our canned food and wait out the apocalypse.

      This is not targeting the author. He simply identified the risk and continued on with life. Its just addressing a mentality I find among certain concealed carriers.

    • Jeremy Star

      Oh boy, based on the studies that show owning a gun puts you at risk for it being used against you. Yup, just like owning a car puts you at risk for being injured in a car accident and owning Ice Cream puts you at risk for eating it. It’s a logical fallacy. Of course you are more at risk for having it be used against you, because you are literally at 0 risk for having a handgun you don’t have being turned against you. Just like you are at 0 risk for eating Ice Cream if you don’t have any.

      • PK

        That’ll teach you not to eat ice cream with a gun as a spoon when you should be paying attention to the road.

        • Mystick

          Hey, that makeup won’t put itself on.

    • Anonymoose

      Do you understand how nonsensical that statement is? Guns don’t just go off on their own. Someone has to pull the trigger. Most concealed-carriers are more cautious and courteous when they have their gun on, and if someone does get shot by someone legally carrying, it’s not usually the good guys. Now we can debate manual safeties, drop safeties, AIWB, SERPAs, kids getting into your purse (when you should always carry on-body), kids getting into your cabinet (buy a good safe and a small box/vault thing for a home defense pistol if you have kids), etc, but the point is that criminals are afraid of guns, and even hardened felons won’t mess with someone if they are armed.

    • gunsandrockets

      So then, logically the police should all be disarmed.

      • iksnilol

        Oh heck yes. I don’t trust them to have guns.

    • iksnilol

      Yeah, but I sorta like having a chance.

      And I am an enlightened European.

  • Scott Tuttle

    AR15s vs Bombs. yeah that makes sense.

    • DaveP.

      Not always bombs. Mumbai, Orlando, et cetera…

    • PK

      Two reasons for this, as far as I see… one, as Dave P. said, it’s not always bombs.

      Two, it helps put the public at ease, gets them feeling more secure. Dangerous/troubling times is the perception, and that’s bad for morale, bad for business, and can lead to issues all over the place. Giving a show of enhancing security lets those who are most worried feel a bit safer. That may be a false sense of security, but it’s useful.

      • DaveP.

        Exactly. One of the main purposes of having a uniformed patrol officer is to create a VISUAL presence. This reassures the citizens that they are being protected, and encourages the troublemakers to move along. It’s been that way since Bobby Peel.

      • joe

        Except, “upgraded NYPD” shows there’s actually a threat I can’t realistically respond to in street clothes and EDC. So why am I there, spending money and creating jobs. Certain government agencies get this and keep the tactical troops on <30 second standby, out of sight.

        My first thoughts getting off a plane at Rhein-Main 20 years ago was wondering what the threat was that they put high school girls* in border police uniforms and had them roaming the terminal with MP5s.

        *obviously not, but the Grenzshutztruppinnen looked really young

        • Klaus Von Schmitto

          No threat needed. They do it because there’s nothing hotter than high school girls with submachineguns. Germans are cool that way.

      • gunsandrockets

        Security Theater?

  • Holdfast_II

    I haven’t worn a vest since the mid-1990s, and I think that design was more late 1980s, but a lot of these vests/plate-carriers seem to me to be very ill-fitting. As in way too small.

    Thoughts?

    • Gus Butts

      I think that typically plates shouldn’t be hanging too low. They’d be above your belly button. When I got issued my vest I was told that the vest shouldn’t be longer than your belly button to keep that plate in front of your vitals, and also because having a longer vest would hinder you when sitting and moving around.

      • Paladin

        The top of your plates should be about level with the cleft in your collarbone, the bottom should extend to the bottom of your ribcage.

    • Rockt_Fiend

      They’re plate carriers only. Basically just 10×12 rifle plates over top of the soft armor worn by officers daily. Only to protect your vitals from rifle-fire. Whereas the soft armor below will cover you from most pistol threats and covers a larger area.

      Most agencies provide them as supplemental armor now, especially after Dallas.

      • Holdfast_II

        That makes sense – I didn’t think about the notion that the kevlar is under the shirt – I was used to an Army-Issue Kevlar vest with pockets for the first generation of plates. We would then integrate the load-carrying vest into the shoulder pieces of the armor so the whole thing could be donned or doffed at once. Which was ok for riding around in the back of an APC, probably not so much in a Chevy Malibu.

    • Kyle_D

      I feel a lot of people that wear strict plate carriers, which as explained already in a reply are meant to cover only your vitals, forget or dont know specifically WHERE those vitals are when viewed from the outside. The plate carrier SHOULD NOT extend much below the bottom of the rib cage. Plate carriers are meant to cover the heart and lungs. The apex of human lungs extend ABOVE your collar bone, but not below the rib cage. People that wear plate carriers down around belly button height are literally leaving half of their vital area exposed. More of a lack of training really

      • Anonymoose

        “Training”? What’s “training”? -NYPD

    • They can be uncomfortable if the department buys off the rack gear. Some companies offer individually fitted carriers.

  • Jay_B_Siegel

    I find the trend of police looking like military very disconcerting. I understand it, but it makes me very uncomfortable.

    • Bob

      Now now, the NYC police are known for their skill and accuracy, there is nothing wrong with them having “military weapons of war”. ;D

      • Tom Currie

        Having grown up in NYC, I appreciate your sarcasm – unfortunately many people here will miss your point (especially the people who will “agree” with you)

        • Mystick

          He’s no the only one known to miss, though 😀

    • Swarf

      It should make you uncomfortable. It should make you angry as hell.

      • Lacey Sheridan

        It makes a lot of us feel safe. Why the anger?

        • Swarf

          Because the police are civilians. They are absolutely and very specifically NOT military.

          An American police force tooling up with military gear, using military tactics and behaving like an occupying army with their fellow civilian citizens treated as insurgents is absolutely un-freaking-American.

          That is why the anger, Lacey, and you are not safe.

          Does the TSA make you feel safe also?

          • crackedlenses

            I fine with the LEO having cool stuff, I just wish we could have all their cool stuff too.

          • Kivaari

            Everything cops can have, we should be allowed to have without special permits and taxes added on. Cops are NOT special. I am a retired patrol sergeant, and have been around enough cops to know, they are nothing special. They are just people, and often troubled people.

          • Lacey Sheridan

            The police are, and always have been, paramilitary. They are authorized to use weapons, and make arrests, and they’re the ones we call when there’s trouble. If people have an issue with police protecting themselves, then don’t call them.
            Of course, if police were actually behaving like an occupying army, that would be a concern, but most of us have seen nothing of the kind.
            The drama could be dialed down a bit, no?

          • valorius

            The police are civilians, they are not paramilitary.

          • Lacey Sheridan

            If you’re trying to suggest that there’s no difference between a mechanic, a bus driver, and a police officer, that’s patently ridiculous.

          • valorius

            I’m suggesting there is a difference between a cop and a soldier.

            I would agree that SWAT teams are paramilitary, but not normal police.

          • retfed

            The TSA, for all its faults and problems, is an unarmed force with no arrest powers, so it’s not really relevant to this discussion.
            And, a lot of people object to the militarization of the police for esthetic reasons. I don’t like the look of helmeted police carrying ARs either, but every once in a while they’re needed. If you’ve ever been caught in a riot while wearing a soft hat and no eye protection, riding in a Dodge Charger and carrying only a pistol, you’ll appreciate a helmet and a Bearcat.
            (And, these are NYPD ESU cops (Emergency Services Unit, their name for SWAT), as identified by the small patch on the left shoulder. They are better trained than the average NYPD cop.)

          • Bill

            “And, a lot of people object to the militarization of the police for esthetic reasons.”

            Great point. Put a cop in navy blue in a black and white and nobody thinks twice. Give them cargo pants and an external vest panel carrier and folks wig out.

          • I’m totally cool with the police only having access to the same kit that us mere citizens do.

          • Sgt. Stedenko

            Yep,
            When I am able to get a select fire sbr with a can at a taxpayer discount and no silly NFA paperwork, I cool with that.

          • Bill

            So if we have to run a team into a hot zone under fire can we borrow your Dodge Caravan?

            There isn’t one thing in the trunk of my car that you can’t buy on the open market. The car, on the other hand, is a police package, so you’ll have to wait for it to go up for auction, after another couple hundred thousand miles.

          • Tom Currie

            I would like to believe you, Bill — but of course the truth of your statement depends greatly on where the person you are talking to happens to live.

            And, of course, you limited your statement to the trunk of your car, but the days of carrying a ordinary shotgun in the trunk of a patrol car are long gone — nowadays departments are carrying a NFA Class III SBR or Machine Gun in the rack mounted to the partition in the passenger compartment. Even if the long gun carried isn’t NFA it is at least one of those dreaded evil “Assault Weapons” (you know, the kind “no civilian ought to have”).

          • Bill

            I turned down a MP5 and M16 in favor of a personally owned semi-auto AR. No one that I know of has surveyed LE agencies to determine the number of NFA weapons in the field, and while the public may be limited in the number of new full-autos that are available, cans, SBRs and SBSs are just a bunch of paperwork away for anyone. We have paperwork also, and one of the reasons I didn’t WANT any of the FAs is the headaches that would result if it was stolen, lost or damaged. That being said, I’d have no problem with NFA guns stuff being available to the public via mail-order, but understand that the police have hoops to jump through, too.

            I can’t believe that with the AWB vaporizing years ago that anyone who wants an AR doesn’t have one. Yeah, there are people who live in states that suck, but all in all there are far more available now than ever.

          • Mystick

            You forget that to us “little people” the NFA item is a 40-year-old rifle that we probably paid 5-digits for, whereas your equipment may be fresh out of the box for around $1k direct from the factory.

          • Bill

            I haven’t forgotten that at all; it’d be fine with me if you could buy machine guns at Kmart. I guess I just don’t find full-auto as mesmerizing as some people. The NFA gun I want is the one the department doest have – short barreled shotguns.

          • valorius

            Philly Police Dept has several racks full of M16A1 select fire rifles in their armory.

          • Our long guns were always in a dash rack or on the partition between the front and back seats. Patrol carries semi-auto.

          • valorius

            I have no idea why they switched from shotguns to AR’s, really.

            It’s not body armor- there are slugs that will easily defeat IIIA body armor.

          • valorius

            A “hot zone”?

            You should probably stop talking, you’re just giving cop critics more ammunition. Which you probably don’t even realize.

          • Kivaari

            Yep! Cops are not special. If they can own an MP5 so should we little people be able to buy them. I’d be OK with the exisiting exise tax, just like a shotgun, but we should not have the NFA BS to go through. NO states should be able to limit what guns the people have nor what kind of ammunition. There are states where having JHP or JSP ammo is unlawful. Places where magazines are restricted to 10 rounds or less. Silly.

          • retfed

            “If they can own an MP5 . . .” Maybe where you live. I was issued a 14.5-inch 870 and a real (3-shot burst-capable) M4, but I couldn’t own one of either type. When I retired, the jerks made me give them back! How’s that for gratitude?
            The NFA was a reaction to the surge of bank robberies in 1933 and 1934, and has as little relevance today as it did then. But that’s an argument for another day.

          • zardinuk

            I guarantee if FA were as easy to acquire as an SBR there would be an increase in heavily armed criminals robbing everything, banks, armored trucks… It has MORE relevance today because the weapons are far, far more capable. If anti-tank missiles were legal then I, personally, would be able to destroy the entire police force with enough cash. I would love the opportunity to buy brand new FA but that is a serious can of worms that no political body will ever even consider. Maybe when “energy weapons” or some other game-changer materializes. But until then it’s the police and their grenades and machine guns vs civilians and their semi-auto.

            On a related note, just consider how lucky we all are to be able to buy a glock 17. Seems like we lucked out when it comes to semi-auto handgun bans. If the gun grabbers knew any better they’d spend all their effort there, concealable handguns are the murder weapon of choice for most criminals.

          • valorius

            I think that’s nonsense. Most semi’s can be converted to full auto with very little effort.

          • Kivaari

            I can own an MP5, I just can’t afford one. If prices were ordinary, I’d own one. I did have two M94 SBRs and two 14 inch M870s. I really object to the NFA laws. We little people are as trust worthy as cops. I found that good guys should be allowed to own anything they like. I have 8 NFA stamps. I doesn’t make me special. I a person qualifies to own a single shot .410, they qualfy to own an NFA gun. It is senseless to require the paperwork, tax and the hassles involved.

          • Tom Currie

            You are 100% right about that, Bill…

            But what you fail to mention is that some of those folks who “wig out” just happen to be the guys wearing the “cargo pants and an external vest panel carrier” and toting a machine gun.

          • valorius

            And yet, knowing that, cops still foolishly do the latter.

          • BlackLion

            CounterTerrorism Bureau. Not ESU.

          • valorius

            Keep the AR and helmet in your trunk. If you need it, break it out.

            Pretty simple.

          • Kivaari

            Those weapons, equipment and tacttics make sense for special operations. I don’t like seeing cops on regular patrol so geared up. It just seems over board. I don’t know of any cases where NYPD’s ESU stopped any terrorists of major crime in progress. Nothing that couldn’t be handled by a regular patrol officer. I do hear of them injuring innocent bystanders too frequently. That strikes me as them not having adequate training.

          • retfed

            They haven’t stopped any terrorists because they haven’t been on the scene. Now they’re on the scene at the most likely target areas (large crowds in NYC, No. 5 and No. 2 on the list, respectively), and people are objecting because they look scary.
            It reminds me of the mantra that “armed citizens never stopped any mass shootings.” That’s because when armed citizens were on the scene (at the malls in Oregon and Utah, and in other cases), they stopped the shootings before they reached the “mass shootings” threshold.
            So you don’t like NYC or NYPD. We get it. Now come up with a better strategy to deter or stop potential terrorist attacks.

          • Kivaari

            Put them out with conventional uniforms. My gripe with NYC is it doesn’t trust the people with guns, than seems to send out under trained cops. There are many reports of innocent bystanders getting shot. Other cops getting shot by cops and misbehavior by cops. I think having 36,000+ cops is too many. Especially if they do not get the training they should have. I am sure some are quite good. Just not enough of them are trained as well as many small town cops.

          • retfed

            THESE ARE NOT REGULAR BEAT COPS. THESE ARE ANTI-TERRORISM AND ESU (SWAT) COPS DEPLOYED TO A POTENTIAL TARGET AREA FOR A SPECIFIED PERIOD. They are trained to a higher standard than regular NYPD beat cops (who, you are right, are undertrained in firearms.) Regular NYPD patrolmen, as far as I know, never touch an AR at the academy, or afterwards.
            Look at it another way. If something bad happens across the street from you, would you rather have an undertrained NYPD patrolman carrying a Glock 19 with an NYPD-mandated 11-pound trigger pull, or a trained SWAT cop with an AR, make the response? Which one is more likely to effectively end the attack with no unpleasant side effects?

          • Kivaari

            I’d take fewer but better trained cops. The 11# triggers were a “fix” for lack of training. We issued out Glocks with 3.5# triggers. We did not have problems. I think conventionally armed and trained cops would be a deterrent. I think the long guns need to be in the patrol cars until there is a real need. Yes, I know that having them out is faster to respond. I just don’t think they do anything except make the potential terrorist to move to softer targets.
            I don’t trust NY politicians. I think we have more to fear from untrained cops and bad laws than terrorists.

          • retfed

            But conventionally armed cops HAVEN’T been a deterrent, in NYC or elsewhere. In NYC, you can’t drive or walk two blocks without seeing a uniformed cop (especially in Manhattan), but that doesn’t seem to have stopped or deterred any terrorists.
            I don’t distrust NY politicians because I know they’re all crooks and thieves, so I trust them to always do what will line their own pockets. But a distrust of politicians and bad laws (which I share) is more a philosophical point than an anti-terrorism strategy.
            What else can NYC do RIGHT NOW, with the assets they now have, to stop or deter terrorist attacks?

          • valorius

            it’s a PC feel good measure putting SWAT cops there. If anything, it will just increase the likelihood of bombings.

          • zardinuk

            Pffft, nobody cares that it’s NYC or NYPD. Get over yourself.

          • retfed

            I’m not sure what that means. I have no connection with, or love for, either NYC or NYPD. What I object to is the willful conflation of undertrained NYPD patrol officers with better trained special units and the unwillingness to see the difference.
            As far as “nobody cares,” you should care. NYC is the financial capital of the Western Hemisphere, and the result of a successful attack there can reach out to your checkbook, whether you’re in Manhattan, NY, or Manhattan, KS. In addition, it’s the media capital of the world, and the publicity a successful attack would get can affect the world’s perception of the U.S.’s strength and resolve in the GWOT.
            As I said before, one of my life’s goals is to never see NYC again. But a personal dislike of NYC (or DC) shouldn’t make you deny or neglect its importance.

          • valorius

            Some millions would argue that the US would be a better place instantly if NYC was wiped from the map.

          • valorius

            how is an AR armed swat cop gonna stop a pressure cooker bomb?

          • retfed

            It’s practically impossible to stop a pressure cooker bomb. But an AR armed cop could stop the bomber. Would an AR armed cop have been able to stop the guy driving the truck in France? Yes.
            You can always find examples where X won’t be able to stop Y. Does that mean you should just grab your ankles and take what they give you?
            As far as what “some millions would argue,” they’d still be wrong. If NYC were “wiped from the map,” you’d have a hard time getting your ATM card to work. I don’t like NYC either, but that doesn’t mean it’s expendable.
            I’m done arguing here. I’ve used up all my suffer-fools-gladly capacity for the week.

            Vaya con Dios.

          • valorius

            A cop with a 9mm glock wearing a standard duty uniform could stop the bomber every bit as well.

            The ONLY purpose of having people parading around in combat gear is to make stupid sheeple feel better.

          • valorius

            Oh no, a world without atm cards, what would we do!?!

          • Joe

            Ok so if we follow your statements to their logical conclusion…
            Police are regular Civilians and therefore don’t need any type of Armor, Rifle Caliber Weapons, Armored “Tactical Vehicles”, Tear Gas, Pepper/O.C. Spray, Standard Capacity Mags, Tasers, Camouflage Uniforms, Helmets, or Radios, then fine the Second Ammendment is null and void Civilians shouldn’t be allowed the usage of above either.

            No Tank or Mil-Surp enthusiasts.
            No AR-15’s.
            No AK’s.
            No Body Armor or Helmets.
            No Irritant Aerosols.
            No Electronic communication devices.
            Military Surplus Equipment or Uniforms of any kind.

            There thats what you really want. Your just another anti- freedom leftist. Or are you just mad that these items are provided to Law Enforcement Agencies with your tax dollars?

          • Swarf

            Wow. Okay, since that was directed specifically at me, I’ll respond: in Logic, what you’ve done is called an intentionality fallacy. I don’t have the time, desire, or crayons to explain it all to you, but suffice it to say that you acting like me saying that the cops shouldn’t be kitted up and behaving like an occupying army is the same as me saying no one should have any guns anywhere is… desperate. To be polite.

            So, take that, and your black and white political worldview (I’m a leftist? What?) and cram it.

          • Joe

            You really believe that cops having the types of Arms and Armor that YOU are allowed to own and use are over armed or too strongly postured? Our Law Enforcement is NOT remotely close to being an occupying force. Take your crayons and go color in your Anarchy for Dummies coloring book.

          • valorius

            i think cops are overly postured because of their mentality.

          • RICH

            The biggest treason that the Police Agencies have the ‘SURPLUS’ military equipment is because it’s purchased through a Federal grant. The gear is bought surplus for pennies on the dollar. Most departments have limited budgets and couldn’t afford the expenditure to just go out and purchase what they want. The agency I retired from bought several M16’s that were full automatic, each costing several hundred dollars less than the purchase of a ‘NEW’ semi auto rifle. Before any of them were issued the full auto parts were removed so they would only function in a semi automatic mode. A few were left in the full automatic mode to be issued o the special ops teams. If not purchased through the Federal program the full auto weapons would have cost several thousand dollars rather than a few hundred bucks. It’s all about budgetary issues.

        • valorius

          Why does it make you feel safe? Are you one of those sheeple that Ben Franklin was talking about?

          • Lacey Sheridan

            No doubt.

          • valorius

            “Those who would trade liberty for safety deserve neither.”
            -Ben Franklin

    • Less Grossman

      Well what do you want them to look like? Policing isnt the same game it once was. When the criminal element ups the game, police need to do same.

      • mark

        I would like you to cite the every day occurrences of intermediate caliber rifle fire the NYPD faces that would necessitate arming their beat cops like they are on foot patrol in Al Anbar province. We’ll all wait.

        • nadnerbus

          Dallas

          • ostiariusalpha

            One incident in a city a thousand miles away is not even close to justifying this kit, try again.

          • nadnerbus

            I guess he did say “everyday occurances,” so yeah, I agree. Just the same, if I were a cop right now, with BLM tensions and “lone wolves” [sic] blowing things up in big cities, I’d probably be a little more on their page myself.

          • Jeff Moss

            To be clear, BLM is a much much greater threat to the police than the bombings themselves. The irony of it…

          • Lacey Sheridan

            Umm…there was also Baton Rouge and the two NYPD officers who were executed in December, 2014. Is there a specific number of times this has to happen? Further, the tactical police in the photo are there because of the two bombs that were just planted in Manhattan. Normal patrol officers don’t dress out this way; these men are ESU.

          • ostiariusalpha

            That gear does nothing to stop civilians getting bombed. And yes, two officers murdered by a douche criminal doesn’t justify dressing like this a month later, much less over a year and a half after the act.

          • valorius

            Are you implying that pistol or shotgun fire would not have killed these perps, so “assault rifles” are a necessity?

            The dude in dallas was blown up, so there is no argument at all there that the rifles cops may or may not have used were decisive.

          • valorius

            Which borough of NYC is dallas in?

        • Peter (BE)

          Terrorist attacks are common enough, just like AMOK incidents. A 223 carbine provides more accuracy, distance and less of a ricochet or penetration risk than your average handgun. Should be quite useful even against lone wolf type blade attacks. I suppose having them and not needing them is better than the other way around.

          • Lacey Sheridan

            I cannot understand your failure to comprehend the difference between regular NYPD patrol officers and the ESU. I live in NYC. Police here wear regular uniforms and carry ordinary sidearms. The police in the photo are ESU. They are not patrolling, they are on duty in Times Square because of the bomb that went off two weeks ago. Under normal circumstances, they are not stationed in Midtown.
            Terrorist attacks come without warning. Sniper attacks on police are equally unpredictable. Is there some timetable you’re aware of, where we stop being concerned about these things?

          • valorius

            the fact that even on a gun board, with FRIENDLY citizens posting, that there are dozens and dozens of posts criticizing cops armed like commandos, ought to tell you just how ludicris your position is.

          • Lacey Sheridan

            “Ludicris” – is that a rapper? Perhaps you meant “ludicrous?”

          • valorius

            The shotgun already offered all that.

        • retfed

          These guys aren’t beat cops. They’re a special unit (Emergency Services, akin to SWAT), that’s deployed to potential trouble spots. Their main job may be as beat patrolmen, but when they have their ESU hats on (literally), they’re a citywide unit with a specific job. And the job is not chasing the radio.

          • valorius

            they’re supposed to RESPOND to emergencies, not stand around all day picking their nose in time square to make a few morons “feel better”

        • Lacey Sheridan

          They don’t arm patrol officers like this. I live in NYC; police wear regular uniforms and carry a sidearm. Tactical police are ESU or Counter-Terrorist squads and they appear in special situations, such as the recent bombing in Manhattan. How many times must this be explained?

          • valorius

            in many places “regular” cops now play at commando-ism.

          • Lacey Sheridan

            If that’s the case, and the majority of citizens are unhappy, they should speak out about it.

          • valorius

            Aren’t we? 😉

        • Lacey Sheridan

          Beat cops are NOT armed this way. I live in NYC. The police in this photo are ESU-SWAT. They are not normally stationed in Times Square; their presence is the result of the bombs that went off two weeks ago.

          • Kivaari

            Rifles don’t stop bombs.

          • Lacey Sheridan

            The point is their presence is a deterrent. And a rifle may not stop a bomb, byt it will certainly stop a terrorist.

          • valorius

            It’s not a deterrent, it’s a political feel good measure for terrified sheeple.

          • Lacey Sheridan

            Speak for yourself.

          • valorius

            I always do.

          • valorius

            Ask yourself this: If you were a lunatic that was going to blow up a bunch of innocent people with a pressure cooker bomb, would you give 2 craps if a cop with a rifle is a hundred yards away when you do?

            I’m guessing no.

            Hell if anything the cop is providing a juicy target for a suicide bomber to approach and kill.

      • iksnilol

        Yeah, how many street thugs you find with ARs/AKs, armor piercing ammo and body armour?

        • Lacey Sheridan

          Terrorists with IED’s?

        • Jeff Moss

          Those plates can stop anything you throw at it. It’d probably take a .50 AP round to break through on the first shot, assuming you hit it dead on.

          • PK

            I disagree. NIJ Standard-0101.06 for level IV lists the tested ability to stop a single round of .30-06 M2 AP, while multiple hits can and do defeat such rifle plates. A surprising number of cartridges can defeat plates with a single hit. Some firing FMJ can do this from sheer velocity and mass, and many are able to do so with AP projectiles.

            .50BMG, even “just” FMJ, would more than defeat the best level IV plates on the market, as would many other (smaller) projectiles, such as the attached 7.62 M948. The M948, in fact, penetrates most of a second plate of level IV armor after going through a first.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7e514099ebcad1fd9daf3954cae4dc073001373668936432ac1c9c4dfde2affd.jpg

          • Dan

            I would not like to be wearing the plate that took a .50bmg hit. Not sure it would matter if it went through or not.

          • Mystick

            That is wrong on many levels.

          • zardinuk

            Rated to stop 30-06 AP. That covers the gamut.

            Your skull could probably stop a .50 AP, its so thick!

          • Mystick

            Really? An ad hominem attack? What are you, an infant?

          • zardinuk

            You can go back to the first paragraph. The note about the thickness of your skull wasn’t really part of my argument. Besides, when is the last time you were insulted by an infant? You must be LEO, your IQ appears low enough. Am I right!?!?

          • Mystick

            …if it wasn’t part of the argument, why include it? It is a gratuitous, unnecessary statement with no purpose other to attempt to ridicule. And then you go and do it again. Pot, I would like you to meet my good friend, Kettle.

      • Kivaari

        I want to see them wearing regular uniforms and carrying a Glock like cops do elsewhere. NYC is nothing special.

        • Lacey Sheridan

          Most cops in NYC ARE wearing regular uniforms and carrying Glocks; tactical police are either SWAT or Counter-terrorist squads. After two bombs in Manhattan, OF COURSE the Counter-Terrorist police are in the area.
          NYC is nothing special? Do you think these terrorist incidents are happening in Chicago? In Boise? Where were you on 9/11?

          • Kivaari

            The terrorist attacks are happening in Burlington Washington, Umpquah Oregon, Orlando, Santa Barbara, San Bernardino, Charlotte, Charleston, Chicago, The Navy Yard, Podunk NJ and a dozen other places. NYC has had a few attacks, none of which were stopped by SWAT. According to the FBI all 50 states have active investigations going on Islamic terrorists. Add in domestic terrorism and small town USA has been the target. A significant threat was stopped by a lone deputy in Skamania County WA. Another plot was stopped in little Montesano WA. Places where there are 6 to a dozen cops. Boise has a chance of being hit just like Burlington WA.

          • Lacey Sheridan

            NYC was, and remains, a primary target for terrorism. If multiple IED’s are exploding in other cities and small towns, the media has been very quiet about it. Chicago is a war zone, but not because of Islamic terrorists.

          • retfed

            Nobody is saying NYC is the only place terrorists are targeting. But the target priority of AQ is, according to unclassified information I was given at a conference, is:
            1. The U.S. military worldwide
            2. New York City
            3. Transportation and transportation facilities
            4. Washington, DC
            5. Large public gatherings.
            An attack on NYC is a force multiplier because of (a) its economic impact, and (b) the publicity it receives. The San Bernardino attack, for example, was downplayed as a terrorist attack and used as an excuse for gun control, while the no-casualty dumpster explosion was the subject of hysterical news coverage for a week. They call it “the politics of the deed.”
            According to the theory of modern terrorism, as expounded by Carlos Marighella in his 1967 book The Urban Guerrilla, the purpose of terrorism is not to overthrow the government, but to panic the government into becoming so oppressive that the people overthrow it. That’s best accomplished with high-impact, highly publicized (and fear-inducing) attacks. The people who run the country don’t care about an attack in Boise; they’ll never be there so they’ll never get hurt. But they spend most of their lives in Manhattan, so they have a better chance of getting hurt in an attack in NYC.

          • Bill

            People loose sight of the fact that terrorism isn’t an “act” but a methodology in which a huge political/social/psychological impact can be made at very low real cost to the actor or movement.

          • Kivaari

            Terrorist will simply move to softer targets. Tighten subway security and the bomber will attack the check point. The bomber doesn’t need to get on the train or plane, just at the choke points. Like train stations, airline check in counters, subway screening sites. Madrid, Belgium, and LA.
            Like a Paris dance club or Orlando gay dance club. Soft spots. Hardening simply redirects the terrorists.

        • retfed

          Actually, NYC is special. It’s allegedly the number two target for Al Qaeda, right behind the U.S. military. That’s because (a) it’s the financial center of the Western Hemisphere, and (b) all the media types live there. That’s why no other U.S. city has suffered as many terrorist attacks as NYC.

        • Bill

          I don’t live in, or particularly have any desire to, New York City, but to claim that it isn’t anything special is off the mark. It is a classic high value target for any number of types of criminal or terrorist activities, for any number of obvious reasons.

          That’s not to say that really bad stuff doesn’t happen in Pearl Mississippi, Carthage North Carolina or Granby, Colorado, population 1,500. If I knew where and when I needed plates and a rifle I’d have a lot better idea of when to retire.

      • valorius

        It is far, far safer in America than it was 20 years ago.

        Yet, i’ve seen no reduction in tacticoolery among cops.

    • nadnerbus

      At least they are wearing regular police blues under the gear. Makes them lool like normal cops that are just up-gunning temporarily.

      • Tom Currie

        If you think the “up-gunning” is temporary, I have a very nice bridge I’d be willing to sell you at a bargain price.

        • Sgt. Stedenko

          Kinda like a temporary tax.
          Pro tip. They never go away

        • Lacey Sheridan

          The “up gunning” is strictly ESU -SWAT. That’s a small fraction of the NYPD.
          Regular patrol officers wear uniforms and carry a sidearm.

    • Peter (BE)

      Why would the sight of your own troops disconcert you?

      • Jeff Moss

        Because it shows the state of heightened alert that our country is in, nothing more really. I feel it.

        • valorius

          the only thing you said that’s correct is SHOWS.

          It’s a show me feel good political BS tactic for morons who can be placated by such measures.

          • Jeff Moss

            What is it with the commenters on gun blogs insistence on being “correct” about everything? You’re a bunch of rednecks that think they’re doing scientific research or something. You wouldn’t know what logic was if it slapped you on the back of the head. Why don’t you mozy on over to the nearest elementary school, there you will find plenty of people who’re incorrect, you can get out your big red pen and go to work.

          • valorius

            Redneck is a racist term. if we were black would you call us a bunch of n*****’s?

          • Jeff Moss

            No I wouldn’t call you a bunch of n*****’s, because I’m not a racist. Does redneck bother you? I’m white, and I don’t give a s*** if you’re offended. What I give a s*** about is that you’re always correcting each other. You’re a bunch of a*******. It’s the culture of the gun community. First comment you see on any gun video is something about finger placement, always some f****** critic in the audience.

          • valorius

            I’m a northerner, but yes, the term Redneck is wildly racist.

          • Jeff Moss

            Really interesting though that you think I’m black. I must be a BLM protester because I use the word “redneck” ? Real interesting. I think I understand the redneck “us-vs-them” mentality a little better now.

          • valorius

            I don’t think you’re black. I merely asked if we were black instead of your perception that we’re white southerners, would you have replaced “redneck” with N****.

            Redneck is a really racist term.

          • Jeff Moss

            See this is what I’m talking about. Here’s another poorly-researched correction by some a****** gun-guy on the internet. Someone had better tell Jeff Foxworthy because as far as I know he’s still selling “You might be a redneck” jokes to white people everywhere.

          • valorius

            Lots of blacks say N*****, it doesnt mean it’s not a racist word, does it?

          • Jeff Moss

            Alright, Valorius, I don’t know what to tell you. Arguing with an idiot becomes tiresome. Redneck isn’t a race. Thanks for playing.

          • valorius

            N****** is a race?

            Redneck is a racist term. You know it, I know it. If you think that YOU using a racist term makes ME an idiot, I can only conclude that you’re unreachable with standard logic.

      • Tom Currie

        Perhaps because he follows the news. Or maybe he has lived long enough to have seen what happens when even well trained police officers are nervous, wary, over-extended, and told (either directly or indirectly) that anyone that arouses any ‘suspicion’ is both a threat and a legitimate target.

        • Lacey Sheridan

          Well, I follow the news, and I see nothing to indicate that police are behaving “like an occupying army.” Do they make mistakes? Abuse their authority? Of course that happens, but very rarely. The police in this country make 12 million arrests per annum, 99% of which occur with no violence at all, much less shooting. If the public wants perfect, no-fault police, then let’s go to robocop; human beings will never meet the criterion of perfection.

          • Swarf

            Did… did you not see Robocop?

          • Lacey Sheridan

            You bet.

          • valorius

            o.O

        • Bill

          Suspicion implies threat, and suspicious stuff is what we are paid to check out, so it’s a legitimate target of police attention. There’s a whole lot of legal stuff that backs this up, like Terry v Ohio.

          • valorius

            Tell me, what does RAS mean?

          • Bill

            I give, reticular activation system, though lord knows what you’ll come up with.

          • valorius

            How about it’s the law of the land since Terry vs Ohio. In order to execute a Terry stop an officer must have RAS. So let’s try again, what does RAS mean?

            You’re sure you’re a cop bro?

          • Bill

            32 years, and I teach search and seizure. I supposed you’ve cobbled up some acronym fro reasonable and articulable suspicion, though I have no idea of what it has to do with anything.

          • valorius

            RAS is not a ‘cobbled up’ acronym, it is directly stated by SCOTUS to be the legal standard by which a stop of a citizen is legal.

            I’m not sure how someone who’s allegedly taught the subject for 32 years could call the US legal requirement as laid forth by SCOTUS for a terry stop to be a “cobbled together acronym.” Reasonable Suspicion is the layman’s term for Reasonable Articulable Suspicion (RAS).

            You seem to have a problem following the flow of our discussions. Hit the “VIEW IN DISCUSSION” button if you don’t recall the point i was making.

          • Bill

            Dude, you need to learn some self-soothing and calming behaviors. So how many time have you been arrested?

          • valorius

            I have a perfectly clean criminal record. I have, in fact, helped cops apprehend criminals on multiple occasions.

            This is the number one fall back argument a cop uses when he is being factually owned- accusing the other person of being a criminal. Sort of like a liberal accusing you of being a racist or bigot when you own them on the facts.

            I suspect if we were face to face this is when you’d get red faced, super aggressive, start gripping the handle of your ASP, assume a “bladed stance” and begin threatening to arrest me for trumped up charges. Or, as cartman would say, “dont disrespect mah authoritah”.

            The fact is that RAS is THE legal definition for the legality of a Terry stop, not a “cobbled together acronym.”

            Why didn’t you, with your “32 years experience” know that bud?

          • Bill

            This has gone from mildly entertaining to borderline pathetic. Say whatever you need to to protect your fragile self esteem, I’ll defer to your vast knowledge and experience, as a snitch, apparently.

            I’m also running out of troll treats.

          • valorius

            I’m sorry bruh, you can try to turn this around all you want, but you’re coming across as an enormous ass. 🙂

          • Bill

            Reasonable and articulable suspicion? Do I pass. teach?

            How about HUA? Know that one?

      • Mystick

        If they were doing foot patrols in the street and traffic stops, YES.

      • valorius

        Dude, cops are not your friends.

    • BattleshipGrey

      To some degree, I see where the “militarization” argument is in play, especially from the general public which has no concept of confrontation. However, if you gave Joe Blow a handgun and said “run toward that gunfire and take out the terrorist(s)” he’s probably going to ask for some armor too (assuming for argument sake he had to obey the order to go). In reality he’d probably say “screw that” and go the opposite way.

      As a LEO, I don’t normally wear hard armor and a helmet, but when it’s my job to run towards and engage an active shooter, I’ll be wearing that stuff because it can potentially save my life. If the armor is available and accessible, it should be used (during high risk events), because we’re not a suicide squadron, we hope to survive so we can return home to our families at the end of the day.

      I find it disturbing that people expect LE to handle uncommon threats with our common uniforms and soft armor just so they can “feel” like they’re not being protected by the military.

      • Tom Currie

        I have no problem with up-armed & up-armored police — when and where appropriate. I do have a concern about this becoming the norm in some departments.

        Remember the adage: When your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

        The militarization of police is a continuation of the trend of the past two decades where more and more departments are using SWAT teams for serving routine warrants – this is especially troubling when combined with the popular notion that all warrants are automatically No Knock warrants.

        • Bill

          There are no “routine” warrants. I’ve hit drug houses where getting raided is just part of the cost of doing business and gone after guys wanted for failing to pay child support who wanted to fight to the last breath before they’d give up, just because they didn’t want to send HER any money.

          The notion that all warrants are no-knock is just that, a notion. I have to jump through so many legal and administrative hoops to get one issued, or a warrant for service after dark, that it’s completely impracticable.

          • totenglocke

            “and gone after guys wanted for failing to pay child support who wanted to fight to the last breath before they’d give up”

            I love it, you assault a man and try to rob him and then blame HIM for defending himself from his assailants. Typical cop mentality – YOU were the bad guy in the situation, not the man defending himself and his property.

          • RICH

            You make absolutely no sense dude…. read what you might have thought you wrote ! If an individual has a warrant for their arrest and they decide “they shouldn’t be arrested” …… That is an extremely bad decision on their part ! If they decide that they are going to ‘resist ‘ the arrest they can pretty much expect to be forced to comply ! ! ! A Police Officer isn’t going to back down from some piece of s*!t that decides that he is going to fight with the Police ! The POS is going to ‘LOOSE’ and will go to jail ‘tired and with bruises and/or stitches’ ! That is pretty easy to understand…..!
            As you say, ” typical cop mentality”, I have news for you…. “typical cop mentality”, is that, “I am going home to my family and those I love at the end of my shift ! ! ! ” IMHO.

          • Kivaari

            Life is so much easier if the guys doing stupid things would just go along for the ride. MOST people I ever arrested on warrants went peacefully. There just is no upside to resisting.

          • Gary Kirk

            I’ve personally had a couple misguided run-ins with police.. Never my fault, just a matched profile type thing.. But it’s amazing, when you cooperate, you wind up going home.. Everybody needs to ease up on the police force. There are bad cops, few and far between.. Police are the subject of indiscriminate racism nowadays.. And it’s funny how often the loudest screamers of “bad police” want to be the first priority when it comes to their personal security.. “Where are the police to keep me safe, at my anti-cop rally?.

          • Kivaari

            The racism part really ticked me off. MOST people of color I stopped instantly accused us of picking on them because of their race. I never saw it happen between ’68 -2002. When I pulled someone over I never knew ahead of time what color they were, and could not have cared any less. The instant accusation that they were targeted because of race did piss me off. I am so glad I don’t have to deal with them anymore.

          • Gary Kirk

            I get really upset over the racism thing as well, sure I’ll get bashed for being one but oh well..

            I have personally experienced racism, as the only white kid in my class through school. It isn’t pretty, and does still exist.. The people that use it as an excuse really piss me off.. My color was changed to green the minute I stood on the yellow footprints, along with the rest of the 91 others..

          • How many thousands of times have I heard that line!

          • Kivaari

            Probably many. It was a gripe with so many men I worked with. Seriously MOST of the men could not have cared less. Those that did, kept it to themselves on the road. I never saw race used as a reason to make a stop unless there was a BOLO for a particular suspect. The insult from the offenders got real old.

          • S. Cullen

            Yeah and how many times that I went to bat for them in schools, court and on the street… Man, I must have been a real SOB racists in my time…

            Guess treating everyone the same way regardless of who they were made me a terrible person…

            As well, I don’t have to deal with that issue anymore…

            Let others deal with the problems now… I’ve done my time…

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            Why did you pull them over? To line the pockets of the state? You’re a highway robber with a badge.

          • Kivaari

            Traffic. The city got about $14 per ticket. Most of the time the city court did not pay for itself. Too many indigent clients where we had to provide a lawyer for them. The jail cost $255 per day locally, or I could take them 120 miles away for $55 day. We lost money. The state may have made it, but the law was set up so local communities couldn’t turn traffic into money makers.

          • Vanns40

            Amen brother. It’s a far different world now than when dinosaurs like us roamed the streets on midnight shift! 🙂

          • valorius

            I got pulled over once by a white cop and he utterly ignored me and just kept demanding my black girlfriend give him ID, over and over, or he was taking her to jail.

            This is a very well spoken, really pretty girl who doesnt give off even one iota of “RAS” for any criminal investigation.

          • Richard Lutz

            Good point. Many police are closet racists, fascists, substance abusers or mentally ill so should not routinely carry a revolver, much less weapons of war like assault rifles that facilitate mass murder. More police are killed with their own guns than are shot dead by criminals.

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            Few and far between? Go check out Youtube. More like the good guys are few and far between. Most have the military mentality of kill them all and let “god” sort them out.

          • Vanns40

            Oh BS. Exactly how many YouTube videos have you glued your eyeballs to? Now, given the fact that there are approx. 2 million sworn LEO’s what percentage of them have you watched mistreating people? I’d say you have a preconceived notion based on videos. Wow, info and opinions based on a few videos from the Internet, unbelievable.

          • valorius

            We have way, way, way too many federal cops.

          • valorius

            when you cooperate, you USUALLY end up going home.

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            Yea, those foolish founding fathers should have not resisted. The tyrannical LEO’s of King George. They should have just gone along peaceably. KMA.

          • Kivaari

            We are not having a revolution. Don’t pay you fines or child support and the court puts out warrants. Don’t do stupid things and you will never have a warrant issued.

          • valorius

            I think a lot of people would tell you that we are in fact, having a revolution.

            Go talk to a militant BLM supporter.

          • Bill

            Ohhhh the draaaammmmmmaaaaaaa

          • valorius

            He is 100% right, you know.

          • valorius

            Agreed. And furthermore, most arrests dont require a swat team and no knock entry.

          • Bill

            Most arrests aren’t made by a SWAT team serving a no-knock warrant. Go to your Clerk of Courts Office and look up the returned search warrants, then tell us what percentage were no-knock, after dark, or both.

          • valorius

            I live in Philly, there is almost no reason on earth that i’d ever go to any govt building here. My time is too valuable and i do not appreciate being treated like a piece of trash by some govt automaton for daring to ask for assistance.

          • Bill

            What are you babbling about? Government buildings? Assistance? Use you words.

          • valorius

            Read the post i was responding to, what i was talking about should come to you very quickly.

          • valorius

            Quote, Bill: “Go to your Clerk of Courts Office and look up the returned search
            warrants, then tell us what percentage were no-knock, after dark, or
            both.”

            Response, Valorius- “I live in Philly, there is almost no reason on earth i’d ever go to a gov’t building there,”

            Good way to waste an entire day, get abused by a local civil servant, and almost certainly get a parking ticket while i’m at it.

            Understand now?

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            That’s why they are LAW ENFORCEMENT officers rather than PEACE officers. I love you’re kill them or beat them mentality. Makes me feel like I’m living in 1934 Germany. Thanks.

          • Vanns40

            Hah, the first person to violate Godwin’s Law loses the argument, and you just did.

          • valorius

            Yeah, cause bringing up an ENTIRELY relevant historical example is a real debate loser. o.O

          • Vanns40

            Relevant eh? Who held a gun to your head and forced you to pledge allegiance under threat of immediate imprisonment or execution? Who told you that you now had only one person to vote for in the upcoming election and if you even VOICED a complaint you’d never be seen again? Who threatened to fire bomb your business because you exercised your religion? And you say 1934 is a relevant historical example? You’re an ass.

          • valorius

            What are you talking about?

            I mean your comments are so utterly irrelevant to the post you responded to, that i don’t even know how to respond.

          • Bill

            “the man defending himself and his property”

            That would be the “property” he’s court-ordered to pay for the upkeep of the product of his orgasm?

          • Tom Currie

            Or perhaps defending himself and his property when unidentified armed hooligans burst through his door in the middle of the night with no visible ID — all because someone misread the address on the search warrant or because some teenagers down the block thought it would be funny to call in an anonymous tip (that shouldn’t have ever qualified as “probable cause’ because swatting someone is a popular prank today).

          • Kivaari

            That is why they should serve warrants in uniform. Add a raid vest with “POLICE” OR “SHERIFF” printed on it front and rear. Any arrest attempted without proper ID is asking for trouble. Even having a badge in hand doesn’t get seen. I’ve done it a few times and the people are so angry they seem to miss the shiny gold and silver.

          • Bill

            Even when I was a detective I always had uniforms along on any raid, just to fly the colors, so to speak, and reduce any allegations of mis-identification. And plenty of raid jackets, but the issue there is assuming that people can read.

          • valorius

            We both know there are bad raids on wrong addresses or people who were set up by crooked cops or informants. We also know sometimes cops plant evidence in those raids, and mis use force.

            And sometimes those cops go to jail.

            Let’s not pretend that ENORMOUS mistakes are not made sometimes.

          • Gary Kirk

            Step one (after door is kicked) IDENTIFY yourself!! And continue to do so while clearing..

            “Clearly identify yourself”
            Sorry for the caps

          • valorius

            Also, saying “POLICE” loud and repeatedly, is a nice touch.

          • Bill

            I’ve previously written about how difficult it is to get a no-knock our after-dark warrant, it’s way harder than people think, and even in the good old days of the previous century warrants were specific to daylight hours unless you could get a judge to decide otherwise.

            As for SWATting, I really wonder just how widespread this widespread problem is. Yeah, I’ve read it in the news, but legally, practically and by policy we just can’t kick down someone’s door because someone made a call. I’d bet that those publicized cases have a backstory that isn’t made public. We are FAR more likely to break down a door, or more accurately make the fire department do it for us, to check on Gramps and MeeMaw because they haven’t answered their phone for two weeks than if someone calls and says that Cletus is dealing weed out of his singlewide.

          • SPQR9

            I have had two friends SWATTed. There was no backstory on either case.

          • Bill

            Seriously? A full team showed up? Before the beat cops? What was the call?

          • valorius

            However hard it is, it’s not hard enough.

          • Bill

            How many have you written and applied for?

          • valorius

            Straw man.

          • Bill

            So that would be a big ZERO. How many have you actually read? How many suppression hearings have you attended? How many appellate briefs have you read? Let me guess: ZERO and ZERO.

            You need to learn how to self-soothe and develop some calming behaviors.

          • valorius

            You can elaborate all you want, it’s still a straw man argument.

          • Bill

            And you still have zero experiential knowledge about search and seizure.

          • RICH

            The media fails to report a lot of the true facts any more. They’re more focused on sensationalizing any incident they write about.

          • retfed

            So, SOME cops do stupid or illegal things, therefore ALL cops do illegal and stupid things, right?
            Using that logic, since SOME teachers molest children, ALL teachers are child molesters, and since SOME over-the-road truckers are serial killers, ALL OTR truckers are serial killers. And on and on.
            And don’t get me started about clowns.

          • valorius

            Some lions eat people. When confronted with one, it is only prudent to assume that the lion in question is the man eating sort.

          • We wore raid jackets with police on front and back of the jacket. Of course full SRU gear has POLICE all over it not to mention every officer hollering police search warrant etc.

          • valorius

            You can go on you tube right now and watch raids where cops dont yell POLICE.

            Also, a person who’s just been flash banged cant see “POLICE” written on your jack boots.

          • Rob and blame him huh-Dumbest thing I’ve heard in a good while. The child support is to make sure the child is taken care of and making the reprobate be responsible for his part in bringing a child into this world.
            If you think that makes the officers bad guys you really are not living in reality.

          • valorius

            This may come as a shock, but the family court system is ANYTHING but fair, and often totally abuses a father and his rights. Anyone who’s ever had to deal with a big city family court can tell you the same thing.

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            Go get a real job. Seriously…you are not needed in that capacity. ANYWHERE. We can handle it. You’re a glorified welfare recipient.

          • valorius

            You are the problem.

        • Richard Lutz

          The militarization of civil society must end. All weapons of war like assault rifles must be banned, thus we must vote for Hillary Clinton who said she wants to stop civilians (including police) using them.

      • totenglocke

        My problem is the fact that police have shown time after time that they cannot be trusted to use their authority or weapons responsibly. Since they can be trusted to act responsibly, they should be given tools that will cause as little damage as possible to the decent people of the US. If you want better gear, police yourselves and show that you deserve it.

        • Bill

          I could find plenty of articles that document irresponsible use of weapons by non-police. Their are over 600,000 cops in the USA, the vast majority of which have shown that time after time that they act responsibly.

          We don’t “deserve” anything, unless you subscribe to the old cliche that a community gets the police they deserve. Would you ever say that firefighters deserve better firetrucks, or paramedics and EMTs deserve state of the art medical gear?

          • totenglocke

            The vast majority of cops lie to protect cops who do unspeakable things. Every day we have more stories of cops abusing their authority and weapons and every day cops defend those officers.

            You absolutely deserve to be held accountable for your actions and the entire police system is corrupt to the core and full of evil people who use their government granted licence to assault and kill to get away with doing evil deeds.

            Firefighters don’t have a problem of systemic abuse, nor do firetrucks aid in violating people’s rights or murdering innocent people. EMT’s, unlike police, do nothing but SAVE lives. But you know that and are just making strawman arguments to defend the vile thugs in blue.

          • Bill

            “..the entire police system is corrupt to the core and full of evil people who use their government granted licence to assault and kill to get away with doing evil deeds.”

            “vile thugs…”

            Somebody needs a hug.

          • Dan

            He’s just mad because he got a speeding ticket once, so now all cops are corrupt and evil. Sounds like a typical idiot who either had once bad interaction or reads too many headlines.

          • Gary Kirk

            Somebody needs a busy signal next time they need the police.. Everybody that hates cops, immediately changes their opinion when something happens to them.. Y’all go through Hell.. And you have this grunt’s support..

          • valorius

            my average wait time for police is over 2 hours in Killadelphia.

            I don’t even call them.

          • Or a psychiatrist ——–

          • valorius

            There are a lot of bullies that are cops. I hang out with cops on occassion, i hear that sort bragging about their abuses while their buddies all laugh.

          • Kivaari

            I saw a couple over 40 years. They usually washed out.

          • valorius

            Not where i live. My dad was, in all honestly, a “use of force” type cop, back in the Rizzo days of Philadelphia. Anytime i met a cop growing up, who knew who my dad was, they would regale me of tales when my dad “beat the crap out of this guy”, etc, etc, etc.

            My dad told me that on his first day on duty he pulled up to a pack of teens hanging on a corner and got out and beat the snot out of them just so they’d know to fear him.

          • Bill

            Somebody couldn’t pass the test, huh?

          • valorius

            I had an easy in on the Academy when i got out of the military, i declined.

            Cops don’t make anywhere near enough money for me to waste my time in that career field.

          • Bill

            So what do you do? Rocket surgery? Please, let me critique your career field.

          • Vanns40

            Ya know, you are so full of BS it’s hardly worth replying. I’ve testified against bad officers and bad departments. I’ve had fellow officers who have refused to let abuses go unchallenged. You are the worst type of bigot, the kind who throws out unsubstantiated “claims” and then, when asked for details points to one or two or even several YouTube videos exclaiming “see, see, that proves everything I’ve said is true”. Before you start spewing forth with more vitriol let’s see some DOJ or FBI studies over a decade or two to back you up. Oh dear, there are none.

          • valorius

            He is not full of BS, cops cover for each other all the time.

          • Vanns40

            “…..all the time…” Oh, well now that you explain it in such specific numbers and cite so many sources to back up those numbers I guess this topic is closed!

          • valorius

            Yep, it’s closed cause your feelings are hurt.

            If you are not just being a smart ass and actually want to research the subject, i’d suggest you start at the “blue wall of silence” wikipedia page, and go from there.

          • Vanns40

            And of course we know it’s true because IT’S ON THE INTERNET!

          • Outlaw

            So do snot nosed punks, what’s your point? Act like a decent human, don’t break the law, pay your damn child support, (BTW that’s what rubbers are used for if you don’t want the hassle put a moat around the castle) and cops pretty much will leave you alone. If you piss them off then you get what you ask for. They do a damn hard job for damn little pay and get damn little respect especially from you keyboard warriors.

          • valorius

            My point is that when cops act like “snot nosed punk” criminals, they are no better than criminals themselves. Simple enough for ya?

          • Kivaari

            it’s about 800,000 now. Very few screw ups. But when there is a screw up, it is big news.

          • RICH

            Kivaari, That has become the bane of the Liberal Media ! ! Disect every issue between the police and ‘violent’ POS’ and then twist the facts to keep it newsworthy…..! !

          • Vanns40

            It’s actually almost 2 million sworn LEO’s and since you ask so nicely there are almost 13 million concealed carry permits issued nationwide!

          • Audie Bakerson

            I just searched for this earlier today. 800,000 was over 2 years old (I doubt police employment has gone down) and the source that worked it out acknowledges it’s extremely conservative.

          • Kivaari

            I suspect it is well above that if you count reserves and part-time officers. Half of our force was reserve officers. The place couldn’t provide the coverage the citizens wanted at the time. Than the tax base collapsed and the regular force was cut 60%. All of a sudden coverage dropped even though the reserves stayed on. No money no jobs. I am glad I retired for the second time.

          • valorius

            We’re not talking about non police.

            Stop with the straw man arguments.

        • Lacey Sheridan

          Time after time? Look at the data: police make -12 million arrests each year. Less than 1% involve any type of violence, much less shooting. And of that 1%, maybe a quarter are even debatable.

          Too much hysteria and drama around this issue.

          • valorius

            1% of 12 million is 120,000. If 1/4 of those are “questionable” that’s 30,000 incidents a year.

            That is A LOT of incidents.

      • Kivaari

        We were issued good gear just in case we needed it. It rarely was used, but it was sure nice to have. I see too many cops wearing BDU-like uniforms for regular patrol. I don’t like it. If they think they need them, get them tailored to fit better. Even a garage mechanic looks better in a fitted uniform.

        • Bill

          Don’t get me started on ball caps…

          • Kivaari

            We had gone to ball caps but kept LAPD-style hats for special events. During a funeral for an officer we showed up with hats – and 1000 other cops showed up without hats. Except for the drill team no one wore hats. I remember when a judge would toss a case if you were not wearing your hat and a drunk hit you during a bar brawl. Even if it had already been knocked off.

        • Mystick

          I’ve seen some do traffics stops in gear that if it were me seeing the guy walk up to the car, I would drive away and make haste to the nearest bastion of known law enforcement. Uniforms serve the purpose of identification for the safety of the officer and the public. $100 worth of clothes from the surplus store does not a uniform make.

        • Lee

          The whole rational of cargo pockets making police militarized is retarded. Seriously same thing with the outer vests. Its not militarization, its simply evolution of utility.

          Back and hip problems plague police (not that you’ll ever see anything on the news about it), and getting that 20 pounds of gear off your hip, distributing a portion to a vest, and items to the cargo pockets alleviate those issues… There is a purpose to it, just the general public is ill informed.

          And if your garage mechanic looks better, you might want to look for another… A well dressed auto mechanic might as well be skinny chef…

          • Kivaari

            They could at least trim the things so a size 32 instep person isn’t wearing a size 36 instep. They look sloppy. I carried the gear for decades. We need to cut back on the gear.

          • Lee

            Well the size 36 inseam on a 32 waste is so you can have an opposite side concealed backup handgun, and usually a knife, along with tuck the bottom of your body armor in, incase some idiot meth head decided to try a gun grab off your strong side… you got a surprise for him.

            My department doesn’t have enough tax revenue to pay for officers uniforms, so officers are required to pay for them on their own. At a $15 per hour income (yup, and across the boarder in Louisianna I got buddies making $8-9 an hour), they cannot afford to have their uniforms custom tailored either, and are stuck working with off the shelf items they buy themselves. Which usually means the local surplus shop…

            If you want to come to a city council meeting and get the citizens to agree to pay more tax revenue to pony up for a department tailor, it won’t bother me any… on the other hand if you want to pony up the funds for every police officer across the nation to have a custom tailored uniforms, I’ll be first in line to get mine.

          • Kivaari

            You are getting screwed over. When I left in 2002 a rookie patrolman was making $16 hour. Not far away a rookie made $25. I relocated to another state and they are making under $20 hour in the county, but go to the next county and they are doing close to $30, cross the state line and there are guys making $35 hour.
            My pension is more than the locals deputies earn – it’s a crime.
            In WA where I worked everything was issued. When I started we had to supply our own gun, cuffs, belts etc. Within short order it pretty much became a statewide thing for departments to supply everything. Even that academy had to change to 8 hour days, down from 10, because they found out they needed to pay overtime.
            Cities know they can get people to be cops, so they underpay and under equip them. It’s a scam of small government. Too bad it is still going on in LA.

          • valorius

            It’s militarization. My dad spent 11 years as a philly cop, he has told me that at no time did he ever require or want fatigues.

            My former partner is now a philly cop, he also says that fatigues for patrol cops are stupid.

          • Bill

            The guy who wrote “Dress for Success” recommended load bearing vests for cops back then.

            My sciatica, degenerative disc disorder and piriformis syndrome second your opinion.

        • valorius

          Agree 100%

      • Gary Kirk

        Check out Calvert county sheriff’s uniforms..

        Maryland

      • Amen to that brother—-

      • supergun

        I remember seeing police like this when I visited other Countries years ago. it has finally gotten to our Nation.

      • Vanns40

        I’ve got no problem with the equipment. I have a huge problem with the training, or lack thereof. Remember the incident where NYC Police engaged an armed suspect (when it was later shown they could have simply followed him and waited), on a crowded street in a gun battle? 108 shots fired, 8 civilians wounded and what happened to the officers? They were all given medals! As a retired LEO, if that had been me, when I was working, I’d have been fired and likely be facing decades of law suits that would pierce sovereign immunity.

        So no, while I like the equipment, I’m not impressed to see officers walking around with it.

        • Bill

          If lack of firearms skills is such a huge problem, why do people keep citing the same incident over and over and over?

          • Vanns40

            It’s not just one incident. However, when you take a look at the number of officer involved shootings, shots fired, number of shots that are errant, there is a training problem. I would never blame the individual officer for this. I do blame the department for taking shortcuts in training and the responsible governing bodies for not making necessary funds available for training.

            As to why we keep coming back to these glaring examples the answers easy, most officers never fire their weapons during their careers, so when they do we look really critically at all the dynamics involved to see where improvements can be made.

      • valorius

        My dad managed to summon the courage to take on MOVE in his police blues with a police .357 magnum.

        Your argument is specious at best.

      • glenn cheney

        I’m on your team, really. But do not assume you are trained and ready and us old treads are not musterable.
        We have hardened steel psych. profiles, we are military.
        Here’s a clue, day may come WE stand with you to protect yours.
        I’m a publidh ed d military historian, ex-subs, a seal boat and yea, a crazy crew.
        Railroad spike chewers and nail spitters.
        No to worry though, I wasn’t rubber raft trained, I was suited for twisting keys.
        Those growth hormones today’s enforcers are consuming are a problem.
        Pinellas-Pasco pulled brilliant move on former Tampa Police Dept. SWAT officer who started their program. shot an unarmed man in a Pasco movie theater after the VICTIM failed to tEly comply with a juiced up 70 year old with the body if a 35 y/o Russian weight lifter.
        JUICING! Steroids, roid rage. It’s out there, I’ve run into it personally.
        When the perp., yes, innocent until proven….An off duty officer had to fight to wrest the gun from the guys hands.
        Yea, brilliant move States Attorney. …perp. only had a bullet proof vest on, from a jailhouse cam hookup to da’ judge, he looked like he w as 40 and hit the weights regularly.
        No, no one singularly the blame, it has evolved from the 60’s when the feces was really t ax king flight, but then, the fight was ussin’s scrap….the scenarios above call for a much different protocol.
        I don’t have the answers.

    • Bill

      What military wears navy blue uniforms and black helmets in the field?

      • There’s a unit here in Chicago that wears full camo. I always chuckle when I see them…what in the hell are they blending in with?

        • Bill

          One of the purposes of ANY camo is to break up outlines. We went away from all black because they are very few all completely solid black shapes in any environment, even at night.

          • I understand that, but when you’re in an urban environment a tan based camouflage creates lines that stand out more than break up.

          • Gary Kirk

            It’s normally better to wear your old school woodland inside out in an urban area.. At least in early dawn late dusk (ya know, normal action times)..

          • valorius

            And yet, US Military pilots dont wear camo of any kind, just a green flight suit.

            I dare say if an E&Eing shot down pilot doesnt don’t need camo, neither do you, as you patrol the streets of mayberry.

          • Bill

            When was the last time a US pilot had to evade and escape? USMC aviators wore camo helmet covers to demonstrate their solidarity with the groundpounders.

          • valorius

            Certainly during the last Iraq war, (2003) and very possibly since then, in Afghanistan.

            In any case, there is no valid reason for cops to be wearing camo outfits.

          • Bill

            Cause you say so. Riiiight.

          • valorius

            No, because i say so and i backed up my argument with facts.

          • Bill

            What facts pertaining to camo?

          • valorius

            That there is no legitimate need for camouflage uniforms in any except for very specific (and rare) cases for civilian police forces.

            Cops wearing camo fatigues for daily duty is patently ridiculous.

          • Bill

            Where have you seen cops wearing camo daily?

          • valorius

            An earlier poster in this thread cited a unit in Chicago that wears them as a standard issue uniform. At which time you defended the practice.

          • Bill

            I’m guessing that you misinterpreted that, and if you didn’t, that’s one. Name another. There’s about 18,000 LE agencies in the US, shouldn’t be tough for a smart guy like you.

            I wear full camo on callouts, as do many, many other teams.

          • Bill

            “There’s a unit here in Chicago that wears full camo.”

            Where’s it say they wear camo on a “normal” duty basis? Sure, if they are a full-time team…

        • Swarf

          “what in the hell are they blending in with?”

          Their fantasy lives.

        • RICH

          Is it ‘Urban Camo’ ? ? ? LOL

      • Lacey Sheridan

        So now the police should wear camo?

        • Bill

          We do, when it’s needed. Hitting a drug lab in the woods, yeah. Maintaining a visible presence it Times Square, probably not.

          • Lacey Sheridan

            Well…yeah.

    • Jeff Moss

      I thought the same thing. These officers look like they could be holding the line in Syria right now.

    • RICH

      If you have any knowledge of the ‘use of force model’ one wants to be one level above the threat that they are facing. If you are a Police Officer facing an individual with a rifle, the ideal situation would be to have firepower equal to or one level above the threat that you are facing ! If you are standing against a shooter with a rifle, your handgun places you on the losing side of the scenario …..! !

      • Kivaari

        Chances are remote that a rifleman will make an assault in Times Square, although one did happen outside a NYC TV station once. The SKS-armed shooter killed one man after firing one shot. Time Square is at greater risk from bombers and a pistol armed person. I’d rather see the average NYC resident that wants to pack a gun allowed to do so. I think they could reduce the number of police. Fewer cops with better training so fewer innocent bystanders get shot by the cops. It seems the innocent bystanders are at greater risk from errant police bullets than the criminals.

        • Mystick

          ..or the efficacy of using such a high-pen cartridge such as the .223/5.56 in a crowded urban environment without risking casualties in the background. That’s been known to happen with 9mm in the past with officers in a crowded environment in the heat of the moment.

          • Gary Kirk

            9mm carries penetration better than 5.56.. As in more likely to penetrate a second target.. 5.56 tends to break up in target and only fragments come out. Whereas pistol rounds are meant to retain weight and therefore are more likely to cause secondary wounds beyond..

          • valorius

            Yes, but 5.56mm is far more lethal, so a miss is far more likely to result in innocents being killed.

      • valorius

        Sort of like shooting a dude on a cell phone with a bb gun in walmart to death INSTANTLY upon seeing him?

        Cops are over-armed.

    • RICH

      Jay, You take the necessary equipment that you would ‘more than likely be in need of ‘ to the specific areas that requires that type of response & equipment ! It’s simple
      ops-planning. It’s a whole lot easier to de-escalate a situation and to ‘shed gear’ than to get caught ‘with your pants down’ and not have the equipment that can save your life or the lives of those citizens that are in danger ! !
      You should feel a whole lot safer if your family was in danger if the responding Police Officers were ‘ over prepared rather than under prepared’ wouldn’t you ? Once a person becomes the ‘VICTIM’ of a crime their entire conception of Law Enforcement and their operations drastically changes.
      It’s not ‘looking like military’…… it comes down to “being prepared for the unexpected”….!
      Stay Safe my friend….

    • Mystick

      If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it sure as hell isn’t a horse. A=B; B=C; therefore A=C.

    • I’m just curious why?

    • Boss

      Does Dallas make you uncomfortable? Genius.

    • valorius

      The only thing we need to understand is that the govt is seizing on the fears of sheeple to garner itself ever more power.

    • Richard Lutz

      Civilians like police are not soldiers so should not be using the same weapons which are designed to facilitate mass death. What is to stop a civilian police officer like Woo Bum-kon using 30-shot assault rifles to commit mass murder? Clinton is right that civilians should not be using weapons of war like assault rifles.

  • PK

    Interesting photographs! Thanks for sharing them.

    Were these officers fairly common in Times Square or did you just happen across a handful over the course of your trip? People in the background of the photos seem indifferent to their presence.

    • Nicholas C

      I only saw them in Time Sqare. Although we do not do a lot of walking anywhere else. We drove to other places.

      • PK

        Thanks for the answer, and truly, thank you for sharing the photos. I wouldn’t have considered this as a regular occurrence in NYC otherwise!

        (Also, Times Square is the name, not “Time Square”)

        • Evan

          I grew up in NYC, and only left for good about three years ago. When I was in college, I’d see these guys hanging around Columbus Circle all the time, often showing incredibly poor weapons discipline and once with an Aimpoint mounted backwards. NYPD cops dressed up like this might be a deterrent, but if the shooting starts, they’re as big a threat to the public as their target.

  • ragnar_d

    Looks like NYPD Transportation Bureau Anti Terrorism officers.

    The patches aren’t ESU (and you’d have likely seen their “squad” trucks close by and the words “Transportation Bureau” can be made out on the uniforms

    • Barry

      That is the nypd parking ticket division. The esu is in the m1 Abrams tank parked next to the commisioner’s aircraft carrier on the Hudson.

  • Swarf

    Awesome, now the NYPD’s internationally disgraceful hit percentage will have bloodier consequences further away!

    • pieslapper

      Yep. Now they can hit 30 bystanders without reloading.

  • Sasquatch

    I do the same thing when I am out and about. What has to be the most humorous thing is to see what some hospital security carries. I once saw a lady with a rossi .357 with a medium length barrel as her duty gun in her holster.

  • Joseph Goins

    Looks like the officer in the last picture is flagging his partner’s leg.

  • J-

    I would think that putting the scope on the right direction would be an upgrade.

    • joe

      Maybe I’ve just spent too much time with an ACOG, but which sight is on backwards? They all look like they’ve got the battery compartment to the rear and the objective lens covers closed.

      • Anonymoose

        I think he’s referring to the old police and Hollywood habit of putting Eotechs on backwards. Since these cops have what appear to be Aimpoint PROs or surplus CompM2s, they’ve actually figured out which direction it goes.

      • J-

        A while ago there was an image that went around the gun Web of an NYPD officer with an AR with an EOTech mounted backwards on the rail.

        • Evan

          I’ve seen an NYPD cop (a sergeant, no less) with a backwards Aimpoint. These guys have VERY minimal weapons training.

          • J-

            Think about just how terrifying that really is. It means the cop armorer who built the gun never checked for zero. The cop carrying it never checked out his rifle to see if it all worked either. Two officers at least had to fail to properly qualify that weapon. So if the officer really needed it, he’d be screwed. My only hope is that his gun is unloaded and it’s carried just fir intimidation.

          • Evan

            It had a magazine inserted, I couldn’t tell if a round was chambered or not. I seriously considered walking up to correct that fool, but I figured some NYPD “tactical” guy who didn’t even know how to mount an Aimpoint wasn’t gonna take kindly to some random guy who had been out of the Marine Corps for five or six years at that point coming up and correcting him in public. And I doubt I could have corrected him without saying a lot of bad words.

            ALL of these NYPD “tactical” teams are at that level though. Their training is essentially nonexistent; they get there solely because of who they know, and their job is essentially to provide a public show of force. If they got in an actual gunfight, those clowns would be as big a threat to the public as their target.

          • Kivaari

            I bet it was zeroed properly too.

  • Boris Pistoff

    This, a clear sign of our times. Armed to the teeth uniforms – it follows then with…the so called “Siege Mentality.” I’m am an ex uniform (Correctional Officer) and I’ve been there. The result is that just like in a penitentiary it becomes the supra paranoid state. I know what “mass psychosis” is and I am afraid we are going that way. I have for “special” reasons being in other countries that for one reason or another that state of siege was the social norm and I name them here: Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras, Panama, Venezuela, Brazil…Argentina, and it’s sickening to see how liberties and personal freedoms are ignored and put aside in the name of “the enemy made me do it.” Careful here, we are the losers and remember, I was an uniform in a previous life. I had to keep those enemies behind them bars !!!

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      “special” reasons

      Is that you Agent Orange?

    • Bill

      Bull pucky – it’s clothes. Police states are based on tyrannical governments, not what coppers are wearing. Park Rangers must really give you the willies, wearing dirt colors like green and khaki.

  • Pod

    To keep it on topic, I’m gonna wager that the base rifles are Colt LE6940s.

    • I was thinking those looked like monolithic upper receivers, so Colt LE6940s are a good call.

      • CS

        Probably colts with an NYPD exclusive, upgraded 20lb trigger.

  • Haha, is that sight on backwards?

  • LazyReader

    I wouldn’t be so disgusted if they got rid of the tactical black and returned to a pleasing color again

    • Bill

      Would pink help soothe your feelings?

      • ostiariusalpha

        Yes. Also, they should be covered in pictures of balloons and butterflies.

  • kevinp2

    Yes, from the usual anti-gun “researcher” crowd, lol.

    From the abstract of the first study:

    We enrolled 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within Philadelphia, PA, from 2003 to 2006

    So in other words, the authors went and found inner city people that were carrying guns illegally and extrapolated from them to the whole population.

    • Pod

      It’s akin to polling people in Fallujah about what they think of the US Army – and then extrapolating to the world.

    • The Irredeemable Raven

      Can we jump him now?

  • Jeffersonian

    Now they can mow down even more innocent bystanders without reloading. (A short web search will turn up several examples of NYPD shooting bystanders.)

    Think of all that “paid administrative leave”….

  • Bill

    Don’t make post up all those old pics of cops in the 1920’s and 30’s in their armored cars with Thompsons and BARs and such. Haters gotta hate, as the youngsters say.

    • Grey Beard

      You forgot to mention the grenade launchers since those are as scary as a black rifle.

      • Gary Kirk

        You can still buy those.. Just not the ammo. Well you can but each round is a different form, at least the fun stuff..

    • crackedlenses

      That was back when we could buy full-auto Thompsons. Just like what the police could carry.

      • Mystick

        At Sears, no less:)

  • Bill

    NYPD…CRC…Critical Response Command…unit of Counter Terrorism. Colt M4 marked semi autos with aimpoint pros. Randomly post around city.

  • Lacey Sheridan

    Normal patrol officers do not dress in tactical gear or carry rifles. ESU supplemented regular officers in Times Square because of the bombs in the city last week. Thanks to them, and the regular patrols who are in the streets without armor. We’re safer because of them.

  • Kivaari

    Too many cops with too many guns. Not enough common folks with legal concealed carry.

  • Steve Spahr

    Given the choice, I would rather have NYPD making their presence known then not.

  • RICH

    I hope that I am somehow misunderstanding this individual but why would anybody want to take a 4 month old to visit NYC ? ? ?

    • Nicholas C

      We were there already. Work related. And the food is good.

      • Gary Kirk

        I’ve had to regularly take my daughter up to Baltimore of all places, medical reasons on my wife’s behalf.. Nothing wrong with taking your child anywhere, can be used as a learning experience. This is what your bad behavior can lead you to.. As long as you pay attention to your surroundings, and don’t let yourself be complacent. Even without a firearm, you can still defend yourself and those with/around you..

  • pieslapper

    Wait, aren’t those mags banned in NYC, or does that only apply to regular folk?

    • Nicholas C

      Sadly NYSafe act only applies to law abiding citizens. Police and FFLs are exempt.

  • crackedlenses

    I could dig up articles on how peer review sucks, but oh well….

  • gabriel brack

    You are a logic bully!

  • Justin

    “Would these officers be a part of NYPD’s ESU?”

    Yeah. That’s probably why every one of them is wearing a patch on their chest that reads Emergency Services Unit, as well as an ESU shoulder patch instead of the standard NYPD patch. Crazy.

  • Paladin
    • Gecko9mm

      He has his BUIS up. And it’s an Eotech? Maybe it’s just broken.

      • Paladin

        If it’s broken, why is it still on the gun? And why in blazes is it BACKWARDS?

        • Gecko9mm

          Umm, sarcasm making fun of Eotech and being broken? Speaking of which, just mine back from them for leaking nitrogen gas. FYI: Eotech’s don’t work backwards. You can’t see the reticle.

          • Paladin

            Sorry, guess my sarcasm detector was experiencing a zero-shift what with the autumn temperature changes and all…

      • Gary Kirk

        They don’t really break, just don’t hold zero

  • mig1nc

    How the heck is a right handed shooter supposed to use an INFORCE WML (they spell it in all caps) mounted on the right side of the gun? There’s no remote switch for the left hand to use.

  • Mike

    One of those officers I’m unsure of, but the others have ESU shoulder flashes.

    I grew up in NYC and learned respect for NYPD early. I’ve never had a bad interaction with them, then or since when visiting. I most recently visited in late August.

    We can make NYC a better, safer place with nationwide concealed carry reciprocity, significantly improved firearms training for NYPD, and better triggers for their pistols.

    • Mike

      I looked again more carefully and I was mistaken, those are Hercules Team officers, not ESU.

  • Mat

    Those look like Colt 6940s based on the front sight/gas block

  • millslane

    Wondeful, I love being monitored by government sponsored militants. Nothing makes me feel safer than a low iq government moron with assault weapons. Thanks government!

  • Bill

    They’re SUPPOSED to stand out like sore thumbs, as a deterrent. Watch a surge drill sometime.

  • You are responsible for every round fired and where it goes.

    • Tom Currie

      Which is why NYC has such a large bank account devoted to paying for where those rounds go.

    • Jones2112

      Everyone except the police…officers in NYC shoot more bystanders accidentally than they do bad guys, I’ve never heard about any of them getting into trouble…

  • Evan

    NYPD tactical teams are completely useless. Getting on them is all about who you know, not about what you know. Their training is a joke. I once saw some of these clowns hanging around Columbus Circle, and their Sergeant had his Aimpoint on his rifle backwards.

  • Sledgecrowbar

    My college roommate was a Reserveman in NYC during 9/11. We watched the towers fall from our kitchen window. He was called in right after the confusion died down and was there for days in full gear with his M4, maybe it ended up being a couple of weeks total.

    No ammo was issued to any of them. Either the military thought they couldn’t be trusted not to shoot the wrong person, or it was security theater, just like the TSA.

  • scaatylobo

    This retired LEO is not in the least bit assured by these ‘well armed men’ as thety will only RESPOND after the fact.
    The possibility that any of them will be actually on the right spot to stop an active shooter,or an IED [ how do you stop that ? ],is slim and none.
    Any perp / terrorist will go where the police are not — duh uh.
    A knife attacker or a single attacker can be taken out by a well armed AND well trained citizen ON THE SCENE.
    btw = I hope they are allowed loaded magazines,unlike the National Guard that is deployed with NO REAL AMMUNITION or loaded magazines.

  • Jim

    Sad to say, but it ain’t Mayberry out there no more. Andy and Barney walked on down the road after 9/11. Europe uparmored back in the ’70’s when they started experiencing terrorists attacks. We got by for a long time and are now just catching on and catching up. The ‘Militarization’ of U.S. police forces is called ‘force on force’. You have to be able to match your opponent’s firepower. San Bernadino was a perfect example. Also, the overt display of ‘force’ is for deterrence. It just might prevent an attack on a prime target.

  • Gecko9mm

    5.56mm is not a great penetrating round but it goes through soft body armor quite well. Chances of whack job or terrorists being soft body armor? Pretty good these days. Also when you talk range of threat? Whack job in tower shooting at people situation? I think you have it backwards. Why bother with pistol caliber carbines?

  • Joe

    All the cop Haters should grab their weapons, join ranks with BLM and put their money where they’re large mouths are. Or as the Dallas Police Chief said buck up and join the Police Force and fix the issues that they believe are so prevalent.

  • Kivaari

    There has always been a bit of resistance within police departments to those guys that would be ranked as “gun nuts”. Other adminitrators would joke about our chief because in the 70’s he was arming the men with semi-auto pistols (.45s no less) and bought Ruger mini-14 rifles. He was a gun nut. Than in the 80’s we had HK MP5s, and the other chiefs made bigger jokes. Than elsewhere departments started adopting the same style gear, and all of a sudden he was no longer the gun nut but the advisor. Cops that are or were ahead of the game were always made to look like gun nuts or Rambo-types, until all of a sudden everyone was similarly armed and it became the norm. What is wrong with police in too many places is they issue the good gear but don’t devote enough resources (money) to training. When NYPD has cops packing M4 carbines with the optics on backwards, it is obvious the training is inferior. What kind of training do those officers have when they don’t know the sights on backwards? Have they ever zeroed the things?

  • And then again, what really sucks is that they are entitled to have pieces of gear that average citizens can only dream of in NYC.

  • Gary Kirk

    Wish I could take credit for the avatar.. It’s actually a t-shirt from sheepdogs Inc.. Thanks though

    • Grey Beard

      Roger that one. Got mine from Ranger Up because it was so un-PC and most people that never felt the switch go over that extra position just don’t get it.

  • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

    POLICE STATE USA. Now they don’t have to worry about civilians coming to the aid of someone being chocked to death for selling “illegal” cigarettes.

  • LetsTryLibertyAgain

    The US is starting to look like a big banana republic. Armed government agents are what government always wants, but the US was founded as a nation in which the individual is sovereign. The increasingly popular notion that the citizens are disarmed and the government is armed ALWAYS leads to tyranny, regardless of the good intentions of the sheep dogs who believe they are defending the flock. Start acting like sheep, and that’s how you will be treated.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/609da676403e7ed2f74a3a6290a4b611dde3abf0eaf374589b19753982306681.jpg

    • Matt Wavle

      “A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home.”

      “Throughout history, “the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people.”
      — James Madison

  • valorius

    Nothing says tyranny like paramilitary cops stationed all over the place.

  • progun2

    It is sad that America has come to this. Thank you liberals.

  • valorius

    That’s just a regular cop outfit with big assed boots, really.

    Highway cops are just glorified ticket writers in Philly.

  • glenn cheney

    Washington Think Tanks, ultra-conservative, we’re the first to I’D and study the trends in the militarization of police forces.
    Yesteryear was then, our officers weren’t Barney Fifes, but they didn’t look like Russian weightlifters.
    I’m connected to both sides relative wise. One word referred to as a problem in concept, is CIVILIAN. We are civilians, therefore of dominion to those in enforcement.
    This is a touchy subject, complicater by Patriot Acts,designed to neuter patriots.
    Of more concern, recent Exec.Orders extended by current Admin., nationalizing local LEO depts., and worse, by order allowing foreigners to bear arms in U.N. uniforms.
    They obviously are here if the WALKING DEAD CAST ESCAPES and they really DO HAVE to napalm Atlanta.
    No, not to worry, cut the grid, water, close the Wallyworlds, three dsys, week at most, U.N. troops w/be spending all their time putting up signs with DIRECTIONS TO THE NEAREST FEMA center.
    I’ll be surprised if this post isn’t deleted, they know me well in pol. circles, and yes, I’ve been censored when I began posting WHY HOMELAND, I mean FEMA, was ordering body bags by the 250k order…more than one.
    More disturbing, is recent efforts to I’D Patriots and roster them, they are terrorists by U.N. definition, just ask that Lynch mob, or Seth, the magic dragon.
    Of further interest is WHY the U.N. crew is needed. Deep digging produced an analysis of uniformed locsl, state police, Federal agents, and military.
    Gist of analsys: Local LEO when SHTF becomes evident, revert to protecting their own families, the troops on top end vastly outnumbered potentially for a REASON, and as it is whispered ALL FEDERAL employees areally armed, and trained.
    Dunno bout that, but the point IS WHO WILL FIRE ON U.S. CITIZENS?
    I’m pushing 70, too old to scare, too old to be a threat.
    I run with LEOs….it is the question of the day. Regular mil-spec I do not believe would, National Guard, all day long if bullets not coming back at em”””…..
    Yea Baby, I think we’ll be getting new rules of engage in the NWO here and elsewhere.
    I could say lots more.
    This country is screwed, we are a lung shot deer, booking for the next county, we just don’t understand we are DEAD already.
    Have a nice life everyone.

  • valorius

    If the shootings of late (and you tube) are any indicator, career criminals are anything but compliant.

  • That’s a real reach—

  • Lacey Sheridan

    I’m sure this makes sense to you.

  • Richard Lutz

    Shocked to see civilians carrying weapons of war like assault rifles that are the weapons of choice of mass murderers like Anders Breivik. When Clinton wins the presidential election she will rightly ban them all as the militarization of police promotes and facilates mass murder. Sadly some civilians love their weapons of war more than they love children.

  • Audie Bakerson

    That first officer looks way too pleased with himself.