Reasonable Discussions: Why Can’t They All Be Like This?

Rob Pincus

Firearms trainer Rob Pincus took heat earlier this year when he discussed the staging of firearms in the home. Taken out of context, some of those who oppose the individual right to keep and bear arms claimed that Pincus’ statements were foolish at best and dangerous at worst.

One of those outlets that appeared to twist Pincus’ position on the subject of home defense was The Young Turks, a progressive political commentary program.

Unlike some of the loudest voices in the shooting community, Pincus is not afraid to engage in reasoned conversation with people who have opposing views on gun ownership. He engaged The Young Turks in conversation. On August 22, Pincus went on the program and had a rational conversation with Cenk Uygur, the host of The Young Turks.

The nearly 50 minute conversation covered a great many issues surrounding firearms use and ownership. While you may or may not agree with Pincus on his views, he nevertheless sets an example of what a good representative of our community should look and sound like: calm and reasonable.

Keep in mind that Pincus is a firearms trainer and not a spokesperson for the NRA or Second Amendment Foundation. So, his views are from that of someone who is using a firearm daily – not that of someone who is current on every statistic, study and fact surrounding the legal rights and restrictions associated with the topic. However, I think he does pretty darn good.

Personally, I think that preaching to the choir (talking just to the people who agree with you) will not win any converts. Additionally, the frustration, raised voices and hyperbole employed by many gun rights supporters is more likely to turn away people than invite them in. Pincus’ willingness to enter the lion’s den, so to speak, and engage with someone with an opposing viewpoint is an example of exactly what we need to grow the shooting community.

If you have the time to watch it, I think you will appreciate the reasonable discussion that takes place.



Richard Johnson

An advocate of gun proliferation zones, Richard is a long time shooter, former cop and internet entrepreneur. Among the many places he calls home is http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/.


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  • Bullphrog855

    Cenk can have the most reasonable guy in the world on TYT, and I’m still not going to watch it.

    • Weaver

      I totally agree with your statement.

    • Martin M

      Progressive is an understatement.

      • mazkact

        Miss use of the word ‘Progressive” is why I only use a single stage press 😉

        • Martin M

          That is some serious dedication!

      • Anonymoose

        It’s doublespeak, as “Progressive Liberals” are actually regressive illiberals, just like how the Democratic Party is sorely undemocratic (as seen by their appointment of Hitlary).

      • john huscio

        Progressive liberal, progressive cancer, not much of a difference…..

    • Ebby123

      TYT is a fascist propaganda machine, without even an attempt at the appearance of “journalism”. That is all.

    • TheSmellofNapalm

      Well that’s certainly going to keep your political views well-rounded and informed. Just keep the channel on Fox until your head explodes. I’m rational enough to follow different news outlets with opposing viewpoints and I’ve found that it allows me to better understand people I disagree with. You might try it some time.

      • Rob Pincus

        ^Boom.

      • Comment win, mic drop. Bravo.

      • Bullphrog855

        Don’t make stuff up about me just to validate your statement. You don’t know the first thing about me and that ignorance doesn’t excuse fabricating what someone else thinks.

        I’m a classical liberal, that’s about as well rounded as you get in American politics.

      • jay

        You obviously haven’t watched junk and the young jerks. You can’t get a word or thought in due to their screaming.

        • Rob Pincus

          Except… I did.

          • jay

            Yes, you did! And your calmness affected him. I’ve watched him, several times, and can only take about 5 minutes of his ranting. But I must say I was responding to negative nancy (thesmellofnapalm), and not you. In fact I only looked at the video because of you. I’ve seen some of your other work, and training videos. And I appreciate your work. So, my negativity wasn’t directed at you. Just an fyi. Keep up the good work btw.

          • TheSmellofNapalm

            Oh, I’m the negative nancy? Not all these pathetic crybabies complaining about the evil liberal talkshow host? Who, by the way, was originally a major social conservative before he realized what a twisted and disgusting world view that tends to be. And as stated, I watch many news outlets from several different political flavors including TYT. They are definitely not the worst when it comes to ranting and screaming, you must know that. If not I encourage you to broaden your horizons. Both the gentlemen in the interview made good points, in my opinion, with the resources that were presented to them.

          • jay

            I won’t watch any show that the main form of communication is yelling and swearing. If you can’t keep your language relatively clean, then you obviously don’t have much to say worth hearing. As far as hearing opposing views, I do it all the time. However, if the view is amoral, immoral, destructive to our society, well then I’m just not interested. And Conservatism tries to conserves all that is good in our society. Where as liberal progressives want change for changes sake, even if it is destructive. I don’t believe in that.

          • TheSmellofNapalm

            I’m sorry, “all that is good?” What a load of baloney. I’m sure segregation, gender inequality, marriage inequality, science denial and religious bigotry all fall in that category, don’t they. Pathetic.

          • jay

            Actually, no. All those “inequalities” are generated from liberal progressive feel good political nonsense.

          • TheSmellofNapalm

            And that right there completely destroys any credibility you may have had. Please don’t have children

          • Fox Hunter

            We don’t deny science, you liberals deny science, especially biology and human anatomy, you deny the fact that men are women are different. You deny the fact that men are made for women and women for men. You defend and justify sick evil behaviors that violate and mutilate the integrity and nature and purpose of human anatomy as God created it, especially the reproductive system and the digestive system and excretory system parts of human anatomy. Secular and atheist bigotry against Christianity is the worse kind and brought us communism and nazism. You worship at the altar of consent, moral relativism and pleasure, you call good evil and evil good. You lie cheat and steal to justify your evil desires and your delusions. You and your fellow liberals and secularists libertarians and humanists are the pathetic ones!

          • TheSmellofNapalm

            Lol go cry in your church, loser. This is why I hate most of the gun community, they think I’m evil for respecting people’s sexual preferences and not believing in nonexistent BS in the clouds.

          • Lets not insult other peoples religious beliefs. This is not the place for it. You can disagree without name calling and general negativity.

          • Fox Hunter

            What is twisted and disgusting is the liberal world view, both social liberalism and economic liberalism. Social conservatism is only disgusting and twisted to the twisted and disgusting.

          • Rob Pincus

            Thanks, Jay!

          • missourisam

            You sir are a credit to the responsible gun owners of America. You made very good points with dignity and reason. You are also right on about education concerning guns around children. I became a police officer when my son was four years old, and he was fascinated with my service weapon. I had seen what happens to people that are unprepared, and the PDs solution was to unload your weapon, lock it up, and secure your ammo in another room under lock and key seemed ridiculous to say the least. My solution was to educate my children about what a gun can do. To illustrate my point I took my son and daughter out in the country and let them see me shoot a jackrabbit. Did it scar them for life, no. Both are responsible productive adults, but they did learn that guns are not toys to be played with. By the time my youngest, my son, was eight years old he knew how and when to use a gun for the defense of himself and our family.

            As for the interview, there was no way you could ever change the mind of the host, but I’ll wager that you changed the minds of some undecided viewers. One point I would point out was that the framers of the Constitution did not want a standing army, and considered the citizens to be the “militia” to protect the nation. It was only after it became clear that the country needed a military to protect its interest that a standing army was formed. In fact it was either Jefferson or Washington that wrote that each able man should maintain such weapons and ammunition as needed to protect his family and the nation if called on to do so.

  • nova3930

    It takes a lotta liquor to stand watching TYT…..

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Ive never even heard of this show.

    • Alex Agius

      its not a good show and its funding is quite suspicious

      • Rob Pincus

        You mean you think they used counterfeit money?

        • Pedro .Persson

          More like who they are partners (not outright financing) with, AJ+, or whatever they are called now, which is basically a propaganda machine controlled by the Qatar royal family, AKA: Not the nicest people in the world. TYT problably were too stupid or didn’t care about it, both reasons not to associate with then in any reason… but then you did an exelent performance, making Cenk be calm and rational and respectful (regardless of what you think of the man, see the whole debacle with Sam Harris) does take quite some effort.

          • Rob Pincus

            I’ve talked to Sam Harris (whom I have a great deal of respect for…) and found him to be pretty passionate as well. Maybe it was bad chemistry.

          • Pedro .Persson

            For a second I though it was that did that podcast “Behind the Gun”, but it appears it was somebody else, Scott Reitz I think. I´m not really into this part of the gun world, more into the engineering part. But good to know about that anyways.

    • BrandonAKsALot

      Same here, but then again I don’t really watch tv. Looks about as informative as Pierce Morgan.

  • Ebby123

    While big kudos to Pincus for voluntarily submitting himself to the “court of public opinion” (aka the human leeches that generate most of our media), I’m not sure I would have done the same.

    There’s an old verse about not casting pearls before swine… because they’ll tread them underfoot and then tear you to pieces.

    If that doesn’t describe the propaganda mill that is today’s “media”, I don’t know what is. Look at the Katie Couric debacle (which, by the way its coming out was orchestrated at least in part by Michael Bloomburg)

    • Rob Pincus

      “There’s an old verse about not casting pearls before swine… because they’ll tread them underfoot and then tear you to pieces.”

      Is that what you think happened here?

      It’s that kind of thinking that keeps many people who could wins the minds of the middle ground hiding behind talking points or just preaching to the choir.

      • KestrelBike

        Rob, thanks for commenting and participating here. Technical question: did you insist on your own, independent recording of your interview to protect against potential Couric-editing?

        • Russ Kell

          Now that is a damn good question given recent history.

        • Rob Pincus

          First: It’s their show… there is no “insisting”. Keep in mind that I felt my presentation at NRA was already misrepresented, so it’s not like going into their studio presents any real extra risk (see my final comment…)
          Second: My primary interest at first contact was an opportunity to correct the misrepresentation on what I said at NRA. They granted that at the outset of the show.
          Third, more to your point: The show was live streamed in its entirety to their subscriber network, which I knew… so, ‘anyone’ in that audience would’ve had a complete copy of the unaltered interview, had their been (or should there ever be) an attempt to creatively edit it.
          Lastly: The truth is, I suffer from misrepresentation and creative editing/interpretation from would-be competitors and their fan boys in the gun world relatively frequently… 😉

  • Gary Kirk

    Because having a reasonable conversation can’t happen with completely irrational people that are allergic to reason..

  • Arie Heath

    This guy is a pretty hostile interviewer.

    • Rob Pincus

      I’ve had to deal with much more hostile interviewers when talking about training on podcasts….. 🙂

    • It’s frankly a good training technique on de-escalation; if you can’t handle a screaming loon like that, you’re in for some bad times if you carry in public.

  • Pod

    Props to Pincus for entering the most anti-gun Youtube channel around. Cenk is an unabashed genocide denier and racist. As a poster said below, it takes a lot of liquor to give that pig any attention.

    • TheSmellofNapalm

      Those comments were in 1991 and were since rescinded. But keep focusing on the bad stuff why don’t you, I’m sure we can dig up something from people you respect.

    • jay

      I’d rather give him pig, than attention.

  • A Fascist Corgi

    We’re trying to have a reasonable discussion!

  • imachinegunstuff

    TYT just did 15 minutes dedicated to why Harambe memes are wrong, I wanna watch….. Adblock engaged!

  • Edeco

    Alright, I lasted 8 minutes, that’s all you get. It’s mush, sophistry. Neither proved anything, just traded platitudes. I’ve never heard of Pincus before now think he’s a self important tool. The loser here is the side that is right in principle.

    I keep seeing this idea of reasonable discussion. It’s nonsense. Did they lay out their principles? No it’s understood, right, they’re both benevolent, have common sense, want what’s best. Yeah right. This is reason like WWE is wrestling.

    • imachinegunstuff

      Reasonable discussion is possible with fence sitters, but dyed in the wool anti gunners will just plug their ears and go na na na na na na

      • Edeco

        I’d call it a mismatched tactic, I mean, taking an intensive approach with people that aren’t serious or fully hardened. Better to get them with an appealing aesthetic, which kids’-bedroom-gun-guy just gave away to Cenk, on or behalf, so ge can sell books or some crap I guess.

      • Bland Samurai

        Exactly. Sad as it is, we are polarized. Anyone that hates guns will continue to hate them. Anyone on the fence can be swayed to your side one day and lured back to the other by a shiny new penny the next. I would not call them an ally or asset– regardless of the subject.

    • Rob Pincus

      You should try to have a bit more discipline. If you made it further in, you might have a more educated opinion that would influence people that don’t already hold the same opinion as you.

      • Edeco

        Yeah, but I don’t want to influence people to be anti-gun. Seriousely I watched the whole thing, it was mostly hypotheticals and opinions both ways but what little and dubious of hard data there was came from Cenk.

      • Lee Enfield

        I watched the whole thing despite the fact that Cenk is on a short list of people I’d like to meet in a dark alley.

        Just some comments…
        1) The Left and Cenk talk that the 2ndA should have reasonable restrictions like the 1stA so lets get on with putting all kind of additional restrictions on guns. Nobody pro-2A person ever challenges the gun-grabber with how VERY few restrictions on the 1stA there are and that essentially being the Fire/theater and slander (and there is pretty much universal agreement that the US has the hardest criteria in the world to meet a slander criteria). So OK, the 1stA has 2 primary restrictions on it versus something like 20,000+ gun laws. Which 19,998 should we do away with?

        2nd) The stupid tank/RPG/Nuke weapon strawman. The sole purpose of bringing up this stupid thread is to make you look like some crazy person that is unwilling to compromise anywhere. Your debate opponent isn’t looking to debate but just make you look stupid. SO first you should announce that you’re aware of their tactic and make them look like the idiot that they are. Second just respond that private US citizens today already own tanks and I don’t believe the country has a “homicide by tank” problem. For RPGs and nukes, you’re pretty confident that any risk from that direction will most likely come attached to one of the 100,000 potential terrorists that the Democrats want to bring in. Next topic.

        3rd) Suicide. You need to bone up on other counties (especialy 1st worl industrialized Japan) and their larger suicide rates by 50% or more in which they dont/cant use guns. Where there is a will there is a way. I’d say that jumping off a building or in front of a high speed train is more assured than a gun. With the Left support of doctor assisted suicide they have no moral leg to stand on.

  • No, no, this isn’t what I wanted. I said I wanna see Rob Pincus interviewed by Steven Crowder’s impression of Cenk Uygur!

    • Rob Pincus

      I’d take that invitation…

  • Rob Pincus

    Much Thanks for the thoughts and for sharing the interview, Richard!

    • disqus_sgMcKYCZZ3

      Rob, you are a great asset to the 2A. Well done. -Jonathan

    • Chris Earp

      Thanks for this. You represented us flawlessly.

  • Tom

    “…and had a rational conversation with Cenk Uygur, the host of The Young Turks.”

    A rational conversation you say, Cenk must be on some new medication then.

    • Anonymoose

      Horse tranquilizers.

  • Seems like a lot of gunnies would prefer to just stand around in a like-minded circle jerk instead of actually engaging an opposing view point. Pathetic.

    • TheSmellofNapalm

      Lol. They feel safer.

    • Rob Pincus

      Yep. Constantly. On just about every topic.
      But, its not just Gun People.. it is really “most people”.

      • While I certainly agree that it is indeed most people, gun people and *my* people. So it hits closer to home. When they act like closed-minded children it makes me embarrassed to be a member of the community.

        Thank you Rob for setting a better example.

      • BrandonAKsALot

        This is so true. Especially when politics are involved.

    • Bill

      Very well said. Reasoned debate starts with civil dialogue. We can’t expect people to consider our position unless we are willing to give them the same respect.

    • n0truscotsman

      thats what forums are for

      😀

  • Huaba Sepp

    i dont know when the last time was that i saw a real discussion on guns in the media. Good job.

  • Harry’s Holsters

    Rob Pincus has some balls going on that show. Props to him.

  • Joe Schmo

    Shout out to Steven Crowder.

    “Let’s have a reasonable discussion! Can’t we have reasonable discussion?”

    • Rob Pincus

      People keep bringing his name up… not sure why…

      • jay

        Steven Crowder has a youtube channel. He can be quite funny. He is pro Second Amendment, and has been doing a few videos about it. He also tackles other issues. If you have time, look him up. But the others on this thread are most likely referring to a comedy piece he did parodying junk. https://www .youtube.com/watch?v=lsVONO75utI Take a look, and you see how those that don’t like junk, actually see him. Peace. Through greater fire power. ;-}

  • Hoplopfheil

    Cenk is a villain.

  • Lee

    There really is no reason to have a conversation with the saudi backed young turks. Better off just trolling like alex jones did to them.

    • I would throw good money at a pay-per-view event of a Uygur and Jones steel cage match. Winner gets a 30 second prime time commercial spot on all the major news networks and broadcast TV networks, no content edits allowed.

      • john huscio

        Put rush in there and have a 3 way brawl.

  • Wolfgar

    Excellent job Mr. Pincus.

  • Boren

    Don’t understand how anyone or any morally right American could trust anything on the young Turks.
    Openly supporting Hillary is pretty much as immoral as it can get

  • john huscio

    Can’t ever watch the young Turks for more than 5 seconds… no matter what the topic is…..

  • vwVwwVwv

    chenk uygur? och come on.

  • livingonenergydrinks

    Wow a great discussion by two reasonable people. There is something you will never see from FOX, or CNN. And the major networks wonder why all the Ad revenue is going to YouTube these days.

  • jmf552

    I throw the BS flag on this whole video. First, what happened to “TFB: Firearms Not Politics?” I guess it went out the window with this one. Second, you say this, “…sets an example of what a good representative of our community should look and sound like: calm and reasonable.” That’s why I don’t buy it. I think both Uygur and Pincus were both uncharacteristically civil to put it mildly. Uygur is usually a complete left wing nut and Pincus usually appears borderline psychotic. Did the producers put Valium in their coffee? Did they pay them extra to act normally? Did aliens take over their brains? I will never accept Pincus as a spokesperson for the gun community despite one example of him acting like a human being.

  • Frank Seitz

    hate to say it but i quit listening after cenk said he couldn’t out wit his 3&6 yr. old.

  • Rbrown

    Rob hit the ball out of the park. Articulate, well informed, powerful. Thanks, Rob, for a meaningful and educational dialogue on a very emotional and politically charged topic.

  • Rock Island Auction

    Not mired down in statistics. Level headed. Civil. Confident and knowledgeable in your subject matter. Check on all counts.

    Thank you, Rob for being a great representative of the firearms community. Well done in what can be a less-than-amicable environment.

  • jmf552

    OK, you got me. I had you confused with James Yeager. But if my dog looked like James Yeager, I’d “shave his ass and teach him to walk backwards.” Everything else I said, implying that the discussion was a softball, I stand by.

    • Rob Pincus

      You should slow down and pay a bit more attention. Good Luck.

  • AirborneSoldier

    Ive trained a lot of men, but i enjoy Rob as i always learn from him.Very reasoned and well thought out.

  • Kevin Gibson

    VERY good discussion.