Silencer Shop Sends $2M+ Worth Of NFA Stamp Applications – In ONE Day

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Yes, you read that right: More than $2,000,000 in NFA stamp applications in one submission. From Silencer Shop’s Facebook page:

So, we have made it through all the orders through the 11th and most of the 12th. Over 1200lbs of Form 4’s and trusts off to the ATF. Over 2 million dollars in tax stamps alone. This is the largest number of Form 4’s ever sent to the ATF in one day, ever!

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Silencer Shop owner Dave Matheny.

In addition, sources have confirmed that Silencer Shop currently processes 49% of ALL Form 4 applications nationwide. That’s not just suppressors, but all Form 4 NFA transfers. Pretty staggering when you really think about it.

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Silencer Shop COO Gary Groppe

Other relevant stats:

  • Pictured is over 100 Boxes weighting about 12-14 lbs each, estimated at a total of 1200lbs.
  • This is twice the size of the largest number of form 4’s sent in one day in the history of the ATF for the entire country.
  • $2M+ is the largest amount of revenue that the ATF has received at one time (even though the money doesn’t go to them).
  • This is more form 4’s than the entire year for 1998 (as reported in the 2015 ATF report).

Now the big question is, where do we go from here?

If you have forms in the ATF system, do you expect to see approvals in less than 12 months? Are silencer sales going to plummet under the new regulations? With the return of Form 3’s to the ATF eFile system, will dealer to dealer transfer times be reduced? Will new applications get processed faster or slower than before 41F?

Only time will tell, but stay tuned. We hope to bring you additional post-41F news before the week is over.

For new submissions, Silencer Shop has been planning ahead. Last month, TFB brought you the exclusive last on their Secure Identification Documentation (SID) kiosk system.

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From the Silencer Shop blog:

July 13, 2016, is a date which will forever live in suppressor lore. On that Wednesday, the much-discussed ATF 41F rule goes into effect, kick-starting a new process for suppressor ownership approval. Because we’ve known this industry-wide change became a reality in early January, we at Silencer Shop embraced the challenge and viewed it as an opportunity to apply technology to the system in a manner that was unavailable before ATF 41F’s enactment.

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Silencer Shop: Secure Identification Documentation kiosk

And just because I like Innovative Arms, here’s a Silencer Shop review of their M&P 15-22 Integrally Suppressed rimfire carbine:



Pete

LE – Science – OSINT.
On a mission to make all of my guns as quiet as possible.
Pete.M@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • Indiana Dave

    I hope mine makes it to the ATF before that shipment gets there!! Actually I did all my form 1 via the eform so they will get there ahead of that. And I only did one form 4 but it was an AOW that I owned as an individual to my trust so I get to hang on to it until processed. That is great news about so many going to the ATF.

  • Harry’s Holsters

    That’s insane! I love seeing things like this. Silencer shop must be killing it!

    • Pod

      What’s sad is that it has to be done to begin with. Getting what is essentially the same thing as a muffler for your car shouldn’t require paperwork and a $200 tax.

      • blame criminals for the reason they got added. other countries that allow them its the guns that are the nfa items.

        • Pod

          Actually, NFA items were rarely used in crimes. The original NFA called for all firearms to be taxed and registered, but the final bill only included “evil” SBRs, machine guns, suppressors, and SBSes just so the government could say it “did something” and keep the shrill harpies in the voting bloc quiet.

          • not true. Machine guns were quite common in gangland crimes, bank robberies. silencers were more used for poaching hence why a lot of anti-silencer laws were put in place prior to the NFA and hence why had to be amended when these states accepted NFA laws regarding silencer.

          • Pod

            Even back then the media exaggerated both the problems of poaching and “gangster” crime.

            We still see this propaganda today. A few high-profile incidents and the left is howling to “ban all the things”, because things are scary. Despite the fact that overall crime has been going down. Crime with automatic weapons wasn’t a huge problem, it was just a smaller issue with a few high-profile incidents. The newspapers of the day would have led you to believe that the streets of Chicago were knee-deep in blood. Not really the case.

            The NFA was a naked attempt to gut the Second, but the most onerous provisions (taxing all firearms) were removed late in the process. The tax only remained for “scary” firearms. Because the government had to appear to have “done something”.

          • tjg1984

            I didn’t necessarily say that all NFA items were frequently used in crimes, just that the idea of restricting “gangster weapons” (which sometimes and stereotypically included machine guns) was part of the justification.

          • Lee Attiny

            I believe the number is 7. In the last 15 years 7 people that owned an NFA have commited a crime involving a firearm. (Note: in none of these cases was it even specified that they used the NFA item in the crime, they simply owned an NFA item).

          • Pod

            This is true. I do remember some research being done on the subject, and out of those 7, only once or twice was the NFA item directly involved. In the other cases, it’s akin to me smoking pot, getting busted for it, and then blaming BMW because I have one parked in the driveway.

        • tjg1984

          The entire idea of the NFA should be questioned. As I understand it, it was sold to the public based on gangsters’ misuses of various weapons during Prohibition, but the solution to that problem was the repeal of Prohibition.

          • bbies1973

            The NFA was just as it appears. A tax. A tax that priced these items out of affordability for the common person to be able to afford. Only the elite (and the criminal) would be able to afford it.

            Remember that, when they start trying to add taxes to our ammunition.

      • Harry’s Holsters

        Agreed!

  • Why do I feel as if the BATFE will lose like 15% of that paper?

    • Budogunner

      The sad thing is, those whose paperwork gets lost won’t know for like a year because we are all entering wait time Hell.

    • bbies1973

      Only 15%? I think you’re giving them a lot more credit than I would have.

  • David Harmon

    That is like $3k in paper alone, and countless weeks of busy work for useless bureaucrats.

    Can we stop wasting resources as a nation yet? I thought the government was supposed to be going green, which means less waste, like requiring hoops for devices that don’t actually do anything other than distort sound waves…

    • Budogunner

      You are required by law to have a muffler on your car, but look at what we have to go through to get one for a firearm.

      Those in the hobby know “Hollywood Quiet” doesn’t exist so a suppressed firearm is no more of a threat than unsuppressed. They are just safer for everyone around.

      • itsmefool

        Most perfectly succinct comment so far!

      • David Harmon

        Well, a .22lr bolt action is really quiet with a can on it. You can’t even hear it past 10 meters unless you’re really listening for it.
        Not that I think it should make any difference whether a person can shoot silently. Criminals don’t care about laws, and if they are going to assassinate someone they will likely just make their own or steal one.

        Stupid laws are stupid laws, and only seem to hinder the non-stupid among the populace.

    • Jim Jones

      Part of the reason for the antiquated ATF system is that we don’t want a federal database of gun owners. Folks have worked hard to keep the ATF in the stone-age, and part of me agrees with that. Now, it’s time to work on getting silencers and SBR’s out of the NFA’s purview.

      • David Harmon

        I have no issues with the stone-age tech, but they could hire more staff.

        I think the NFA should just go away. Could be replaced with regulations governing explosive devices instead.

        • bbies1973

          ” ….Could be replaced with regulations governing explosive devices instead.”
          Like our ammunition? Please don’t give them any more ideas….

          • David Harmon

            Devices has a very specific definition for the ATF.

  • Brian

    This is why the hpa will never pass. That’s a lot of revenue.

    • Nashvone

      “That’s a lot of revenue.”

      With the number of people necessary to process one application at government wages, I’m willing to bet the ATF loses money on each stamp.

    • Ben Pottinger

      It’s *not* “a lot of revenue”! First, the money doesn’t go to the ATF, second, you guys are thinking on a normal human scale, not a “richest nation on the planet” scale. The ATF’s budget for 2015 was over 1.2 *billion* dollars. So 2m$ is less than 2% of their budget.

      Instead of posting on every nfa article “nom nom nom, law XX will *never* pass” send some emails/letters/faxes/calls to your reps. Fire the crappy reps and replace them with decent ones. I’ve already got Massey and Paul in my State, I just need to get Mitch canned now. In the meantime I constantly remind him how he should be voting.

      It’s not impossible or hopeless. We’ve gotten ccw almost everywhere and are getting constitutional carry in more and more places. We are getting more wins then losses right now.

      • Theo Braunohler

        Um, the $2 mil was just a couple days’ worth of stamps. From one company.

        • G B

          Yeah but SilencerShop isn’t exactly just “one company”. They’re the biggest silencer retailer in the country by A LOT. And it’s not exactly “just a couple of days’ worth”. It could be a couple of days or it could be more, but regardless it is on the eve of the largest change to the legality of silencers since 1934.
          Also like Ben Pottinger said, the money doesn’t go to the ATF. It goes to the DOJ whose budget in 2015 was 27.3 billion dollars. That changes the 1.67% to 0.01% by the way.

          • Decimal Places Aren’t Hard

            You people are terrible at math. Really… simple… math.

            Stay in school longer. You’ll be smarter, get better jobs, earn more money, and be able to afford more and better guns.

    • bbies1973

      Nothing compared to what they bring in on Tobacco. Federal tax alone is a dollar per pack. You’d have to buy two stamps per year to keep up with the average smoker.

      The bigger problem is, when you take suppressors off the NFA list, what do you do with excess government employees who are no longer necessary, but impossible to get rid of?

      • Sdale

        Send them to the fires of hell where they belong? 🙂

  • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

    Aaaaaand, this is exactly why the NFA is an antiquated process that must be destroyed.

  • John

    Silencer Shop is practically a law firm now lol.

  • Pod

    Sad that this has to be done to begin with. It’s why I believe that the Hearing Protection Act, in it’s current form, is doomed. It proposes to do away with the tax. The government isn’t going to leave money that people are used to paying on the table like that. I would have offered an olive branch in the form of leaving the tax intact (and treating it like a cigarette or gas tax) and getting cans off of the NFA. Then later work on repealing the tax.

  • datimes

    18-24 month approvals, if you’re lucky?

  • lifetimearearesident

    As someone who lives in the state of MD I predict that the rush of applications will completely overwhelm the BATFE processing center and result in huge increases in turn around times. The reason I mention my home state is because this happened to us in MD when the liberals passed more gun grabbing laws in 2013. But there was time to act before the new law passed so folks bought guns by the truckload. The state police handgun review process which normally took a week turned into a multiple month process.

  • Cymond

    “sources have confirmed that Silencer Shop currently processes 49% of ALL Form 4 applications nationwide.”

    Can sunshine explain how that works? SilencerShop is in Texas, right? So they can do Form 4 transfers to Texans, right?

    What am I missing here?

    • Chrono777

      They file form 4’s for their FFL’s. So they file form 4’s for the entire country.

    • bbies1973

      There are storefronts all across the country that are something like “franchise” operations of silencer shop, but operating under their own name. I just recently discovered that my local shop is one.

      Go to silencer shop’s website, plug in your zip code on the right where it says “select your pickup location” and you will see the ones in your area.

  • Dave D

    Anyone else worried about the boxes on the tailgate? I can only guess this was a photo op and they didn’t try to go down the road. Can only image how many Form 4s are in just one of those boxes falling off the truck.

  • Wow!!

    I’m excited for 41F. I bet more applications will be submitted now that CLEO sign off isn’t needed. I know I’ve been waiting to submit until that wasn’t required. And there are plenty of people who couldn’t get it signed before.

    But yes in the end SBRs, SBSs and suppressors need to be removed from the NFA.

  • Jeff S

    The Trend Graph on NFAtracker is going to go off the charts! Glad I got my Form 4s in back in March and April.
    Hurry up and wait!

  • 22winmag

    A large proportion of gun and NFA enthusiasts slam the government and the legal system as “illegitimate” and “oppressive”. Then they proceed to legitimize and support them with slavish compliance to their outrageous laws. In short, most gun and NFA enthusiasts are among the most compliant (aka supportive) folks out there when it comes to legitimizing tyranny.

  • ElmiraFudd

    Still waiting on my Can.