Why No Volkspistole? POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, or Trademark dispute?

H&K VP9

H&K VP9

Volkspistole translates into english as People’s Pistol. The term originated in Germany towards the end of WWII when the German government decided they needed cheap weapons to arm civilians as the Allied armies drew nearer. The Volkspistole project set out to develop a cheap, easily manufactured pistol, which could arm the masses.  Walther, Mauser and the Gustloff-Werke built prototypes but none ever went into production.

H&K VP70. Photo © Samuli Silvennoinen

H&K VP70. Photo © Samuli Silvennoinen

Back in the 1970s Heckler & Koch manufactured a pistol called the H&K VP70. The “VP” stood for Volkspistole, the “70” for 1970. In 2014 H&K begun manufacturing a pistol sold in the USA called the VP9 (Volkspistole 9mm). This new VP is considered a spiritual successor to the original VP70.

H&K VP9

H&K VP9

Strangely enough, in Europe the pistol was branded the SFP9, causing a lot of people to scratch their heads and wonder why the name change for just the European market. Most concluded the change was made because it was politically incorrect to reference a German WWII firearm concept.

When I blogged a photo of the H&K SFP9 and called it “The Politically Correct VP9”, readers responded by saying NO the name was not Politically In-Correct, it was simply changed in Europe due to trademark issues. These readers said B&T probably had a trademark on the name. A few years ago B&T begun selling a fully suppressed pistol called the VP9, designed for Veterinary use.

B&T-VP9-Apertura-Pag2

Our German friend Axel looked into this issue for us and discovered that H&K owns the trademark for “VP9” in both the USA and also in Europe.

hk vp9

So it appears H&K is marketing the VP9 as the SFP9 to avoid offending Europeans and in fact B&T may have had to license the trademark from H&K in order to sell their VP9 in Europe.



Steve Johnson

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  • Bill

    This is important why? Political correctness? I really doubt I’d have my pappy’s last rites at the local funeral parlor if it was named the Dachau Family Crematorium, even if Old Man Dachau the Undertaker was a perfectly fine gent.

    • In some states funeral homes are legally required to be named after an owner.

      • Bill

        I did not know that, hope there aren’t any funeral directors named Crispy von Auschwitz.

        • Dan

          I’m going to hell for laughing at that.

          • Longhaired Redneck

            You’ll have some good companions along with you!

  • MrEllis

    Why drum up a false sense of drama about it? What exactly do you dislike about “political correctness?” Just say it without using the term.

    If it’s bad for marketing, chances are they won’t use it, that’s called “common sense.” If a company wants to disassociate themselves with Nazi Germany it’s pretty safe to say that’s a “good business move.” Or do you want to live in a world that associations to the Nazis are considered good marketing?

    I’ll hope it’s just click-bait and I fell for it scrolling through.

    • Ceiling Cat

      Maybe some people actually want to and you should step out of your safe space for a change.

    • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Ever heard of Volkswagen?

      • MrEllis

        Yup, owned one for years. Them and Fanta are better at PR than gun companies. This does bring up a valid point on this being even more of a false drama induced situation.

        • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Yep, drum up old drama

      • VW doesn’t quite share the same stigma, as they were originally designed for *civilian* use (never mind the fact that almost all wartime VW production was for military and government use; the same could be said of Ford, Chrysler, and Chevy here in the States).

        The Volkspistol and Volksgewehr were explicitly intended for military use, in a service nominally (and generally actually) under SS direct control.

  • Brocus

    So when do we get the swastika engraved Kristallnacht edition or are we going to suffer at the hands of the PC brigades again???

    • Ceiling Cat

      From the comment section is seems so. Who cares though? Nationalism is going through its 19th century phase again. Soon we will have another Wehrmacht and another set of collection of commie killing weapons. Hopefully something electronic and really advanced this time.

      • Paul Joly

        Hopefully nothing you mean.

      • Phil Hsueh

        Germany currently already has another Wehrmacht, it’s called the Bundeswehr. All the Wehrmacht was was the name for the German armed forces during WW II which included the heer, luftwaffe, and kriegsmarine, it was not the name for the German army at the time or the Nazi party; in fact, the (Waffen) SS was not even a part of the Wehrmacht although operationally they were attached to Whermacht units, primarily the army.

  • MechanizedSwede

    Vote for trump much?? Its pretty obvious that many people in europe will not buy a pistol that is named after a nazi-firearm. I myself have a grandfather born in 1933 and suffered alot during the war, and still have ptsd. If i were to call him and say “hey pa i just bought a volkpistole”, it would be nothing but sick. No this is not “political correctnes”. Its just common sense. I dont think you understand that ww2 is not just some glorified war you read in the history books. Its still a wound on the continent, that will take decades to heal. So take your garbage journalism and shove it.

    • Ceiling Cat

      Your Grandpa should be happy that he grew up in a place where the Hitler Youth existed.
      >Mechanized Swede
      >Swede
      >Anti Donald Trump
      Nah, just keep doing what you are, banning guns and self defense for natives and helping the poor “refugees” that somehow didnt choose Turkey but rather a perilous journey to Europe for “safety”.

      • MechanizedSwede

        I tried to make ut obvious, but in case someone didnt understand. I was trollin

        • Ceiling Cat

          Lol, you know where we are right? Gun Forums are the last place to make sarcastic remarks.

          • MechanizedSwede

            Yeah i know, but i blame a boring day at work. Cheers

      • MechanizedSwede

        You should really read up on the firearm laws here though (the country of legal full autos). And self defense is completly legal, dont know were that myth started. Its just not legal to shoot someone in the face because they are intruding on your freedoms

        • randomswede

          Well… “Legal full autos” comes with quite a big footnote.

          It’s also a little funny that Ceiling Cat assumes MechanizedSwede’s grandfather is Swedish born, a mute point but amusing.

    • john huscio

      Can’t tell if serious.

    • From my understanding it was 1986 when the German government stated that the rebuilding from WWII was finally complete.

      • The war in Europe only officially ended in 1990, when the Major Powers of the Allies agreed (read: “The Soviets finally agreed”) to sign a peace treaty and surrender occupation control of Germany.

  • Tritro29

    … It’s curious that H&K will go to such lengths now that the memories are far more blurred, but would release the VP70 25 years after they got a nation-wide indictment for not so nice things they did around Europe.

    If anything even the term VP70 for VolksPistole looks rather strange as the gun was far from being “Volkisch”, it’s a tight package, in polymer frame, full of ingenuity and … “Voll Automatisch” (Pistol).

    So. Is this VP really a VolksPistole? I think we’re looking once again at something this page tends to shine at. People putting their own labels to things that don’t mean what they think they mean.

    Tempest in a teacup: Ami edition.

    • ostiariusalpha

      All of HK’s internal literature is consistent that the “VP” of VP70 stands for Volkspistole. The VP70Z was meant for civilian sale, and had no provision for burst fire or a detachable stock.

      • Tritro29

        I never said it’s otehrwise, but it’s clearly not a last stand/Gladio pistol. It’s impossible to repair the thing, nor reproduce without proper tooling.
        Also the huge majorityof the VP’s is the Militär Pistole.

        • ostiariusalpha

          Perhaps not a last ditch weapon, but they were very cheap, simple guns: straight blowback just like a Hi-Point and the polymer frame made the gun less expensive to manufacture even in the 70’s. In fact, our own Alex C. only paid $550 for his VP70Z that he obtained in 2014, despite that they are somewhat rare guns. And the Militär versions are not the “huge majority” either, neither type was all that terribly successful, with the Zivil being only slightly less common. In fact, some countries only bought the civilian model and that was the only version imported to the U.S. Also, none of the Volkisch guns from WWII were designed to be repaired, they were disposable weapons meant for a disposable militia.

          • Tritro29

            Thr VP70M were the most sold (about 4000 of them went to various law enforcement agencies and other security agencies around the globe, I belive only 6/7000 were serialed by H&K). About 100 VP’s have ended up around the former Security apparatuses behind the Iron Curtain.

            The VP isn’t exactly a “disposable” gun. As for the real Volks Waffe they were actually designed so parts of those rifles that would be needed could be produced in simple workshops.

            I can hardly believe that a Stay behind gun, which was space age material, could be dumped at the price point of the time (The VP cost per unit was roughly the same than the Walter MPL (about 150 Deutche Marks).

            The VP is one of those examples showing that innovation has a cost.

  • Ceiling Cat

    I thought this place isnt about politics? Bringing this up and already some Americunts down there are crying Holohoax.

  • Zachary marrs

  • A Fascist Corgi

    You don’t see the same type of hysteria over the Soviet Union even though they committed way more human rights abuses. CZ even released a version of their 75 pistol with a red hammer and sickle on the side of it. Can you imagine the outcry if Walther released a P38 that had a swastika on it?

    • Evan

      I guarantee that Walther’s connection to Nazi Germany and the Wehrmacht has indeed cost them sales in Europe.
      The MPL/MPK were fantastic sub-guns, at a fraction the price of the MP5. The P88 was a heck of a pistol, too.

      • It also cost the Germans a shot at a license for the FAL. Belgium as willing ot go *quite* that far in rearming Germany (although, strangely enough, they had few problems *selling* West Germany FALs and Uzis…)

    • It doesn’t matter how many people your government killed – it only matters if they won. Which is why the Sickle & Hammer can fly freely atop its mountain of corpses.

      • All 22,000,000 of them from WWII.

        • TheRealKivaari

          Yes, and 10 million Ukrainians starved to death on Stalin’s orders in 1930 (so called Holodomor), millions of central and eastern Europeans shipped to labor camps and many, many more worldwide.

        • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          He’s correct. The victors write history.

      • Dave

        Really Frosty? Where is that pray tell? Um, “Fascist Corgi” isn’t your hysterical post proof that one always sees knee-jerk hysteria and diversion of discussion of German fascism? “But…but…STALIN!”

        Good thing ya can buy plenty of Nazi Waffenampt, hakenkreuz proofed WWII surplus firearms… Even made by slave labor in the Greater German Reich under the direction of the SS! “Drool…slobber…”

        • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          What is your problem Dave. You can still buy Indian artifacts too or artifacts from the war of northern aggressions. And the Yankees taught the Nazis how to rape and pillage.

          • mbrd

            add to that eugenics, a field our noble supremes supported in an eight to one decision in 1927, led by oliver wendell holmes. this was the adopted basis for the national socialist “solution” to the “jewish problem”.

            granted, the u.s. supreme court decision was a poorly forged judgement that never sought to exterminate an entire race, but it was also the constitutionally elaborated “legitimization” in the eyes of hitler and his zealots.

            when human beings get together and start talking more than working, or start talking about how to control other human beings that are busy working, things go sideways.

        • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Isn’t it time to stop persecuting the Germans for history alongside stopping persecution of the US for slavery? There is no one alive from The Civil War or a Slave from that period. The same is becoming true for WWII as the greatest generation of America dies off. The bankers in France and England forced the Germans to bankrupt their people and nation to pay the French and German bankers money. Had this not happened, the world would be a different place. But then we are being forced into taxation slavery to pay for our bankers folly here in the US . Even though malfeasance was proved, not a single banker was jailed.

      • L Cavendish

        same with stars and stripes…how many natives killed?

        • Hokanut

          Apples and oranges much?

          • M.S.1

            No, not at all actually. Not to mention the slavery bit, or the deliberate spreading of syphilis in the black population in the US south in the 1930’s onwards…. and these are just the things we know of. The only reason the US is the “good guy” is because they won. You can be sure that if ever the US id occupied by a conquering power, all sorts of horrible secrets will come out.

    • Bill

      Given the amount of nazi paraphernalia at the average gun show, somebody would buy it.

      • That always seemed so strange to see at least one booth selling that junk.

        • L Cavendish

          a lot of that junk…souvenirs taken by US soldiers…trophies…
          back then they could take the guns as well…

          • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Exactly. A friend of mine has the center out of a Nazis flag mounted with other trophies his father brought back. It’s in a place of honor.

          • Sure as a war trophy—

          • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            So do you have a problem with people collecting it as part of military history?
            I don’t but then I collect a little from CSA. Some liberal cretins try to put the Confederacy on par with the Nazis as they rewrite history, rewrite what’s acceptable, rename Robert E. Lee streets and schools. They are pulling down, defacing and vandalizing monuments to our honored war dead.
            I don’t see a problem with collecting part of history. Some believe if you shouldn’t speak about the bad parts of history, all the while punishing an entire nation for the choices of the long dead kin. I am not in that camp either.
            I like the Imperial German period myself but outside of a few Lugers, rifles, I don’t have anything else from WWI. But then except for my CSA collection, I have to admit the only thing from WWII that I have any interest in are weapons, and the history of it. I have more books about WWII than I have anything going else.

        • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Why strange? It’s history. Usually there is someone selling civil war stuff at some shows around here.

        • Mikial

          I know you’re not one of those revisionists who would try to rewrite history. The Nazis were enemies of mankind as were the Japanese in WWII. They were our enemies and their paraphernalia to most of us is an honored reminder of our victory over them. My father and two uncles fought in WWII, my brother in Korea, my cousin in Viet Nam, and I spent 2 1/2 years in Iraq.

          I have a footlocker full of Arab paraphernalia. Why? Because they were my enemies and after 4 IEDs and an whole lot of other misadventures, I survived. I have pictures my father took in Italy in 1943 and 1944 of German tanks and prisoners and all the destruction because a warrior’s greatness is measured by the enemies he fought,.

    • n0truscotsman

      history is written by the victor.

      Now imagine the reaction you will get walking throughout any american campus with a swastika shirt on…

      • jay

        You see che and castro shirts all the time. I’ve even seen a few mao shirts. No one knows the history of the murderers represented on their shirts. Nor cares. I’ve also seen shirts with big vagina’s on them too? No one seems to care, so probably a swastika wouldn’t be a big deal. Just don’t wear an Israeli flag. That’s will get you mugged. Who could figure?

        • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Or an American flag or a Trump hat…Oh, or a battle flag of the Virginian Army

          • jay

            I have seen very few American Flags. Some of the sensitive snow flakes think of empire building when they see them, and have to go to the safe room. I have never seen a student wear a Trump hat , either. You know about the melt down, when some one wrote Trumps name in chalk in some schools quad, right? Anything from the south is not tolerated, except perhaps in the very most southern of southern areas, in the south. So trolling much?

          • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I was comparing them to the Israeli flag. What was your point? Where you on that TV show that was about nothing?

          • jay

            My Bad. Misunderstood you. You were adding onto the things that would get you mugged on college campus’s. Got it. You weren’t trolling me. And you are right. Anything considered Conservative or Religious is a no no. As for what was my point, sorry you missed it. I do Wish I had been on seinfeld, I’d be retired now. But personally couldn’t stand the show or the actor/comedians. Arrogant and full of themselves. And only minimally talented. But in the right place at the right time.

          • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You missed my point I was pretending to miss yours. Never watched Seinfeld, no firearms

          • hoochbear

            Trump about as close to Neofascist as you can get. Now, Online there’s an old cover of rolling stones –one is draped in Confederate Battle flag. of course,f damnedyankees & sociolibs dont have a clue that the Stars and Bars aint the Battle Flag. If they just LOVE people displaying that flag & singing Dixie, how would you think they’d feel if the flag was The Bonnie Blue Flag eg part of Texas independence flag, eg Originally the flag of the short lived Republic of West Florida. a single white star on a blue field. And singing the song of the original BAND OF BROTHERS….We are a Band of Brothers,,and Native to the Soil….. goes on to identify Northern tyranny and aggression and the order of Secession… of Southern states. .Google it up. Cheer & sing.

        • hoochbear

          Prehaps some outposts of the JDL are needed. In the US.

        • n0truscotsman

          I bet you a pile of money that you would get mugged!

          Crazy to think about, but totally believable.

          • jay

            No, I’m more of a discreet kind of person, until threatened, then I have nothing to lose. And I’m of the blood of Sinclair.

      • Hokanut

        Liberals are turning marxist even if they don’t see it themselves. Soon the funny mustache will be back in style among dims. The brown shirts are at every Trump rally and even accepted by their leadership.

  • xebat

    I’m so fed up with the unlimited guilt and anti war/firearms mindset of almost all people in my country. At the first moment i would be able to, i would move the United States.
    There, people don’t go nuts at the first hint of anything that has to do with military or firearms. Too bad it’s very difficult to make it happen. This has gone so far that even tough i’d give my life gladly for this country and have served in the Bundeswehr, that i have the United States Flag hanging on my wall instead of the German flag, which is still looked down upon when you wave it in Germany(except during soccer tournaments) ;(

    • Evan

      I agree, from America. And apologies, friend; the current situation is partly our fault.

      I remember reading a couple years ago a German general suggested creating a medal for valor, for soldiers in Afghanistan, and a lot of the German public lost their minds.

      • Seriously that is over the top!

        • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Please explain. The medal reaction or his first comment?

    • John Yossarian

      The saddest feature of post-WWII German guilt isn’t that your military is treated disrespectfully, but that your entire culture is treated the same. This sort of self-hatred is going to continue to invite the brunt of Islamic Jihad and EU tyranny.

      • A Curmudgeon

        It sure contributed to the disaster of the Munchen Olympics in 1972. A bit of a turning point in my social and political education. Note that “Black September” was in fact a reference to an event of Muslim-on-Muslim violence.

    • gunsandrockets

      I hope you make it here and when you do, welcome!

      However, a word of caution is warranted. The United States is a big nation, and parts of it are so bad they have those attitudes you want to flee from in your native land.

      • John Yossarian

        Aye – Wherever you seek freedom, steer clear of large populations. Like the maps of old, “There Be Dependents!”

        • Tassiebush

          So true the words urban and freedom don’t really work together.

        • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Think the real translation is “Here there be dragons”
          But large populations are just as dangerous as dragons.

      • Ben Pottinger

        Yup listen to those other posters. Your welcome here in the great state of Kentucky! And here you can own suppressors, machine guns, or just about anything you want! 🙂

    • iksnilol

      Look at the bright side, you didn´t end up like Japan did.

      • John Yossarian

        You kidding me? Japan has its sovereignty. I thought you’d understand, being from Norway and free of the EU.

        Since 2010, European Union nations were the only ones in the world that haven’t experienced economic growth (except for Iran and French Guiana).

        Meanwhile, surrounding nations such as Iceland, Switzerland and Norway pick up the pieces. Here’s hoping now for the Brexit, and many more to come!

        • iksnilol

          I was thinking more in regards to culture. Japan became weird culturally after the nukes.

          Regarding sovereignty, it isn’t that useful for them considering they’re dying out of old age. They’re the only country in phase 5 of population distribution (in regards to age). That’s pretty close to catastrophic.

          • Herr RosaKörperbehaarung

            No, they liked porn before the nukes, but the nukes did make them fond of wild hair colors and Elvis.

          • iksnilol

            AND THE TENTACLES, DON’T FORGET THE TENTACLES!

          • Tassiebush

            A lot of the former axis powers and their allies all have some frisky kooky examples. The Italians and their bunga bunga parties. The Germans of course with a bunch of genres I dare not list and those eager to be consumed. The Austrian captive family slave thing. Thailand is an interesting place too. If they’d won the war the mind really boggles as to what things would be like!

          • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            And they don’t have those parties in NYC or San Francisco? Faulty logic

          • Tassiebush

            Haha got me, I was totally hoping no one would point out the huge volume of similar stuff in non Axis countries!

          • hoochbear

            great cabarets, Lots of good flicks with Nazi girls not just blond, in boots, flicking whips, a masochist’s dream

          • How so? I haven’t noticed that among your average Japanese.

          • iksnilol

            The tentacles, the weird vending machines, nothing about that is weird to you?

          • I guess I just write it off as part of the culture.

          • deserada

            What is “The Dream of the Fisherman’s Wife”?

            Despite all that has happened, not much has changed. Japan is still as weird and as influenced by the west as it was during isolation.

          • Yeah, Japan’s always been weird by European standards. Due to more exposure, we’re just more aware of it now.

          • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Not any weirder that 1/2 the stuff going on in San Francisco, especially with gerbils and other small rodents

          • iksnilol

            I’M JUST A SWEET AND INNOCENT COUNTRY BOY, I DID NOT NEED TO KNOW THIS!

          • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Which country?

          • iksnilol

            The redneck part of Norway.

            Where people drink moonshine, make figure 8’s in the dirt with tractors and have intimate relationships with people that may or may not be cousins.

          • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I am in the red neck south but then as a red neck, I don’t consider that a hardship.

          • L Cavendish

            average Japanese…
            they are very good at hiding things…saving face…or only showing what they want you to see…

          • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Weirdly culturally? You mean like charging a machine gun with a bayonet affixed because you’re out of ammo and the Emperor commands it.

          • iksnilol

            Well… that is kinda weird, but understandable, whilst neo-Tokyo is just plain old weird.

          • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I am amazed at their issues/hangup around sex such that it’s impacting their birth rate in a very dramatic fashion.

          • hoochbear

            No. the fixed bayonets on lugs will be used with the flash hiders, forward handles, all the characteristics of Semi Ass salt rifles to rob banks in San fran or New Yawk citi. to The anti’s– forget the guns..Two of the fastest growing high school sports are…archery and… fishing. Just imagine. 1,000 Bass boats each with 2 archers & driver, .with $1,000 Hoyt Bows and carbon fiber arrows with retractible blades, entering New York Harbor. Led by the Robertsons. Dangerous. ell no. Just want to go to the Hank Williams Jr concert in central Park! LMAO! any laws against bows? Bloomberg would have a Cow. LMAO

    • Wolfgar

      This PC virus is in all western nations and growing. Believe me you are not alone in your disgust. I’m glad people are starting to wake up. If you ever decide to come to the US come to Montana, you will be welcomed 🙂

      • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Amen. The “PC virus” is a great analogy

    • Dave

      Aw, gee whiz. Darn history ruined everyone’s Prussian militarist pro-war/pro-firearms-in-service-to-the-Volk-goose-stepping-parade. I wonder why that is?

      • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        And we don’t have any bad history? What’s your point? Did we that the Indians any better ?

    • Hokanut

      Visit Mexico then walk across the border. But do it before Trump is elected.

      • hoochbear

        It would take at least 50,000 illegal Mexicans to help build Trumps Wall. Plus some construction materials eg cement & rebar would go out of sight. Unless of course we bought structurally deficient from China. aLL i’M SAYING,,,,,,,.I would feel a little better about Trump if he would propose building an aqueduct from the Mississippi basin to californica. And charge by the gallon. Of course the extra water might cause gigantic mudslides & trigger the SA fault. . and we would have to start buying those veggies from Mexico.

    • hoochbear

      what you need is a good weekend dose o, a tailgate party with a big plate of bbq pork, an Alabama-Auburn Iron bowl – with close to 100,000 screaming fans, a night time pig hunt with night vision equipment. and a gun show in Birmingham Race day at Talledega a night alligator hunt and couple three days at Orange Beach to relax gorging on seafood to top it off. .

      • xebat

        This ;( Thank you for making me more jealous of your freedom.

  • Dave

    So an article that antiseptically refers to: “The term originated in Germany towards the end of WWII when the German
    government decided they needed cheap weapons to arm civilians as the
    Allied armies drew nearer. The Volkspistole project set out to develop a
    cheap, easily manufactured pistol, which could arms the masses. ” frets about “political correctness” whatever that means?! Really! Uh, “pot=kettle black?”

    “the German government” being the Nazi state that sought to have its NSDAP gauleiters recruit and arm a last-ditch militia since the armed forces had largely been destroyed in its bid to subject all of Europe to colonial status and murdered some 11 million non-combatants or civilians to do so? That “German government”? And then you use “the masses.” Really? The MASSES?

    Maybe HK can ingratiate themselves to you guys by branding it the “Kraft durch Freude pistole” or KdFP? Hmm?

    • Ceiling Cat

      You mad? Did your grandma get sent to the Holocauster, the giant electric chair or the masturbation machine?

  • It’s actually the other way around.

    Pictures of the pistol labeled the “SFP9” surfaced in Europe about one or two months before the official announcement was made of the “VP9”.

    It’s my understanding that the gun was originally meant to be labeled the SFP9 worldwide, then somebody at the HK USA marketing dept. had the brilliant idea to call it the VP9 on the other side of the Big Pond to refer to the VP70.

  • derpmaster

    VP9 is also the name of an HEVC-type video codec developed by Google.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    “Veterinary pistol” my a-s.

    Why was its debut at an arms show instead of a livestock show?

    Thats an assassins weapon. Its perfect.

    EDIT: And I want one real bad.

    • iksnilol

      Uh, I think it is good for veterinary purposes. I mean, for assassinations, do you really want to go for what´s basically .380?

      I mean, Gavrilo did that and it didn’t go so well.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        I wouldnt try it at any range but it would be extremely useful for eliminating sentries.

        • iksnilol

          For sentries a bolt action .22 LR with a scope would be better. Quiet, precise.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            What if you have to get close and take out multiple bad guys? Youd probably want a 9mm.
            Im just talking out of my a-s of course.

          • iksnilol

            True, but I always imagine it is better to take them out at farther distance. Even a suppressed .22 LR can be heard at close distances.

            So a silenced .22 LR at about 100-150 meters is pretty much ideal.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Yeah, but nobody takes a .22 into combat. At 150 m you might as well use an M4 with a long barrel and a can.

          • iksnilol

            Oh goodness, no, of course you have something better with you. But you also bring that .22 LR with you.

            That’s why it is a special purposes weapon.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            True, but I could see this pistol in action with SO outfits who have to get very close very quietly and leave without making much racket. And you wouldnt bring a .22 rifle into a house to quietly take someone down.

          • iksnilol

            I’d just say “por que no los dos?”

            Give one guy the awesome McSuperAssassin rifle and the other guy the pistol.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            I was thinking more of an urban environment with lots of civilians around. A place where you cant just walk around with a rifle.

          • iksnilol

            Aaah. I see that one.

            COvert assassinations all the way baby! AKA a regular day in good ‘ole Norway.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Yeah, like when the Israelis were hunting the Munich terrorists.

          • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            They did that up close and personal. Except with the bomb in the fridge

          • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            And have another caliber of ammo? Just do a 9mm or a suppressed 556/762. Pointless to carry an extra rifle with extra ammo. And poor strategic planning, other than that it’s a great idea

          • iksnilol

            OKay, so a bolt action 9mm and a 9mm pistol, both integrally suppressed? Would that work?

          • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Yep that works

          • hoochbear

            Understand that during 1980’s Israeli mob control used full auto, suppressed version of Ruger 10/22. sit low on ground under barrricades & behind police shields & shoot protestors in kneecaps. hmmm Nice touch of de Mafia. Today, with 25 round BMX & CCI Hollow points, make a fine little RX f for Baltimore strain of Rock Chuckers . or Liquor Store Barbarians. The pistol version would be even better. Picture please, on de video, Stackem up at de door,it wouldnt be kosher to pin them in & let them burn from their own gasoline. too much karma. Course if the police had been allowed to use requisite # beanbags & rubber bullets, & some permanant dye on all those degenerates, they could show off their battle wounds to the media, but WHERE did all that black & UV paint come from?. Law & law abiding need to turn the tables via social media, good zoom camera work from (sniper) positions, break in to network circuits & show the miscreants in the act. then offer $20 cash– 2 dime packs– to their druggie friends to turn them in.

          • hoochbear

            just a nice construction site with a few extra nail guns.

        • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Ever seen a pick of the Vietnam Era S&W M39 “Hush Puppy” 9mm? Used on dogs and sentries.

      • L Cavendish

        many use .22s…one or two into the skull

    • randomswede

      It’s a modernized Welrod.
      As we all know the Welrod was used primarily by British veterinarians who were flown into France for veterinering during the mid 40-ies; the British SOE, Special Operations Ecologists.
      Suggesting that a weapon with identical function would have a different use in modern times is just silly.

    • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Look at Silencerco new 9mm with built in suppressor

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        True but this gun is still quieter because there’s no slide action noise.

        • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          I’ll take the semiauto

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Maybe not but I’d still take the VP9.
            It’s a rarity and possibly the quietest 9mm ever made.
            Would definitely make an excellent addition to any collection.

          • You can’t. *Imports* of NFA stuff for private registration and possssion after 1968 is banned. They are “pre-May dealer’s samples”, and the only way to legally own one for private use is *if* you acquire it as an NFA SOT (dealer, importer, or manufacturer) and it is registered in *your* name, you can keep it when you go out of business… but you can only transfer it to an active SOT, export it, or sell it to a military branch or police department.

    • Well, it is a copy of a WWII British pistol designed and built.for the SOE, explicitly for assassinations… (Google “Welrod”)

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        I know.
        Im familiar with the Welrod.

  • Rock or Something

    I don’t know if there are any relations, but that “Veterinary” pistol looks quite similar to the Welrod pistol made around, ironically enough, WWII for clandestine service.

    And why Veterinary Pistol? Is it made for Ol Yeller when he gets rabies?

    • Anomanom

      That’s because it is pretty much a modern version of the Welrod pistol. Not so much for dogs, but for euthanizing injured or diseased livestock, horses, etc. which tend to be kept in groups and may panic in a dangerous fashion at the sound of a (unsuppressed) gunshot.

      Obviously some orders will be for clandestine use.

      • guest

        Yeah, sure, that is the exact intention, absolutely nothing to do with being an assasination tool. Just like that supressed rifle… with case catcher net. Right.

        • De Facto

          Source for that rifle? Sounds intriguing..

      • Cannoneer No. 4

        The U. S. Cavalry, Field Artillery, Quartermaster and Veterinary Corps euthanized horses and mules with unsuppressed pistols and revolvers. NCO’s carried a piece of chalk in a trouser pocket with which to draw an X on the condemned animal’s forehead for the soldier to aim at.

    • Red McCloud

      They’re doing it for the same reason why they called Pedersen devices pistols: deception. A ‘Veterinary Pistol’ sounds a lot nicer than ‘modernized version of a gun meant for short-range assassination’.

  • wetcorps

    Well, at least this time the content matches the obnoxious capitalisation in the title.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Moot point.
    H&K will never produce anything cheap enough for the masses.

    • Green Hell

      Volkswagens are not the cheapest cars eather (in fact, they are actually the most expensive ones in it’s class).

    • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Amen on that. Those letters and symbols add $300-400 per each

  • gunsandrockets

    Back in the 1990’s, when imported Chinese SKS rifles were selling as cheaply as $99 retail, my FFL friend and I used to jokingly call them Volksgewehr.

  • Dave

    I’m not going to argue about what most of you feel about the german attitude towards “a nation” or firearms or post ww2 guilt. However, it VP was really meant to be Volkspistole, I’m glad, they didnt name it that.
    Volkspistole in late war nazi germany wouldnt have meant, what you americans understanding of Volkspistole is. It wouldnt have meant the arming of the people as individuals so that they can freely defend themselves and have the means to do it.
    Read about Volkssturm and their other weapons like the VK98 or VK1-5. Those weapons where made as crudely as possible, surely affecting the effectiveness, and then given to elderly and children (with no proper training or leadership). Those people were than forced to “fight” pointlessly against much better trained and equipped and lead soviet regular angry troops. So they either died in the hands of the russians or were executed by SS as cowards.
    And THAT really is a disgrace. So with those in mind, who think about what i just described and then want to have a Volkspistole, I’m glad they didnt name it such.

    • Bill

      That was my understanding: after Hitler lead all his military into the abyss it was time for the elderly and kids to hold the line, i.e. get slaughtered.

    • jay

      Terrible to do such to your people. The Japanese were in the process of arming their leftovers with bamboo spears and explosive back packs. That would have been a real mess. Instead of 200k dead from our bombs, it would have likely been 2 million civilians and 500k US soldiers.

  • Fruitbat44

    So H&K don’t want to sell anything called “VP” themselves, and they don’t anyone else selling anything “VP” either? -scratches head-

  • Jonathan Ferguson

    Have you contacted H&K for their explanation?

  • Joe

    So the pistol is the same here and there? Parts? Pull? capacity? etc?
    If so. VP9 is a great pistol!

  • Bob

    If B&T came out with the VP9 to market before H&K did then it makes sense simply from a marketing standpoint. H&K could very well own the VP name and B&T is paying a royality. But the main issue on the name change has to due with marketing.

    If you have two products out there with the same name, it will actually get confusing for the customer since the majority of buyers sadly as dumb as a box of rocks.

    Look at how many people call a Hi-Point .380 a “Glock 40”.

  • Bob

    None of this is Post-War Guilt…. it is marketing folks.

    Two pistols…. called the VP9 would be a marketing nightmare for either company and further more every vendor would have an issue too form their distributor.

    HK changed the name for Europeans markets for marketing reasons.

    Happens all the time in the video game market too.

    The Sega Genesis was the Sega Megadrive in Europe. The Nintendo Entertainment System was the Famicom in Japan. The Turbografx 16 was the NEC PC Engine in Japan.

    Marketing folks….. Hell, the Sega Dreamcast’s classic little orange swirl in Japan and the US was blue in Europe due to another company have a similar design in orange.

  • MemorableC

    I see it as the SFP9 here in canada too.

  • RSG

    I’d get in a foxhole with you any day. You’re more of an American than nearly all the people living in NYC. You only live life, once. It should be spent here in the promised land of America.

    • RSG

      This was a reply to Xebat

    • hoochbear

      you only live twice. once for yourself. Once for your dreams. Live them both over here.

  • durabo

    I don’t mind the Volkspistole; just O’Bunghole’s Volkspolizei (Vopos).

  • Zebra Dun

    If it comes down to the people having an arm because all the others are gone or more expensive “Zen Ze Folk ist needen ein Karabiner” not a pistol.
    My idea of what a Volkspistol is the .45 acp Liberator.

  • Will

    That certainly went down hill in a hurry.
    What happened to the gun talk?

  • Mikial

    To paraphrase Mae West . . ‘People who are offended easily should be offended more often.”

  • Kivaari

    I want the Vet Pistol. A Welrod, in a serious caliber.

  • bobfairlane

    NS Germany owes no one guilt or compensation. The “holocaust” is a perpetual scam to target white people worldwide for extortion and to use the money to create zionist governments to crush white populations especially Germans. Semites are anti-white.