Brazilian Firearm Training

Bope

Here is another firearm practice that might have you shaking your head or cause you to wince. The purpose of this style of training is to reinforce situational awareness. The instructors walk across the shooting line in front of the targets while the students are shooting. The shooters must be aware of what is around them and not just tunnel visioned into the target. Albeit we do not know at what stage of their training this is, I think we can assume the trainers are confident in their skill set that this can be done safely. This training is not for everyone and while I personally would not want to be downrange of firearms going off, I can see how this could help these officers.

 

 

Here is another video of similar content.

 

I am not sure but this might be video of BOPE training. Can anyone verify if the shooters are from BOPE in Rio?



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

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  • Jim

    Perhaps if NY cops did this they wouldn’t shoot so many bystanders.

    • Maybe if New Yorkers got out of the damn way and duck and covered when criminals were being shot at there would be no bystanders hit.

      • Jeremy Star

        I doubt it. The last shooting I read about officers fired 47 rounds, hit 7 bystanders (one multiple times) and caused a bunch of property damage. They hit the suspect zero times, and he bolted and got away.

  • Sianmink

    You can accomplish the same thing with a no shoot target on a remote control rig. This is ridiculous.

    • MAF

      Dude, that stuff costs money. Instructors are apparently cheap!

    • Phillip Cooper

      No, you can not simulate the psychological stress…

      “Crap, I might shoot an instructor/acquaintance”
      “Crap, I might shoot a no-shoot target”.

      One of these gives you a sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach, even if you don’t like the guy (nutjobs that like to shoot people should have long since been weeded out if they even made the Qual-course). The other involves shooting at a target.

      • Sianmink

        Hit the no-shoot target and you’re fired.
        That’s plenty stress enough. live-fire exercises need to be conducted in a way that doesn’t introduce unnecessary risk. does BOPE really think it’s harder than the SEALs because the SEALs don’t expose their instructors to stupid risks?

        • Bill

          It’s cultural – if a SEAL gets killed in training there’s a Congressional inquiry at the behest of his parents. 10 million risk assessments revisions get done, instructors are crucified, and so forth. Other countries have different values.

          And I use a remote control rig. But part of me thinks there may be some merit to this type of training, with LE/Mil folks that are already at the highest levels.

        • Phillip Cooper

          You do realize that SEALs and similar train in shoot houses with live ammo, often with their instructors sitting inches from targets, don’t you?

          To say nothing of the fact they’re actively crossing each other’s lines of fire during such drills and movement-to-contact drills.

          Hell, even as a dumb leg, we did have instance where weapons were llive as we did movement under fire.

          • CommonSense23

            No seal is going to be sitting inches from a live target, not sure where you are getting that crap from.

  • 12judges

    I agree that this is taking things a step way too far, but I find it interesting that going all the way back to WWII you find not a lot of live fire training, but training “under” live fire. The low-crawl barbed wire, m60 static drill for instance.

    In other words, I’m not sure what the above type of training is designed to accomplish, but I feel that there are advantages to simulating to combat trainees the sensation and realistic experience of being shot at. That includes real ammunition, albeit under very safe, strict and controlled circumstances.

    If you know you’re at the pointy tip of the spear, I think training should be as realistic a simulation as possible, even if you’re walking that thin edge. Call me old-fashioned…

    • Tritro29

      The fact that they need to take down people in all out chaos or mind their SA You guys have completely stuck in mindsets. These people do this for a living. They don’t train for show. These are all situations that have at some point happened. There’s a lot of things that the super duper specialists do in Russia as well, including shooting at each other while wearing BP vests. You got to understand that there’s a whole universe out there that isn’t US Law Enforcement or Military.

      • Bill

        American LE training is REALLY risk-averse, probably to the detriment of officers fresh out of the Academy. I’d love to emulate the Brits and have 2 weeks of driver’s training, that included actually getting out on roadways and chasing instructors and so forth. But as long as we have an over-abundance of liability lawyers…..

        • Tassiebush

          In 200years history classes will examine how Western civilization groaned and collapsed under the framework created just in case things go to the arena of court.

          • Bill

            Ironic – I was on the stand in court for 3 hours today testifying about problems with a training program, not of my own choosing.

          • Tassiebush

            Wow your day sucks!

          • itsmefool

            Three hours ain’t even gettin’ started on a thorough deposition!

          • Tassiebush

            True but anything court related is high on hassle IMO.

          • itsmefool

            Agreed!

          • Tassiebush

            I’ve noticed that judges can be very judgemental! :p

          • itsmefool

            And then there’s that whole “legislating from the bench” thing!

          • Tassiebush

            I’m not familiar with that term but I presume it means the way the courts interpret legislation and suddenly we’re all stuck with a new precedent which practically has the effect of a non democratic change to the law?

          • itsmefool

            You are correct; some judges think their roles go beyond the legal realm and into the legislative!

    • Phillip Cooper

      We did the wire crawl under barbed wire and grazing fire in 1989 in Ft. Benning. It’s not just WWII..

  • mike

    I’m actually somewhat impressed by this. It’s similar to live fire exercises in the military, where people have their safety arcs, and once someone comes into your arcs you have to stop shooting.

    If you notice, every individual has their own arc that they are responsible for. When an instructor comes into their arc, the muzzle drops. They’re not shooting around the instructor, or even pointing anywhere close to them. All the movements are very controlled.

    Yes, there’s risk. But I think it’s pretty well done.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      It is risk, and obviously it’s unecessary risk. But yea, could be way worse!

    • CommonSense23

      Its useless training. It doesn’t improve performance. All the guys shooting are doing is paying attention to the walkers. Hes not improving his shooting skill.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        I don’t like it, but it’s not entirely useless IDEA to give shooters some required steps to break tunnel vision… But this we can agree is not the way to do it effectively. The idea is there, the execution does seem basic and relatively dangerous.

        If this is a “special” police class, I hope it’s one of the first days. As I can think of some better ways to force people to compartmentalize their shooting vs thinking vs stress.

  • Nandosreis

    Definitely looks like BOPE. The uniforms are black and the instructors have a Rio accent. Seeing as there are only 6 or 7 shooters left, its probably towards the end of the BOPE academy. Its kinda like SEAL Hell Week, they start with like 40 or 50 candidates and slowly whitle the group down to a select few.

    As far as using the instructors instead of no-shoot RC targets, its done to up the psychological pressure. Theres a great movie about BOPE inspired on true facts called “Tropa de Elite”, I think its called “Elite Squad” in English, im not sure if it was ever oficially released here in the US though…

    • Hensley Beuron Garlington

      Yes, the sequel was even better in my opinion! Great movies.
      I never want to go to Brazil. LOL.

      • Bill

        I’ve been twice on training gigs – even their street cops are hardcore, though there have been corruption problems in the line staff. Parts of Brazil, I was in Sao Paulo, are about on par with Juarez.

        It’s nice to get off a plane and have a cop hand you a GLOCK and some spare mags, as kind of a welcoming gesture. I go to New Jersey and they practically do a cavity search at the state line.

        • Hensley Beuron Garlington

          That’s the least can do when gangs are shooting down their helicopters. Stay safe. Though that training would be invaluable. I’ve always wanted to go to Israel to train. Brazil second. I just don’t want to necessarily work there.

      • Igor Marcio

        vem não mano, na boa mesmo.

        • Hensley Beuron Garlington

          Eu não estou

          • Igor Marcio

            Oê, fala português também jovem?

          • Hensley Beuron Garlington

            Desculpa. Traduz Google melhor que eu tenho .

          • Igor Marcio

            OK, i have post in english to you, right? I want to test you portuguese after post in english. lol

          • Hensley Beuron Garlington

            LOL. No, you’re good. I don’t speak Portuguese. Barely speak Spanish and French. Heck, my English isn’t perfect. LOL.
            Google translate helped me.

    • gqukyo

      Yeah love those movies! The guy is great as Escobar in Nacros.

      • Igor Marcio

        Narcos***

    • Tassiebush

      I’m a big fan of it and own the sequel

    • Billy Jack

      I know the second film is available on Netflix here in the US. The first I saw years ago on dvd.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Good thing he put on that eye-pro!

  • Anomanom

    You see Ivan, when train like this, you will never shoot the inaccurate for fear of kill instructor.

  • Anomanom

    Is it just me or do police officers frequently seem to be really bad shots.

    • politicsbyothermeans

      I would be a much worse shot if I had a 12lb trigger pull between me and center of mass on a goblin.

  • Anomanom

    Also that headline makes it sound like the police managed to shoot someone in a whole different city.

    • Billy Jack

      It borders the Bronx. The guy may have just been getting his car fixed nearby.

  • Bill

    I shouldn’t do this, there’s always at least one trainee who hates me.

  • The problem isn’t the number of rounds fired it’s not hitting your target.

    • Paul White

      well….40 rounds going wild is more likely to hurt people than 2 or 3 rounds going wild so inthat sense it’s worse.

    • kevinp2

      I agree completely, but the poor hostage was shot ten times…

  • With NY having 32,000 officers the city fathers are looking at cost of ammo and salaries not making sure officers get the training they need. That’s a common problem with most major cities.
    Our training on the other hand was 60 rounds for quals and you could go through the course as much as you wanted to. They also were allowed to provide ammo to officers for practice.
    Qualification was also on shotguns and ARs with plenty of movement in the course of fire. 12 out of fifty gets you assigned for additional training and you rode a desk until you improved.

  • flyfishr

    Well, he did take the time to put on eyes and ears.

  • Bal256

    The best part about these articles are the people in the comments sections praising third-world military training methods.

  • Cymond

    Dude , how are you doing those embedded quotes?

    • kevinp2

      You use the blockquote tag.

      Stuff here…

      Omit the space after the starting angle bracket.

  • Brazilian Customer

    Yes, it is BOPE. I live in Rio de Janeiro and know their shooting range and some of the BOPE members personally.

  • scaatylobo

    We all KNOW that you bear TOTAL RESPONSIBILITY for each and every round you fire.
    That being the fact’s,its too late to learn if your really good in the street when actually being fired upon = In my not so humble opinion..
    That is dangerous training and should be gotten to that level SLOWLY.
    But as a former trainer of LEO’s at the range,I see it as VALUABLE .
    And would love to see those that are not really passable on firearms at academy level —- let go.
    Instead of “remedial” training that manages to pass ALL that we know are not responsible with a loaded gun = EVER.
    They would never get to this level of training as all the instructors would NOT dare walk in front of them,win = win.

  • Town22

    Got to be specially selected personal for urban incursion. The Favelas in Brazil are no man land. There are youtube video of a gunfight within that community.

  • Wynter

    I saw a documentary a few years ago where they showed this exact same thing. I do know that I’ve watched documentaries on BOPE also but I can’t recall if this video was from the BOPE version or not, I’m leaning towards yes. I wish I could remember the details so I could find it and watch it again. If I remember correctly it was about an American who was former military or LE who was invited to come train and “ride along” with BOPE. I think they met during a training exercise in the US. Of course I’m on woohoo meds so details are fuzzier than a caterpillar’s butt.

  • Nandosreis

    Achei que fosse pelos uniformes, pelo sotaque parece ser no Rio… Po que sorte hein! Quem dera conhecer o estande deles…