Facebook Cracks Down on Private Firearm Sales With Terms Of Service Change

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Last Friday Facebook announced plans to take a new, very active role in preventing users from advertising their firearms for private party sale. Many of you will have seen the news being reported on by the mainstream media, but something I found missing was a source where Facebook directly stated that they were going to curb the face to face transactions that many of these groups thrive on. I reached out to the Facebook newsroom for some clarification as to what they are planning to do if anything.

I asked Facebook “Recently it has been reported in the news that Facebook will be baring users from arranging sales of firearms using the site. Can you expand on this further? Will this mean that Facebook will disallow gun sales groups where private parties find other private parties to coordinate a offline sale?” Facebook’s Jodi Seth responded with “Hi Patrick โ€“ yes, thatโ€™s what it means.” I was unable to get Facebook to provide a press release or expand on their decision further, Jodi stated that she would provide me with some background on the decision but I have not heard back at this time.
I have noticed many of the groups changing their name to something like “Hardware Exchange” or something of the like in an effort to stay low key, I am doubtful that this will work as Facebook certainly has all of the old data backed up on a server and is relying mostly on tips from users in that group to shut down offending groups. Since the last response from Jodi Facebook hasย shut down several firearm sales groups and I have been getting reports of people who were administrators for those groups that after they have their group shut down some of them are being temporarily banned. Facebook’s sister site Instagram has also adopted the same policy and is prohibiting private parties from advertising their firearms for sale.
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Patrick R

Patrick is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and works in the shooting sports industry. He is an avid recreational shooter and a verified gun nerd. With a lifelong passion for shooting, he has a love for all types of firearms, especially handguns and the AR-15 platform. Patrick may be contacted at tfbpatrick@gmail.com.

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • Kyle

    Oh well, I try to log onto facebook as little as possible. So fark em.

    • Vizzini

      You know, even when you’re not logged on, as l long as you have the Facebook cookie stored, they track you all over, at every site that has Facebook code.

      • tts

        Yes. I think it can even track you to some extent even if you only use FB through a Private Browsing Window. Gotta use uBlock or some other equivalent to maintain some semblance of privacy these days.

  • Kefefs

    I joined a few local groups a few days before this was announced, and I have to say, I’m not too broken up about it. It was nothing but used guns for MSRP and admins personally attacking/harassing users commenting, even politely, about prices. Also had quite a few people advertising guns that were defective/broken but hiding the fact unless PM’d directly about it. When it was rumoured that Facebook would stop private gun advertisements, the groups went from peddling overpriced crap to threats of violence and long, paranoid diatribes detailing how Facebook and Obama were out to get them, and how users should start “shooting back” or “march on Facebook”. This behaviour wasn’t a few bad eggs throwing a fit, they were the norm and turned into pinned posts by the admins so everyone can see and “like”. I left those groups immediately, not waiting for them to be shut down, as I don’t want to be associated with people like that.

    Of course this is just my anecdotal experience in local Michigan groups over just a week. I’m sure most sale groups weren’t filled with psychotic tinfoil-enthusiasts, so it’s sad to see them all swept up in a general ban, but I’m personally not losing any sleep about my local listings. The idea of letting people set up private sales over Facebook was a good one, and in theory works wonderfully, so I feel bad for the people who used local groups to coordinate most of their sales.

    • Bear The Grizzly

      That’s pretty spot on for my part of the country as well. I’ve seen more than a couple posts for used Gen 3 glocks asking brand new Gen 4 pricing citing “no reliability issues like newer models” as the reason why. I just stopped looking after the third time.

  • Slim934

    I seem to be seeing a small exodus of those groups from facebook to some upstart competitor called Mewe. That may be worth looking into for folks who were doing that sort of thing and have now been screwed over.

    • Jason Kelley

      Facebook just bought MeWe in the last day or two, so it won’t matter for long.

      • Patrick R.

        That is not true, that is a gag floating around.

        • Jason Kelley

          I stand corrected sir…

      • Slim934

        I was just about to say also (until I saw Patrick’s post) that this is untrue. They even mentioned it on their own blog that it was a crock.

  • Tassiebush

    That notice about the types of sites they remove mentioned sales of products. I would be very interested to see if this will effect all sales or just what they don’t like.
    Personally I think Facebook has grown too big to the point where it’s influence is unhealthy as it on the one hand hosts a lot of debate but also controls it’s content. There was also the whole business of the time they did research by manipulating newsfeeds to see what influence it had.

    • Patrick R.

      I agree that it has far too much influence. If it weren’t for family that lives all over the country and friends of my late brother I wouldn’t even have an account.

      • 12judges

        The sentiments of probably 1/3 of N. America’s fb users I’m sure, maybe more…

        • Tassiebush

          And not just North Americans. Ponder the cultural influence it has setting the tone with the North American version of political correctness.

      • Tassiebush

        I can totally see where you’re coming from. It’s so insipid because it is so universally adopted that it’s virtually an act of self isolation to withdraw from it.

      • Vizzini

        My family just deals with it. They can figure out how to Skype or email me.

      • Michael_Walters

        Agreed. It’s the only way I can easily keep track of friends and family around the world. Truthfully never thought of it as a way to buy and sell stuff.

    • smartacus

      hey did you hear yesterday FB took down the pages of Santa Cruz Armory and even Kentucky Gun Co.
      a TTAG reader got kygunco’s page put back up

  • Michael

    The ban is not entirely a bad thing as The Unknown Cat points out.
    https://youtu.be/-MzdZ6ZtNNE

  • USMC03Vet

    Called it.

    This is a coordinated attempt to denormalize legal behavior and a multi billion dollar industry. The guise of preventing illegal activity will be used to shut down discussion and mere presence is occurring before our eyes. Imagine if this were any other group being targeted for use of their civil rights. It wouldn’t stand.

    • smartacus

      we need to counter-demoralize them!
      Start by VICIOUSLY SHAMING anyone who still uses F*ckerberg’s F*ckbook.

      Slut-shame any woman who use it as a narcissist

      And we need to show some CONTROL OVER OUR OWN FAMILIES by banning them from using it.

      • Brocus

        I’m glad not to know you beyond this despotic comment.

        • smartacus

          The feeling is mutual, you filthy Fakebook apologist.
          i hope your empty life gets filled with Fakebook time and nothing else

          • Brocus

            you do know that what your comment calls for would actually violate constitutional and legal rights rights? Are you able to comprehend that?

          • smartacus

            And in your brainlessness you defend the same people who would violate your right to life if they could. Are you able to comprehend that? No seriously now. just answer me this: How can you be so grotesquely unintelligent as to even post this and declare to the whole world your lack of intelligence??

          • Brocus

            I don’t rely on a social networking site for my 2A rights. I notice that you haven’t answered my question.

          • smartacus

            thank you for the typical “lost this one so i’m gonna keep typing” reply. You filthy facebook lover

          • Brocus

            never mind, it seems all anyone can ever get out of you is insults instead of a factual reply on the actual topic. Have a good day.

          • smartacus

            and make sure you enjoy coitus with your facebook page, you filthy facebook lover

          • Ok drop this line of childish bickering. It adds nothing to the topic.

          • Kefefs

            Read his other comments. It’s some kind of poor attempt at trolling.

          • smartacus

            said the troll

          • Patrick R.

            Did you just measure self worth by how many comments someone has?

          • smartacus

            I’m not biting the bait Patrick.
            Climb off me, i’m not the bad guy, but a valuable friend

          • Patrick R.

            I am in mood to argue with a commenter but you need to show other people respect here.

          • smartacus

            my comment just got put on hold. (probably for some catch word)
            so here’s another try: i didn’t see you say the same to the guest commenter who started this by not simply disagreeing but calling me desp0tic

          • Kefefs

            I have 1/14 the number of posts yet almost half the upvotes compared to you. Quality is better than quantity.

            Also, two people disagreeing with you doesn’t mean they’re the same person.

          • smartacus

            rofl!!
            that’s EXACTLY what i would say if i had more than one login.

            -obviously your life is such that upvotes are important to you,
            so i will give the hobo a quarter and give you an upvote ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Kefefs

            Thank you kind sir. I will return the favour.

          • smartacus

            geez, you’re that thirsty for upvotes in your life? Here’s another

          • iksnilol

            >The feeling when I realize I have more than 10000 upvotes.

      • Patrick R.

        You sound like a terrible person.

        • smartacus

          no i don’t

          • Guys if someone or a company uses Facebook or not is their choice. I wouldn’t call them a narcissist. That term doesn’t even fit the situation.

          • Brocus

            for what it’s worth, the insult loaded pre-edit version of that comment made moderately more sense than what was there at the time of your reply.

          • smartacus

            for what it’s worth; because all the mod actions were wholesale directed against ME yesterday, the guest commenter/taunter who started this whole thing now feels empowered with Carte blanche to tauntingly continue the “childishness” you asked to stop.

          • smartacus

            if a company uses Facebook it is their choice?
            Yesterday; FB took down Kentucky Gun Company’s page and not by choice.
            -thanks to a TTAG reader; it is back up now.

          • smartacus

            and he even gets upvotes for that

          • smartacus

            Yesterday; FB went further by taking down the pages of Santa Cruz Armory and Kentucky Gun Co
            Kygunco is back up now thanks to a TTAG reader.

            and i’m the one who gets told i’m a terrible person?
            There is no way to rationalize this or explain it away.

      • Tassiebush

        I wouldn’t presume to tell my wife she can’t use Facebook because of my stance on it and I don’t think seeking to target those who are apathetic to our concerns is any good either. Polarizing the middle ground into the other camp is a bad move.
        It’s much better to point out that in a democracy it’s a scary trend when social media owners start manipulating their users according to their own biases.
        A lot of quite varied groups have issues with Facebook. Breastfeeding mothers having pictures removed under obscenity guidelines being one of them.

        • smartacus

          i disagree with that.
          When Environmentalists tell people to ban cars, no car-drivers within their community ever worries about their fellow environmentalists polarizing the middle ground into the other camp.

          • Tassiebush

            I’m not sure environmentalists at the more extreme end of their spectrum could be seen as good tacticians though.

          • smartacus

            i dunno about that. They seem to be far better tacticians than us.

            We don’t even have a social media campaign for facebook to reverse any policies or face our boycott.

            Breastfeeding mothers only had to convince 15 advertisers to leave facebook before facebook capitulated.

        • tts

          If they were banning all discussion about guns and gun related groups you’d have a relevant point but since they aren’t you don’t. Plenty of other sale sites, like eBay for instance, have banned the sale of guns for years if not from the 1st day they were in business. Not much changed then and not much will change now.

          • Tassiebush

            I’m actually not so worried or surprised about sales. More concerned about the subtle ongoing influence.

          • tts

            I wouldn’t if I were you. Its the discussion that matters, not the gun sales really. If anything FB fairly conservative in bias if the pages I see my family and coworkers are any indication.

          • Paul Swaffer

            Actually they are. I was slapped on the hand regarding a post on a new pistol I bought and how much I liked it. My post was removed and I was told I would be banned for further infractions.

          • smartacus

            Hi Paul, i understand you completely. I’ve had a few facebook apologists here flag down all my comments yesterday. i dared not to like facebook..
            And i’ve NEVER had any comment of mine deleted since two years ago on some eco-mentalist religious website.

            *no way any fully pro-2A people could have done that. i know i certainly wouldn’t have.

          • tts

            Did FB or the people owing the thread you were posting in remove your post? Those are 2 different entities. Doing a quick n’ dirty check on some of my families FB’s are showing gun posters still able to post about guns.

            Googling from my PC shows gun stores of all places are still on FB too, with ads and everything listing prices for guns (Whittaker Guns pops up near the 1st page for me, YMMV).

            You sure something else wasn’t going on?

          • Heck we post gun articles and everything on FB and haven’t changed our post in years.

          • smartacus

            i know how that feels. i got my posts for this story flagged down yesterday by guest commenters. And a facebook-using mod even told me I am a terrible person.

          • Nicks87

            That’s because they cant, now put away your strawman.

          • smartacus

            i just read that FB took down Santa Cruz Armory and Kentucky Gun Co yesterday.
            Kygunco is back up now thanks to TTAG readers.

    • tts

      Its understandable if you don’t like their decision but to say its part of a coordinated effort is tinfoil conspiracy 9/11 truther level magical thinking. Also them not letting people advertise or sell guns through their service isn’t a violation or targeting of civil rights or 2nd Amendment rights either.

      Now if they were targeting gun sales to or by specific groups of people based on their beliefs or race…that would be a different story. But that isn’t what is happening. At all.

      • Jeff Suever

        I am not sure “coordinated” is exactly the right word as it implies a bunch of people formed a committee and met and have minutes of the meeting or something, BUT Facebook, Alphabet and Apple all are anti gun. With what happened to Hickock45 on YouTube and the policies around Google Shopping, it’s safe to say Alphabet is of the same mind. As is PayPal. Ballmer from M$ has come out as pro-gun control. So while they may not officially be coordinated, they certainly are of the same mind…..and there are no alternatives.

        • tts

          If all you’re worried about is a bunch of guys having a similar opinion about a given subject (ie. gun sales) and running their company accordingly with regard to them I don’t see why that is any sort of reason to go jumping to conclusion.

          Ebay, Craigslist, and many forums haven’t allowed gun sales for years and it hasn’t changed a thing. Many alternatives have also popped up to deal with this niche too so I don’t know why you’d say there are no alternatives. GunsAmerica, ArmsList, GunBroker, BudsGunShop, etc. are all places where you can either sell your used firearms, by other used firearms, or buy new if you like.

          They’re also all easy to use and have been around for years.

          • Nicks87

            I just want to know what your motivation is for posting in the comments section of this article and calling everyone tin foil hat conspiracy theorists? Facebook once allowed people to advertise for private gun sales and now they don’t. It’s politically motivated weather you believe it or not. But why do you feel so strongly that it isn’t and incessantly try to convince the rest of us that you are right? Is it an ego thing? I’m sorry but your motives seem to be that of a person who submits to authority, does NOT question the status quo and expects others to fall in line with you. “Move along folks, nothing to see here”. Does that sound about right?

          • tts

            My motivation is I’m tired of every little thing done by any person, place, or thing that isn’t totally pro gun being a conspiracy or devious, and BTW toooootally unfair*, plot with no evidence given.

            I’ve given plenty of other examples of sites who’ve chosen not to allow gun sales. No one freaked out about them. Not only not recently but to my knowledge ever.

            Politics doesn’t have to factor in to it, the legal issues are real enough, and there is nothing wrong with a site choosing not to do it. Especially when so many other options are available.

            *this is sarcasm BTW, FB is a private site, as others have noted they do what they want with it

          • Tulpa Doom

            “Politics doesn’t have to factor in to it, the legal issues are real enough”

            Show me the case where the owner of a website got successfully sued because a third party posted text about a gun for sale. If there isn’t any such case, then there is absolutely no “legal liability” justification for this move.

          • smartacus

            You’re right. Why do they feel so strongly that it isn’t

            and (with deniability) try to convince the rest of us?

            I NEVER EVER HEARD ANYONE say their motivation was they are tired of anything not totally pro-gun being conspiracy or devious.

            Some facebook defenders are so motivated, they will even say longtime commenters like me “sound like a terrible person”

            They are here already.

          • Aardvark

            A conspiracy theory is only a theory until it’s proven true. And by what you say it appears as though all of these social media outfits are absolutely “coordinating their efforts”, as more and more of them are following this trend.

          • smartacus

            exactly right.
            And even though there are other alternatives out there, you NEVER EVER EVER EVER hear anyone say; if you don’t like carsdotcom, you still got autotrader, craigslist, etc.

        • smartacus

          that’s true Jeff.
          they are not officially openly coordinated, but they certainly are of the same mind. And that is not by accident.
          And there is no room for those apologists out there to dismiss it as “tin foil hat”, or “conspiracy theory”, or “you sound like a terrible person”

          • Tulpa Doom

            Zuck was just at some UN summit reassuring the Fuhress that FB will do a better job of censoring criticism of her refugee policy from their site. The claim that these people, the global elites from big govt and big biz, are not coordinating on a political agenda is laughable.

          • smartacus

            Exactly!
            the only ones who still defend FB either share their agenda or NEED farcebook and can’t stop if they wanted to.
            Heck i even had one mod here go so far as to tell me in my face i am a terrible person.

      • n0truscotsman

        It isn’t magical thinking at all that companies like Facebook or Google have their own political agendas in regards to guns and other hot botton issues. And its not just in regards to guns either.

        However, in this case, I think it is simply a matter of publicity and to alleviate liability risks of a criminal obtaining a firearm from facebook and the crap storm that would likely follow.

        Facebook can ultimately do what it wants in regards to the gun issue, which is completely impotent. Nothing keeps me from selling a gun over facebook should my heart desire it. Or through ebay (i’ve bought a number of ‘unauthorized’ gun items from there, which is a violation of the Tos). or through craigslist.

        The internet is a funny animal that way

        • crimsonfalcon07

          To be fair, the “magical thinking” or “tinfoil hat” aspect of the criticism has nothing to do with any of what you guys are thinking it is. It’s entirely, if you read the comment again, about whether or not it constitutes some “coordinated effort.” Or, from the OP, “coordinated attempt.” Yes. Facebook is a private site, and the right to control what happens on your private property has been enshrined for as long or longer than the right to bear arms. It’s even considered a human right, where the right to bear arms is not. HOWEVER, that’s not what the criticism was about. The critique was about the OP’s claim that FB changing its policy was somehow part of some “coordinated attempt” (which, by definition, would need to involve multiple disparate parties who aren’t all the same parent company working together), and THAT sort of claim carries a burden of proof. It’s not about whether they have a political agenda. They probably do. And I agree with n0truscotsman that it’s probably primarily motivated by liability concerns and suchlike. But the issue is about “coordination of effort” in said agenda.

          Perhaps time to switch to tsu for these things?

          • Tulpa Doom

            The problem is that Facebook, Google, Instagram, etc, have virtual monopolies in their business areas. The argument that an owner has the right to prohibit speech he disagrees with on his own property makes sense when there are thousands of property owners nearby, but it stops making sense when he owns all the land in town.

            This is straight out of the leftist playbook of course — find an industry with high barriers to entry and a natural tendency for consolidation, dominate it, and filter out any dissenting views by anybody associated with it. It worked pretty well for the newspapers and TV broadcast networks.

          • crimsonfalcon07

            Yeah, so still, nobody is debating that. Talking around the point doesn’t change the fact that none of you are responding to tts’ comment. The issue is whether or not it’s a “coordinated attempt.” I don’t really disagree with anything you’ve said, although to be fair, there ARE other options; just not as widespread. If you really feel that way, it behooves you to take your business and friend circles over to something like tsu. But that’s still entirely irrelevant to the point that tts was making, and that I was responding to. That’s the problem with the “rightist” playbook. All too often it doesn’t have anything to do with the argument being made by the other side (not that the liberals are any better; I’m just teasing you for your irrelevant comment). It may be a good point, but that doesn’t matter if it’s not on topic.

          • Tulpa Doom

            I wasn’t responding to tts’ comment, I was responding to yours, which includes a lecture on FB’s property rights. It says that I was responding to you right next to my name above my comment. Does your browser filter it out or something?

            Moving your business advertising to a social networking site with almost no people on it is not a viable option. FB knows they’re the only game in town (through Zuck being in the right place at the right time and stealing somebody else’s idea) and they’re using that fact to push their leftist agenda on several fronts.

          • smartacus

            yup, and it’s working like gangbusters.
            Even some people right here who are in total opposition to their totalitarian agenda will still defend FB against dissent.
            I had one person below even call me a terrible person

          • crimsonfalcon07

            Ah, in that case, no disagreement here. But there’s no way to get alternatives without supporting one.

          • smartacus

            exactly, They are filtering out any dissenting views and it worked pretty well for the newspapers and TV broadcast networks.

            They are winning on comment sections too. Including here. Before yesterday; i haven’t had any comments of mine flagged down since some eco-mentalist website 2 years ago.

    • smartacus

      i think you are absolutely right.
      it is facebook’s attempt to denormalize legal behavior and a multi billion dollar industry.
      And you’re double right no other group being targeted for use of their civil rights would let it stand

      • tts

        Gun sales on FB aren’t a civil right though. And many other sites won’t let you sell or advertise gun sales on them either for years which hasn’t changed “legal behavior” or swayed public opinion either.

        Its perfectly legit to dislike this decision by FB but resorting to paranoid magical thinking to justify your dislike is never good.

        • smartacus

          it’s perfectly legit to dislike my opinion, but saying i resort to paranoid magical thinking to justify your side is never good

          • tts

            So where is your proof that FB is attempting to “denormalize legal behavior” here? Or that gun sales on FB are a civil right?

            If you have no proof then how did you reach either conclusion?

            I have no issue with you having your own opinion but neither me nor you or anyone else gets to have their own set of facts.

          • smartacus

            So where is your proof that FB is not?
            if you have no proof then how did you reach YOUR conclusion?

            i have no issue with you having your own opinion but neither me nor you or anyone else gets to have their own set of facts either

          • tts

            You’re the one making claims here, not me. Asking for a negative proof is also logical fallacy, but plenty of other sites don’t allow gun sales because they don’t want to deal with the legal BS associated with doing that sort of business. Indeed its normal not to allow it.

            So are you going to post your facts or what?

          • smartacus

            no, will you?

          • tts

            I made no claims. You did. My post was just pointing out the factual issues.

            If I’m wrong then it should be easy to show it if you have evidence.

          • smartacus

            i made no claims. all i did was agree to someone else’s post. That’s was enough to motivate you to reply to me, not even to the person who i was agreeing with

          • tts

            You claimed FB was “attempting to denormalize legal behavior+ multi billion dollar industry” and targeting gun owners civil rights.

            If you have evidence either are true you should post it or give it to a reporter or something. You can make a lot of money and maybe even put some of FB’s execs away in prison if either of those claims are true.

          • smartacus

            no i didn’t

          • tts

            *rolls eyes*

            Denial isn’t take back anything you’ve already said or convince anyone of anything FWIW.

          • smartacus

            then why are you taking back what you already said about having no issue with my opinion? All i did was agree on SOMEONE ELSE’S post and repeat his words verbatim

          • tts

            I already said I was talking about facts and not opinions though. That is why I keep asking for evidence and not just asking you to rationalize your opinion.

            Unless you have facts to back up your opinion we’re back to paranoid magical thinking which does no one any good.

          • smartacus

            you already said you were talking about facts and not opinions , meanwhile you initiated by telling me i resort to paranoid magical thinking to justify my dislike. That is not fact, that is opinion.
            (and that is not just my opinion, but fact)

          • tts

            If you have no facts then claiming there is some sort of conspiracy going on here out of nothing whole cloth is a text book example of paranoid magical thinking. That is why the 9/11 Truthers get mocked so thoroughly. They’re just making stuff up. You just can’t do that at all and get taken seriously.

          • smartacus

            but if YOU have no facts then all your talking down to me and saying paranoid magical thinking, is a text book example of narcissism.
            And don’t you think you are grasping straws now trying to conflate me with 9/11? You can’t do that and get taken seriously

          • tts

            You’re asking for negative proof again. Like I said, that is a logical fallacy. You realize that you litteraly cannot use logical fallacies without being fundamentally dishonest…or using paranoid magical thinking right? FWIW I don’t think you’re fundamentally dishonest.

            And 9/11 Truthers are a perfectly good legit comparison to yours and that other guy’s posts. In order for it to be a bad comparison you’d have to have evidence supporting your earlier claims. There is no logical dodge out of that. Not because I say so but because there straight up isn’t.

          • smartacus

            again. I’m not dodging out of anything, AUDI TTS, you are.
            For the umpteenth time; all i did was agree to someone else’s statement.

            You certainly have not left a single comment to the original poster, but to me.
            And why do you keep bringing up 9/11?

            What are you defending anyway?

          • tts

            Defending? All I’m really asking for is an improvement in the signal to noise ratio really. There are so many gun sites these days where people just seem to make stuff up and people get worked up about it. I’m tired of that. Its also not at all unreasonable to ask people to stick to the facts or present proof. Happens all the time to me. And it is a thread for discussion right? People are going to to disagree over stuff and I have no problem with that per se.

            I left a reply to him 3hr ago, well before your comment replying to him by about 2hr.

            I chose 9/11 Truthers as an example because they’re one of the more well known kooks out there who engage in all sorts of logical exercises to advance their theories but are well known for still having no evidence for them.

          • smartacus

            ahaaaa! now we get to the crux of the matter, the original commenter did not reply, but i did reply.

            You put in a lot of effort tonight , but the original commenter never even got back to you yet.

          • tts

            Yes and I replied to you to. In your reply you did say you agreed with him but also expanded on that a bit too. What is your point?
            I can’t hold 2 separate conversations along the same lines with different people?

          • smartacus

            so then your REAL issue is not my opinion (you already said you don’t care what opinion i hold), your real issue is “so many gun sites these days where people just seem to make stuff up and people get worked up about it” and that you are “tired of that”

            Welp, i can’t help you in your quest to knock down all those windmills. But i can help you by reassuring you that knocking me down won’t get rid of this REAL issue.

          • tts

            Ah so all this was just a prelude to you posting your evidence of FB’s conspiracy to suppress gun rights somehow some way? And that they’re suppressing civil rights by preventing sales of guns on FB?

            I freely admit that’d knock me soundly on my rhetorical tush.

          • smartacus

            i can’t try to prove someone else’s post. it’s not mine.
            all i did was agree to that post

          • tts

            Its the part after “i think you are right.” that we’re talking about here. If all you’d said was the 1st sentence I might’ve asked you why you think he was right instead of asking for proof.

          • smartacus

            the part after “i think you are right” was me copying his words verbatim and they are totally his not mine. THAT’S WHAT I KEEP TRYING TO TELL YOU.

          • tts

            If that was your goal all along you’ve done a spectacularly bad job of trying to tell me, or anyone else for that matter looking at your 1st comment, that.

            That being said I don’t think it entirely renders my posting or the point I was getting at useless or irrelevant: good opinions are based on fact and not conjecture or feelings alone.

          • smartacus

            you’re not alone though. You know who takes the same position as you on conspiracy theories? Lurpy. He commented down below

          • tts

            Yea there are a handful of other people trying to push for better quality posting but we’re few and far between. TFB is also a bit unusual too in that politics is discouraged which helps mightily. Most other gun blogs and forums are a cesspit in terms of quality posting for anything other than some technical details on a given gun or where to buy parts.

            It sure seems to me years back it didn’t used to be that way and it really sucks that its like that now. Anyways sorry if I spoiled your night. Or the thread.

          • smartacus

            no problemo ๐Ÿ™‚
            oh hey, which other gun sites are some of the bigger cesspits, so i know to avoid them ?

          • tts

            Eeeehhhh I don’t feel like naming names, comes across as stepping on people’s toes or they get triggered or something.

            I do like to visit The Firing Range over in the somethingawful forums though. I’m not saying they’re perfect but the signal to noise ratio there seems higher than most other places. Bear in mind that place has many sub groups some of which I can guarantee you won’t like. I don’t like some of them either so just stick to the Firing Range if you want good gun discussion.

            I do lots of reading and video watching over at InRangeTV and Forgotten Weapons too. PrecisionRifleBlog is also great IMO.

          • smartacus

            oh yeah, those people. But they aren’t disqus logins anyway so i don’t have to worry about staying away from them

          • I sure try to make sure people are civil but it only takes a couple of people to damage the topic most readers are interested. Many times it seems to be who can win an argument which seems very petty and immature.
            I’m not accusing you or anything close to that but I am agreeing with the observation that people used to be more civil in their disagreement on a topic.

          • romney2011

            Damn, all this wasted time and energy over symantics is worthless on either side. While people agrue senselessly do anyone realize our enemies; Obama, federal agencies, our elected traitor, hired bureaucrats, appointed traitors, islam, communism, atheists, etc. go about their way of actively, overtly and covertly, of destroying our freedom, culture, faith, families, and Constitution. But you guys just sit around like professors discussing inane ineffective subject matter. Damn! DO SOMETHING.

          • romney2011

            One thing to do would be to find another way to replace facebook. I have been saying for months and years, “STOP USING THE PRODUCTS AND SERVICES OF OUR ENEMIES.” So, thus say the discerning Christians and Patriots, “stop dreaming and doing nothing, act, support, get informed and plead with God to forgive this nation and every Christian individual, and come to our earthly and heavenly salvation.

          • smartacus

            More and more people here are now saying migrate to Mewe.

            All i did was suggest people tell their family and friends to leave FB.

            For that i got my posts flagged and called names by “guest” commenters .

            But it’s OK because the mods fixed it by correcting me for not being civil or relevant… while concurrently keeping up every last uncivil, irrelevant, and personal comment against me

          • smartacus

            i DID propose doing something! a couple of easy things you can do today.
            They flagged it down and called me everything short of Adolph H

            And the mods took their side too!
            They are that badly enslaved to their facebook.

          • When you stir the pot I know who I should look at for keeping the crap going. I believe I asked everyone to stop going after each other. We may not agree but the bottom line is we are all basically on the same side.
            If the bickering doesn’t stop I’ll be forced to shut down the comments for this post.

          • smartacus

            Phil, after you asked everyone to stop going after each other, the only one who listened… was me.
            maybe just maybe it’s not me at fault here?

          • I’m not placing blame. I don’t usually say anything directed at one person. If I think someone is a problem I’ll email them and keep it between us not for everyone to read.
            I’ve only blocked a post one time so the comments stop. I’m trying not to do it a second time. As I said a few minutes ago I’m not pointing fingers at one person. We should all know the rules on TFB. My big one is no politics followed by be civil with each other. It’s a simple set of rules that should be simple to follow.

          • Aardvark

            See my previous reply! And these social media sites would not be involved in “gun sales” by allowing groups to discuss guns and private sales among each other.

          • Old Vet

            What is the “legal BS” that you speak of, daily they allow FB users to slander each other, a legal problem, they allow questionable pictures to be posted, a legal problem…etc…

          • canislupus

            Excuse me tts! But you are making claims here. You are saying that Facebook is privileged to disallow legitimate business. If Facebook disallows firearms transactions and neglects to disallow other legitimate business transactions, they are making a political choice. I, for one, am going to close my Facebook account and that is my choice. I invite everyone who is aware of this new Facebook policy to do the same, as it is Facebook’s policy to erode our second amendment rights by denying its patrons the right to conduct business in firearms.

          • smartacus

            i second the motion to invite everyone aware of this new policy to close their FB accounts.

          • Secundius

            @ smartacus.

            One Problem. While Using FB as a Unwitting Third-Party in a Gun Sale Transaction. Because you don’t want to Leave A Paper Trail Back To Yourself. If ANYTHING Goes BAD in the Transaction. FB’s Records can be Subpoena, PISSING-OFF MANY MILLIONS OF USER’s, and ANY OF THOSE USER’s KNOW YOU. Guess WHO’S going too come Calling, on YOU…

          • smartacus

            They come calling and knocking to people all the time, even before FB was around.
            i know i made receipts of my F2F purchases for my own protection.

          • Secundius

            @ smartacus

            $207,000.00 for a Grumman F2F, NICE…

          • smartacus

            i should buy a Grumman LLV

          • MichaelZWilliamson

            As most people learned in 5th grade science, burden of proof is on the claimant. If you believe FB is controlled by the Nazis/Jews/NWO/whatever, it’s up to you to prove it.

          • smartacus

            No
            WRONG.
            YOU ARE WRONG!

          • Lawrence Oliver

            FB is obviously trying to “denormalize legal behavior” or at least demonize it. Banning it by its very nature is suggesting it is wrong or bad, especially after allowing it for so long. Is it a civil right to be able to sell guns on fb…? No of course not. FB is a publically traded company and can do as they wish in regard to content. I would not have it any other way. The government already sticks it’s nose too far into the private sector as it is. However, as consumers and users we have the ability to express our dislike regarding the services provided in hopes that they might change their policy. Contact the NRA and demand that they support a temporary boycott of fb. Will it make them change their minds, probably not but it’s better than no response at all. The only reason fb is getting away with pissing off so many of its users is that the site is so diverse in its users and practically without peer that it does not care. Even pissed of gun owners are still checking their messages, sending out birthday wishes and playing candy crush this morning. It’s like cable TV or the internet in general not many people are going without it. I considered dumping them myself but I would honestly miss keeping in contact with old friends that don’t live close by and family. Many folks have jumped to MeWe for their firearms sales page needs.

          • smartacus

            exactly
            it’s better than no response at all.
            How’s that ancient Latin saying go?
            He that is silent is thought to consent
            Qui tacet consentire videtur

          • Kelly Jackson

            So where is your proof he said that gun sales on Facebook are a civil right? I’ll wait

          • Aardvark

            Exactly, that is NOT what he said in the first place! He said FB was targeting groups exercising their civil rights.

          • John Henry Bicycle Lucas

            FB is a form of a free press. So is owning a firearm. If you take these two basics, well FB is attempting censorship of a free press. They cannot impede anyone that truly wants to own a firearm, they simply censor the ad in their own classifieds.

            In effect, they are taking the freedom of the press as their own property.

          • Donald Lentz

            Lmao…..Custom Facts….

        • Old Vet

          There is nothing paranoid if it is in fact happening before your eyes. Get a grip. He is totally correct in his opinion.

        • Kelly Jackson

          I get you’re a neckbeard and as such you’re euphoric in your own intelligence, but he never said Facebook was restricting a civil right, he said it was targeting people who exercise theirs which is true.

        • Remind ‘Em Who’s Boss

          You’re such a obedient slave, spouting that corporatist B.S.

          Of course we all have a civil right to engage in lawful commerce in a public space.

          The Internet is a public utility, made possible with billions of taxpayer dollars.

          If FB wants to restrict our rights–or protect thin-skinned brats from verbal owies–let them pay for and build their own internet.

          • smartacus

            i know, right?
            There are quite a couple of obedient FB slaves in the comments here.
            i got flagged down for suggesting people tell their friends and families to stop using FB.
            i even had a mod here tell me i am a terrible person.
            Oh yes, that’s how deep it runs.

          • I never said you were a terrible person. I’m the only mod and I know I said nothing like that.

          • Patrick R.

            He is mistaking me for a mod. The comments at that point were very hostile from Smartacus and some of the statements made were well out of hand. That line of dialogue was removed as a result of his behavior I think. I stand by my statement, though he is more tolerable now that he has calmed down a bit.

          • smartacus

            it was not you, but it was someone who, until now, i thought was a mod

          • No just me—–

          • Sgt. Stedenko

            So Craigslist, Amazon and ebay are evil constitution suppressing companies as well?
            Farcebook is a site designed for soccer moms, kids and mental midgets.
            You should fit right in.

          • MichaelZWilliamson

            Sweet. I’m going to start promoting gay matchups here. It’s a civil right in a public space.

            Right?

          • MichaelZWilliamson

            For the record, Fecesbook has banned me 30 times for making sarcastic jokes that went over their pinbrains and were deemed “hate speech.”

            But they have every right to be idiots and aholes on the forum they host.

            Grow up.

          • Donald Lentz

            Me too…Facebook Jail. …

        • JoelM

          They are constitutionally protected though via the dormant commerce clause. In addition to the clause applying to states, it’s been decided that private organizations/persons can’t drastically impede the flow of interstate commerce. That’s exactly what facebook is doing by banning gun sales. They are a large enough company that doing so has a measurable effect on commerce. The problem is nobody will ever take legal action against them because it’s such a weak case.

      • Hyok Kim

        Legal porns? Praise the motherhood, but ask not the stork where the baby comes from.

    • Old Vet

      I think a better choice of word for “denormalize” would be “demonize”, as that is what they are doing, demonizing good lawful citizens. Otherwise you are spot on about targeting.

    • Peacefull1

      I second that.

    • Donald Lentz

      Agree…Facebook and it’s minions are libtards from that area of California that is extremely progressive liberal. Can’t wait for anonymous to build the better and non Orwellian replacement as they have vowed to do….sending Facebook by way of MySpace..

  • smartacus

    if Fakebook banned motorcycle sales; they would be rightfully sued for Billions and lose every last appeal… and the Constitution doesn’t even mention motorcycles.
    *NTM motorcyclists would be boycotting FBI-book in droves instead of shrugging and logging back on

    • Kefefs

      Why would they be sued? And why would the courts rule against them? Facebook is a private company who can run their site however they’d like.

      • smartacus

        oh puhleez. Spare us the worn-out clichรฉ of it being a private company who can run their site however they’d like.

        • smartacus

          hurry up with your reply Kefefs!!

          • MrEllis

            If their shareholders don’t care for the choice they can sell.

          • smartacus

            If their shareholders don’t care for the choice they fire management

  • junyo

    Facebook has always been and will always be a datamining and personal information collection service. If you were worried about being tracked, Facebook is the last place on earth where you should conduct business.

    • tts

      Yuuuuuuup. I don’t even have facebook because of this. Never went on myspace either back when it was popular.

      Its kind’ve strange anyone would even want to ever use them for sales of anything even if you HAVE to have them (you don’t) to keep in touch with your family.

  • ๐Ÿ”จ ๐Ÿต

    That’s fine and dandy, however, violent extremist groups (like ISIS) are still free to communicate and recruit members using these websites? Seems like shallow attempt at seeming PC…

    • smartacus

      i agree,
      and i got flamed by everyone (down below) for daring to suggest people stop using facebook

    • MrEllis

      You do realize if they are that dumb the NSA pretty much has phone call access to it. And we’ve used social media to target leadership. It’s done more good than harm. The neo-nazis we have in America do fine without it.

      • Herman Johnson

        And those “neo-nazis” are……?

        • MrEllis

          Literally every single neo-nazi website that isn’t Facebook. They have been networking for over a decade without it. Seriously, I don’t think you even understood what I was saying, you just repeat bits hoping to sound smarmy.

          • Herman Johnson

            Still wetting your bed, eh, “MrEllis”?

            “Literally every single neo-nazi website that isn’t Facebook”???

            And YOU accuse others of name-calling?

            I know, I know – it’s tough to be a Bernie Sanders blog troll, and we feel for ya.

            Otherwise – why are you here, son?

  • Vizzini

    Eff Facebook. Never had an account. Never will.

    • smartacus

      same here. and boy did my comments (below) get roasted for it

      • Vizzini

        I saw that. Couldn’t figure out what they were so agitated about. You advocated:

        1. Shame Facebook users
        2. Forbid your family from using it.

        I don’t let any of my minor children use it, and talked my adult daughter out of her account a while back. I don’t know why anyone would have a problem with that.

        Any conservative, second amendment supporter who uses Facebook is literally providing aid and comfort to the enemy.

        • smartacus

          i hear you. i wouldn’t let my daughter use it.
          i guess i deserve to get flamed (even by the operator-moderators)
          ๐Ÿ™‚

        • MrEllis

          What enemy? You’re sounding a bit crazy. Relax a little there, man.

          • Herman Johnson

            Snicker….

            And this nonsense coming from someone who has stated here that “I’m more apt to attend a Sanders rally”.

            YOU are the enemy, junior.

  • Michael_Walters

    Interesting note on the feeds. I find that about half of my “suggested” pages are anti, the other are still pro. Maybe the algorithms haven’t caught up with me yet. I do believe that you are correct though. There is definitely a bias inherent in their system.

    • Random Disabled Person

      Facebook has altered what was shown for studying the data in behaviors and opinions influenced in the past. Openly admitted manipulating people and seeing how they shifted their opinions, and even used it for selling their services.

      FB may want a risk of liability reduction but it would be really hard to hold them accountable. Not to mention facebook can lawyer up and push down pretty much anyone in legal costs just for spite. Let alone if they were defending themselves and then they have all that data on people and all sorts of end user terms you agree to to by using their services. So anyone going to court would probably be screwed.

      Popular Firearm(and other large companies/websites especially commercial companies) pages have been pressured to pay up if they wanted to be seen in feeds. After being encouraged to come interact with their customers on FB.

      It amazes me the number of gun shops that just have a facebook page and no website. I wonder when FB will come from them….

      Which even the lowly single user could pay to have to post pushed on to everyone’s feed. Which sucked for $7.00 (USA ) your post about a funeral or someone’s final time in the hospital would be seen by people and shown instantly and not days after it generated enough comments. Funeral, memorial service and/or death are not high enough for their algorithms to rank it for priority in news feeds.

      I can imagine someone needing help and having to decide if that $7 was worth the extra hope maybe someone might see & respond to their post….

      So we have Facebook not being a class act(or neutral) to begin with. Plus the owner is known for being a jerk about having things his way and beliefs.

      Maybe people will find and go back to rec.guns. The quality was better, the technical barrier kept quite a few of bottom feeders from being able to post things.

      At least there are enough local and national forums already in place, for the classifieds. Gun broker fees will keep some of the idiots from posting way overpriced crap with no more of the trading possibly stolen items for any firearms type ads. So that is an upside.

      Now some of the various forum members will gripe about all the 2016’ers who joined after FB killed their gun group. In a way their very own “Endless September”(bonus points if you understand and felt the pain from the USENET/Newsgroups term).

      • smartacus

        yep, FB is ALREADY coming for them
        yesterday; Santa Cruz Armory and Kentucky Gun Company had their pages taken down.
        i read a TTAG reader got Kygunco’s page back up

        • Random Disabled Person

          …And then the came for the gun stores but nobody was left…….
          Wait all those gun owners will gripe but are using facebook as usual. The suffrage of even doing a temporary delete your profile for a week or two, in protest is too much of burden to bear for the cause.

          I wonder when an icon of a gun, weapon like, war related ( FB will nuke military based “accidentally” then back peddle for the publicity/to show they are listening to users…. ), etc. will get you in trouble or the account shut down. That will probably happen next/soon.

          I hope the stores at least had their customer information backed up, so they can reach out & recover faster. Sadly most will not learn why you have your own website, why you update and have your own mailing list. Most will bemoan that the other options out force them have to support(pay something to help keep it online) to be allowed to sell on.

  • me ohmy

    time to start hitting them where it hurts..BOYCOTT ALL THE ADVERTISERS ON FACEBOOK….and tell them until they stop persecuting gun owners and their companies involved we won’t buy their products, or use their services.. and tell them why you won’t.
    We also need lawyers who wants to make big names for themselves for facebook denying people their right to assemble with those whom they wish, all while enabling the bad guys from ISIS and etc

    • smartacus

      I agree with you 100% ๐Ÿ™‚
      (hope they don’t flame me for it like they did just before)

    • MarkVShaney

      Adblocker. What advertisers?

    • MrEllis

      I’m pretty sure this isn’t persecution. The rest of that is just bizarre. Double up on the yellow pills, man.

      • me ohmy

        do the world a favor… kill yourself

      • me ohmy

        and I’m pretty sure you’re seeking to be a troublemaker… just don’t reply to me anymore.

        • smartacus

          they are not stopping, they took down Kentucky Gun Co and Santa Cruz Armory FB pages yesterday. Kygunco is back up.

          • me ohmy

            Dude.. I know.. and assboy here thinks that I need to be medicated..because it’s all a grand conspiracy theory.
            they need to get sued into bankruptcy…then, they’ll see the error of their ways.

      • Herman Johnson

        Folks,

        Seems like we have a leftist bedwetter, “MrEllis”, amongst us. An obvious Obama blog troll, as you can tell from the following comment he made in another forum:

        “The NRA is entirely gun lobby. They are firmly entrenched in that. Your college blather is just that.

        Introducing a bill and introducing a viable bill are two totally different things.

        The government orders were not above the norm and contracted out prior to the shortage. It’s people who panic and get worked up into a hissy that hoard it. The only .22 I used to have in my home was like some of the fancier stuff and like ten boxes or half cartons of left over ammo.

        Seriously, you’re bringing nothing to the table at this point. It’s circular. I’m sure you have a Benghazi trial to re-watch or something better to do, I know I do. Later”.

        Speaks for itself.

        “MrEllis” will not be available for comment today – he’s attending a Hillary 2016 rally….

        • MrEllis

          I’m more apt to attend a Sanders rally.

          Name calling aside, you really haven’t done much to provide a logical argument against what I said. Your shrill flapping and mincing about just sort of proves my point. You Chicken Littles are what is worst about gun culture but once one of you frightens and rushes the gun store the stampede ensues.

          Did they close the comment section on TTAG, seems to be an influx… more likely it’s just whom this website caters too. Don’t worry, you won’t have to really justify your blathering, soon one of the editors will swoop in and save you.

          • Herman Johnson

            Awww.

            Still haven’t moved past your bedwetting phase, eh, “MrEllis”?

            Keep trying, and there IS a big, beautiful world outside your mommy’s basement.

            Feel the Bernout…..

  • codfilet

    I’ve never thought it was wise to even mention owning guns on FB. For me, FB is merely for sending photos of my cats to my sister

    • MrEllis

      And memes. Don’t forget memes.

      • iksnilol

        The dankest memes.

        AAAAAAAAAY LMAAAAAAOOOOOOOO

  • lurpy

    Facebook is a private company. They aren’t required to allow gun sales on their website any more than gun shows are required to allow white supremacist literature. If you don’t like it, that’s fine. If you want to stop using Facebook in protest, that’s fine too. But pretending it’s part of some conspiracy is basically just absurd.

    • Rock or Something

      Saying that Facebook is suddenly doing this because of their anti-2a attitude is not a conspiracy, it’s an observation.

      • Hensley Beuron Garlington

        Spot on. They didn’t get this serious until after Hussein’s latest executive orders on gun issues.

      • lurpy

        I suspect it’s more an anti-getting sued attitude than an anti-Second Amendment attitude. Someone buys a gun via Facebook, uses it to shoot up a school, guess who gets sued? And even if by some miracle they didn’t get sued, the negative publicity cost would be astronomical. Politics aside, while I don’t love it, it’s a sound business decision, and blaming it on Obama is ridiculous.

        • Herman Johnson

          “…it’s a sound business decision, and blaming it on Obama is ridiculous”.

          REALLY, lurpy?

          Obama and Zuckerberg are best buds, Zuckerberg is a hard Left Wingnut, and one of Obama’s biggest goals begore he goes back to being a community organizer is to damage or at least diminish our Second Amendment rights by whatever means necessary.

          “….blaming it on Obama is ridiculous”?????

          I don’t know what you pour on your Wheaties in the AM, but I’d try milk for a change.

      • smartacus

        they just took down Santa Cruz Armory and Kentucky Gun Co FB pages!
        Kygunco is back up now.

  • MrEllis

    Wanna bet this has more to do with mitigation of risk than some imagined war on firearms? I raise you some objectivity and logic. Or I suppose you could fortify your mom’s basement for when The Day comes…

  • The Stig

    I stopped using and deleted my Facebook two years ago, and I’m so glad I did.

    • smartacus

      i agree. You are a good man who did the right thing.

  • Tim Pearce

    And they’re also using this policy on licensed dealers, it seems.

  • MySpin1776

    Facebook can choose to ban firearm advertisements. And, I can choose to delete my Facebook account. The same goes for Whole Foods, Buffalo Wild Wings, Chipotle, Starbucks, etc…we can choose not to support those businesses.

    • smartacus

      i’m with you in choosing not to support their businesses either. it’s the right thing to do.

    • Rock or Something

      Just a personal observation, from all of the Whole Foods I’ve been to, none of them so far had a sign barring firearms. Granted, I live in AZ, but even in AZ Chipotle, Sprouts and BWW will post signs up. A PA Whole Foods I walked into when I went back east to visit didn’t have a sign either

  • Mickey R

    To me, one of the most disturbing aspects of this is how willing so many FB users are to report “violators” to the powers-that-be. It’s like people are being conditioned to rat out undesirable elements, even if no crime is being committed.

    At any rate, screw Facebook. I deleted my account earlier this week and am done with their anti-gun jihad. It’s their site, and they’re free to impose whatever rules they want… just like I’m free to discontinue using it.

    • smartacus

      i agree with you, but be careful here.
      There are some activist facebook defenders commenting here.

      • Herman Johnson

        Who’s afraid of a bunch of leftist bedwetters?

        • smartacus

          a bunch of facebook defenders came here and flagged down my comments here below…meanwhile, the abusive language replies against me are all still up for everyone to see. Check it out.

          • Herman Johnson

            Smart, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander…

            Flag ’em back.

  • durabo

    I cancelled out off Facebook about two months ago, as I felt that 1) It wants to deny us our constitutional rights under the Second Amendment; 2) It is firmly on the side of the America-hating IslamoMarxist dictator in the White House; and 3) It is highly intrusive.

  • Mark Are Reynolds โ“‹

    So everyone that sells guns and has gun groups should go here and get their pages up and going… Gun District – Group Profile – Arkansas Glocks For Sale This is our effort. BYE FAKEBOOK! The site is called GUN DISTRICT it is gundistrict (dot) com

  • whamprod

    At first I thought this was just hype, because my go-to FB gun group – “DFW Guntraders” – was still up for 2 or 3 days after the announcement, and then poof! They vanished from the facebookian landscape.

    I had been looking for a reason to stop using Facebook, and I think this may be it.

  • fcarlmayo

    My on;ly comment is the communistic/socialist bent of FB was bound to get around to this. Seing the amount of pure bullshit posted there, WTF would anyone want a group on it. I say that we ‘firearms’ people need to start our own website where we can go and not be bothered by the posts of the rose colored glasses crowd. What say you firearms manufacturers, up to setting up a few sites to expand the trade and give those interested a ‘safe place’ to go and talk, trade, buy and sell?

  • William Elliott

    A lot of the gun forums I was/am on have been migrating from Facebook to Mewe since MeWe seems to not give a damn.
    BTW, it has been shown that FB does discriminate, as pro-palistinian pages that call for destruction in Israel take an act of congress to take down, but pro israeli pages that do the same are gone within days. [it was done as an experiment, same post, switched position, one pro Israeli/anti Palistinian FB page, one Pro-palistinian/anti Israeli page, both run by the same people]

    I wonder how long before they decide to start banning pages like TFB because they “promote” firearms…

  • Herman Johnson

    Folks,

    This is a very simple issue to resolve:

    Get the hell off of Facebook. Even the Millennials are leaving it in droves. Want to sell a firearm? There are many other legal and more effective online forums to do so.

    Just remember who the billionaire is that runs Facebook. Zuckerberg is one of Obama’s best buddies, and is a hard left gun-hater. Need I say more?

    Facebook has made Zuckerberg rich by selling your information, and, like Google, also readily and happily shares your private information with the Feds.

    So, why are you still there?

    • iksnilol

      Because it is useful. Easy to track down people, friends and foes alike.

      Easy to share/transfer photos and files without going through mail (which has a size limit for files).

      Allows me to stay in touch for free with people far away.

      Makes my day easier, doesn’t cost anything since I take precautions.

  • Richard

    Facebutt’s founder bends at the waist of dead leader, so he also hates guns like a good robot!

    • Richard

      Oops that is DEAR leader not dead leader.

  • Lawrence Oliver

    I posed this question last week in a private message on the NRA’s fb page. “Does the NRA have any plans to organize a boycott of facebook for a day to a week in protest of fb’s decision to ban private gun sales? Over 4.5 mill people like this page and if the NRA coordinated with other large groups that they have contact with in the firearms industry with a large following on fb like Magpul, S&W, AR-15 groups etc… etc… it would send a message to fb. Will it change their mind, probably not but at least the firearms community won’t just be rolling over and taking it without saying a word.” If I get a response I’ll post it. Yes I’m well aware that facebook has the right to do as it pleases with their own site (and I wouldn’t have it any other way) but like any other product or service we as consumers and users can voice our opinions about those decisions in hopes of changing fb’s mind. It would help if other folks also requested action from the NRA via their fb page or email. After all the NRA did just raise our dues and it would be nice to see some action or support from them on this issue. Whether or not I renew this year depends on their actions or inaction on this issue. I don’t expect the NRA to change fb’s mind but sometimes a losing battle is still worth fighting.

    • Richard

      I support the NRA more than I support facebutt, so facebutt goes and I WILL renew with the NRA, facebutt goes the way of ebay.

      • Lawrence Oliver

        I’ve been a member for many years and I can’t even get them to respond to a private message I posted over a week ago on fb. Believe me I would hate to let my membership lapse but if they can’t even be bothered to answer a question… come on. I don’t even mind the rate hike in dues, I was even considering becoming a life member this year. All I ask is that they ask their willing members to participate in a boycott and coordinate that boycott request with other large firearm friendly fb groups. Or at least tell me no and why not.

        • Richard

          Yeah I have been a Life member since 1969, in fact I am an Endowment Lifr member now. I do agree they should organize a movement against facebutt, and make a public comment, but I really don’t need them to lead me. In short you are right and they should have answered you, but facebutt is out of here.

  • Rodney Steward

    And the country continues to kiss the worst Presidents in America’s history’s butt! TICK, TICK, TICK,…………………..

  • Old Vet

    Chickensh*t’s, all of them…..This is becoming a nation of pansy’s. GOD, I am glad I am older now and won’t have to see my country die, hopefully before I take a dirt nap.

  • Jerry_In_Detroit

    That’s all right. We really don’t need Facebook. If the NRA had their own social website, I’d use it. Gun District is a little rough but not a bad Facebook/Instagram substitute. C’ya Facebook.

  • R Dennis Roberts

    Can FB provide evidence where a firearm transaction on FB resulted in illegal use and injury. Is it a liability issue or are they anti 2nd amendment?

  • Tool19672 .

    Facebook has always been for the Deep Pockets & Their Agenda . Don’t let the fake smiles & friendly words deceive you. Wake Up Sheeple !

  • Bill

    Oh. My. GOD. Scroll down and see just how fast Lord Mark has managed to get us all fighting amongst ourselves with a textbook example of passive-aggressive behavior. He knows exactly which buttons to press, and some of us just can’t seem to switch them off. We need to leave “I know you are but what am I” back in the second grade where it belongs and put our energies into addressing the actual issue. Gun ownership is a right, social media is an irrelevant distraction, and there is a difference between the two. I don’t know about you, but I don’t give a rancid BM about Facebook or anything it might decide. I am, however, very concerned about the skill and ease with which that arrogant entity has managed to stir our already endangered pot without fear of repercussions. We have met the enemy. Is he Zuckerberg or is he us?

  • Donald Darr

    I feel the FACEBOOK cronies should shut down all private selling sights. New or used knifes can hurt people just as easy as a used vehicle. Once again, it’s some company playing “Big Brother” because they feel we can handle it ourselves.

  • me ohmy

    time to sue facebook, and also to make sure their advertisers know.. as long as the “policy” is in place will will not use their goods and services.. 15 breastfeeding moms took down a huge monopoly… what will 60 million pissed off gun owners do.

    • smartacus

      i agree with that

    • iksnilol

      “what will 60 million pissed off gun owners do?”

      Probably argue Glocks vs 1911s, whilst the SIG and CZ guys sit in the background and giggle.

      • me ohmy

        why don’t we just stop making comments to me..Hmm?
        you got a whole entire internet to jerk it to… but you keep running up to me, pants down, willy flopping all over, holding the roll of toilet tissue and hand lotion. like you expect me to join in with you in the special relationship, you ascribed to us, thus far.
        why don’t you go back into mommies basement with the Victoria’s secret catalog, just pretend I don’t exist.. and go play with yourself.
        there ya go.. that’s a nice little pile of dog excrement, go stink up somebody else’s comments. this isn’t the first time I told you to bugger off… you must have some secret fantasy about us holding a circle jerk.

        • iksnilol

          Awww, you’re getting mad at me.

          I don’t know if troll or you’re really that self-absorbed.

          Me? I’ve got a bucket of popcorn and I am enjoying this ๐Ÿ˜›

          • me ohmy

            keep it up.. flagged you again, for harassment

          • iksnilol

            You can flag people for that?

            Thanks for the idea, old chap ๐Ÿ˜›

      • I had to delete one comment you made for the language used. You need to back down on the confrontational comments.

        • me ohmy

          tell others to stop badgering and harassing people.

        • me ohmy

          and *YOU* need to let others know that harassing and trolling isn’t exactly not “confrontational” either.
          because if you looked up iksnilol, before he made his profile private he messed with EVERYONE.

      • Hey what am I going to do because I’m a Glock, 1911 and SIG guy. Kinda like CZ75Bs also:-)

        • iksnilol

          Eh, I guess you’d join the “giggle in the background whilst eating popcorn” club.

          ๐Ÿ˜›

  • Frank K

    Any one who subscribes to Facebook is beckoning for intrusive scrutiny into their private lives. If you must join Facebook do as I do, join under a fictitious name etc. Don’t be so anxious to tell the world, who you are, your educational background, birthday, where you work, photo’s of your family and friends. One day it may come back and bite you in the butt.

    • me ohmy

      also change your birthday slightly so it looks like a typo to those who know you…but spoofs their robots

  • Bob Waters

    as long as the people of the US elect liberals and party line Democrats who have made it a mission to take all firearms out of the hands of the public you might as well get used to it—–a much better solution, try to get the Dems. and the liberal media and groups back to believing and honoring the Constitution.

  • John Henry Bicycle Lucas

    It is their website, so I guess the FB people are entitled to do what they want to do, make up all the rules. I rarely found many good deals on their website, but occasionally someone would have a deal to go for.

    Problem is, people vote with their dollar and support for gun sales grows as people are buying firearms in record numbers. The nation is dividing itself along the lines of gun rights supporters and detractors. Commonly, lines of thoughts and beliefs follow in both groups.

    If someone can be so stupid as to think only government officials should have the guns, they should get what they deserve. Democide and genocide always follows into an unarmed populace. Look it up, history confirms it.

    I do not want to see people disarmed simply because a right to defend yourself is also an important issue. Many times every day someone uses some type of firearm to ward off an aggressor that would otherwise do harm to a would be victim. Often without bloodshed. Thugs prefer unarmed victims. Thugs scatter when confronted with force.

    Also, as a sport firearms provide an outlet for many talented people. I’ve seen amazing shots and shooters. It is a means of recreation that is beneficial to our nation as many military people were raised in homes that taught marksmanship to the young. As I was.

    I would hate to kill a man I didn’t know or have anything at all against simply over the politics of another. If you stop and think about it, the only thing that truly drives a military person is the one fact that either I destroy them or they destroy me.

    The future of our country does not look so good to me. If people that want to kill us simply because we worship a different way are allowed to gain foothold in our nation we will be forced someday to fight them in the streets. If this day does come, most that want to take our guns away will want to hide behind us if society falls apart.

    This is my belief and I encourage anyone to add or detract on what I write.

  • maodeedee

    I’d rather deal with people face to face or correspond via email. I have plenty of friends in real life and I don’t need them to tell me that they “like” me. If they didn’t like me they wouldn’t be my friends. I’m also very particular about who my friends are.

    I’m from an older generation and I’m here to tell you people two very important things. One, that there is life beyond Facebook, and two, that life is short and you only have so much time. And Facebook eats up a lot of that precious time.

    And if the bastards are anti-gun, all the more reason to have nothing to do with them.

  • Mike Lashewitz

    Anti Constitutional. This is an infringement. “Shall Not Be Infringed” what is so hard to understand about that?

  • Fern Galooth

    Facebook is nothing but a massive very liberal misuse of mostly young teenager’s time. The sooner it is gone, the better the world will be. As far as the number of users that Facebook has, I alone have 10 Facebook accounts. Good riddance to a big government anti-gun website whose popularity is a total mystery.

    • Herman Johnson

      “Good riddance to a big government anti-gun website whose popularity is a total mystery”.

      Millennials have asked the same question about FB’s popularity, and they are leaving in droves for other social media forums.

      Surprisingly, it is the older users that tend to cling tenaciously to FB like little school children more than much younger users. I suspect that this is one of the subtle reasons why Millennials are moving on to other forums.

      Whatever. For my current needs, TFB works for me.

  • Bill

    Oh. My. GOD. Scroll down and see just how fast Lord Mark has managed to get us fighting amongst ourselves with a textbook example of passive-aggressive behavior. He knows exactly which buttons to press, and some of us just can’t seem to switch them off. We need to leave “I know you are but what am I” back in the second grade where it belongs and put our energies into addressing the actual issue. Gun ownership is a right, social media is a distraction, and there is a difference between the two. I don’t know about you, but I don’t give a rancid BM about FB or anything it might decide. I am, however, very concerned about the skill and ease with which a certain arrogant entity has managed to stir our already endangered pot without fear of repercussions. We have met the enemy. Is he some digital sheepherder or is he us?

  • Bill

    O.M.G. Scroll down and see just how fast Lord Mark has managed to get us fighting amongst ourselves with a textbook example of passive-aggressive behavior. He knows exactly which buttons to press, and some of us just can’t seem to switch them off. We need to leave “I know you are but what am I” back in the second grade where it belongs and put our energies into addressing the actual issue. Gun ownership is a right, social media is a distraction, and there is a difference between the two. I don’t know about you, but I don’t give a rancid BM about FB or anything it might decide. I am, however, very concerned about the skill and ease with which a certain arrogant entity has managed to stir our already endangered pot without fear of repercussions. We have met the enemy. Is he some digital sheepherder or is he us?

    • Herman Johnson

      Mark Z. is doing exactly what Obama has asked him to do. No surprise here.

      There are numerous communication and discussion forums beyond FB. Leave it on the side of the road with the rest of the roadkill.

  • Ken

    Bad form Facebook. But, FB is a private company, and they can do whatever they want with their platform. They (unfortunately in this case) have rights too.

  • Mike Vee

    What the liberal idiots don’t realize is that when the Second Amendment is no more, the First Amendment will also fall. Wonder how they will feel when they can’t print what they want or say what they want? I think when that happens they will know they were wrong, but it will be too late.

  • MichaelZWilliamson

    I think Firearmblog needs to just eliminate comments. Wading through the conspiritards is becoming impossible.

  • Bob Waters

    just tell suck a bug to take a flying leap and lets find another venue that does not descriminate against our rights and sports.

  • Dan Clay

    I did not know that FB will “take down groups…that advertise a product or service.” There are a ton of businesses with a FB page.

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    • Patrick R.

      Are they really closed?

      • Phil White

        They should be unless the link is not working

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