[SHOT 2016] New Calibers at KRISS USA, US production for Sphinx

The genesis of the Vector

The genesis of the Vector

The news from KRISS USA this year at SHOT was five new calibers for the KRISS Vector Gen II: .40 S&W, .357 SIG, 9×21 (for European countries that do not allow use of “military” calibers) 22lr, and my personal favorite, 10mm.  I am glad to see more 10mm and .357 SIG carbines coming out, and I’m very curious to see what velocities I can get going with something like a Vector.  Hopefully, they can end up handling +P+ loads.  I have been following the development of the Vector for a long time, since the days of the TDI Super-V, so it is nice to see some new happenings in that department.  (Coincidentally, the 1st super-v, serial #TDI-000-01 was on display)  I also availed myself of the opportunity to shoot a full-auto Gen II Vector in 9mm for the first time, and it was very easy to control, though the cyclic rate was very high at 1050rpm.

News from Sphinx was US production has commenced!  That should mean more pistols being readily available to go out to consumers stateside.  I had my first opportunity to fire a few of the pistols at the show, and I really enjoyed them.  The compact model in particular was very nice to shoot, and extremely accurate.

Sphinx!

Sphinx!

Also new from KRISS will be their “Defiant” line of 22lr AR15 rifles.  The model they had on hand at media day will probably be named the DMK22.  More to come on these rifles soon.

The early version of the DMK22 they had on hand

The early version of the DMK22 they had on hand

Sadly, no KARD….



Rusty S.

Having always had a passion for firearms, Rusty S. has had experience in gunsmithing, firearms retail, hunting, competitive shooting, range construction, as an IDPA certified range safety officer and a certified instructor. He has received military, law enforcement, and private training in the use of firearms. He is fortunate enough to have access to class 3 weaponry as well.


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  • UVB76

    Did you say 10mm :-)? Any info on the barrel thread pitch for the 9mm (and the rest)? Did they keep 16×1 LH or will they maybe go with .578×28 or 1/2×28?

    • Rusty S.

      I can certainly ask, good questions!

      • TJbrena

        Has any new pocket sand debuted at SHOT?

        • Rusty S.

          Sh-shaaa!!!! Pocketsand! Gribble industries, a division of Dale’s Dead-Bug, has been working on a newer, more lethal version mixed with diatomaceous earth…and if you must know, you derailed my work for a full 15 minutes. That cracked me up!

      • UVB76

        Did they get back to you on the thread pitch? It isn’t listed on their manuals or website. thx

        • Rusty S.

          No, not yet. We will probably do a more in depth article when such details are released.

  • LV-426

    OH KARD where are you???

    • aguywhoknows

      KARD won´t come, project was canceled. Also, SPHINX SYSTEMS is in liquidation, everything is KRISS now.

      • Giolli Joker

        That’s sad.

        • aguywhoknows

          Sad but true. They tried to keep the Sphinx factory in Switzerland, but werent able to.
          Now all the production is in the US, but they got a good team down in Virginia Beach.
          The 9×19 Vectors are beasts, 2.5″ group in full auto with a 33rd Glock Mag at 25y.

  • BattleshipGrey

    I just checked the wikipedia articles on 9x19mm vs 9x21mm. The numbers look pretty much the same so there’s no less “lethality” to non-military calibers. Are such laws against using military calibers so that the public won’t have the same guns, or that they won’t be able to feed government guns or is it just to be difficult? I’m guessing it’s the latter.

    • Edeco

      I’m wondering too now. My vague understanding (I forget where I got this, could be wrong or just be specific to one/some of the many countries with that rule) is it’s to keep private supplies from being compatible, like to stop outlaws or a revolt from feeding off government supplies.

      • BattleshipGrey

        Actually that’s probably it. Some of the countries that have this rule are 2nd and 3rd world countries, and I can certainly see soldiers or LE selling off supplies to feed their families. So on paper it seems to make sense, but Mexico is one of the countries with this type of law, but it still doesn’t keep soldiers from selling arms and ammo to cartels.

        • FarmerB

          No, it’s first world countries, actually. There are a few reasons I’ve seen. One is just the whole “it’s not military” line (e.g. Many countries do not allow “military styled” firearms) but hunting style stuff is ok. So a Mini-30 is ok, but any AK look-alike is forbidden – even though they may have the same (limited) magazine capacity. In these countries, they allow no concept of armed self defense. The second is that they believe people will buy firearms in military calibres and go hunting with military ammunition – which they believe is cruel. The third is reaction to a terrorist past. Much like the EU is trying to ban sporting firearms since the terrorists use (full auto and completely illegal) black market AK’s. Makes little sense in most cases, it’s politics.

    • Giolli Joker

      9×21 IMI, or Italian 9mm, was born for the Italian market as 9 Luger (here called more frequently 9 Parabellum or 9 Para) is forbidden to civilian as considered a military round. Difference between the two is simply the length of the casing, OAL and loads are exactly the same. Conversion of 9×19 guns happens by just reaming the chamber 2mm deeper.
      Every single gun in 9 Luger that gets in Italy gets this conversion.

      • Camilo Emiliano Rosas Echeverr

        The Italian law actually makes no sense at all, since you cannot own handguns chambered in 9×19 (they have to be reamed to 9×21), but you can own 9×19 ammo, since 9×19 carbines are legal to own.

        • Giolli Joker

          “The Italian law actually makes no sense at all”
          No doubt about that.
          9×19 carbines, unless recently made available, aren’t legal to own and 9mm carbines in Italy are in 9×21 as well.
          The only 9×19 guns allowed in Italy are a few revolver models and the only ammunition that can be legally bought for them has lead only bullets (I suppose to diversify from military/LE FMJ bullets).

          • Camilo Emiliano Rosas Echeverr

            I am fairly sure about that: I did some research about it about six months ago. It might be a very recent development, though, after some decree of the Monti governement, and the abolition of the National Catalogue.

    • Blake

      Main impetus for EU “non-military-caliber” laws:

      After WWII, there were a gazillion military weapons stashed all over the place: arms caches, resistance fighters’ stashes, weapons taken from dead soldiers by civilains, or just Grandpa’s service weapon put away in the attic. Almost none of them were registered to their “owners”, and many of them were full-auto.

      In many EU countries, the weapons AND the ammo were made illegal.

  • G0rdon_Fr33man

    US production of Sig P210, and now Sphinx? Good, then Europe can have the real deal for ourselves. Muhahaha.

  • NoNamesOnTheNet

    The 10mm is a garunteed sell for me.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Claimed on the Internet, yes, it’ll be very popular on the Internet.

      Actually purchased in stores… Rare.

      Used even on the range… Almost never.

      • Ceiling Cat

        Buttblasted .40 piss and weak fan detected.

      • NoNamesOnTheNet

        I’ve had my G43 for exactly 1 month less than my G20.

        I have 4,000 rounds through my G20. I have barely 200 rounds through my G43.

        I’very been hunting a modestly priced MP5/10 clone for months for a trunk gun and have always liked the idea of the SuperV

        So now I can have a 10mm trunk gun, in a SuperV format, that uses my G20 magazines?

        But you’re right. I’mean probably going to skip it.

    • Edeco

      The semi auto Kriss does make more sense in 10mm… put that expensive and, if I’m to be honest, bulky recoil management to better use than 9mm.

  • Anonymoose

    I’d like to see a Kriss in .460 Rowland or .45 Win Mag. That would be bordering on “thumper” capability in a PCC/SMG.

    • BattleshipGrey

      Do you have anything in .460 rowland yet because I laugh every time you suggest it now :). I almost suggested it for you earlier but all I could think of was .416 Rigby and that didn’t sound right.

      • Nicks87

        .416 Rigby in a Kriss Vector? Now that’s a PDW!!!

  • JumpIf NotZero

    Too little too late. Where were they in 2010 when there went so many MP5 options, and MPX, and CZ, and AR lowers designed for glock mags, and Tavor 9mm, and etc etc etc.

    • Dracon1201

      Yeah, but not even the MPX has caliber changes yet. Kiss has far more options. They’ll sell just fine.

  • Alex D.

    Finally. 10mm is the perfect caliber for the Vector.