Delta, United, & American Ban Shipping African Animal Hunting Trophies

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In a rather swift reaction to “Cecil the Lions” unfortunate (and illegal) demise, Delta, United, & American Airlines have all banned the cargo shipment of hunting trophies on their aircraft. The ban is largely symbolic as most big-game hunters are wealthy and either ship on their own aircraft, ships, or through cargo services.

Delta’s Statement:

Effective immediately, Delta will officially ban shipment of all lion, leopard, elephant, rhinoceros and buffalo trophies worldwide as freight. Prior to this ban, Delta’s strict acceptance policy called for absolute compliance with all government regulations regarding protected species. Delta will also review acceptance policies of other hunting trophies with appropriate government agencies and other organizations supporting legal shipments.

While the statement specifically calls out certain large game, it does not address the legal hunting of smaller trophies such as Antelope, Gazelle, etc. United and American have not specifically updated their policies at this time on listed game, just issuing short statements and tweets on the topic.



Nathan S.

One of TFB’s resident Jarheads, Nathan now works within the firearms industry. A consecutive Marine rifle and pistol expert, he enjoys local 3-gun, NFA, gunsmithing, MSR’s, & high-speed gear. Nathan has traveled to over 30 countries working with US DoD & foreign MoDs.

Nathan can be reached at Nathan.S@TheFirearmBlog.com

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • MR

    Sign of the knee-jerk times we live in. Some celebrity lets an unkind word slip, in an unguarded moment, they’re portrayed as a pariah. A sporting goods store responds to market forces, and raises prices on ammo, their customer base gets in a huff and vows to “never shop there again”. For a couple weeks.

    Relax, take a breath.

  • Bill_J

    Its not like a hunter shoots a Kudu and takes the hide home with him. They are usually sent to South Africa for processing and in a lot of cases mounting, then shipped via FedEx to the hunter 4-6 months after the hunt.

    DHL, FedEx and UPS all use airlines to ship their packages.
    So this will have some impact on the hunting industry.

    • Though more than likely the airlines aren’t told what they are transporting unless it requires special handling.

      Also sea freight is common if it is mounted.

      • Bill

        I’m pretty sure the airlines know whats in the boxes, or drugs would be a lot cheaper. Cargo manifests and Customs are picky about stuff like that, and the USFWS has inspectors at ports and international airports

  • This is so stupid. An illegal immigrant used a rifle stolen from a federal agent to shoot dead an innocent woman and nobody does a thing. A man shoots a lion and the nation flips out.
    Yes, I realize this was illegal, but big game hunting supports local economies in Africa, and much of that money goes to help CONSERVE these animals.

    • nova3930

      The nitwit brigade is against it because its hunting period. These are the same morons that cry when you kill the cougar trying to eat your children.

      • Don Ward

        And poaching animals is OK how?

        • nova3930

          The nitwit brigade was outraged before it was apparent that the hunt was illegal. Secondarily, you might want to wait till the trial is over and see whos convicted before calling someone a poacher. Thirdly even if someone is a poacher thqts not a crime that rises to requiring destruction of a persons existence and threatwning their life, which the nitwit brigade has taken it upon themselves to do.

          And finally cecil the lion was 13 years old. Wild male lions rarely live beyond 14, so no matter how you cut it the animal wasnt long for the world anyway. Overall the local population of lions is stronger and has greater genetic diversity with a waning male removed.

          • Don Ward

            So poaching an animal is totally OK because there are dumb hippies in the world? I’m coming at this as a sportsman and a hunter.

            Whether the animal is old or not is irrelevant. By that logic. I should be able to traipse onto Yellowstone and shoot a bison or an elk just because it’s “old”.

          • MANG

            Right, so you are actually proving Don’s point by doing apologetics for the poacher, although I haven’t really seen much else of that in this thread. I don’t think anyone has a firm claim on not being the nitwit brigade.

          • Justin Officer

            Talk about missing the point… Again, So you’re saying poaching animals is OK?

          • Tom

            I don’t think he is saying its okay, but the response should be proportional to the action. Airlines banning shipments of trophies which have otherwise been obtained legally will not stop poaching (or farmers shooting animals which threaten their livestock or crops) so its a silly act designed to convey favor with the moral outrage brigade.

            I do think it was wrong to shoot the lion, regardless of his age. But I agree with Nova that we should wait until the investigations are over and not jump to conclusions or take actions which will do nothing to stop poaching. As I see it its clear that a lot of the objection in this case is to hunting full stop not the specific case.

        • Nobody said it was Don and obviously poaching isn’t ok.

        • superflex

          Hunting and poaching are two different things, nitwit.

      • Anthony “stalker6recon”

        Not true. I don’t hunt, but I have no problem with eating venison, or the culling of species that are abundant to a point they are dying of starvation, and destroying cars and killing people, because they are in search of grazing. I have no trouble with taking a mountain lion, once it had attacked a human, of any age.

        This killing is senseless, ego driven, narcissistic idiotic douchebag. Probably the first time he fired a gun. Or maybe he has such low self-esteem, the only way he can feel like a man, is killing animals that are nearly wiped out in the wild. He is just as bad as the elephant/rino horn poachers. And anyone that can pull the trigger on such magnificent animals, has serious issues. It would be one thing, if they were running all over the streets, eating kids and crapping on our cars. But this is not the case, and there is no justification for killing such an animal. Obviously the man eaters need to be put down, but otherwise, leave them alone.

        And don’t bother with the “they don’t care about the ambassador” or the officers being hunted on our streets today, that is simply not the case. You can be for hunting, and angry about the needless deaths of good men and women, to gross misconduct by our government, and still find this doctor a disgusting douchebag. I am one of those people. Love my guns, love my steaks, love my officers at the border, or working unguarded in Libya, and find those deaths more disturbing.

        There are lots of lines people shouldn’t cross, and this is one of those lines. Senseless, egotistical clown, with inferiority complex, trying to compensate for too much estrogen maybe. Doesn’t really matter the reason, he is still scum.

        • Blaser270

          You have really shown your ignorance when it comes to the lion. He was NOT shot with a rifle! So put that in your pipe and puff on it. You might want to check into it and find out what weapon was used to kill the lion. BTW most of the media was wrong as well. Your hatred of guns and hunting in general is coming through loud and clear.

      • Tom

        Personally I find trophy hunting to be pointless, that said my not liking something is not a reason why it should be banned. But it does seem that the people who get outraged about this can not see any distinction between hunting for food, culling an animal population or trophy hunting (of course often all three can be combined in one hunt). I am also a meat eater and make no apologies for that and fully accept that for me to eat meat ether myself or someone else has to kill an animal.

        What I find so infuriating about the outrage is that the people complaining are for the most part also meat eater its just they want super organic free range meat but not willing to ether pay for it or get it themselves. There is nothing more free range than a hunted deer or rabbit. But they of course want to buy all their food ready prepared in the super market so they can pretend it was not at one point a cute cuddly little animal. The hypocrisy of these people is matched only by their naive belief that the animal kingdom is like some Disney film.

        Again I can not say I agree with hunting a lion for a trophy but it remains to be seen if anything done was illegal (it is not illegal to hunt lions in Zimbabwe, it is not illegal to hunt with a bow in Zimbabwe, it is not illegal to hunt collared animals in Zimbabwe and it is not illegal to coax animals out of sanctuary’s in Zimbabwe) other than the farm not having a lion on its game quota – not something a hunter would be aware off. People need to back away from the Twitter slacktivism until an investigation is actually carried out. Airlines and other business should not be shamed into making rash decisions based on one case. And those opposed to hunting should take a long hard look at their own consumption and exploitation of animals before critising others.

      • DonDrapersAcidTrip

        Yeah people just crying nonstop about the cougars eating their children being killed… can any of you carry on an actual argument or do you all just jump right to pulling insane exaggerations out of your ass lmao

    • SP mclaughlin

      No one batted an eye when Chris Stevens was gunned down in Libya, but everyone loses their minds over a lion.

      • I simply do not understand.

        • Don Ward

          Were you not paying attention during your hunters education course?

        • Bill Wharton

          We can see THAT!

      • Para

        Uhhh, not to get political here, but I’m pretty sure there was and still is a rather large uproar over that.

        • Mystick

          You don’t have the President of the United States making comments that “justice” will be delivered on the supposed perpetrator.

        • SP mclaughlin

          Not in mainstream circles though. Of course, you can’t go picket an Al-Qaeda office though.

          • Blaser270

            Last time I looked it was on Pennsylvania Avenue.

      • Don Ward

        And because garbage happens elsewhere, that makes poaching animals totally OK?

        • ThomasD

          Nice strawman you’ve built there.

          • Don Ward

            No, you see. The way a strawman argument works is you bring up a totally unrelated topic to distract from the main argument before knocking it down. The question is whether you approve of poaching animals and whether the practice should be condemned.

          • Joey JoJo Jr.

            So, whether we condemn this incident out of hand becomes a litmus test on whether we support poaching? Sounds a lot like, “You’re either for us, or against us.”
            A US citizen allegedly poached an animal in a foreign country- one not known for stability, democracy, due process, or the rule of law. We are then supposed to take the whole incident at face value and direct our popular media cutlure’s “Two Minute Hate” at it?
            What happens when your life becomes the target of the Two Minute Hate Machine? Do you want rational thought and fact to rule the day, or do you want raw emotion and sensationalism to wreck your life, Mr. Strawman?

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            You’re going out of your way to bend over backwards to get all defensive about an illegal act because it involved guns but okay keep pretending you’re mister clear thinking rational and everyone else against you is come cartoon caricature who can’t see “the truth” lmao

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            Uh, maybe you missed the post he’s responding to?

        • Lonnie Don McGinty

          No DON it doesn’t make it ok. However, Lions die at the hands of hunters every year in Zim, Tanzania and SA. Our nation knows the name of a lion but cannot show you on a map where Libya is. What people are addressing is how lost our country has become when people care more about a lions life than human life. I’m a hunter, patriot, war vet and supporter of all freedoms but for the love of all things sacred we need to focus on more important issues.

      • Anthony “stalker6recon”

        You guys have it wrong, most everyone that has commented, probably is still angry about the deaths of everyone you mentioned, me included. I have written many times about Bengazi, the border slaughter of a good man, by guns allowed to walk, knowingly by the ATF. And the officers murdered in their car in NY, and any of the disturbing, disgusting violence that seems to be growing by the day. Apparently, it is open season on anyone in uniform, thanks to liberals who want anarchy. Those fools don’t have a clue what they are starting. If anarchy hits the streets, it will be conservatives that rule. We love our rights, and defend them with the only meaningful precious metal, jacketed hollow-points. When the liberal anarchist come looking for hugs, they will get slugs.

        That said, if you are not disgusted by this idiot doctor, obviously with confidence problems, you should be ashamed. There is no legitimate reason to ever hunt these animals, just ego and a sense of power. Narcissistic neanderthals.

        Having compassion for a defenseless magnificent animal like a lion, any lion, is a good thing. If we were being overrun with them, and they were eating our children and they made great steaks, then no problem. But these are already decimated in the wild, they have to lure them off of reservations. It’s pathetic.

        But who cares, we have lions at the zoo, and who travels to Africa anyway? By the way, those of you so worried about the “economy” in Africa, you really want to help? Stop donating anything to Africa. Sending clothing, food ect. really interrupts commerce. How can I open a clothing store, if everyone gets clothing free from the UN. How can I open a grocery, if food is handed out at donation centers? We have done way more harm, being nice, than we ever did when no one gave a deuce about Africa.

        • Bill Wharton

          “But who cares, we have lions at the zoo, and who travels to Africa anyway? ” …….. OBAMA AND HIS OLD LADY WENT TO AFRICA to reconnect with THE FAMILY!

          • Anthony “stalker6recon”

            Just a shame he didn’t stay. Bet he gave them all obamaphones, SSA ID cards with maximum benefits, and a cash version of Medicare /Medicaid and some sort of lifetime covert czar appointments.

            I would rather see every great cat species go extinct, if we could get the last 7 years and 11 trillion dollars back. I HAD A DREAM! OBAMA TOOK IT AWAY!

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Uh people are flipping out about that, dude.
      Check out the news.

      • nadnerbus

        Anecdotal, I understand, but on my Facebook feed, I saw exactly one link to the story of the woman murdered with the BLM agent’s gun in SF. That was from a friend that knew her personally. I saw zero people link to or comment on the topic otherwise. Multiple people linked to the Lion story, with much righteous outrage.

        I think social media is a better barometer of what the masses are in an uproar over than news media.

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          “I think social media is a better barometer of what the masses are in an uproar over than news media.”

          You are probably correct.
          If Iran nuked Tampa tomorrow more people would probably still care more about what the Kardashians are doing.

        • Bill

          Unfortunately, people are murdered on a regular basis; I don’t know why the fact that a firearm stolen from a LEO was used makes her murder more tragic than any other. A “popular” lion getting offed, particularly when there may be a sketchy backstory, is not something Americans are used to, hence = news.

          While lions aren’t my favorite apex predator, “The Lions of Tsavo” and the original Patterson book about the lions that made a diet of railroad workers in early Africa are great reads, both for hunters and hippies.

          • nadnerbus

            I am more concerned with the fact that he was something like a 3 time convicted felon, was in the country illegally, and was on loan from federal authorities so SF could prosecute him for a local offense, after which they wanted him back. SF declined to prosecute those charges, and then released him because they are a sanctuary city and don’t turn over illegals to ICE. The woman was murdered by someone that should never have been on the streets to begin with, because the local authorities completely failed at their basic jobs. And to top it off, the city is actively defending him because their sanctuary city cause is more dear to them than justice for a murdered woman.

          • Dan

            “I don’t why the fact that a firearm stolen from a LEO was used makes her murder than any other”

            Same reason that murders where a gun was used are so much more tragic than any other method. Logic? Ain’t nobody got time for that.

    • nadnerbus

      Why do you hate Simba? Lion lives matter!

    • Don Ward

      Poaching and shooting animals with radio collars is illegal and violates the rule of Fair Chase. Stop making excuses for an unethical hunter.

      • I am not, I am addressing the sissys who mindlessly oppose all hunting.

        • Don Ward

          No. The issue is whether sportsmen should condemn or defend a poacher just because he happens to be some dentist from the Midwest. That is the issue. The opinions of hippies and whether Planned Parenthood is bad or any other topic is completely irrelevant to whether you think it is OK to poach an animal. Seriously. Why are you defending this guy Alex?

          • I am not defending this guy at all, hence why I said “I know this was illegal..”
            Of course I renounce poaching, but I am not at all opposed to lawful big/dangerous game hunting. I DO condemn people who mindlessly oppose hunting, as many people have revealed themselves to do so recently.
            One of my lifelong goals is to go on a safari, and should the opportunity present itself to lawfully take part, I will do so on the next plane out.

          • Don Ward

            Really? I don’t see much denunciation going on. I see a lot of whining about stupid hippies and the fact that stupid hippies act like idiots (shocker) and I see a lot of deflection.
            The hunting community doesn’t need to defend this dentist if the facts are as they are presented (If. IF).

          • nadnerbus

            I think you are naive if you think that in the broader public mind this is simply about poaching. If it were, I don’t think there would be much debate. The Ricky Gervais Giraffe girl row I think proves my point. Social media was ready to lynch the woman and she broke no laws.

          • Don Ward

            I could give a rat’s behind about what stupid hippies think of the issue. I’m looking at it as a grown up who is a sportsman and a hunter and who cares about resource management. The guy (allegedly to be very fair) poached this animal. Are there bigger problems in the world? Yes. Are there smaller? Sure. But most of us are able to chew gum and walk at the same time and can disapprove of a great many things.
            Just because stupid hippies are crucifying this guy or because he’s a rich dentist from the Midwest doesn’t mean he needs to be supported. In fact, if I were a member of any safari organization, I’d be front and foremost denouncing this stunt and the fact that he was stupid enough to brag about it on social media.

          • nadnerbus

            Then you are missing what the entire thread is about. Nobody is advocating poaching, or even defending this particular guy’s actions. If he broke the law, then I doubt anybody here would shed a tear if he goes to jail.

            These airlines just announced they will not ship game trophies, legitimately obtained or not. This is in no small part because of the huge pressure from “stupid hippies,” i.e. popular opinion with most non hunters. The issue has been transformed from A-hole poacher into big game hunting should be delegitimized.

            Absolutely no disrespect. I’ve seen you post for a while and you are always polite and well thought out. I just think you are concerned with a different topic here.

          • Don Ward

            By defending the poacher, we are making ourselves less legitimate. And that is the issue I’ve been having with folks on “our side”. And of course the issue has gone straight to Sillytown when pro-life groups start dragging Planned Parenthood into the discussion as if that has anything to do with anything.

            As for the airlines, *shrug*, they’re private (I assume) businesses. As someone mentioned there are other ways people ship out there trophies.

          • nadnerbus

            Well, analogies are useful for illustrating how selective public outrage is. For instance, a woman was murdered by a multiple felon illegal alien, and it gathered little public outrage, never mind city officials raced to defend him in order to defend the Sanctuary City concept. Totally different issue of course, but I personally feel any sane person with their priorities in order would care about that more than a lion poached thousands of miles way.

          • MANG

            It’s funny, but you and Alex C are making essentially the same argument that Black Lives Matter activists make about this lion. Aside from any anti-immigrant bullshit you may feel, I agree with all of you that the loss of human life is always more important than the loss of animal life.

          • nadnerbus

            Anti-felon sentiment would be more accurate.

          • Nobody is defending the damn poacher! Get over yourself Don!

      • notabot

        bovine fecal matter my good sir

        real scientists wants them hunted just like any animal, because they want true realistic data. if one animal is spared the study is faulty

      • Fed24

        Don, in Zimbabwe shooting an animal with a Radio collar is not illegal. Shooting a Lion is not illegal as long as you have the correct permit. Cecil (named after Cecil J Rhodes – google the irony) was shot outside the reservation in an estate that hunting can legally be done, the illegal act was the lack of a correct permit on the part of the people who organised the hunt for the dentist. If they had the correct permit then Cecil could of been shot totally legally. It was not poaching it was a permit violation, the dentist had a permit for a Leopard when Cecil appeared he was advised to shoot him.

        Now I do have an issue with bow hunting large game as it doesn’t guarantee a clean kill but that is a separate issue.

        Another thing I actually listened to an interview by the man who collared Cecil, whilst he was not happy with the Lion being shot or even the hunting of Lions due to the effect on the pride he was not against big game hunting. He expressed concern about the damage the current media storm is causing, they need hunting for conservation. Also if you end the Western hunters coming over to hunt big game legally you will cause not only serious damage to the economy but also cost lots of not very wealthy Black people to lose their jobs. You could actually have an increase of the illegal poaching.

        • Don Ward

          Which is why the radio collar was removed and hidden after the animal was eventually killed. Seriously, why are you defending a poacher?

          • Fed24

            He didn’t remove the collar, the guides did because they did not have the appropriate permit or quota to kill Lion. That is a permit violation not poaching. It is not about defending him it is about correcting your factual inaccuracies.

            He had a legal permit to shoot a Leopard, a Leopard didn’t turn up to set bait but Cecil the Lion did. Neither Dentist or the guides knew who the Lion was. The guides told him to shoot the Lion, he did not realising it was a permit violation. They destroyed the collar to hide fact they have violated the law by hunting out of quota.

            If they had quota to shoot Lion, a species that can be legally hunted Zimbabwe, that it was a collared Lion would be immaterial as it is legal to shoot such animals in that Country.

            Average age of a wild Lion is 10-14, Cecil was about 11-13 according to officials. He was old, in a matter of months he probably would of died or lost the pride anyway to a younger animal.

            I don’t like bow hunting but stop being precious about something you clearly haven’t done enough research into. A permit violation is rather different to intentional poaching.

          • Don Ward

            Another unethical hunter chimes in.

          • Fed24

            Ah so you are secretly spying on me Don! I mean that could be the only way you know what I get up to. Pretty impressive really as I’m a British citizen living in Scotland. Funnily yes I do hunt on occasion, as you know exactly what I get up to I don’t need to tell what species. I mean you already must know that I hunt Grey Squirrels, Rabbits and occasionally Wood Pigeon. You already must know that I have only ever killed those three species with rifle and shotgun. I am considering doing a bit of wildfowling at some point and I wouldn’t mind hunting boar.

            Look if you want to make yourself look like an ignorant Prat that is your business. You are consistently stating factual inaccuracies man up when somebody politely corrects you.

            This is a shooting website that includes those who hunt, if you don’t like maybe go off and regularly comment on Peta’s website as it will probably be a better home for you.

            Now get this into your thick skull numnutz:

            IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO HUNT LION IN ZIMBABWE RADIO COLLARED OR NOT IF YOU HAVE THE CORRECT PERMIT AND QUOTA!

            In this case it was PERMIT AND QUOTA VIOLATION, the dentist was an idiot to bow hunt big game in my opinion but if had the correct permit then I don’t give a flying toss if it was a Lion or not.

            Get it!

    • guest jones

      that is 100% bs…now show me a breakdown of how the money is distributed…dont sit there and tell me the money goes to conserve these animals unless u have an accounting of the money

    • Bombaste Von Hohenheim

      Alex and SP, perhaps it’s time to keep awareness of both, and perhaps I said perhaps combating the slaying of animals could bring more awareness of the human slaying………… at least I do hope so.

    • DonDrapersAcidTrip

      “this is so stupid what about this other thing”
      wow great useful argument, while bending over backwards to get defensive about an illegal act

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Fine by me.
    I think people who get off on shooting these amazing animals have a screw loose.
    You want to hunt something dangerous in a foreign country? There’s a tour group called the US Marines that will set you up with a weapon, gear and transportation.

    • nadnerbus

      I tend to agree, I don’t get the appeal. But lions are not endangered, and many are killed legally every year. Few people get upset over the shooting of coyotes, but someone kills Simba and the country goes batsh!t.

      In the end, big game and trophy hunting in Africa is a topic that 99% of Americans had absolutely no understanding of, myself included. But an emotional button was pushed, and this guy was destroyed for it. The only difference between this and cyber bullying is that this was done by popular consent.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        I understand that this guy did not personally wipe out the lion population in Africa and that hunting fees (supposedly) go towards conservation efforts (If not in the pocket of some crooked politician). That is all fine and good. Im no expert on the subject either but I personally dont get how somebody flies 10,000 miles to Africa then jeeps out into some of the most amazing natural scenery on Earth and sees a beautiful lion….and shoots it.
        Why?

        • junyo

          Hemingway.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Dude was overrated.

          • junyo

            So is Kerouac but that doesn’t stop people from taking poorly thought out road trips trying to emulate him.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            My road trips emulate Clark Griswold.

          • Bill

            You mean they all got progressively worse from the first one?
            Except Christmas.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Haha, yeah basically.

          • Bill

            I always idolized Hemingway, then I remember he was an alcoholic who committed suicide.

            In Africa, I’d do the same thing when I visited his home in Key West: shoot lots of pictures of the cats, particularly the six-toed ones. Besides wasn’t he the one who had the quote about nothing comparing to the hunting of men? Sometime in the next couple days I’ll wind up in fair chase after some knucklehead with an outstanding warrant through the wilds of a trailer park. And if I shoot him out of bonds, there will be an uproar. If I shoot him in bounds there will be an uproar.

        • Yallan

          Not very notorious, if you don’t realize killing things is fun, it’s in our nature to kill. In the past it was humans, now we have to settle for ‘dangerous’ animals like lions.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            “killing things is fun”

            You should see somebody, dude.

        • Tassiebush

          Ultimately it comes down to different strokes for different folks. A few generations ago shooting a lion would just be the inherently normal thing to do if visiting those areas. Go back enough and they’re the mortal foe of most humans and they certainly still eat people now. But nowadays people seem to really admire them and project a whole lot of love at them. If we turn the “what a weird thing to do” lens elsewhere it’s easy to see pet ownership as pretty screwed up. Folks selectively breed increasingly dependent retarded versions of an animal so that they can have some unconditional love in their life. They pretty much universally castrate their beloved or sell off it’s offspring too.
          Personally we’ve got a couple of pets and I wouldn’t mind hunting a lion if I was satisfied it was sustainable and ethical. 😉

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Yeah, we do a lot of things that dont make sense. I have two siamese.
            Im not saying all trophy hunters are psychos I just dont understand shooting an animal for no reason other than to take its head.
            If I lived in Africa and had to worry about a lion eating me every time I went to check the mail I’d probably shoot every one I saw but you cant get on a plane and fly 10,000 miles to the lions neighborhood and then claim self defense. I dont see any lions flying to Texas to come eat me at my office.

        • avconsumer2

          lol – right? “So majestic… so beautiful… increasingly rare… LET’S SHOOT IT!!”

      • Don Ward

        And poaching an animal and shooting one with a radio collar is illegal and unethical. Seriously, has no one on The Firearm Blog taken hunters education?

        • nadnerbus

          Yep. The guy screwed up, or more likely, his guide did. And then he was tried, convicted, and sentenced in the court of public opinion. That is what I have a problem with.

          He might be a bastard, I don’t know the guy. Maybe he knew what he was doing every step of the way. If so, that is what legal systems are for.

          • Don Ward

            He should be extradited and given a fair trial back in Zimbabwe and treated like any other common poacher.

          • nadnerbus

            Fair enough. However, that is not what happened.

            I have not really followed the mess. Is there firm evidence that he knew he was going after a protected animal, or is this more assumption? From what I understood, the radio collar was hidden in the mane.

          • avconsumer2

            I think there is clear evidence that they purposefully baited it off the protected park land.

          • nadnerbus

            I personally think baiting is a BS way to hunt, But is that illegal there, and were they actively trying to bait a protected lion?

          • avconsumer2

            That’s what I’ve heard from the media anyway. (& yep, apparently highly illegal to bait a protected animal off of park grounds – surprise surprise)

          • Dan

            Quick to convict without know 100% of the facts there Don.

        • Tassiebush

          I think there’s a good chance this is a really big fcuk up but not malicious in intent. If you look at the size of his mane it’d be pretty easy to miss the collar. I might be naive but I don’t think this guy would have knowingly chosen to nail a celebrity lion in a country like Zimbabwe. The host and guide may or may not be shonky.
          I once shot a large Bennett’s wallaby only to see what looked like a pink collar as it turned and hopped off before dropping. It turned out it was just all the frothy lung blood from the exit wound but geeze it gave me a shock! Thought I’d wrecked someone’s research! 🙂

          • Bill

            You weren’t in “Wake in Fright” at the time, were you? 😉

          • Tassiebush

            No unfortunately but I did see part of the film and snippets of the rest. If I recall correctly it’s about this stuck up townie who moves to a normal country town full of ordinary people and he can’t cope when they do normalthings with and to him 😉

    • lbeacham

      It’s about the rich can do it but you can’t. They have to do things we can’t to prove something. Heck, If I was rich, I’d do things the poor can’t. Like wear clothes once and throw them away so I wouldn’t have to wash them. I’d live in a big house, but I wouldn’t have time or energy enough to clean it.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        I’d have a walk in humidor.

        • Phil Hsueh

          Walk in humidor? Screw that, I’d want a walk in gun safe, something along the lines of large bank vault.

          • Cymond

            I appreciate the concept and would definitely appreciate the security, but I’d want the interior to be pleasant, sorta like the Cabela’s Gun Library rooms. I’d want to be able to hang out & admire my collection. The center table would be replaced by a desk/workbench for both reading & repair.
            http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/bigmap/outoftown/pennsylvania/berkscounty/hamburg/cabelas/53gunlibrary.jpg

          • Phil Hsueh

            The two aren’t exactly mutually exclusive. There’s no reason that you couldn’t make the inside of a bank vault to look something like that.

    • mosinman

      i don’t care really. if they’re paying for a legal hunt it’s none of my concern

    • avconsumer2

      Sadly, both this guy, and myself, are classified as “too old” for that particular “guided hunt”. Oh, & there’s the small matter of the top level manager of that particular tour group… POTUS.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        If I went to Africa (which I will hopefully) I would take a camera instead of a gun.

        • avconsumer2

          Indeed. My previous caliber of choice… the 35mm. (& not the Oerlikon fired variety)

  • nick ootes

    “Firearms not politics” And I don’t see any firearms

    • lbeacham

      I’m making a “finger gun”. Satisfied?

  • TDog

    In my opinion, if folks want to hunt and make sport of it, let’s let ’em go hunt ISIS and Al Qaeda. No limit, open season 365 days a year.

    ISIS is darned fine at attacking women and children – let’s see how those morons do against folks who know a thing or two about firearms.

    (PS – I’ve got no opinion on hunting one way or the other. I just know that hunting jihadi numbskulls would probably be a heckuva lot more satisfying)

    • Bear The Grizzly

      Technically, you make a fair point. Most people who hunt tend to stack the odds heavily in their favor. Hunting people would be too unpredictable. Despite it being a popular concept for books and tv it doesn’t seem to be that popular.

      • micmac80

        For one simple reason some shoot back and most of the big game hunters would quickly end up like their trophies . Have you ever seen how big game hunts are staged so that
        old fat farts can maybe make a shot .

        • Bear The Grizzly

          Yes, and they always have a truck nearby then are covered by at least 5 guys with even higher caliber rifles. I very much enjoy hunting, but I have no illusions about it. It is in no way any measure of my manhood.

          • Bill

            What kind of salt block would work best for an ISIS guy? Do they even have apples over there?

          • nadnerbus

            Just leave out a bowl of goat milk and some dates. They can’t resist it.

          • Dan

            If hunting were a measure of my manhood then I’d be a 10yo girl in a pink dress, i’ve been emasculated enough on hunting trips to know that I am not a good as I think I am at times.

    • Bill

      It isn’t like they are kept in a fenced in area and get food dropped off regularly in specific places. Plus, I’ve attended some autopsies, and I don’t particularly want to field-dress one of them.

      But I bet there’s no bag limit.

    • avconsumer2

      Now that’s a hunt I’d pay money for. I’ve often wondered why this particular market isn’t bigger.

    • suomunon

      I normally do not respond to comments. but I liked yours. The problem being with hunting ISIS is that you will run up against some Obama regulation prohibition and end up in a federal prison after Loretta get s through with you.

  • Rock or Something

    Maybe it’s just me, but I find it quite amused an ad for Safariland showing a small red coupe hauling a rather large buck(?) on the roof with the tagline “FIT IS EVERYTHING” shows up right below this article.

  • USMC03Vet

    It’s crazy how out of touch a lot of American businesses are with Americans, American culture, and generally allowing American citizens to do things they don’t like. I liked America much more before many businesses were in the business of hashtag activism and feel good bans on legal activities to appease the slugs of western civilization that complain about everything.

    • nadnerbus

      It’s the age of the internet. Opinions aggregate very quickly into movements. A business that finds itself on the wrong side of one can get hurt badly. I can understand why they would move quickly to get on the right side of the mobs.

      • USMC03Vet

        Are there any studies that show attacking possible customers and banning their legal activities increase their bottom line I’d like to see them. I think it’s the opposite. When businesses do this type of thing I actually have the other reaction and try not to do business with them even if I don’t partake personally in the behavior they are against.

        • Bill

          The number of customers these airlines will loose over this probably measure in the dozens. That’s an exaggeration, but trans-national hunters hauling trophies home, or pro-hunters who choose different airlines because of this policy have to be a minuscule percentage compared to the soccer moms hauling the kiddies to Disney World to see the Lion King.

          Passing out crossbows to the audience would make it a much more exciting show.

    • lbeacham

      P.C. run amok. Next it will be “all wild animals matter” and they’ll be on wild food stamps.

  • junyo

    1. A lot of African nations depend on tourism to fund their wildlife conservation efforts. Rich dentists choosing to get their bloodlust on in Alaska or South America basically takes money out of the pockets of poor people in 3rd world countries so that rich people in 1st world countries can feel morally superior at zero cost to themselves.
    2. This guy had a permit, so everyone involved – including the government- knew a lion was going to die. He just killed the wrong lion, in the wrong area. I’m fine with a healthy penalty or even some symbolic jail time to make people be more careful, but let’s be realistic.
    3. What the best case scenario, end of life, for a non-zoo lion? Getting mauled by a younger/stronger lion, loosing his pride and eeking out a solo existence until he starves or gets killed? Lions don’t go to an old lions home and die in their sleep surrounded by their grown cubs, who have taken time off from their successful lion careers and flown in from Chicago. Wild animals die painful, violent deaths. So Cecil caught his a bit sooner than the odds would’ve had it, big woop.
    4. If you’re going to hunt, don’t suck at it. Put the animal down as quickly and mercifully as possible.
    5. Every cow on earth pretty much thinks that humans are two faced SOBs right now, considering we probably have killed a couple million cows without batting an eye while at the same time loosing our collective minds over a cat.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      ” What the best case scenario, end of life, for a non-zoo lion? Getting
      mauled by a younger/stronger lion, loosing his pride and eeking out a
      solo existence until he starves or gets killed?”

      Still probably beats getting shot (poorly) with a broadhead arrow then suffering for a couple of days until somebody finally shoots you.

      • junyo

        Thus the whole “If you’re going to hunt, don’t suck at it” bit. That’s the truly inexcusable thing.

  • When I win the lottery, I’m going to fund a massive social media “movement” to protect a random water buffalo that our PR team will name “Charlie.” After that I’ll book a hunt and tag that poor fella with a Nitro Express double rifle. When the mob boos and hisses I’ll unveil my epic trolling of their feeble minds. It will be forgotten after the next celebrity nipple slip….

    • Bill

      Hack it to death with a machete, go all Apocalypse Now on it.

      • Tassiebush

        “This is the end, my bovine friend”

  • Jared A. Faber

    You guys are getting dangerously close to politics, not firearms with this article.

  • kjellsvanström

    firstly who trusts evil dictatorship bureacrauts who says that there was anything illegal about this? this is people who work for Mugabe ffs

    secondly the actual hunter probably had done everything the right way (apart from not having a true shot but every hunter does at some point, otherwise you haven’t hunted enuff) it is the professional hunters who he bought the hunt from who f’ed up if anything, probably bribed the wrong coorrupt bureacraut

    Thirdly: it is just an animal, a majestic animal sure, like all species worthy of protection, but as a species not individuals. I love Disney as much as the next straight guy in my 40s (I like it alot) but it doesn’t cloud my judgement and color my political leanings (if it did i’d have happy negroes singing in the backyard) how loved do you really think a lion who kills cattle and people if it can, named after a white imperialist is really loved by the locals?

    trophy hunting is not only okey it provides money for conservation, brings employment to locals and has had more to do with actually saving species then hipster greenies ever did

  • Tassiebush

    Yeah that guy was pretty darn odd by the sound of it!

  • smartacus

    Shot across the bow to non-rich. Don’t even think about African game hunting like the money-lending class.

    • smartacus

      .and it still won’t stop people from over there bringing over their smelly rotting bush meat because it’s not a trophy

  • greg

    Only in America again. When some screws up, take it out on everyone.

  • Bombaste Von Hohenheim

    Where can we get a hunting license for hunters in Africa?

  • suomunon

    So, when did they stop shipping baby body parts?

  • Anthony “stalker6recon”

    I am sorry, but anyone who has the gall to put a lion in their scope, and pull the trigger, is just a disgusting human being. He only did this, because of his money, and narcissistic ego. Next time, pull the trigger on a shutter release.

    Hunting for food is one thing, and helping to control the population of animals for their own benefit, all make sense. If this animal had eaten a person, of course the situation would change. But to go after a lion, which are already in bad shape in the wild, is abhorrent. Same goes for rino’s, elephants, tigers or any of the species that are endangered and spectacular wonders of nature.

    Big game hunters, are douchebags with low self esteem, and a moral compass that is spinning wildly out of control. That “doctor” is ostracized, as he should be. I hope this costs him way more than the 50k he spent on his thrill kill. Being bankrupted, is the best way to hurt elite morons, I hope he loses everything he has worked for (or inherited).

    I am sure there are hunters here, that don’t understand the backlash, but once again, how skilled does one need to be, to lure an animal into the open, and use a high powered scope, when anyone with any skills, could use iron sights to make that same shot. And again, seeing that animal in your reticle, how in the world could you pull the trigger?

    Sorry, there is just no justification for what that idiot did. He wasn’t in danger, and just tried to fill a hole in his fragile mind, find a hobby, dumb ass!

    • Wyatt90

      Chill out

  • LazyReader

    So what FedEx and UPS have stated they’re not withholding services regarding trophy animals

    • Anthony “stalker6recon”

      I wish there was a legal “counter trophy hunter” law. I would love to bring back the heads of rich idiots, who probably fired a gun for the first time, on their wild adventure in Africa. Now that would be mounts, I would be proud to display.

  • Donald Darr

    Once again the Political Correct Police at its finest. Big Game Hunting has been going on for centuries, then one idiot dentist illegally shoots a beloved lion and the public acts like this is something NEW that needs to be stopped now. Yet there’s no public outcry for the hundreds of elephants and rhinos that are slaughtered illegally each year!

  • jcitizen

    No hunter worth beans uses bait to attract game, to be a real man we had to go out and find it. Of course I never thought I needed to hunt to prove I was anything, but I believed in sportsmanship for sure. Not doing that makes hunting suck – its no fun that way.

    Other than that – I’m sure it would work just as good to ship these things out with regular shipping services. You don’t need no stinking plane. My uncle was a Hatari operator in Kenya in the 1920’s and he used to ship LIVE animals out to zoos in the US and the rest of the world. Now capturing them unhurt did take a REAL man! They didn’t use no stinking dart guns in 1926!

  • Don Ward

    So you’re OK with poaching. Got it. Do you routinely break the law yourself because others get away with it?

  • Bdpenn

    Illegal you say, is the jury in? I missed the finding of the investigation and the fact baseed ruling. Seems like every time the social media as well as main stream media gets ahold of a story lately, after all the knee jerking by the gov and in this case the air industry, the actual and what was depicted are quite different. We were a land of laws, seems like we have regressed tremendously in this age of technology. Will the adults in the room please stand and take your place?. Please!

  • Bill Wharton

    SCREW the airlines! They deserve to BE SUED for discriminating against TROPHY HUNTERS! I agree …… FELONS ARE RELEASED TO KILL COPS AND THAT IS “OK”; A STINKING LION GETS SHOT AND IT BE A NATIONAL TRAGEDY! That is —- as we say in the slums of WATTS …………………….. BULLSHIT!