UBER Driver Was Robbed At Gunpoint

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The photo above is for illustrative purposes and not from this incident.

Just after UBER announced that firearms will be banned for riders and its drivers, while using their services, an UBER driver in Queens was robbed at gun point last Wednesday.

According to the New York Daily News, the Uber driver stopped for up a 22-year-old man “on 67th Ave. and Burns St. in Rego Park just after midnight.” The two negotiated a price then the man got in the car, only to allegedly point a rifle at the driver and demand all his money.

The driver handed over $60 and the 22-year-old suspect jumped out of the car and fled.

The driver was not injured in the incident and Uber says they are investigating.

I find this interesting. Of course people will jump all over UBER and chant “TOLD YOU SO” however there are other factors. There is no doubting that banning legal firearms is a bad idea, but lets focus on where this crime happened. It happened in Queens, NY. Queens is one of the five boroughs of NYC. Which means NYC law rules over those areas. More specifically, firearm laws and restrictions. NYC requires a Firearm License for all legal firearms. Not just handguns and according to the incident, the suspect used a rifle. Which means he would have had to had a Firearm License if he was a legal firearm owner. Probably not but let’s explore what is involved with getting that License.

According to the NYPD website, there are a few things needed to get this license/permit.

First of all, self defense is not a worthy explanation to have a firearm, unless you are rich or famous. It always comes down to money.

If you intend to apply for a license related to your employment, profession, or business, you may ask to speak to an application reviewer who will screen your application and documents, and will assist you in determining the type of license you appear to be eligible for.

So people with money and influence are given special treatment and consideration over ordinary people.

There are five different types of license. Three of them are specific for businesses. One is for bodyguards and the last one is for hunting and recreation. It shows their priorities.

 
CARRY BUSINESS LICENSE: This is an unrestricted class of license which permits the carrying of a handgun concealed on the person. It is valid for the business name, address, and handguns listed on the front of the license. It is not transferable to any other person, business, occupation, or address, without the written approval of the commanding officer, license division.

LIMITED CARRY BUSINESS LICENSE: IS A RESTRICTED TYPE OF LICENSE. The licensee may only carry handguns indicated on the license in accordance with the specific limitations listed thereon. At all other times the weapon must be safeguarded within the confines of the business address listed on the front of the license either concealed on the licensee’s person in a proper holster or stored unloaded in a locked safe.

SPECIAL CARRY LICENSE: Is valid for the business name, address and handguns listed on the front of this license, only while the licensee has in his possession a valid basic county license issued according to the provisions of article 400 of the N.Y.S. Penal law. Upon the revocation, suspension, or cancellation of the basic license, the special license is rendered void and must be immediately returned to the license division.

CARRY GUARD LICENSE: (SECURITY GUARDS, ETC.) Applications for this type of license must be made with the documentation provided by a company’s Gun Custodian. It is issued only for the handgun listed on the license. The handgun may be carried only while the licensee is actively engaged in employment for the company whose name appears on the license, and/or while licensee is in transit directly to or from residence and place of employment. At all other times the handgun must be stored unloaded in a locked container, at either the address on the license, or at the employee’s legal residence (within the State of New York).

PREMISES LICENSE: IS A RESTRICTED TYPE OF LICENSE. It is issued for your RESIDENCE or BUSINESS. The Licensee may possess a handgun ONLY on the premises of the address indicated on the front of the license. Licensees may also transport their handguns and ammunition in SEPARATE LOCKED CONTAINERS, DIRECTLY to and from an authorized range, or hunting location. HANDGUNS MUST BE UNLOADED while being transported.

The fees to file for the license is $340 and $91.50 for fingerprinting. Non-refundable if you do not pass.

What does this have to do with this current mugging? It is in a location where the majority of people are defenseless. There is a higher percentage that a robber will come across an unarmed victim in NYC.

If UBER did not ban legal firearms for its drivers and riders, I do not think it would have made much difference in this case. It would be highly unlikely that the UBER driver would have a Handgun License let alone a handgun for self defense in NYC.

While this irony is perfectly timed to UBER’s shift in policy, it would propably have happened anyway.

There are some details to this incident that raises questions. UBER does not negotiate prices. Also criminals are not the brightest in the bunch but UBER drivers are not paid in cash. UBER and LYFT services operate using credit cards via their app. Money never exchanges hands between the driver and passenger. So an UBER driver is not exactly an ideal victim.

How did the driver not see a rifle when he drove up to pick up the suspect? Even if he parked and the suspect came up to the car, how did he not see the rilfe?



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • TheNotoriousIUD

    How could this have happened?
    Uber said guns weren’t allowed in their cars…?

    • Rock or Something

      The criminal obviously didn’t get the sternly worded proclamation from Uber. If he had, he wouldn’t have robbed the driver with a firearm.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Yeah, an honest mistake.

      • marathag

        And used a Knife instead.

        Waiting for the Uber policy letter on Blades

    • Pete Sheppard

      As the article discusses, the driver would have been unarmed anyway, due to the draconian NYC gun laws.

    • TVOrZ6dw

      I have no doubt our friends at Uber are working right now to ban the evil gun totting criminal from their service. We won’t see him again…

  • Ratcraft

    I have never used uber, doubt I ever will, but, that wouldn’t stop me from taking my gun. It goes everywhere.

    • nadnerbus

      Until they institute a pat-down policy, the rule is unenforceable. I’m sure they know that too. It makes their predominantly young and liberal clientele feel warm and fuzzy and it covers their butts.

      • Dan

        I am guessing the no gun thing is less about politics and more about some lawyer that craps everytime someone mentions the word liability. Or it could be both

  • Giolli Joker

    As the criminal was concealing a rifle, he was probably wearing a SCOTTeVEST garment…

  • Maxpwr

    On the other hand, it WAS Queens so you can pretty much guess people there are disarmed.

    • Maxpwr

      When will we get a 14th and 2nd Amendment case recognizing the right of people to carry in all 50 states? Never. Apparently there’s a right to get married somewhere in the Constitution regardless of sex, but the black-and-white 2nd Amendment can’t be read by the men in black.

      • John Yossarian

        Be careful of what you wish for – Giving the Feds the ability to legalize carry today means giving them the ability to illegalize carry tomorrow.

        • tts

          They can already do that now legally so there is no need to set precedent.

          Any changes to gun laws are fairly unlikely on a Federal level right now due to the grid lock in Congress and quite frankly due to the popularity of guns in general.

  • MrEllis

    This validates UBER’s policy more so than not. The guy is alive and anyone dumb enough to pull this kind of crime is dumb enough to shoot.

    1. The assumption is this driver even wanted a gun or would have carried a gun. Most people in America do not carry. You did mention he wouldn’t likely carry, but only at the very end, after you made your case.

    2. You skipped the legalities and liability of carrying the gun for the politics of it. If you have someone carrying on the job, insurance becomes an issue, then training, every city has different licensing laws, every state has different laws. The legalities are nightmarish at best. Ask any underwriter to give you a liability quote on over two thousand employees with not central training or real background checks. It’s not fiscally sound, nor is doing business without it.

    3. Even with your “disclaimer” that’s horribly dishonest to put the picture up front. Fan. The. Flames.

    4. Company policy is not law, anyone can carry it just transfers liability from UBER to the person when they have it in writing. Lawyers can still attack it if it’s obvious the policy is ignored and you can still get fired or whatever UBER policy dictates. How often do you think anyone who enforces policy is around a driver? Most people here already have stated they are willing to ignore the policy, I don’t see why a driver would be any different if he so choose.

    5. Welcome to The Truth About Guns 2.0. Good news is you can finally start blaming “Obummer” ever third article and just be in the open about it now.

    • Bear The Grizzly

      Well, somebody needs a hug. I will say this IS getting awfully close to the “politics” side of things though.

      • tts

        But he is right though. The article is excessively reactionary, political, and doesn’t really address the practical issues of conceal carry in the driver’s situation.

        Normally the writers here do a better job than this so I guess something about the story must’ve hit a emotional trigger or something.

        • Dan

          Or the reality that when we discuss guns there will be the stink of politics somewhere.

          • MrEllis

            It’s pretty easy to avoid. You show me a cool custom CZ75 and I’m pretty much, “sweet.”

      • MrEllis

        Hmm the risks of taking a hug from a dude named Bear… I’ll risk it, come on, wrap up.

        • Bear The Grizzly

          Haha you sir, just made my morning.

          • MrEllis

            We are here to have fun, after all.

    • Dan

      I visited TTAG for the first time last night. Wow is all I have to say. I hope this site never gets anywhere close to that mess.

      • MrEllis

        It’s pretty average for gun blogs. Which is why I like here, mostly.

  • USMC03Vet

    I’m surprised any of that actually is tolerated especially the “At all other times the handgun must be stored unloaded in a locked container, at either the address on the license, or at the employee’s legal residence (within the State of New York)” part which is in such a flagrant violation of the 2nd amendment it should be spinning every judges head right of their body.

    Oh wait, I forgot. The 2nd amendment doesn’t count and the Government allows citizens such privileges….

  • Joshua

    Impossible, UBER is a gun free company. No guns can be used.

  • HM

    Why did the driver stop for a guy holding a rifle?

    • nadnerbus

      He thought he was happy to see him, but it was in fact a rifle in his pocket.

  • Grindstone50k

    Wait, a RIFLE?

  • JimBenton

    You forgot CRIMINAL LICENSE!! Oh wait, don’t they just issue that to themselves?

  • The guy in the photo is holding a handgun, yet it says the driver was robbed by a guy pointing a rifle at him?

    • nadnerbus

      The article states the picture is not from the same incident.

    • MrEllis

      It’s more sensational.

  • Girder

    Armed or not the outcome probably would’ve been the same. My #1 rule of gunfights, if they have a gun pointed at you and you haven’t draw, you’ve probably already lost.

    • MrEllis

      Or you should probably not get into the gunfight at that point.

  • Sulaco

    Just after UBER announced that firearms will be banned for riders and its drivers, while using their services, an UBER driver in Queens was robbed at gun point last Wednesday.

    Oh well, then things worked out just fine as far as UBER and NYC are concerned then…

    • MrEllis

      You think the guy with the rifle read that? Maybe his missed the obvious part no cash transactions…

  • Blake

    “How did the driver not see a rifle when he drove up to pick up the suspect? Even if he parked and the suspect came up to the car, how did he not see the rilfe?”

    That was my question. Unless “rifle” means something different in NYC than the rest of the world. Or he was carrying it a gym bag or something.

    Not exactly the most practical weapon to wield inside a vehicle either…

  • AlmightySatan

    TAMPA, Florida — An Uber driver who was being choked by a passenger shot him in the foot Sunday in Clearwater Beach, police said:

    Clearwater Police continue to investigate a shooting that occurred in the 400 block of Mandalay Avenue late Sunday.

    The shooting occurred inside a vehicle that was stopped at about 10 p.m. on Mandalay Avenue to allow an Uber driver to pick up a passenger. The driver and passenger became involved in a verbal altercation that then grew physical, with the passenger choking the driver at one point.

    The driver, who has a concealed weapons permit, then pulled a gun from his waist area. As the struggle continued, the gun went off, striking the passenger in the foot.

  • DIR911911 .

    so they are concealed carrying rifles? in june?

  • Waz

    So the, and I am paraphrasing here, ‘NOT’ politics thing, is that still happening, or is it more of a lip-service thing?

  • Pranqster

    where exactly was he concealing that rifle?

    ” The two negotiated a price then the man got in the car, only to allegedly point a rifle at the driver and demand all his money.”