SilencerCo Now Sells NFA Trusts for $129

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SilencerCo is now selling the creation of NFA Trusts for just $129. A trust allows all trustees (which could be family members) to use NFA items owned by the trust. It also means that trust-held NFA items don’t need to be transferred to an heir after the owners death, which saves time. SilencerCo says

A properly-prepared gun trust has significant advantages for gun owners. It enables the use of NFA-regulated firearms and accessories among trustees, protects against potential future regulatory restrictions, and provides for the orderly transition of ownership upon death. It also tends to speed up the process for obtaining NFA items, eliminating the need for a Chief Law Enforcement Officer’s signature, fingerprints cards, etc.

The EasyTrust is 50-state legal. The process of ratification will differ by state, but we’ll send you a document detailing the processes you’ll need to follow. We priced the EasyTrust at $129.99 – a fraction of the cost of typical gun trusts – to make it accessible to everyone. Reject the idea that a trust is a luxury item. In reality, it’s a must-have for anyone looking to #FightTheNoise.



Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


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  • James

    Very smart business move right here.

    • Jeff S

      I think Silencershop has been doing this for a while… They’ll do the work to find a Class 3 dealer near you to do the transfer. For extra $$ of course, but the service is there.

  • Spencer W

    finally!

  • Jason

    What is the current wait time for stamps these days?

    • Jeff S

      Trust filed Form 4s seem to be around four months. Trust e-filed Form1s are about 30-40 days.

  • TangledThorns

    I paid $200 for my trust through a lawyer years ago. For those looking to buy NFA you have no excuse now!

  • 360AD

    CA forbids suppressors. So how is this 50 state legal?

    • Jeff S

      Trusts are illegal in California? They’re not just for NFA items, you can also use them for estate planning when it comes to the disposition of your firearms in the event of your (or another trustee’s) death.

      • Rick

        CA plays games. they call rifled revolvers “short barreled shotguns” when convenient. And while you can own NFA items through a trust, you cannot import them into the state. Nor can you use them within CA borders. So might as well buy your friends really cool stuff and wait till you travel out of state to get em out of the safe when in a free state

      • mmathers

        IIRC, the only nfa item you could reasonably in California get the trust route without running into requirements for more permits were AOWs. Personally, I’m not sure a serbu super shorty or a vfg on a pistol merits the tax stamp let alone the hassle of a trust.
        -mm

        Edit: in ca

  • toms

    Misleading. So for 129$ they will send you a detailed packet with directions to follow in order to get a trust. They don’t appear to sell you a trust. Sounded good at first but what do they give you in reality?

    • Jason

      Paying for a dummy proof setup is what it sounds like. So you don’t have any mistakes if you were to choose to create one on your own. I think it’s worth the money to make sure it’s done correctly.

      • KestrelBike

        It would make me feel a lot better if SilencerCo included a $50 rebate towards one of their silencers. They state quite clearly “All EasyTrust sales are final” IE you’re SOL if you discover it doesn’t work out for your situation.

        • Cymond

          OTOH, if all they’re selling is info to create a trust yourself, unscrupulous people would use/copy the info and then get a refund.

    • Drew Coleman

      So wait, it’s just an instruction sheet for doing it, not an actual trust? If that’s the case, I’ll just go to a local lawyer to get it done…

    • Jheryko

      I bought one. You provide information such as trustee, beneficiary, county and state. A trust is emailed to you along with instructions on getting it notarized and a word document to ammend the trust if needed. I’ve also purchased a silencer from them. I think they are first rate and I have been very pleased with them.

  • Rick

    I should apply from California to use SBRs and silencers here in the state. Watch them run in terror.

    • Cymond

      From what I remember from my time in CA, you’d need a ‘Dangerous Weapons Permit’ from the CA DOJ (which they do NOT give to us little peons) for the SBR, and the suppressor is completely out of the question.

      • nadnerbus

        Yeah, California pretty much makes any NFA items impossible to acquire legally unless you have some pretty high connections. You have to be a movie armorer, do business with law enforcement, something like that. Or sleep with Kamela Harris.

      • Rick

        it’s like concealed carry. Approved by the 9th circuit even after appeals, but the Sheriff here in Santa Clara County, well after a year, still refuses to get in compliance claiming to be “waiting until the appeals process is complete” but actions on essentially revoking weed legalization in under 24 hours. But no protests, because she’s a good DNC party apparatchik

  • Can someone explain how this would be legal in non-NAH States? Does this mean I can start the trus, but not import NFA firearms, or does it mean I could do both?

    • Cymond

      The trust is legal in all 50 states, doesn’t mean the NFA items are. Some states forbid some or all NFA firearms.

  • Techbutler

    Thank you @toms…pay first, details later?…we’re talking about attorneys here. First rule, never hire inside counsel.

  • Marty Ewer

    Two words: Quicken Willmaker. Set up my family’s trust in about 30 mins.

    • Dan

      except that the company that makes quicken willmaker explicitly says NOT to do it.

      Question:Can I use a Nolo living trust to make a gun trust?

      Answer: No.

      If you want to create a gun trust, get personalized legal advice from an expert on gun laws. Nolo living trusts are designed for the people who simply want to pass on their assets while avoiding probate. Gun trusts are complicated because they:

      — may need to last for more than one generation
      — may have multiple trustees, and
      — must address both state
      and federal weapons laws.

      Nolo’s living trusts do not address these issues, and so you should not use Nolo living trusts to transfer weapons. If you want to make a gun trust, get help from a lawyer who has plenty of experience with these trusts and state and federal weapons laws.

  • kawa1

    BEWARE!!
    I bought a trust from them for a suppressor the latter part of Janary 2014. Filled out the paper work gave them my credit card info wnd they were to charge all fees as well as send a check to ATF for my tax stamp.
    I trusted them and their trained monkeys to do what they promised and get me my suppressor with in a few months.
    Around June 2014 I had yet to hear anything so I called SilencerCo to see if they had any info. Upon checking I was informed that all of my paperwork had been stored in the file and never sent to ATF because according to their trained monkey the $200.00 fee had never been charged to my card so the money was NOT sent to ATF. So much for their promise to take care of everything and cut the wait time down to a few months.
    When I became angry and asked why if they felt that I still owed monies I wasn’t contacted instead of stuffing the whole project into a file cabinet and walking away I was told that they would be happy to cancel my order and refund my purchase price on the suppressor.
    HOLY CRAP!, so much for “Taking care of everything” bullshit.
    I contacted ATF about 10 days ago and was informed that my application had been approved the end of December 2014 and that my FFL dealer should have the paperwork, if they don’t then the FFL dealer could send a letter requesting copies.
    As you probably have guessed the FFL dealer didn’t have the papers, a request has been sent and now I am back at the station waiting once again for the train to arrive.
    ATF doesn’t give a rats ass and neather does SilencerCo. It’s all about the money…..

    • pc299

      I think you’re talking about SilencerShop not SilencerCo

      • kawa1

        I stand corrected, you are right I do mean “SilencerShop” Thanks for catching that.

  • echelon

    Or…or how about we give up this statist nonsense and rather than #fightthenoise we actually #fightthestupidity that is all NFA “laws”…

    Rather than play the game…invent a new one.

    One – It’s my right to own a gun, any gun that shoots anything at any rate of fire I desire with as short or long of a barrel as I desire.
    Two – It’s my right to suppress said gun without informing anyone that I am doing so and without paying anyone $200 for the “privilege”.
    Three – It’s my right to take the gun and suppressor wherever I please.
    Four – It’s my right to give or sell the gun and suppressor to anyone I please.
    Five – It is NOT my right to use the gun or suppressor to harm anyone in any capacity regardless of where I may have the gun and suppressor. Furthermore, it is NOT the right of the person that I gave the gun or suppressor to harm anyone in any capacity.
    Six – It is NOT my right to take the gun or suppressor on anyone’s private property without their permission or express consent.
    Seven – It is my right to NOT inhabit anyplace that prohibits my right to carry the gun or suppressor on the premises.

    Limiting any of these things does not make injuring, maiming or murdering with any weapon more or less “illegaler”. Nor does any purported “law” make anyone with intent less likely to commit said crime.

    • HSR47

      Campaigning for changes to current laws and obeying current laws are not mutually exclusive.

      As it stands, campaigning for changes to federal laws regarding the classification/transfer procedure of what are now regulated as Title II firearms is difficult because politicians do not see a sufficiently large constituency for it to be worth the necessary political capital.

      The TLDR here is that every politician must weigh every action they take based on how their district will react to it when they’re running for reelection: In other words, if in their district gun owners outnumber anti-gun zealots 10 to 1, then any sane politician can see that getting involved with anti-gun bills is a bad move politically. However, if only 1 in 100 of those gun owners has at least one legally-registered Title II firearm, then NFA owners are outnumbered 10 to 1 by the anti-gun zealots, which then makes it not worthwhile to piss off the anti-gun zealots by supporting bills to reform the NFA/GCA.

      It’s simple math, and the only way to change it is to increase the percentage of the population that owns Title II firearms.

      As for your numbered points, I agree with all but the following:

      5: Nobody has the right to initiate force against others, but all have the right to use force in self-defense against aggressors unlawfully using force.

      6: Express consent is needed for entry to private property, and if there are conditions placed on that consent it is the duty of the property owner/holder to express them — not of the visitor to play “mother may I.”

      In other words, they all boil down to: “I do whatever I want so long as I don’t unlawfully use force against others, and I can do it wherever I go, at least until I’m asked to stop by someone with legitimate authority.”

      • echelon

        Don’t you love oligarchies?

    • Harold

      Because I live in the real world and not some libertarian fantasy utopia? How about you go and perform 1-7 above post it on youtube, and report back.

      • echelon

        Well Harold, all I’ll say is here in the “real” world we got into this situation by people making decisions and acting on those decisions.

        We can’t change the “real” world by just blinding following every insane and asinine rule that some moron concocts in his shallow little mind and foists onto the public.

        How can we change the state of our world if we aren’t trying to change the hearts and minds of people to get them to wake up to what the real reality is?

        I’m sure Jefferson, Hancock and the other non-Federalist founders where called all sort of names and jeered for their ideas as well. And apparently it’s a good tactic because the Federalists won the game and we have the government that we have.

        I could easily go perform what I’ve outlined on YouTube…how would that make a difference? Now if 100,000 or 1,000,000 people performed them, just out of natural right and respect, then we’d be on to something…

        Hell, it might only take a few hundred…the few boys that showed up at a ranch sure made an impression, didn’t it?

        • Harold

          Can you cut your shotgun barrel down to 17.75 inches? How did that work out for Randy?

          • echelon

            Of course I can.

            Let’s get to brass tacks here: The reason one “can’t” is because there is a proverbial and also very real gun to each and everyone’s head in this country.

            Real law such as don’t murder people, don’t steal other peoples’ things, sure there should be harsh and immediate punishments if found guilty.

            But things like not paying a property tax or cutting a barrel down on a gun or collecting rain water from your roof, those are things that a really free people would and should be able to do, but we can’t.

            Why?

            Because if you don’t do those things it is very painfully clear. Men in suits with fancy titles who claim that they’ve been appointed or elected by us for our “safety and benefit” will come and take your property, wealth, time or life away.

            So one must ask, when we look at the “real” world and see these things happening, how did we get to this point?

            The answer is obvious. We have the government we deserve.

      • Tothe

        “Because I live in the real world, and not some fantasy abolitionist utopia, we should just keep on returning escaped slaves to their owners.”

  • Tiberius

    This article is typical TFB clickbait. No research, just copied and pasted from google… or worse, and email from the seller.

  • Harold

    Thanks for the link (also a click through web ad on this site) which looks like a good option. SilencerCo has been leading the charge for the normalization of what is perceived to be a tool only mobsters and assassins use, so I threw my extra $50 to them. While I am not one to spend an extra $0.10 on much you gotta pick your fights.

  • Ken

    Where in CO did you go to setup the trust? I live out by the Denver airport.

  • You just have to give it a little time. Disqus blocked it because you put a URL in your comment. I ok’d your comment so no need to be irritated.
    I’m more than a little busy today.

    • LetsTryLibertyAgain

      Sorry. My comments were disappearing below the fold for me and it looked like they were being deleted. It’s certainly not a moderator’s job to tell me why something isn’t appropriate, but I was trying to repost the info in a way that was acceptable. I do some gun forum moderating, and I know it’s thankless work… so… THANKS! 🙂

  • UNKNOWNUSER

    I don’t think a trust is covered by the 2nd amendment and just setting one up makes you a target of the IRS BATFE! Trust me I know, been there done that . CAVEAT EMPTOR!

  • Counselor

    This will be (and probably SHOULD be) shut down pretty quickly… This looks like the unauthorized practice of law. Even if SilencerCo has an attorney working on these packets, there are a number of ethical issues at play here….

    Find a local attorney who knows YOUR state-specific law regarding trust (trust law is very much a state-specific area of law) to put together your NFA Trust. Don’t risk something this important in the name of saving $50 — especially when we know most of us would just spend that extra $50 on beer/cigars/fast food/etc.