Beretta’s Answer

M9A3-b1

Beretta has come out with their answer to the U.S. Army’s service handgun competition (discussed in much detail at TFB here), and it is the currently named M9A3. This is a confusing name because the Army hasn’t even begun trials but Beretta is going ahead and picking out the name for their entry. The news release on the company’s website says it best-

The M9A3 represents the next generation military handgun utilizing the best of the legacy M9 combined with proven COTS modifications that increase performance and durability” stated Gabriele de Plano, Vice President of Military Marketing and Sales for Beretta USA. Mr. de Plano added, “After listening closely to the needs of U.S. Army and other Service small arms representatives, we determined the M9, much like its counterpart legacy weapon systems (M4, M16, M240, etc.), was capable of being upgraded through material and design changes. The resulting M9A3 we are offering to the DOD will likely cost less than the current M9 and answer almost all of the Services’ enhanced handgun requirements.”

The M9A3 features a thin grip with a removable, modular wrap-around grip, MIL-STD-1913 accessory rail, removable front and rear tritium sights, extended and threaded barrel for suppressor use, 17-round sand resistant magazine, and numerous improved small components to increase durability and ergonomics, all in an earth tone finish.

“Furthermore, the M9A3 benefits from having a law enforcement and commercial variant that will be launched at S.H.O.T. Show 2015 in Las Vegas, NV” stated Rafe Bennett, Vice President of Product Marketing for Beretta USA. Mr. Bennett added, “The M9A3 offered to the DOD is the exact gun that consumers will be able to purchase in the second quarter of 2015.

It doesn’t say what caliber the handgun would be, although it appears that the news release is letting the reader assume that it is in 9x19mm NATO. One of the rumors circulating around the competition is that the Army is looking to upgrade the caliber. Because apart from the caliber, there doesn’t seem to be any significant design change to the actual handgun, just external changes. It also mentions the addition of a threaded barrel, which is puzzling because the majority of handguns in the U.S. Armed Forces are never meant for suppressed use. The company’s theory seems to be an upgrade in place instead of a completely new design. It also seems that Beretta is trying to pull the same tactic of offering the exact same handgun to the public like they did in the 1990s, and like Sig Sauer did. We’ll stay tuned on Beretta’s answer to the competition.



Miles V

Former Infantry Marine, and currently studying at Indiana University. I’ve written for Small Arms Review and Small Arms Defense Journal, and have had a teenie tiny photo that appeared in GQ. Specifically, I’m very interested in small arms history, development, and Military/LE usage within the Middle East, and Central Asia.

If you want to reach out, let me know about an error I’ve made, something I can add to the post, or just talk guns and how much Grunts love naps, hit me up at miles@tfb.tv


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  • Joshua

    I am glad to see they chose to use COTS options to fix the issues with the M9.

    I like the M9 and always have, but it does have a few parts that break often. If they fix those this will be an excellent handgun.

    May have to add the civilian model to my collection when it launches.

    I also wonder how much has changed, would a PiP be an option for the current M9 frame? Should be interesting to see how this shakes out.

    • LCON

      lets hold judgment before giving the Bro Thump to the Italian Stallion. The Army may not even accept this or they may instead run it as a base line and compare to other offerings

      • Joshua

        Anything is possible, but I also know an ECP under a currenr contract is a much faster, easier, and cheaper way to get an improved weapon.

    • Anonymoose

      Oh, no. This is not what will happen. They won’t adopt this. The program will be scrapped, and we’ll be stuck with regular M9s and regular M4s FOREVER. There are still tons of M16A2s in service, FFS. They had their chance to upgrade to the M9A1 (among other things) or replace it with the JCP, replace the M4/M16 with the Individual Carbine, replace the SAW with an EFFECTIVE IAR, replace the M14 and M24 with the M110, replace UCP with Multicam, etc, etc, etc. They still haven’t done it, and we’ll never see any military upgrades under sequestration or a left-leaning administration.

      • Joshua

        I can’t tell if serious or not?

  • tazman66gt

    Looks like a Vertec with the straight grip.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Exactly what it is. Vertec with a standard barrel, all in tan… HOW NEW!!

      • Joshua

        As well as COTS solutions to the most unreliable parts.

  • BattleshipGrey

    Looks like they’ve essentially made a market for an upgraded civilian 92FS. Because the military is either sticking with the M9/M9A1, or they’re switching to something completely different. IIRC, they left the requirements much more vague than last time, with a preference toward a bigger caliber.

    • KestrelBike

      Y’all aren’t thinking sinister enough. This was Beretta & some slick mil acquisition people’s plan all along. Announce MHS, Beretta says Oooh new M9! Army says “perfect!” and hands are greased, status quo trundels forward.

      • Joshua

        Or this whole thing could have been a way to get Beretta to submit ECPs to fix the issues with the M9.

        In all honesty the M9 is a really nice handgun with a few issues, issues that the ECPs being submitted will fix.

        We will basically get the perfect M9 and that is something that should have come long before now, but Beretta has to be the one to submit the changes and they have not to this degree until now.

  • jrt 82

    Did any of the literature inform of full compatibility with 92fs or m9 magazines?

    • JumpIf NotZero

      It’s a Vertec grip, takes the same mags.

  • Just move that god awful slide mounted safety. Taurus has a better design than you Beretta, c’mon

    • Nicks87

      How about remove the safety and go DAO(double action only)?

      • Giolli Joker

        Like the 92D…
        Even the G version where the lever is just a decocker isn’t that bad.
        But, yeah, the setup of the 93R is the most appealing to me.

        • TCBA_Joe

          The Billennium is a version of the 92 “Stock”. I think it’s lacking a decocking method which is why it was not widely adopted.

          Rumor is the M9A3 can be easily setup as both an FS safety/decocker or a G decocker.

          • Giolli Joker

            Stock, Steel, Billenium, are SA only, that’s why they’re not considered for military/LE use.

        • Nicks87

          I will take a 92D model over any DA/SA pistol.

    • Don Ward

      And what is “awful” about the slide mounted safety? Oh no, don’t put the safety in a spot that is easily activated by an easy flick of the thumb that required no shift of your hand.

      • Dr. Daniel Jackson

        You can’t go cocked and locked like with a 1911 is the problem with the safety.

        • Don Ward

          So the Beretta is “bad” because it doesn’t have the worst possible feature of the 1911? A feature that the military literally spent 70 years trying to work around. Roger.

          • Cheese_McQueen

            Don’t worry yourself, he is kinda stupid.

          • Dr. Daniel Jackson

            You are the stupid one,cocked and locked is a lot faster into action than having to pull a long and heavy double action trigger.

          • Cheese_McQueen

            Lol, OK doofus.

          • Dr. Daniel Jackson

            If it isn’t then why do special forces use handguns with frame mounted safeties wise guy?

          • CommonSense23

            Well Special Forces use Glocks, Seals use Sigs, CAG uses Glocks, Rangers use M9s or Glocks, and Marsoc is currently the only guys getting issued 1911s but they have been using Glocks overseas for the most part.

          • Cheese_McQueen

            Ever think that what works for the special forces community might not work for general issue? Shooting single action is only a fraction of a second slower, so minuscule that it isn’t even relevant. Other than MARSOC who is issued a gun with a frame mounted safety? The SEAL’s MK 24 is the only one that comes to mind, but those are not common issue guns, they normally pack a Sig instead.

          • Don Ward

            OK Quick Draw McGraw. So you really do believe the biggest handicap of the 1911 – and the main reason why it was dropped – is an “advantage”.

        • CapeMorgan

          Yes you can. It has been carried that way since it was adopted for service. The only difference is that in Condition One for the Beretta is that the hammer is down and the first shot is DA unless you add a move to pull back the hammer.

          • Dr. Daniel Jackson

            If the first shot is da it isn’t cocked and locked like a 1911.

        • WasThere

          Michael Shanks would be ashamed of these comments.

          • Some of us remember when he was James Spader.

          • Dr. Daniel Jackson

            As do I,but I thought Michael Shanks played the character much better than James Spader did.

          • Mazryonh

            Now only we had Zat’nik’tel weapons for handguns . . .

          • Dr. Daniel Jackson

            Who cares Michael Shanks probably doesn’t even know what single action action or double action means,he just an actor after all so he is probably anti-gun anyway.

      • It’s an awkward as hell placement, and especially hard to use with gloves, which are required PPE for military personnel (At least the Marines) A frame mounted safety is much easier to engage and doesn’t require the finger of your glove getting caught between the safety and slide.
        I carried this weapon for years when I was in, and it was a greta weapon except for that god awful safety

        • Don Ward

          I own a 92F and have had zero issues with it mechanically or ergonomically. OK, once it had a failure to feed in sub-zero temperature after I hadn’t cleaned it once for longer than I care to admit. The bad rap the Beretta gets seems to be from 1911 or Glock snobs looking for something to complain about.

          • I’m neither a Glock or 1911 fan and I don’t diasgree the Beretta is a well made, accurate, and reliable weapon, it just has a terrible safety. I’ve experienced a few failures when I had mine issued, but for the most part it was magazine related.

          • Don Ward

            Fair enough man. I’ll admit, I’ve only fired mine barehanded and would not have thought of it being a problem. Next time I take her out of the box to shoot, I’ll use my UA hunting gloves and see if there’s an issue.

          • billyoblivion

            I have inadvertently activated the de-cocker during failure drills, while racking the slide after a mag change or when training one hand manipulations. If you use the slide release and don’t do failure drills it’s not much of an issue.

    • Cheese_McQueen

      Pretty sure Taurus’ design is Beretta’s before they changed it to meet military requirements. Doofus.

      • Well duh, but Taurus had the common sense to keep an ergonomic design.

        • Cheese_McQueen

          Big ass military contract > “ergonomic design”

    • hod0r

      The first few 92 iterations had frame-mounted safeties, which was later changed to slide-mounted safety/decocker upon request from some early adopting police agency.

    • Frank

      They should really give it a frame mounted decocker instead.

      • Joshua

        It is easily converted to a G safety according to Beretta.

        • Frank

          I’d still rather have the decocker on the frame, nothing on the slide. They had that part in it’s right place the first time.

  • Beju

    A thinner grip and removable sights fix two of my biggest complaints about the M9/92FS.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Sounds like you could have had a Vertec all this time.

      • Beju

        Instead, I went P226 DAK, since DAO was a requirement at the time and the SIG K trigger was the lightest on the approved list.

      • 3XLwolfshirt

        Vertec models are getting increasingly difficult to find. It’s good they’ll be putting it back in production.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    Annoyed because the SIG P320 is the only competitor so far that actually embodies the MODULAR HANDGUN SYSTEM. The army could literally adopt new frames, calibers, styles every few years… Of course the old beretta in tan would sooner be selected.

    I REALLY wonder why they didn’t select the Storm platform!?

    • Zachary marrs

      It’s the military.

      If they had their way, we’d still be flying tri-planes

      • Wetcoaster

        And possibly carrying cap-and-ball revolvers

      • Don Ward

        Pshhhh. You and your fancy German tri-planes! Real Americans only need bi-planes. Go back to the Kaiser, Herr Marrs!

        • Zachary marrs

          Lol fixed it.

          Buuutttt

          If you want to go back that far, some of my ancestors DID speak German

          • Don Ward

            Army shoulda went with the .45 ACP Luger!!!

    • LCON

      IF the MHS still goes ahead then they might hedge their bet and offer storm. one of the complaints was the Open slide

      • TCBA_Joe

        It can be a complaint, but if Beretta wants to roll the dice in it passing the testing (which I’m sure they’ve already done in house) then if it passes the testing for the Army it passes. With the way the M9 seals against the bbl when it’s closed I’ve never thought it was too big an issue.

        • Joshua

          I have never had issues with the open barrel design either…..well aside from it melting things to it after a heavy days use, but that is a totally different story.

  • Joshua

    Yep, by submitting both an ECP and and a competitor, Beretta has guaranteed they will win,

  • Are the sights tall enough for suppressor use?

  • Blake

    It remains to be seen whether answering “almost all of the Services’ enhanced handgun requirements” will cut the proverbial yellow hot dog sauce…

    At least they put the apostrophe in the right place &ltgrin&gt

  • Cheese_McQueen

    Hahahahahaha.

  • Nicks87

    How about replace all the M4s with M1 Garands, ya know, because it has more stoppin power and it’s a real man’s gun!

    • LCON

      Springfield 1870.

    • Joshua

      Just issue everyone a ma deuce, problem solved.

    • n0truscotsman

      Bring back the M14!

      (yes, I have used this sarcastic remark before)

  • It just looks like a duracoated version of the old 92. how is this supposed to be an improvement worth buying

    • TCBA_Joe

      Vertec grip (smaller and scalable), removable sights, the safety is convertable, and other undisclosed internal differences. The color is only a small part of it.

      • Joshua

        Whats with all the brown love? We spray painted ours, but we won’t be fighting in a desert forever.

        • TCBA_Joe

          Theres not really an environment where black is better than tan, especially when you add the problem of enemy with night vision.

  • Dr. Daniel Jackson

    Unless this new beretta is .45 I see no difference with the standard 92 series.

    • Joshua

      Not a huge difference, thinner grip, change in materials, the picatinny rail, and new parts to the ones that break the most.

      The Army was never going to go full .45, it just won’t work. So a ECP from the M9 to the M9A3 that fixes every issue with the M9 is the best choice.

      • Dr. Daniel Jackson

        Well the military is trying to get out of 9mm,so beretta is going to lose this one then.

        • Joshua

          The 9mm was never going anywhere and the modular handgun idea was stupid.

          • Dr. Daniel Jackson

            It should go away, 9mm is too weak of a round for anything other than submachine guns for military use,.45 as a military handgun round makes far more sense.

          • kyphe

            No handgun makes much sense on the modern battlefield which is why many military’s don’t bother to issue them to the bulk of their fighting men.

          • Seburo

            Yeah hand guns are already outdated in the age of body armor.
            But our short sighted military not to invest in the home grown PDW projects.

          • Cheese_McQueen

            Lolololololol.

          • hod0r

            The US Army disagrees, based on combat experience. Read “Wound Ballistics” by the Army Medical Department, near the end of chapter 2. Full text is available online.

          • Dr. Daniel Jackson

            Well having served I disagree with the army.

          • hod0r

            You have shot how many people with each to come to your conclusion?

          • Dr. Daniel Jackson

            I’ve shot three people in the service with my sidearm,9mm jmj is not a good man stopper,however with modern hollowpoints it is a pretty good performer,we don’t get any kind of expanding rounds in the army so a larger fmj would be better.5.56 fmj<7.62×51 fmj,9mm fmj<.45 acp fmj.

          • hod0r

            Pistol bullets aren’t death rays, had you shot anyone in the same place with .45 the effect would have been the same. The many people who have professionally studied wound ballistics for decades have come to that conclusion, based on much more than three incidents with no comparison.

          • Dr. Daniel Jackson

            How many shootings have these ballistics scientists been in?I’m guess ing it is a nice round number.If caliber didn’t matter the .45 acp fmj wouldn’t have gotten its reputation of being a great man stopper during WWII,now if it was used on drugged up thugs in the street then yes of course the size wouldn’t matter as much as placement.

          • hod0r

            Data, systematic review and experimentation trump anecdotes, hearsay and conjecture every time.

          • Don Ward

            Psssshhh. Puny .45 ACP. It’s well past time militaries switched over to a high velocity round with actual stopping power. It’s time to go .357 Magnum!

            Colt, restart those Python assembly lines!

          • Ed Gruberman

            If you want high velocity, 4.6 mm or 5.7 mm would be more like it. They will even defeat body armor, your Python won’t…

          • n0truscotsman

            Why? How is it “too weak”?
            It produces similar energies as 9mm and has similar penetration values.

          • Dr. Daniel Jackson

            For one .45 acp is twice as large in fmj and when you are only limited to fmj you want the largest round you can get,a 230 grain .45 fmj is going to do more immediate damage to a threat where 124 grain 9mm fmj will do significantly less damage and have less chance of breaking or crushing bones on impact.These same reasons are why if you hunting grisly bears with a handgun you want to be using .44 magnum or larger.

  • Wetcoaster

    There’s also the “Your hands must be this big” feature of the double-stack Berettas. Idealy, you’d want something with interchangeable grip panels so that you can fit the guns to the user, but I can see that supply officers might try to veto that on account of the grip panels being more parts for them to keep track of/troops to lose.

    • TCBA_Joe

      Having adjustable grips is part of the known requirements for the MHS.

      This also looks like a Vertec frame, which is much smaller than the FS/M9 frame while still using the same mags.

  • Andrew Duffey

    Like i posted on another forum. There is one major problem with the design, it’s still a M9.

    • Cheese_McQueen

      Name one other handgun that will handle the abuse the military throws at it’s equipment and will remain serviceable for a decade for under $350.

      • Adam Skrzypczak

        Sig M11? Which technically beat the M9 in trials?

        • Anonymoose

          It was just the P226 back then, not the P228/M11 or P229/M11A1. Mags were too expensive for their liking. Then their cheapo M9 mags wore out and caused a bunch of failures in the early 2000s. From about 1988 on, lot of occupations (pilots, EOD, CID/OSI, and anybody else who needed a “concealable” handgun) were issued the M11 after the XM10 trials failed to get the DOD to switch to the regular P226.

          • Adam Skrzypczak

            P226 or M11, same difference. P226 could’ve done the job in the 1980s, cheaper and better than the M9.

          • Havok

            There actually is a difference. The M11 is based off the P228.

          • Adam Skrzypczak

            It’s a minor one if any. Like the difference between a Glock 17 or 19… same principle action and operation.

        • Cheese_McQueen

          Does it come in at under $350 cost to the Gov? Nope.

          • Adam Skrzypczak

            It would if they got the same quantity contract Beretta gets. Regardless, the future is polymer framed, which is why the M9 is going to get the boot.

          • Cheese_McQueen

            Sig couldn’t come close to the contract price offered by Beretta, regardless of quality ordered. As for poly handguns, I am not so sure that they would weather a decade of soldier abuse as well as the M9.

          • Adam Skrzypczak

            You buy a Sig P320 and you can toss out much of the worn polymer parts as wear items…

            As for the Sig price contract, it’s widely known Beretta finagled the numbers in order to come out ahead when they lost against the Sig head to head.

      • john huscio

        HK p2000. The border patrol pricing was $400 a pop for something like 30,000+ of them so pretty close in pricing

        • Cheese_McQueen

          I have owned several P2000 in both 9 and 40, they are not as good if a gun as the M9 for a military role.

  • Don Ward

    That Beretta is like dressing Sophia Loren up in olive drab. She doesn’t look as elegant but she still fills a man’s hands nicely and will do what you want her to do reliably, all night long.

  • Article summary appears to be wrong. Where did you see anything about this being entered into the modular handgun program? This is an ECP for the existing M9 program. It doesn’t seem to meet any of the requirements for the modular handgun program.

    • LCON

      thats the point Beretta is trying to cut PEO Soldier off at the pass by appealing to the bean counters. “You don’t need another calibre or all those feature. see we can improve the existing system so be a dear and cancel that MHS just keep giving us your tax dollars and will slide you a gulf trip.”

      • Giolli Joker

        On the need of the new caliber, they’d be damn right…

      • You (and the article author) seem unfamiliar with how federal contracting works. Primes submit ECPs all the time; they’re just a way to get more money out of a government program by offering up something better. The pot of money and the goal of the MHS program is completely different than the M9 program, and thus Beretta is not cutting anyone off at the pass with this ECP. They’re simply milking the M9 program for as much as they can, which is standard operating procedure for federal contractors. I am very certain Beretta will be submitting something else for the MHS program.

        My criticism of the article stands: this gun was not entered into that competition, and doesn’t actually have anything to do with it. TFB needs to actually read press releases rather than just making it up on the fly. (If they need a correspondent who can decipher federal contracting, by all means, I can help.)

        • Joshua

          IT’s smart, submit an ECP that overhauls the issued weapon while submitting something for the cominf competition just in case.

          But like I have said, I have a feeling the MHS will go no where(Jack of all trades, master of none), and in the end an improved M9 will be welcomed.

        • Hey I wrote the article. Apologies if TFB portrayed this pistol as being entered into the MHS program, We’re simply showing a post about what Beretta is changing to the M9, which does have to do with the MHS because if there were no MHS, there would also be no M9A3.

          • With all due respect, you didn’t “portray” it as being entered, you flat-out wrote that it was:
            “but Beretta is going ahead and picking out the name for their entry”

            Further, there would be an M9A3 without MHS, because the M9A3 is an attempt to make more money off the M9 program. Beretta was incentivized to create the M9A3 with or without MHS.

          • Havok

            “The resulting M9A3 we are offering to the DOD will likely cost less than the current M9 and answer almost all of the Services’ enhanced handgun requirements.”

            Beretta does enough to portray that themselves. While they do state that it is an ECP in the first paragraph. Final statement does give off the impression that this is their entry.

          • I would argue that if the military wasn’t looking for a new handgun then Beretta wouldn’t be offering a new one or even an enhancement. Companies don’t just put products out for the hell of it, there have to be concrete reasons to commit to something. Hmmm, I guess I got the gist wrong.

          • You can argue that all day, but that is _not how federal contracting works_. Beretta doesn’t care whether they want a new handgun or not – all they care about is that the M9 program was willing to pay development costs for their fancy new M9 variant. If the M9 program buys zero M9A3s, they’re still coming out ahead. Repeat after me: _Beretta made money developing the M9A3_.

            Further, Beretta is already talking about selling the commercial version of this gun. As we all know, “military” is a selling point, and therefore making this a “military” gun (even though it’s actually not thus far) is to Beretta’s advantage. If anything, I’d be more inclined to believe that Beretta was using the M9 contract vehicle as a marketing tool for their commercial “M9A3” sales.

          • (I’ve been in the federal contracting business in DC for about a decade, FYI.)

  • whskee

    Wow. Way to go Beretta, channel your Colt response to the criticisms. I wonder if they circle-jerked right after they made this announcement in celebration of their sure to be won competition.

  • Alex Nicolin

    The locking block design is inherently weaker than a tilting or rotating barrel. As I said before, the best option to enhance the effectiveness of the 9 mm is to go for higher pressure loads, 40 KPSI or even higher, and load light bullets with steel core having AP capability. Loaded with lead core 115-125 gn bullets the 9 mm is at least as effective as the .40 S&W and .45 ACP

    • Well, this is only viable if the combatants are in soft kevlar, as even the hot +p+ steel core Russian ammo won’t pierce rifle plates.

      If they actually want a caliber that will be viable in the next decades against modern militaries, the only existing option is the 6.5 CBJ. With it’s saboted tungsten projectile it can defeat level IV armor, as well as the armor found on Russian armored personel carriers. This could be used in the M9 with just a barrel swap.

  • Phillip Cooper

    Did Beretta even bother reading the specs for the new platform? They’re looking for a “Modular” Handgun System…

    • Joshua

      Did you even read the preas release, this is an ECP under the M9 contract

  • d_grey

    Where’s the Beretta m9a2 then? Did they suddenly jump from m9a1?

  • ozzallos .

    So they gave it the M45A1 treatment. Yay?

  • john huscio

    Beretta’s answer? “Let’s FDE/desert tan it and call it good”……

  • Ed a question do you own or shot a SIG extensively? I don’t understand how anyone can call any SIG gun crap.
    Very good weapons—-

  • TCBA_Joe

    They haven’t explained the internal changes yet. I would imagine that they redesigned the locking system for increased strength.

  • TCBA_Joe

    There’s more to this than a rail.

  • inquisitorthreefive

    Having been around a Louie or three in my time I can wholeheartedly say “SWEET ZOMBIE JESUS, DO NOT GIVE THEM MACHINE PISTOLS.”

  • Don Ward

    Explain. It is out of the way and well forward of where you’d grip the slide while racking it. I hope you don’t do the silly and idiotic power rack technique?

    • inquisitorthreefive

      I never had any problem with this on the Beretta, but I can see how it might happen. As for racking your slide in an idiotic manner, I would say that if you need to rack the slide while you’re busy being shot at you rack it whatever way works at the time.

  • Don Ward

    So reading and participating in the comments above/below comment, most of the Beretta’s detractors are coming from men who are part of the .45 ACP cult who have small “hands” and can’t reach the… “safety”.

    • Zebra Dun

      Profound observation!

  • Don Ward

    Why would it need a 1911 thumb safety of all things?

    • Zebra Dun

      The same reason they thought the M1911 needed a grip safety, the cavalry stated in needed one.
      In case the hoss started bucking!

  • +1 fanboys are funny.

  • Yes and I have banned several over the last week or so for that very thing. Normally people are warned prior so everyone has a chance to get a grip on the anger.

  • Mazryonh

    Speaking of possible candidates for the MHS program, will the staff here be reviewing the Sig P220 chambered in 10mm Auto when it’s released? I wonder how well that would stand up in the MHS competition.

  • Zebra Dun

    This is a far cry from the original Beretta M-51.
    As I thought, the new Army Pistol will most likely be a Beretta platform and in 9 mm or 5.7 mm.

  • Zebra Dun

    Yes, this is the caliber most likely. The 9 x 19 mm Lugar/Parabellum.
    The military will stick with this round because of the number of 9 x 19 mm rounds in inventory and the wide spread training, maintenance equipment, aids and devices made for it.
    Not because it’s best, has better stopping power or is preferred by the military but because it is already in the logistics base.
    The new military pistol will not be a .40 S&W, .45 ACP, or 10 mm.
    It may get an upgrade to 5.7 mm but at this point I doubt that.
    The Beretta will be the new pistol for the same reasons.
    Logistics.
    “Logistics is the ball and chain of modern warfare”

  • Zebra Dun

    The old saw about, once you have resorted to slander, slights and name calling, you have lost the argument and the direction of the debate rings true.
    This isn’t SNL weekend update Jane after all is it?

  • Zebra Dun

    I’d rather have a Smith and Wesson M-686 .357 magnum BUT……
    Logistics says otherwise.
    I’m betting this is the new handgun route the DoD will go.