Kyle Lamb: Glock vs. M&P

Kyle Lamb dishes his thoughts on the polymer-pistol debate: Glock vs. M&P. He has detailed observations from years of shooting and running classes. However, the video seems rather self-serving as Kyle has a vested interest in the VTAC version of the M&P.That said, there are VTAC sights available for the Glock platform…

Solid thinking or paid spokesman?

Nathan S

One of TFB’s resident Jarheads, Nathan now works within the firearms industry. A consecutive Marine rifle and pistol expert, he enjoys local 3-gun, NFA, gunsmithing, MSR’s, & high-speed gear. Nathan has traveled to over 30 countries working with US DoD & foreign MoDs.

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


  • Patrick Karmel Shamsuddoha

    OMG white box Ad please stop

    • SP mclaughlin
      • Patrick Karmel Shamsuddoha

        Yes that one

    • No

      Seriously. I run websites that are monetized with ads, but I don’t run crap like that precisely because they are so intrusive and annoying. No ad campaign is worth alienating your readers. This has been a source of constant annoyance for me for days now.

      • Patrick Karmel Shamsuddoha

        I agree wholeheartedly I build websites and this sucks I’m just so glad that you can get around it if you’re on the mobile page because the pop-up doesn’t work on iOS

        • Beeblebrox

          Yes, it does. It’s been bugging me on my iPad for a few days now. Some seriously annoying shit.

          • Kevin Harron

            Agreed. Very annoying.

          • Guys what I want to know is how many times have you gotten this ad. Once should be it.

          • Rusty Shackleford

            For me, it is EVERY damn article I click on.

          • Ok thanks—-

          • Patrick Karmel Shamsuddoha

            That’s unfortunate, its not showing up on my phone thankfully

    • Aono

      Yes, also the super ghetto and spammy embedded “random word links.” Seriously, stop this.

    • Nicks87

      This is like the third article where people are complaining about the ads. STFU or go find a different blog to read. I would like to discuss firearms not bitch about how someone else runs their website.

    • supergun

      Just like radio. Every 5 minutes.

  • SD3

    Anti-Glock bias? Have that man removed from my sight.

    • Gregory

      He’s clearly anti-Glock.

      It’s not like he owns two Glocks himself, and sells a line of combat sights for Glocks.

      • Laserbait

        I own a couple of glocks too, and that how I know I don’t care for them. 😀

  • TCWriter

    Infomercial. You can bag on Glocks all you want, but he’s “comparing” a pistol named after his company against the competitor. And (surprise!), the VTAC won.

    This is my surprised look.

  • I agree on one thing an aftermarket barrel is a good idea with the M&P. I do like the M&P better than a Glock.

  • Drew

    So why do Glock fanboys act like the world has stopped when someone shares a different opinion than their own?

    • You got me—each to their own:-)

    • Nicks87

      Replace “glock” with 1911 and your statement will be even more accurate.

      • Nicks you know I don’t get the least bit aggravated when somebody says they don’t like 1911’s.
        Heck you’ve been giving me hell when I write a 1911 article for almost two years at least. I honestly get a kick out the comments.
        Hey I own a Glock by the way—LOL!

        • Nicks87

          YOU own a Glock! I’m shocked… but you are a former LEO so I guess it does make sense.

          • Heck ya why not I like all kinds of guns. I have an M&P Pro as well. I like both of them.
            I still carry my Remington Carry 1911 for protection. Before you take off on me I shoot it better, faster and more accurately than any other pistol and that’s what counts.

          • Yep issued a Glock 17 gen 1 in 1988. I did have to have a second one issued. The first one went full auto on me. Glock had a recall on that problem back then.

  • Joshua

    he was actually a lot fairer to the glock than I would have been, I think that was a decent comparison, and the glock did better than I expected it too

    • Joshua

      sorry, better way of saying it, the glock got more points than I think it desrves

  • Vauxhaul

    He does make an interesting point which I have no way of checking out, in regard to Glocks that the 40 S&W is less reliable. For me I own a G17gen4 and M&P9, prefer the G17 due to the trigger. All else being equal they are both great and I would feel comfortable with either one in a self defense situation.

    • gggplaya

      get the apex trigger kit for ur m&p, you’ll change your mind. They did update the stock m&p trigger as well, depending on when u bought it.

    • I’ve heard that fairly often but I have a Glock 23 and haven’t had any problems. The model 22 may be another story???

  • John Wayne Fricke

    The only question is how many free M&Ps did S&W give to their new shill?

    • Come on that word is getting way to easy to jump on. The company he works for makes sights for Glocks also. There’s no upside for him on either pistol.

    • n0truscotsman

      can we stop making false accusations of “shilling”?

      The term has a perfect application, although, like anything else, crying wolf long enough causes it to lose its meaning.

  • n0truscotsman

    get both.

  • big daddy

    The Glock is a great gun without doubt. For a lot of people it is ergonomically a disaster, for others they just do not shoot it as well as other guns. I prefer the S&W M&P, it fits my hand better. In fact it seems like it was designed by people who had more experience with the M1911 and took that feel and melded it with a Glock. I like the interchangeable backstraps of the M&P as well as the angle of the grip. Also the grip toward the bottom seems to have a certain feel that the Glock just does not have. You can see all the influences the M&P has from other guns, they tried to take the best of them all without making a complete disaster of a frankengun. Anybody that says this one or that one is better certainly has some type of agenda. Some people like the Baretta 92 or M9, so it goes the truth is that any gun that is reliable and you shoot well is the best gun.

    • Nicks87

      Seems to me the MP is just an updated glock. I still prefer Glocks but I like the MP too. I have big hands so the grip doesn’t bother me and I think glocks have better triggers as well.

      • I just have trouble with the grip angle of the Glock. I tend to draw and find I’m pointing way high. The grip of the M&P fits me very well.
        I’ll say this I can take my Glock 23 and ding 8 inch steel plates at 100 yards without much problem. I can hit about as often with the M&P but it’s a Pro with that long sight radius and Apex parts.

        • big daddy

          I can’t even see anything at 100 yards without a scope. I’m getting OLD. True I think Glock does have a better trigger. Although the newer M&Ps are better than older ones. I’m not that great a shooter and I have arthritis in my hands, so I need as much help as possible especially with ergonomics.

          • I do understand I’m getting there myself:-)

          • The newer ones are better. The Pro I have have gets a little love from the performance center and a match barrel which makes a difference when compared to a standard barrel.

          • big daddy

            I’m still not at the place as a shooter I would benefit from upgrades. But I am getting there and will have my M&Ps worked on. I have a .380 bodyguard that was horrible. I had a Galloway kit put in and it actually was better with the kit and the original trigger. There’s a lot of travel but it breaks crisp now. It’s a defensive handgun and not meant to have a competition type trigger but originally to me it was almost un-shootable. Now I have confidence I can hit something with it. I will agree the M&P triggers are not as good as the Glock but I just hate Glocks. I do love the M1911 and to me the M&P are very similar in some ways as the Glock is nothing like it at all. Apex upgrades are coming for my M&Ps, possibly an upgraded barrel for the 9mm. I still do not have a M1911, the question is do I really want to spend a grand for a good one or be happy with a Rock island one and upgrade it? Right now my eyes are on an ACE pistol in 7.62×39.

  • WTF

    When can I get my Gen 5? What a F***’n Dumb A**. And what the hell is shootability? Really a day and half to learn an MP. I own an MP9 and I shot stacked holes with a Gen 3 G22 first try. The Glock by far has a better track record, accuracy, reliability etch, and I own both both a MP9FS and G17.

    The only win I would give to the MP is egro, the grip and palm swells are great.

  • Anonymoose

    The right answer is P320.

  • Patrick Mingle

    I’ll stick with my VP9 🙂

  • justme

    Don’t like the glock hump/angle and think their fit and finish should be better for the pricepoint. Don’t like the m&p trigger. Both are good, but overall prefer the M&P to the glawk. So I bought a XD and a XDm. Ended up selling the XD for a CZ and put a trigger in the XDm anyways. LOL

    Truth be told we split hairs over preferences. Buy what you want. Unless it’s an H&K VP9. Then just get a Walther PPQ. giggity 😛

  • Rich Guy

    This question can be solved with one answer…


    Grip? Beats both.

    Accuracy? Beats both.

    Fit? Beats both.

    Reliability? Equal.

    Point-ability? Beats both.

    Light mount? Beats both. By FAR.

    The only two spots where I can see issue is:

    Magazines. CZ mags are well made, all steel. However, I do think glock mags are more durable. Not saying the CZ’s are tin foil, just that Glock mags are pretty much THE 9mm mag.

    Not a really good .45 version…. Abject defeat here..


    • nagurski

      I have a CZ75 PCR
      Cons: it has no light rail and holsters are hard to find.
      Pros: Reliable, accurate, good DA trigger, awesome SA trigger, ergonomic, the trigger and sights are actually made out of metal, comfortable grip, recoil is imperceptible, natural point-ability, and most importantly, it is stylish as fuck.

      • john huscio

        Lack of a rail is a pro for carryability

    • AK™

      Out of all of these guns,I would take a 1911 or a HK.

      I have a S&W SD9VE that works just fine. I plan on getting another 1911. I was an idiot and sold mine right after the mass shooting in CT,because I couldn’t find ammo and I wanted to go target practicing. I ended up with a Remington 870 in 12 ga.

    • supergun

      CZs are very nice pistols. They use the CZs in movies because they are so reliable. But I love my M&P 357 Sig with the 40 cal. barrel. Very, very nice gun.

    • Dan

      i wish CZ would make a true subcompact to compete with the m&p shield. i love my CZ P-01 but i wish it were thinner.

      • Rich Guy

        They make the Rami, it’s pretty dang small.

        • Dan

          It’s small in the wrong dimensions. It needs to be thin, and it isn’t.

  • Canadian Vet

    Crucify me all you want: I can’t stand Glocks.

    Don’t get me wrong, they are reliable and effective firearms and there is absolutely nothing wrong with them from an objective standpoint but I just don’t like them.

    First, the grip feels like I’m trying to hold onto a piece of lumber for the earlier generations, and the new ones feel like a piece of lumber that’s trying to shove my fingers places they don’t want to go. I just never liked finger grooves, something about a manufacturer telling me where my fingers go; sorry, my hands aren’t your designers’ hands and my fingers will go wherever the hell they need to be to give me a good grip, which is nowhere near where you think they need to be.

    Second, it is related to the grip. The combination of weight (or lack thereof), the balance and grip angle all come together to create a gun that just doesn’t feel right in my hands. I can’t describe it, but the feeling is just wrong. And when I fire, the recoil impulse just doesn’t agree with me.

    And then, there’s the safe-action component. I simply don’t like it. With my SA/DA pistols, in the rare occasion a round doesn’t go off the first time I pull the trigger, my first reaction is to pull the trigger again and more often than not, I’m back in business. With my SA guns, I just thumb the hammer back and off I go. Even with factory ammo I sometimes encounter a stubborn primer once in a while.

    So yeah, my dislike for Glocks is just a personal thing. Unlike some fanboy who must have even about an inch away from shooting me when I told him I didn’t like his pistols of choice, I don’t begrudge anyone their preference. Me? I like Sigs; even more, I like the P225 even if it’s long discontinued and is a weird sized single-stack 9mm.

    So long story short, firearm preferences are an immensely personal thing not unlike preferences in choices of underwear or footwear. All one can do is express their personal preferences and run with it. In fact, I would have thought the firearms community more open-minded in that regard, especially since even for us here in Canada, gun ownership is equated by many as a sign of freedom, and as such are free to like or dislike any firearm equally.

  • MountainKelly

    CZ. Bam.

  • john huscio

    Not a glock fan. A g19 was the first pistol I ever bought and I could never shoot well with it….glock grip angle was and remains janky for me……bought a p226 in 9mm and was able to shoot holes in holes all day everyday…..I’m in the market for a carry gun and needless to say it won’t be a glock….with that said, I’m not a fan of the full size m&ps either……the only thing they have on glock is ergonomics……I did like the m&p9c, but even then there are probably better options if your willing to shell out the cash……