Troy PAR Video Review

Troy PAR

Nutnfancy takes a close look at the Troy PAR (Pump Action Rifle)

 

As an Ex-NY resident, I find this firearm to be exciting. If I was still living n NY, I would buy this. Now that I am outside of the wire, I think it is a great design and may look more closely at it. Who wouldn’t want this, even as a range toy?



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • Zachary marrs

    Is nutn the ony youtuber who has reviewed this?

  • sianmink

    Only 45 minutes? Nutn needs to pad these out a little more or it will start to hurt his rep.

    • SP mclaughlin

      *Nutnshort

      I wonder if the PAR could be made slam-firable.

      • dan citizen

        yes

        • Ken

          Definitely doable, but probably illegal.

          Question 9. It’s illegal to use a full auto lower for a manually operated firearm, because it’s still the receiver of a full auto firearm. Likewise, I’d assume the ATF would take the same stance on using an unregistered RDIAS or lightning link in a pump action AR.

          http://imgur.com/a/vt2Qz

          • mike

            The PAR lower is non-compatable with a standard AR upper. I also do not know if the carrier will trip the sear.

          • dan citizen

            I wouldn’t do it at all, But if I was to do it, I would not do it by using a NFA lower, they’re pretty pricey right now, and if you had an NFA AR why would you want a slam fired pump?

            It could probably be done entirely in the upper. Leave the FCG stock, put a trigger on the pump, have an extension off whatever it uses for an op rod that would strike the firing pin on the last bit of forward travel. Or maybe ditch the hammer entirely and go with a striker that goes where the buffer was.

            It would be pricey, clunky, and would require a bunch of one off parts. Seems silly.

            I’m sure someone could do it better than my off the top of my head approach.

    • dan citizen

      …and here you see my tactical toothbrush.

      • I Duracoated it Flat Dark Earth. Maybe I shoulda masked the bristles.

    • zardoz711

      this.
      why would anyone willingly subject themselves to a nutnfancy video these days?

  • SD3

    Aren’t pump action rifles supposed to be inherently suck-tastic?

    • 1leggeddog

      My dad has a Remington 760, a pump-action 30-06 he got from my mom in the 70s and its awesome to shoot.

  • ValleyForge77

    Since you can’t hunt with semi-auto (or .223) in PA, I’d buy one if it were chambered in .308 (hint Hint Troy).

    • SentMKG

      Heck there are a ton of calibers I would think that could be awesome in this vein of gun design. I love a good pump action gun. If built right they are/could be solid, accurate, and easy to maintain rifles.

  • Adam aka eddie d.

    I’ve had my eye on this gun since I first saw the prototype.
    I find it a great piece of kit, especially in light of its accuracy,
    but seriously, they’ll have to figure something out
    with that stock or it’ll be a “strictly below 35 degrees North” gun…
    In most places with a moderate climate the cheek weld is going to be a cool experience. Literally.
    Imagine using this gun around 30 Fahrenheit for and hour or two.
    Probably some armchair machos are going to roll in like “hey man, don’t be a pussy”,
    but I wish anyone good luck wanting to use this stock in the winter.
    It’s a billet piece, they could drill and tap the top of the moving part
    for some simple screw adjustable plastic cheek risers for instance.

    Also, for some time .308 was listed in the description on their site alongside the 300 BLK as an upcoming option, if my memory serves me right.
    It disappeared a while ago. Was that a typo, or something for the future perhaps?
    Would be nice to get an editorial update on this in the post.

    • iksnilol

      Wrap paracord or cloth around the stock.

      Though I agree there should be an adjustable cheek-piece. I like doing the whole “iron-sights-and-scope-on-the-same-rifle” thing, don’t know how well it works on an AR.

    • Dan

      I will agree with the cold comment, opening day of deer season last year was negative 27, I have wised up and grow my face mask out for that reason alone. Metal or not -27 makes for a cold cheek

  • Taylor TX

    I would love to see a cutaway of this and how it vents the gas. I wonder how clean it runs compared to a piston and plain ol DI.

    Neat idea if the action is reliable. I can never make it through a full vid ha

    • LongBeach

      Do any pump action rifles vent gas? I always figured they were like bolt-action rifles in that all the gas was ‘vented’ out of the muzzle. (Serious question, no offense intended)

      • LongBeach

        Wait… I think I understand your question. Because it’s an AR-pattern rifle you’re asking about the gas system? My guess is that there isn’t one. No gas block, no gas tube, gases exit the muzzle.

    • mike

      Vents the gas? What gas bro it follows the bullet out. Hence PUMP ACTION

      • Taylor TX

        Im pretty sure now, that phrasing the question differently might have helped, I want to see some kind of cutaway of the action and what features it retains from the traditional AR. As a pump action firearm cannot be gas operated, I was more curious along the lines as to what is happening under the rail and inside, since I figured there was no gas block, gas tube etc.

        • Mike

          No gas port in the barrel at all… so an op-rod that travels back and is fixed to the pump and carrier. This isn’t a retrofit, it’s a ground up design utilizing some common parts.

    • Nick

      It’s simple. They just didn’t drill a gas port in the barrel, hence no venting.

  • An Interested Person

    I wonder if it would still be “pump action” if they used a standard buffer tube as a spring assist to return the bolt.

    That way the pump would only be to eject the spent casing, then the system would take care of the bolt return.

    • sianmink

      I recall hearing about that being used for restricted hunting, where you take a semi-auto rifle, open up the gas system, and it becomes a straight-pull assisted bolt action.

      • iksnilol

        Open up the gas system? Don’t you mean shut it off?

        • Ken

          Either way works. One way is to prevent gas from entering the gas system, such as by welding the gas port shut. The other way is to vent the gas out of the system so it does not cycle the action. The latter is how you make an M1 a straight pull for hunting.

          • iksnilol

            Cool, didn’t know that part about the M1. Less cool if you want to put on a suppressor though.

            I do know that straight pull guns are popular in the UK (they make the best charging handles there). There they simply don’t drill the gas port- Also they get some guns you guys don’t (brand new SVDs). Wonder if you could import them and then convert them to semi-auto?

            http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/firearms_svd.htm

          • Ken

            Maybe, maybe not. Firearms and parts may only be imported from Russia if they’re on the approved list. We have a voluntary restriction agreement with Russia. Russia agrees to restrict what it exports to us, and the ATF agrees to help them enforce it on our end. A few years ago, there were some Soviet AKM and AK-74 parts kits that came from Bulgaria. As I understand it, they were present in Bulgaria long enough to be considered “Bulgarian” and not Russian. I don’t know why the ATF does not apply the same to SVD’s that have been in another country for a while. If you go look at The AK Forum, a lot of guys talk about importing SVD’s like that. As far as I know, none have been able to.

  • dan citizen

    When do we get to see a slidefire video with this rifle?

  • john huscio

    After the dale monroe fiasco, I won’t touch anything troy makes.

  • David Sharpe

    Honestly, I think this is pretty cool. I’d buy it. I’d greatly prefer this over the Remington 7615.

  • Klaus

    Can’t wait to throw a can on this!

  • echelon

    I admire the innovation, but I still see this as something that just gives credence to gun grabbers’ unconstitutional laws…

    In my opinion the money spent on the R&D, marketing, etc. of this gun could’ve been used to actually just get the “laws” done away with. Best use of the money? Troy could give away a bunch of their semi auto DI guns to any citizen in NY who wants one. Then tell the gov. Come and take ’em.

    When companies do things like this it just makes them complicit with the system, even if on the surface it looks like it’s a thumb in the eye of the politicians. In truth it is not. Don’t agree?

    Ask yourself this question: If the government has the power to ban full auto, suppressors, semi auto, big gulps, etc. why would they not have the power to ban any of these “we show ’em” designs that supposedly circumvent the law?