Chinese NSG-85 Sniper Rifle

Chinese NSG-85 Euosatory 2014

An evolution of the Type 85 rifle, the new Chinese NSG-85 appears to add some modern refinements to the Dragunov SVD platform.  The new rifle was shown at the 2014 Eurosatory exhibition in France last month.

The Chinese Type 85 rifle was a clone of the Soviet Union’s Dragunov SVD rifle.  Little is known about the new NSG-85.  It is chambered for the 7.62x54r cartridge and retains the same general look of the original rifle.  Iron sights have been deleted from the new gun and Picatinny-style rails have been added.

Thanks to Conal for the information and photo.



Richard Johnson

An advocate of gun proliferation zones, Richard is a long time shooter, former cop and internet entrepreneur. Among the many places he calls home is http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/.


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  • Mike N.

    It’s even got one of those fake Leupold Mk4s that we’re often warned about.

  • ColaBox

    Not often you see the Chinese use a foreign nations caliber.

    • Matrix3692

      The chinese adopted the 7.62×54mmR as one of their standardized calibers way back since the early days, and remain so until today. The same with the 7.62×39mm and 7.62×25mm cartridges.

    • Except for the part they’re doing this since the 1950s. (Norinco AK, TT and SVD clones, and so on)

    • Timothy G. Yan

      They used nothing but foreign calibers except for the three: 6.8x57mm/6.8x61mm Imperial, 7.62x17mm Type 64, and the 5.8x42mm DBP 87/95/10, DVP88. The Russian 7.62x54R have been in use since the 1920s and it became the general standard in the early 1950s.

      • ColaBox

        This is the first im hearing of it. Iv always known them to use the 5.8 and the 6.8’s.

        • FourString

          Heh I’m guessing you’re quite young or something? They’ve had AK-47’s (and before that, SKS’s) way longer than they’ve had the new 5.8mm’s. Those are relatively space age for them

      • Matrix3692

        You forgot the 5.8x21mm DAP92.

  • Burst

    If they begin importing them to Canada, there will be tears of envy.

    • 1leggeddog

      Looks too much like an AK (even if its not and no where NEAR the same thing) so its going to get prohibited for sure.

      • Wetcoaster

        Nothing about looking like an AK. The problem is that the SVD was for whatever reason classified as an AK variant by name when the AK was classed as prohibited among others (12.5 classification). An ass reason, but since it passed into law back in ’95, good luck getting it amended

        • 1leggeddog

          No you it wrong.

          In Canada, AKs simply look scary. Thus, are prohibited.

          THAT IS THE REASON FOR THEIR CURRENT STATUS.
          THAT IS THE ONLY REASON.

          A politician, who doesn’t know shit about firearms, 25 years ago, looked at this and said: “This is scary. Ban it”.

          And thus it was banned.

          Do not try to input logic from canadian authorities. You will find none. You have better luck finding intellingent life on a distant planet then trying to make sense of canadian gun laws.

  • Hagge

    No free floating barrel though. At least what I can see. My SVD has a solution for that with a bottom rail from the receiver that goes under the handguard. Works perfectly.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      It appears free floating to me. What do you think that trunnion forward of the receiver and fasteners are for. I mean, still piston obviously, but free-ish-float

    • iksnilol

      Like JINZ said, it has that big trunnion extending forward so I presume it is free-float(ish).

      Also, what kind of groups are you getting with quality ammo?

      • Hagge

        1 moa with handloads. Sweet if it is free floating.
        Here is mine: https://www.flickr.com/photos/85609272@N02/13239743974/in/set-72157631207273134/

        • iksnilol

          Looks nice but are you sure it is working properly? I mean a Russian gun shooting MOA? That is impossibru according to some people I have talked to.

          Jokes aside it does look nice, I intend on getting one in the future. The Tigr version in .308, change the stock, free float the barrel (or simply not put pressure on handguard) and maybe just maybe switch out the barrel for a match barrel (thinking Walther Lothar, aluminum wrapped to save weight while being thick). Just have to be patient.

  • Zachary marrs

    Dont lick it…

    Get your mind out of the gutter, its a lead poisoning joke

  • Ar10isbetter

    Any indiscretion about his weight, price or submoa potential?

  • Matrix3692

    wait, this is the same rifle marked as “CS/LR19 sniper rifle” that makes its debut in the 2014 police equipment expo in Beiing.
    so, they just change it’s name?

  • JumpIf NotZero

    “Sniper Rifle”

    No. I’m going to disagree with that. No on that safety, no on that long stroke gas system, no on that optic height over bore, no on what looks like it has to be a horribly long trigger, pretty much doubtful on that long and relatively thin barrel profile with an especially violent piston system.

    I’m seeing about zero “sniper rifle” here. Seeing a long of designated marksman or maybe counter-sniper rifle, but hey… It has pic rails… such modern!

    • Considering the Chinese military probably takes a lot from Soviet doctrine, yes, this is a “sniper rifle”… according to them. The SVD is a sniper rifle for the Russians, but what constitutes a “sniper” is not the same depending on who you ask.

      You’re seeing zero “sniper rifle” because you’re looking at this with the eyes of a Westerner, who is used to snipers using specialized platforms, are usually stationary, and who work on their own (with a spotter, naturally).

      Snipers according to Soviet military doctrine, are part of the squad. This is indeed, closer from what the West might call a designated marksman. But in the East, there is no real difference between a DMR and a sniper rifle. Since the Chinese use SVD derivatives, and have used AKs as the primary infantry rifle before switching to the QBZ, it’s safe to say they have a similar doctrine.

      Naturally, if someone better well-versed than I am in Chinese military tactics can come and confirm or contradict what I’m saying, it would be most welcome!

      • JumpIf NotZero

        I understand what you are saying about you think there is no dedicated role of sniper/spotter for the Chinese, but…

        “But in the East, there is no real difference between a DMR and a sniper rifle.”

        Nope. If it walks like a duck and all. It’s not something different just because it’s called something different, or someone uses it differently. The above is not in anyway what would be commonly considered a sniper rifle.

        The media would surely call it a sniper rifle, and they would do the same thing if they see an AR-15 with a scope, that doesn’t make it so.

        • I don’t know, it’s much like the difference between a “machine pistol” and a “submachine gun” to me – in many languages, primarily european ones, there is no difference between the two – the term is almost always literally translated as “machine pistol”. Pistolet-mitrailleur, maschinenpistole, pistolyet-pulyemet, you get it.

          Ultimately it doesn’t change the rifle itself. Doctrine and terms used are only variables on -how- a weapon is used. Calling it a sniper rifle -in the context of Eastern doctrine- is not incorrect. But yes, it would be, in a Western context.

          What it -is-, across languages and doctrines, is a semi-automatic
          precision rifle. There, everyone should be happy that way. 😛

        • FourString

          I mean, a guy with an AK peering down iron sights can be a sniper if he’s taking up the role (a-la-Full Metal Jacket). You don’t need a particular weapon to be identified as a sniper. Not sure how applicable that is to what you’re saying but some food for thought.

        • Zugunder

          “The above is not in anyway what would be commonly considered a sniper rifle.”

          Wrong, the above could have been commonly considered sniper rifle back in soviet union. SVD even have words “snayperskaya vintovka” (sniper rifle) in its name.

      • Matrix3692

        The Chinese ditch the AK(Type 56) when they made a better gun: the Type 81 rifle. The Type 81 is short-stroke piston, have a last round bolt hold open function, and more accurate.

    • Steve Truffer

      The SVD is short stroke. Mechanically, its a VZ58, with the controls of an AK. The barrel profile is less of an issue, again, since its short stroke. The gun was made before we had terms like “Counter-sniper” and “Designated Marksman”, both of which would be more fitting. That said, I still want one.

      Indeed, rails don’t make a gun any more modern than larger tires make a car suited to off-roading.

    • iksnilol

      It’s a short piston. The ones I have seen (SVDs) are pretty accurate (1 MOA with good ammo). IMO the only improvement that is necessary for the Dragunov is a free floated barrel and maybe a match barrel.

      Sniper rifle might be for some people a rifle intended for 1000 meters and farther, but for most people it’s different. If it has a scope and is used at a farther difference than normal rifles then it is a sniper rifle. This is not according to me but according to most languages. English is the only language to make that distinction (IIRC). Personally I find the distinction pointless since both are intended for the same thing – hitting targets at long ranges. Most DM rifles can be used at a kilometer (if chambered for .308 and the like). Sure, don’t expect headshots but torso shots are usually viable.

      • dan citizen

        Well put. There is a lot of talk about 1,000 yard shots that are not so common as people think. A good friend described comparing actual measured distance versus reported distance and said the bulk of 800 yard shots were really more like 400.

        In my personal combat experience if it didn’t have a scope on it the weapon was mostly fired blindly and the occasional aimed 50 yard shot became exaggerated to “200 yards with iron sights” within the hour.

        This all depends way too much on the environment. In Bosnia snipers operated at relatively close ranges, which would normally be considered the domain of foot soldiers, except that if infantry poked their head out long enough to take that precise 200 yard shot some guy with an M76 would make short work of them from a similar range.

      • tom

        What kind of ammo do you get one MOA out of it with? I’ve never been able to get closer than 1.3 or so from one even with new sniper ammo ( and a new High end svd at that). Lapua or Norma maybe? I do like them and they run like a raped ape but I find a good AR10 to be well ahead of it for a number of reasons including accuracy, ergos, height over bore, recoil ect. I would buy one in heart beat to utilize cheap ammo though. Definitely a gun ahead of its time.

  • dan citizen

    is this a SVD or PSL derivative?

    • Steve Truffer

      Given that the type 85 is the base rifle, and the type 85 is an SVD derivative, I’d say its captive piston SVD goodness.

      • dan citizen

        Thanks for clearing that up. I was having a hard time figuring it’s lineage.

  • Ken

    Free floated handguard too it looks like.

  • Lance

    Otherwise cheap NC star attachments to a SVD clone.

  • hydepark

    So once the Saiga 9mm comes out all I need is one of these to round out my collection. Any chance at all another SVD type will ever be imported here in the US?

    • Steve Truffer

      Only if its branded “saiga” or “vepr”

    • Ken

      This can be imported to the US if it’s made as a .410 shotgun.

  • kev

    totally unrelated and a bit off topic anyone know about this new chinese bolt action AMR NSG 50 in 50bmg?

    • Matrix3692

      It was deemed an experimental trial design, and that didn’t fare so well, so it was dropped, and other designs replaced it.

  • M

    Why is that when I was trying to read this article on my smart phone a NSA wireless network sign in screen (locked) popped up?