H&K G36 Rifle Not Faulty: Bad Ammunition Caused Poor Accuracy

MAN NATO Ball DM11

MAN NATO Ball DM11

The Bundeswehr investigated the claims that the H&K G36 was suffering from accuracy problems and found that the rifle was not at fault. The problem lay with one of their ammunition manufacturers who were supplying ammunition with copper jackets that were to thin. AllShooter.de has published an article and a statement issued by the Bundeswehr (auto-translated with Google) …

However, this was clearly refuted by extensive research by an independent expert, the Ernst-Mach-Institute of the Fraunhofer Society. Cause are rather individual munitions (lots) of a manufacturer. The in the Bundeswehr used for the G36 ammunition of caliber 5.56 mm x 45 DM11 is procured from different manufacturers. In the manufacture of the ammunition of the bullet jacket is plated. Through various manufacturing processes the manufacturer resulted in some cases a different tin thickness of the shell casing.

This tin thickness has an influence on the bullet trajectory in hot geschossener weapon and declared the meeting changed behavior. Nevertheless, even this ammunition is fully safe to handle. The rifle G36 is technically reliable and without flaws. It fully meets the requirements of current operations and the basic operation of the armed forces.

The DM11 is manufactured by MEN Metallwerk Elisenhuette GmbH. If you are shooting .223 Rem. or 5.56mm NATO rounds made by MEN, you would check the accuracy of it in case you also got a bad batch. I do not know if MEN sells ammunition locally to, or exports, for consumers.

Thanks to Felix for the tip.



Steve Johnson

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  • Zachary marrs

    I bet hk is relieved

    • Alex X.

      The G3 was a very good rifle a few generations ago. These days you have magnificent designs like the SCAR Mk.17 and Mk.20 to sling that 7.62 downrange.

      • Alex X

        I misread G36 as G3 for some reason…

        Funny thing though, because I’ve heard good reports and seen some german soldiers be very skilled with it. I have an SL8 myself and I think it’s a great rifle.

      • seans

        To call the MK17 magnificent is a pretty bold statement. Applying it to the MK20 is utter bullshit. The Scar family has huge quality control problems. Especially the MK20

      • 762soldier

        I agree that the FN SCAR is an excellent design. it has matured very well as ongoing development has ironed out various kinks. In many ways, the SCAR is a development of the G36. Which is not a criticism, but a complement. As the late, great Steve Jobs said great designers don’t just copy, they steal!

  • Lance

    Don’t matter G-36 sucks be better for Germany to go with HK 416.

    • iksnilol

      Is no difference, both use weak imperialist cartridge called 5.56. IMO they should have stuck with the G3.

      • LCON

        HK416 might get some German SF troops but its not going to be the German service rifle.
        Iks) one word. HK417.

        • Agitator

          The HK417 demonstrated unacceptable accuracy in Bundeswehr tests. Apparently the G28 DMR now being fielded is a development of the civilian-variant MR762, rather than the HK417.

          I report, you decide. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/10/27/hk417-did-not-pass-german-army-dmr-tests/

          • LCON

            Yes for a designated marksmen role, the accuracy they were demanding is higher then what they were getting from a Battle rifle. What they wanted was a DMR optimized platform that’s what G28 is. What they tested in HK417 is a battle rifle a weapon intended for “Good enough for standard issue”. Its like comparing a stock M14 to a National Match M14. Or a competition AR15 to a M4A1 the caliber of the weapon maybe the same as may be the method of operation. But the structure is different the match or competition piece is a hot rod. She’s built to print one holes.

    • Alex X.

      The G36 is the best of the previous generation of assault rifles (also includes L85, AR-15 platforms, etc) along with the AUG on the bullpup side. The 416 is a good AR-15, great even, but it’s still just an AR-15.

      Right now it’s all about the Tavor and the ARX-160 as far as the 5.56mm caliber goes.

      The same goes for the 417. It’s still just an AR, even if it’s a very high quality AR. It doesn’t even have something simple like a monolithic upper rail. I’d love to shoot and even own one, but it wouldn’t be my go-to battle rifle. Nice for on the range, like most high quality ARs. Very accurate on a bench.

      • JohnnyBGood

        The beretta is overrated. Tons of plastic and doesn’t manage to save any weight or cost. The Tavor could use a trim too to be honest, like the x95. The AR platform still has tons of life left in it.

      • 762soldier

        …”But it’s still just an AR-15.”

        Yes, but the AR-15 is one of the two most successful assault rifle designs of all time. If it ain’t broke, why fix it? The M4A1, let alone the HK416, is considerably better than the AUG Steyr, G36, Tavor and ARX-160.

      • TX_PNW

        so how come that the “superior” G36 isn’t adopted by special forces but the HK 416 (“just an AR”) is?? The Tavor has the size going for it. That’s about it. If you need a SBR with 16″ ballistics… it’s a great gun. That being said: not everybody likes the chamber to be right under their chin and breathing the fumes is no fun either…

    • n0truscotsman

      Actually that would be a great idea. I see the Bundeswehr doing this in the future since their KSK is already using it, alongside other NATO members. France probably will too.

      • TX_PNW

        yeah… because the Bundeswehr has infinite budget to go out and buy 100k+ HK416… sure

        • n0truscotsman

          They might not, but stranger things have happened. It wouldn’t be insurmountable by any means.

          Why do they need to buy 100K all of a sudden? they could phase the rapid reaction battalion and fallschirmjaeger units and then the others later. I can definitely see the G36 being gradually phased out over the next 10 years.

  • Uniform223

    I’ve read and heard stuff of the G36 prone to excessive overheating ( higher then most assault rifles ) for awhile now. I’ve also read this news piece not to long ago. I’m not going to say that the G36 is a piece of junk or it sucks but this “blame the ammunition” sounds like a cop out to me. This isn’t like the ammunition issued to mass issued M16s in the 60’s.

    • Alex X.

      Myths have a nasty habit to spread and stick.

    • n0truscotsman

      It is a cop out.

      The G36 is a okay rifle. But no amount of ammunition tech can overcome the inconvenient fact that polymer doesn’t handle heat as well as alloys, and will experience enough issues where it might affect POI.

  • scw

    What a joke. They are just repeating the same “findings” from the last report rather revisiting the issue. Good luck to those who actually use the rifle in the field.

  • To Tin Fung

    didn’t this happen the last time round?

  • Tactical Tightwad

    I’m surprised H&K didn’t blame the poor accuracy on limp-wristing.

    • Scw

      You are not holding it right. Wait the Apple may has a patent on that

  • bbmg

    dat hot geschossener weapon

    • CaptainSlaughterboard

      Sounds too germany for me.
      Call a DOKTOR plz.

    • iksnilol

      You know “geschossener” means “fired”? As in a bullet that was fired out of a gun (geschoss=bullet).

      • suchumski

        yes it means fired, geschoss is a projektile but the word schiessen
        means fire ore shoot and geschossen means fired.
        sorry for my english.

      • afdsffds

        Geschossener is either “fire-er” or absolutely not a word.

    • Clodboy

      The past participle form of German compound verbs can be a b****. In this case, “heißgeschossen” loosely translates to “fired to the point of overheating”

  • Rusty Shackleford

    This is my surprised face.

  • iHAL

    *too thin

    • Anonymous

      Zu dünn–maybe the same either way, but here it is “too thin.”

  • big daddy

    OK so you’re in combat and because you are in a war and with the amount of ammunition being made there is bound to be poor lots. So you want a reliable rifle that can shoot ammunition that might not be in exact spec. The AK47 shoots just about anything, the modern AR does pretty well too. So this gun needs ammo in exact spec, so you cannot use other countries ammo at all. That alone to me makes the G36 a questionable service rifle. What if the only ammo you can get at the time is some crappy 5.56mm NATO stuff made by who knows? Oh wait we have to stop the attack we don’t have any proper ammo for our G36 rifles. So hey guys please stop attacking us until we can get the proper ammo. From having some of the best weapons in WWII to some of the crappiest now.

    • Max

      Well, the problem isn’t that the rifle doesn’t shoot the ammunition, it’s just that it doesn’t shoot it accurately. I haven’t heard about any reliability issues inherent to the G-36, but for the fact that it’s a fairly advanced system (arguably better in many respects to the AK design) the rifle should be adequately accurate; an attribute it’s having trouble living up to.

    • iksnilol

      Any gun will have problems with a bad lot of ammo.

    • LCON

      BIG DADDY at least the German G36 NATO spec is NATO spec the French and the Brits have even more specialized rounds because there Bulls are finicky eaters.
      if you want to complain about specialized ammo rightly G36 is not your best case. Try the HK G11, Caseless ammo. Of course the truth is that unless your nation has been overrun or you have gone and stretched out your line so long the enemy is attacking your rear your not really going to need to depend on enemy ammo.

      • John Kelly

        The French might use steel cased cos the Famas is a brass chewer but as far as I know up the british armed forces have always used standard NATO brass

        • J.T.

          Brits use standard NATO ammo but their blanks are different.

          • Micki Mahoney

            UK forces use L2A2 ammo. It’s like SS109, but has a thicker jacket which prevents the round from fragmenting in flesh. (Due to a rather nervous interpretation of the Hague Accords, I believe.)

        • Geodkyt

          IIRC, British rounds had to be downloaded to the bottom of SS109 specs to work in the L85. . . which, by the way, uses the same basic “advanced” operating system as the G36. . .

          • LCON

            British rounds also experience issues when loaded in the M4 back in 2005 Including failure to Cycle and increased fouling of the weapon it fed trough. the Marines issued a memo on it. this might have been corrected.

            And As to the Operating system the Short stroke piston used in L85 is based on the Stoner AR18 design which is by far one of the most proven operating gas systems. It’s just a matter of the builder.

  • politicallyincorrectshooter

    And you can believe as much or as little of that as you wish. Rumblings I have heard are about “cover-up”. Recent information mentions a possibility that different lots of rifles used somewhat different polymers in their manufacture.

  • Swede

    In Sweden you can get surplus 7.62 manufactured by MEN. It’s the cheapest 7.62 on the market ($ 0.60/round).

    • AK™

      Now hear this,Cheap MEN in Sweden..

    • n0truscotsman

      That IS cheap 7.62. Nice. For brass cased!?

  • Andrew

    “The rifle G36 is […] without flaws.”

    As is our government, our beer, and our women.
    Signed,
    Germany

    • adsfds

      *Letter is stained with sweat, coffee, and shaky handwriting.* Seems honest.

    • Aaron E

      Also said, but not reported … “Sweet Jesus I hope the Russians aren’t reading this!”

  • Marc

    MEN was bought by CBC Brazil a few years ago.

  • guest

    There are typos and the google translation is really bad.

  • ColaBox

    That’s not surprising…
    “Hey HK there’s something wrong with your rifle-”
    “Nein! Perfection! It is der ammo!”
    Who else has been issued this “faulty” ammo?

    • Yellow Devil

      “Wunderbar!”

    • TX_PNW

      everytime anything HK related fails… it’s the ammo! the weapon itself is perfect.

    • Darkmm

      Maybe they just loaded it into the mag backwards or something……

  • dp

    Tin coating bullet jackets is bull. Never seen them tin-coated. This is most likely cover-up. But, apply your own logic = heat and plastic do not like each other. This is NOT to say that current technology cannot solve it: for instance the intermediate part may be advanced ceramic an so on, but it is always call for trouble.

  • Fred

    ‘I do not know if MEN sells ammunition locally to, or exports, for consumers.’ yes they most certainly do. MEN is part of CBC, the worlds largest ammo producer. They sell to the public under the names of S&B and Magtech.

    • Geodkyt

      Funny, I’ve never run into problems with S&B or Magtech ammo. . . but I HAVE read quite a few negative reports on the G36 from testing by countries OTHER than Germany.

  • Weaver

    You also have to understand that the standard g36 that the German army uses has a very thin barrel. So I can see why there is accuracy issue when in prolong engagements. Having shot an actual g36 I can tell you that’s it’s accurate, maybe not 1 moa accurate, but battle rifle accurate. This is a military rifle not a compention rifle. The dual optic suck also.

  • 762soldier

    There’s a lot of misinformation about what’s going on. From what I’ve heard from people in the industry who I rust there are two issues:

    1. The G36 is being used in a way that was never intended when the initial German MoD requirement was issued. In other words, excessively high volumes of automatic fire are causing barrel failure. To rectify the problem, a thicker barrel needs to be fitted as per the M4A1. Until such a solution is available, users simply need to adhere to the manufacturer’s recommended number of rounds that can be fired before the weapon must be allowed to cool. i appreciate that in an extended firefight, soldiers may not have the luxury of being able to stop firing to let their weapons cool down. If Bundeswehr units are suffering from a significant number of failures, this isn’t the manufacturer’s fault, but rather those who specified the number of rounds that needed to be continually fired before failure.

    2. The second issue is more serious. The polymer appears to be warping as the weapon is exposed to a variety of temperatures. This can cause a misalignment of sights resulting in soldiers not being able to hit the target. It isn’t known what thew cause of this is, although it has been suggested that H&K saved money by changing the composition of polymer. if they did this and without telling the German MoD, then H&K deserves everything that happens as a result. Personally, I don’t believe this. Whatever the problem, it can easily be rectified by switching the G36 to an aluminium, titanium or steel construction with the receiver, hand guard, butt and other furniture made of metal and with polymer coverings for the hand guards for protection.

    The G36 system is used in the HK416 and UK L85A2 and makes all three weapons highly reliable. Whatever becomes of the current G36, I am pretty sure its mechanism will be retained.

    • Dan-O

      Talk to any of the HK-USA reps at a side bar and they’ll confirm the pencil thin barrel is not designed for sustained fire, nor is the polymer composition used for the upper receiver an ideal material. I can live with the thin barrel, but HK better stop compromising with that plastic shit and release the civilian G36 with a metal based upper receiver!
      They may be able to cover the issue up from the Euro-trash military side of the house, but hell hath no fury like scorned American gun owners!

    • n0truscotsman

      You hit a home run there.

      That is why I call BS on “faulty ammunition”. The problem was replicated in the US where DM11 wasn’t fired.

      Personally, i dont believe the changing of the polymer’s composition is the problem either. That doesn’t change the inherent disadvantages of polymer, and that it is inferior for handling heat than any metal and will change its features (bad for maintaining POI).

      I suggested that HK change to an alloy receiver a long time ago. Like FN did with the proposed improvements to the SCAR, they just ignored me.

    • Geodkyt

      I’ll argue with “highly reliable” on the L85A2. . . {grin}

      Seriously, even with all the upgrades, it’s still an inferior rifle.

      • Joshua

        How dare you question the MoD’s claim of 35,000 rounds MRBS and over 100,000 rounds MBREFF.

        The MoD would never lie.

        • Colin

          “During an international test the L85A2 was proven to be the most reliable service rifle in the world, firing around 65000 rounds without a single problem, beating such weapons as the M16, Steyr AUG and G36 in reliability by a long way.”
          I believe it was a NATO run test (but I could be wrong). But if the MoD had told me, I would have laughted my arse off!

          • Joshua

            Pretty sure it was the MoD, but you could be right. Either way I still laughed my ass off, it’s either a lie or the L85 is the greatest small arm every invented.

        • n0truscotsman

          LOL is it the same UK MOD that still believes the F35 will induce cost savings for new generations of multi-purpose fighters?

          Bollocks I say.

          I do recall the MOD, however. Particularly their handling of Camp Bastion. But they have much more pressing issues to be concerned of! http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-25078544

      • 762soldier

        I agree, the L85 is a thoroughly inferior rifle, but at least it’s now reliable. H&K over-engineered it to ensure it would perform as required and the result is “the world’s heaviest assault rifle”.

        • geodkyt

          Well, that explains why Gurkas have no problem controlling them on full burn, huh? You hang enough weight on it, and Tweety Bird could do full auto mag dumps. . . LOL

    • Fegelein

      I know that this is a repost of what I said in http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/06/23/alleged-hk-g36-accuracy-problems/ — I feel that this post is again relevant.

      This is exactly why plastic rifles have never taken off. There is a large difference between having plastic accessories and furniture on a rifle, or having a plastic frame and slide on a handgun. and making critical components on a rifle out of plastic. The truth of the matter is that plastic does not take heat in the same way that metals such as steel and Aluminum do. As knows anyone who has ever made the mistake of using a cheap plastic spoon in checking pasta while it boils, plastic melts when it gets hot. The demands on rifle parts which are in contact with the hot aspects of operation, such as the bolt, chamber, extractor, barrel, piston, and gas tube, are extremely high, especially with regards to the heat. That is why even “plastic” handguns have metal operating parts.

      On to the G36… I have been aware of alleged issues for a few years now. I did some research into this issue some months back. I think it was in April. What I found was that these complaints about wandering zeroes and overheating are not new phenomena, but not much was said about them until around 2010, I think. Upon doing some additional research, I found that the overheating allegations were answered by what was in effect a bureaucratic extension of the Bundeswehr, and that no external source I could find had done any sort of testing to either validate or contradict their claims. However, the numbers of complaints I ended up finding, as well as the fact that they all had so many consistent core elements, seemed too weighty to dismiss.

      Now, the germans admitted that there are problems with the G36 and that the numbers massaged and that there as a coverup. It was quite a scandal. They admitted that, indeed, firing did impact accuracy at ranges of, IIRC, starting at about 200M, and that the guns were losing their accuracy due to overheating. They said that the maximum fire rate for the G36 should be 30RPM, or one shot every two seconds to avoid overheating, otherwise soldiers must take out time during fights to let their rifles cool. However, their actions after these admissions absolutely infuriated me.

      They fixed nothing. No adjustments to include a heat shield. No modification to add a burst fire feature or remove fully automatic fire. No heavier barrel. No barrel fluting. No design changes to facilitate either greater sturdiness or enhanced cooling. They instead changed the army rules so as to shift all blame for problems away from the weapons and onto the users. They originally claimed that the G36 could effectively engage targets out to 600M. Now they claim that it is meant for engagements of, IIRC, ~250M maximum, which they then claimed was approximately the greatest common engagement distance in Afghanistan. So if soldiers are shooting at enemies >200M away and missing, it’s their fault that they can’t hit anyone, because the rifle isn’t meant to engage out that far. They then said that soldiers should limit their fire to a maximum of a single thirty round magazine per minute, and that they should only fire at certain, visible targets in range. Keep in mind that modern military tactics depend upon being able to maximize firepower, especially when responding to an ambush as the soldiers often were when they fired on fully automatic and missed. So now soldiers have to make a choice between keeping their rifles function and putting out enough fire to not get murdered. This is absolutely despicable and unacceptable for any company or institution.

      The Bundeswehr also seems to be behaving as though the G36 is a flashier G3, given how they are proscribing that it be used and also when they described its capabilities in terms of range and power.

      H&K earned a lot of respect and clout for their stellar G3 and MP5 and USP. However, they cannot be given a free pass for this. They are knowingly equipping soldiers with a weapon they know to have severe design flaws which prevent it from being utilized in the way that its users need in order to complete their objectives and stay alive.

      So, in conclusion, the G36 has crucial, heat-sensitive parts made of plastic that melts whenever any sort of real demand is placed upon them, which makes getting any sort of precise performance out of them impossible except at the beginning of an engagement, neuters the firepower the G36 can project, and demands that weapons constantly be rezeroed. H&K and the Bundeswehr both know about this problem, but they prefer to ignore it, cover it up, and hope that people lose interest. They redefined what the G36 is capable of doing as well as what the proper methods for handling it are to be so conservative as to make it a virtual impossibility for any problems to occur if used within guidelines.. Therefore, if anyone has a problem with the G36, it is because they were using it improperly to do things it was not intended to do and it is all their fault.

      Summary:

      * The G36 melts and loses accuracy very easily.
      * Both B7K and the Bundeswehr know.
      * Neither of them care about fixing it.
      * They changed their lines rather than fix anything.
      * All problems are now the fault of users misusing the G36.

  • Phil Hsueh

    FYI, it’s “. . . too thin” not to.

  • ducky

    Please don’t use all4shooter (german platform) as reference. They lag miles behind.
    This story regarding different thickness of the tin coating of the projectiles is old.
    Just June 20 they published an article praising the new, futuristic etc. Remington R51, which is on hold and apparently can’t be “fixed” …

  • S O

    I’m too tired right now, but it might be worthwhile to compare the timeline for the problems with overheating weapons with the timeline of the reform of marksmanship training (stances, different ranges et cetera).
    I’ve left service before either, so I can’t tell how much this astonishing throughput of ammo through a mere rifle may have been driven by the ‘modernisation’ of training.

    Old-fashioned training during the G3 era was about ammo conservation, and fire discipline. The junior NCO was supposed to control the squad firepower (especially the MG3’s) then.
    No “mad minute” or similar.

  • n0truscotsman

    Denial. Its not just a river in Egypt.

    Then how do you explain the replication of the problem in some guns among members of US law enforcement agencies that used G36s? or my replication of the problem in Afghanistan firing a myriad of US-made ammunition through Bundeswehr G36s?

    “The rifle G36 is technically reliable and without flaws.”

    LOL…right…

    A steel trunnion mounted in a polymer receiver is destined to have issues with thermal expansion and heat dissipation. This is middle school science, after all. Why do you suppose HK was the first and last to have a polymer receiver around the trunnion? Why do you suppose no manufacturer has introduced this “innovative” feature among newer rifles? why do you suppose heat was even a bigger problem with the XM8? (which was characteristically a G36 copy).

    Thats not even getting into its horrible buttstock, mediocre stock optics, bulky design, inferior ergonomics, and proprietary magazines (which had NATO STANAG magazine wells introduced for a reason).

    “It fully meets the requirements of current operations and the basic operation of the armed forces”

    Which is why elite German units are using the 416….

    I have no tolerance for shill marketing and excuses by any defense manufacturer. I expect something like this from Colt or General Dynamics.

    • S O

      “Which is why elite German units are using the 416….”

      Rails. Standard Bw issue G36 have none.

      • TX_PNW

        yeah. and another reason why the G36 sucks. I guess who needs rails when you can mount an EoTech REALLY, REALLY high on the G36 handle….

    • Porty1119

      Am I the only person here who is flatly unimpressed by H&K? Ludicrous prices, suspect engineering, etc.

      • n0truscotsman

        I wouldn’t say that im necessarily “unimpressed” with HK, but with the mythology that goes behind their firearms, they leave much to be desired. The ones that impress me (and piss me off at the same time) are FN Herstal.

        Its really hypocrisy more than anything. Gun owners give Russia and former Warpact members shit for their AKs, but are strangely silent about HKs stamped receivers for their G3s and MP5s (and the G3 has its own laundry list of problems i could write a book about).

        Their newer designs (G36 and MG4/HK121) are just re-engineered/modernized versions of the AR18 and FN MAG respectively (and the FN MAG is an amalgamation of john brownings’ genius with gruner’s feed system). Its almost like HK is trying to fight FN for the GPMG market, nearly 50 years after the FN MAG and decades after the MG3.

        But yes, their prices. and the SL8 was a monstrous failure. Not to mention their elitist, pro-military industrial complex snubbing of civilian consumers.

        They do make awesome handguns. Very impressive. They also had a hayday with the MP5. Anything else? meh.

  • HKGuns

    Same crap different year. Is this going to be an annual event now?

  • MANG

    Clearly they need to cut the B.S. excuses. Solve this the only rational way – widely issue a 20 year old update on a 50 year old design for the next 15 years or so, when a corny caseless ammo “leap ahead” will *almost* be ready for prime time.

  • buzzman1

    Hey blaming the ammo is a cheap in comparison to buying new rifles or re-barreling them which is what needs to happen.

  • DW

    Anyone experienced PoI shifts on their SU16 after mag dumps? no? What says you H und K

  • TX_PNW

    “The rifle G36 is technically reliable and without flaws”

    suuuuuuure…. move on. nothing to see here. just a polymer upper which has metal parts embedded which transfer significant amount of heat into the polymer…. wonder why NO other manufacturer has adopted that ground-breaking polymer design into their rifles….

  • buzzman1

    Guess they decided to blame the ammo rather than fix the rifle. Cheaper. However they are probably using US ammo so the findings are false.

  • Ergo

    Halt! Hammerzeit!

  • Secundius

    Was this ammunition part of the ammunition destroyed back in April/May 2014 by the US. Government?

  • Fegelein

    I’m thinking of a word that starts with “tr” and ends with “ipe”.
    Of course it’s bad ammunition for the G36; it depends on exothermic chemical reactions to propel projectiles!
    So the eco/whatever bullets are a “bust”, but that wasn’t the problem. The G36 was fully compatible with all NATO standard 5.56x45mm ammunition, and anyone who’s played with guns for a bit knows that ammo choice makes a difference, but not THAT sort of difference at 200M, especially with FMJ. The problem was that the gun got too darn hot and turned into a wet plastic noodle with a wandering zero.

  • Fegelein

    I find it extremely disturbing that the G36 has accuracy INFERIOR to the AK-47. Yes, I mean the original.