H&K HK243 S SAR and S TAR Semi-Automatic G36 Rifle [LOT Of Exclusive PHOTOS]

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H&K their new HK243 at IWA ’14. The HK243 is a modern sport variant of the H&K G36 rifle and chambered in .223. There are two variants, the budget HK243 S SAR and the premium S TAR.

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The HK243 S SAR features the G36 gas system and ambidextrous charging handle. It has a side solder stock in the traditional G36 style. It has no forward rail and the sight picatinny rail is made of polymer. It take G36 magazines but a magazine conversion kit allows the use of HK416 magazines (it may allow other AR-15 magazines, but the H&K brochures do not mention this). It has a threaded barrel but no flash hider.

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The HK243 S TAR is the version gun nuts are going to be salivating over. It has all the features of the S SAR but also features a premium length and height adjustable folding stock. It has a slick aluminum quad rail and an aluminum optics rail with low profile folding sights built in. It comes from the factory with a flash hider. Interestingly, the TAR version components (rails, stock and flash hider) will be available as an upgrade kit for the SAR.

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Many thanks to Erik B www.RS6.com for the above photos. Photos below were kindly provided by another one of TFB’s European spies … 

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  • nester7929

    I bet the “budget” version will be 2 grand. I hope not, because I freaking love the G36.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Nathan S ” Staff Writer, TFB”

      I would suspect MSRP will be well into the $2500 range. My guess is that they will use the ACR as a benchmark.

      • Raven

        You mean the ACR that failed miserably and was widely considered to be massively overpriced? Smooth move there, H&K.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Nathan S ” Staff Writer, TFB”

          Hey now, don’t be thrashing my favorite overpriced rifle. Ha!

          If they actually get the different caliber kits up and running, it would be worth the price.

          I don’t think this will have conversions, so not sure if it will be worth the money. We will have to wait for the review!

          • nester7929

            For the price of the ACR it should include at least one caliber conversion.

      • Thorne

        At SHOT show they said the US price was targeting $2700 MSRP and would “definitely” be under 2K. I highly doubt this will come in higher than that.

        Why would they use a failure of a rifle as a benchmark? The ACR has sold like crap, due in large part to it’s price. They would be insane to think they can do the same thing and not be as big of a failure.

        • FourString

          Still cheaper than a Bostick conversion though

      • nester7929

        Oh God I hope not. I still get a little mad when I hear about the ACR. I wanted one so bad back when it was still the Masada. But then freaking Freedom Group had to get a hold of it and decide its price point should rival a SCAR instead of the AR platform.

        It wouldn’t have been such a kick to the nuts if we hadn’t been told it would be around $1200.

  • Mike

    Their website does say this about the magwell(s), so I would assume other AR-15 mags.
    http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/sport/products/rifles/hk243/hk243-s-sar/overview.html

    Optionally exchangeable magazine well cccording to NATO STANAG 4179 (draft) for use of HK416 magazines

  • pd

    I’d rather have the budget version that looks like a G36 than that ugly higher priced version.

    • Gwolf

      Me too.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Nathan S ” Staff Writer, TFB”

      Me three.

    • CF

      Meh, I’m not a purist.

    • Christoph Bücker

      Little known fact:
      The Stock of the premium version was used for IdZ*-Rifles…
      (*IdZ = Infanterist der Zukunft, Soldier of Future)

  • Gwolf

    All they really had to do to have a good seller for the US market was to release the “cheaper” model with a flash hider and aluminum optics rail instead of having two models.

    Chambering it in 5.56 would help too, unless it’s just marked like that for Europe or something. Course that might not be possible with German arms export restrictions. To do that might require that bits of it be made here. Dunno. But to do that you’d have to piss off a lot of German HK workers whose livelihoods are at stake. Sometimes the cards are stacked against HK in many ways.

    I’m waiting to see what develops with the re-release of the SP89. So to speak. If it can easily be turned into an MP5K with tax stamp for SBR it will be awesome. If they booger it up so that you’re stuck with it as is, pistol format, that will be another bungled sales opportunity.

    • Tuulos

      The European CIP specifications don’t contain 5.56 but they contain .223 which is the most likely reason for the chambering.

      • Steve_7

        No that’s not the reason, “5.56″ is a military calibre which causes problems with export licenses so they have started marking everything as .223 Remington. State Dept. has that rule so I assume the Germans do too, it was based on the UN protocol to do with small arms trafficking, but the UN protocol doesn’t explicitly say that. Just some stupid bureaucratic interpretation.

        • Marc

          http://www.cip-bobp.org/homologation/en/tdcc_public?page=5&cartridge_type_id=1
          There is no CIP standard called “5.56″. There is a CIP standard called “223 Rem.”, and it encompasses the NATO 5.56 standard. Hence they get marked .223 Rem.
          It’s simply a naming convention.

          • Steve_7

            If that were the reason then everything would be marked .223, and there are plenty of rifles (I’ve got a few) sold in Europe on the civil market marked, 5.56 x 45mm, with German etc. proofmarks. I’ve got a rifle proofed in the UK with 5.56 x 45 on it. In fact the EU tried quite hard a few years ago to get CIP to use metric measurements for everything but they relented when they realized they were names, not measurements. Possibly there is more than one reason, the proofing requirements, the paranoia about military weapons, export licensing requirements and so forth. Just simpler all around to put .223 on them.

    • Gyufygy

      I’ve read the European version of SAAMI only has a spec for .223 Rem, but the specs are rated to what SAAMI would call 5.56. So everything from European is marked for .223, even though we would call the same cartridge and chamber pressures 5.56.

      • Marc

        This is correct. CIP has the same testing procedures as NATO and rates .223 to the same pressure as NATO does 5.56. CIP does allow for a tighter chamber (minimum chamber dimensions. there is no maximum, so a NATO chamber is CIP-conform) but all barrels require proofing with loads equivalent to NATO proof loads.

  • Dave

    G36, released in 1997.
    True civilian version, 2014.
    It’s like the annoying girlfriend you have to wait for forever after foreplay before she gets to the bj

    • FourString

      Yeah but look at how piqued/aroused we are over the news, lol

    • Frank

      Federal AWB, expired 2004. You have to factor that in too.

    • Hahaha

      Lol I bet you get friendzoned alot you brony faggots

  • n0truscotsman

    WOW,…

    talk about being way behind the curve…

  • Mr Mxyzptlk

    Just curious, does anyone else think it is rather odd that they have called a rifle the “HK243″ and it isn’t chambered in .243 Winchester? Is this name a logical progression from something, or have they just randomly picked a number that also happens to be a completely different pretty popular caliber?

    • FourString

      Yeah I don’t get the naming system either. I wonder if the word ‘G36′ is just banned in many locales and H&K is just getting around it??? Other than that, don’t see the logic behind it, other than some behind the stage screwing around with patents o.o

      • Marc

        To make it civilian legal they can’t just modify a weapon of war, it must be a completely different product sharing no major components and manufactured on strictly seperated assembly lines. They then have to present to German federal police how it is not just a modification in order to get it approved and exempt from martial arms control. A different name is like the first baby step to show that it’s not a weapon of war.

        • FourString

          Makes complete sense. German export laws seem tougher than our own!!

          • Marc

            Depends. e.g. you don’t need a license to export accessories like rails, unlike in the US. The firearms themselves are very strictly regulated.

    • n0truscotsman

      I dont understand their naming system. Much like the HK 121. WTF does it all mean!?

  • TangledThorns

    The length of both rifles are a real turn-off for me. After seeing these photos I am more interested in buying a Tavor than ever before now.

  • aweds1

    I’d be perfectly happy with a 10.3″ HK416 upper that didn’t cost $4000. I understand German export laws are cumbersome but how can one company consistently turn away so many potential sales? If they’re made in the U.S., can you imagine how many MP5s, HK416s, G3s, G33s or any other roller lock variant would sell? Civilian sales in the U.S. is probably equal to many of the smaller militaries they try to market to. I think IWI is figuring this out by starting production lines in the U.S.

    • Steve_7

      It’s not just German export law, also banned from import under US law.

    • Jrad

      They wouldn’t sell that many G3s, since people don’t like them as much as much as one might think…. The rest, so long as they take AR-15 mags, would sell very well so long as the prices aren’t ridiculously high.

      The cost of production can’t be too far from Germany’s, though they would have to account for initial start-up cost.

      They probably just don’t want to. If they can’t because of finances, they’re still fools, because starting up in America would guarantee sales so long as they actually produce well-thought rifles and not just junk for fanboys.

  • avconsumer2

    Do want. Will not be able to afford. Sad day.

  • Walsher

    Buy your 90′s style space gun, today! For $2k+, if you can even find one!

  • hami

    Well at the very least it looks like they made 4 of them so far….

  • harry

    Just get a SCAR…

    • FourString

      More choices = bi winning

    • Ian Thorne

      Done. Now what?

      • Karl Erik Jünger

        Robinson XCR! ;)

        • nOPE

          Don’t buy an XCR if you want a gun you can expect to work.

          • Karl Erik Jünger

            Dunno about that bro.
            Buddy has an XCR and he’s put well over 3000 rounds through it (5000+ based on my reloading for him) all without as much as a hiccup.
            The first generations DID have issues with non-STANAG mags but that issue was resolved.
            I’ve yet to hear of an XCR problem aside from feeding issues with non-STANAG mags in that gen 1 gun.

            Personally, I have a Robinson M96 and it’s gone a good bit over 10,000 rounds without a single rifle-related issue (in my testing I used crappy ammo and mags and had issues related to that, not the rifle). I do wish they would still make that “improved Stoner-63 clone”… damn fine rifle!
            Robinson’s problem is in their customer service and availability of spare parts but the XCR is a beast, an American AK if you will and aside from those 1st gen mag issues, it’s as reliable as they come.
            FTR, I do NOT work for Robinson (actually, I hate dealing with them) but I DID document my M96 tests and submit my original bolt & barrel after the 10,000 mark and they sent me a new bolt/barrel in exchange for my efforts… which was amazing considering their CS dept.

    • Frank

      To be fair, if the pricing is in line with what is expected, this’ll be $600 to $800 cheaper than the SCAR.

      • wutang mang

        SCAR comes in at 2300 usually. More only if you’re impatient.

    • Devon Smelker

      No

  • JumpIf NotZero

    A. Way to go HK… You made it uglier, now price it uncompetitively. Fulfill your destiny.

    B. They managed to key the keymod in the correct direction on this gun. Still backwards on their ARs. Oh you German scamps!

    C. Dat height over bore :( Seriously, I’m not sure who that acog gun is set up for but you’d need a giraffe’s neck to use that mrds. It litterally looks 6″ above bore… That’s some offset!

    D. It’s an interesting injection molding. Combining the upper and lower… Should be much cheaper to make than other Hk guns.

    E. I honestly cannot figure out who this gun would be marketed to. There is no chance if it comes to US, that it’s cheaper than the SCAR, ACR, or premium AR. Oh HK, when bankruptcy actually comes around I hope you get someone in charge who isn’t so Koch’ed up.

    • dhb

      SOME will buy it because its stamped HK….other than that….at least they put the mag in the right way this time…

    • Steve_7

      It’s not marketed to Americans, that’s who it’s marketed to. Getting US-made AR-15s outside the US is quite hard and guns like the ACR or SCAR, forget it. Although why anyone would buy one of these over a SIG SG550 is a good question.

      • Frank

        Well it’s a hell of a lot lighter than a SIG 550 and it’s used by a military that’s actually seen service in the past 250 years.

        • Steve_7

          Yeah but in Europe it’s all about target shooting. I’m sure they’ll sell some to Germans but that’s a pretty small market.

          • Frank

            By that logic why not just get an AR with a nice target barrel.

          • Steve_7

            Because it’s a US gun and getting US guns outside the US is not that easy. Which is why Oberland Arms has a business.

          • Ari

            Not in Slovenia. In Slovenia they do real practical shooting competition.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Ok, but let’s be honest here. HK isn’t going to debut a civilian G36 for massive markets like France and Switzerland where they may sell… hundreds… and ignore tiny little markets like the USA.

        If you’re designing a gun for civilian sales, like HK is finally broke enough to start considering… USA should be the first and foremost consideration. My point is that HK is making a step forward… and will price it two steps backwards.

        • Steve_7

          Maybe they are planning on doing a US-made version but all you have to do is compare a SIG-Sauer SG556 to a Swiss Arms SG551 to see what you’ll end up with. The barrel and the receiver can’t be imported under 925(d)(3) and then you have to have at least ten US-made parts under 922(r) as well. So what does that leave exactly. H&K has made plenty of other guns purely for European markets before, e.g. the SL6, the SL7, various versions of the SL8. The SL8 was made to comply with German law at the time, then they removed parts of their “feature” test so this 243 would be legal now. Basically I think they’ve lost the plot which is why they’re going to go bankrupt.

    • Garrett

      The lower just sits inside of the upper, which is no different than the regular G36 design. All this design really does is make sure the pins the FCG uses don’t wiggle themselves out.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        I had to look up G36 lower pics, you’re right.

    • Aenur

      H&K going bankrupt…of course.
      Because A-murrican civilians are the only market which can keep a
      small arms firm alive. Let’s completely ignore that: HK P30 is was
      bough by several countries Police units (http://tinyurl.com/nlm5o9k).
      Well over 50.000 units sold. HK USP needs no further words especially
      if you take note that the P8 is the same weapon. Several thousand
      units of the P2000 were sold to Swiss, German and US federal
      Agencies. G36 got standard Issue for 2 more and 3 lesser important
      countries not speaking of police and militay purchases on unit level.
      The 416 got the standard issue for the Norwegian forces, 6500 IARs
      for the marines and the upcoming large scale sales of the M320 for
      the Army won’t make H&K poorer, too. To shorten it:

      P8 standard pistol of German armed forces
      G36 German standard issue assault rifle
      MG4 adopted as standard LMG
      MG121 upcoming standard MMG
      HK 417 Variant as new standard DMR
      AG36/ standard 40mm LV launcher for the German Army
      HK GMW the Bundeswehrs Mk.19

      So I think we can say that H&K is selling enough stuff in the law&military sector to keep on going.There is first no financial need to flood the civil markets
      and besides that it would be an administative and PR disaster for
      Oberndorf. Selling pistols is PR wise nothing other than selling AP
      landmines for the German public. It envolved to a literal shitstorm
      when picuters of Lybian rebels with G36 appeared on the media,
      shortly after the next shitstorm arose because H&K wanted to sell
      G36s to a Mexican statepolice departemend which happened to be in a
      „untrustworthy area of the world“ and further painful ( at least
      PR wise) investigations by the departement of public prosecution were
      made. The most important medias and newspapers titled:

      Die Zeit: „German Weapons kill everywhere“;

      TAZ: „Dead on target to crisis regions“;

      Bild: „H&K delivers illegal weapons (sic!) to Mexico“ and so on.

      Can u imagine the aftermath of something like the Columbine High School shooting happens with a distinctive German weapon?

      H&K really goes better with only selling some small numbers to collecters.

      And as long as H&K USA is just a branch of H&K and Oberndorf is Oberndorf it won’t matter outside of the USA if the weapon is manufactured in Germany or in the USA. In the end every shit comes back on Oberndorf.

  • Lange

    Now the real question is: How is the known heat problem solved? Is there a solid (read: metal) connection between the barrel and the optics rail? The fact that they’re offering plastic rails is not reassuring. Will this thing keep zero after a mag down the range in hot summer? Other than that, I see no problem as long as they keep the price reasonable.

    • iksnilol

      From what I heard the melting problem was not a mechanical one, it was them trying to run an assault rifle like a machine-gun (firing several hundred rounds in a short time). similar to ARs and AKs catching fire the G36 melts.

    • vitor

      I guess the heat issue happens in full auto guns after some sustained fire, being a semi and ammo being expensive, it is pretty much a non issue.

    • n0truscotsman

      As long as the trunnion block is surrounded by polymer, I would say “no” the heat “problem” hasn’t been solved.

      *note: if you don’t treat it like a machine gun, it will be fine. Personally, I dont have a love for delicate plastic guns and prefer AKs, but each to his own.

      I know many people that have been drooling over G36s since magazine articles came out in 1996 and were nearly in torch and pitchfork territory over the SLR8 when it was released. Now that its 2014, theyll get to be satisfied (unless they already spent the 4-5k and converted a SLR8 they reluctantly bought or came to realize that a $950 AR15 will do the job just as good if not better).

      • HKGuns

        There never was a heat issue so quit spreading the same horse crap over and over o-ye-master gunsmith.

        You can translate it yourself. Bottom line, it was the ammo.

        http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/sturmgewehr-g36-mangel-munition-soll-probleme-verursacht-haben-a-954014.html

        • Specialsummonfordays

          Thank you, faith restored.

        • n0truscotsman

          I think you misunderstood my use of “quotations”, as I have argued before that, inherently, polymer is more vulnerable to overheating than alloy, although there is no measurable difference when you use it as a rifle (or use any other rifle as a rifle and not a LMG).

          By “problem”, it was meant as a “supposed issue” that hasn’t been “solved” because HK is apparently still using polymer (meaning that it wasn’t that big of a “problem” if they are still doing this with current production guns). Meaning, in laymans terms, it undoubtedly isn’t a issue because the quantity of rounds fired that would result in point of impact shifts would also be deficient in causing a contemporary 5.56mm rifle to fail as well.

          So mind your snark when addressing me, “o-ye-master gunsmith” of the der spiegel links.

          I dont believe that it is the ammunition. Its possible that it can be the culprit, although when you have a trunnion that is encased by polymer, there are going to be issues after sustained fire. It doesn’t take a thermo physicist to make such a deduction. For the average shooter in America, its basically a non issue.

          • HKGuns

            Comment wasn’t directed at you individually, it was directed at the heat issue. Yours was the last comment, so that is where it went.

            But since you’re squawking now.

            Heat issues aren’t unique to polymer. Sustained fire, beyond design parameters, is an issue in any platform. Care to hazard a guess at the rounds per minute rating of the all steel M4 platform before it cooks rounds off in the chamber?

            How about M4 barrels and gas tubes melting from sustained fire? Are you going to exclude those issues as well?

            I’m more than confident the engineers who designed the G36 understand quite exactly, the melting point the polymer used. I’m also pretty confident that the melting point is designed into the operating parameters of the weapon system.

            So, you choose to believe the report when it is a “sensational” heat problem but refuse to believe the report when it is reported as a rather mundane ammo issue.

            Got it…..now you’re a known commodity.

          • n0truscotsman

            1.) YES I KNOW heat issues aren’t unique to polymer, although the comparison between alloy (aluminum or steel) to resist and displace heat and polymer is night and day different. This is a scientific fact.

            2.) “Sustained fire, beyond design parameters, is an issue in any platform” …which was the point of my original sentence, so I’m glad we’re finally in concurrence.

            3.) M4 barrels melting? gas tubes melting?

            Never seen it and the last time somebody reported these things, they were blown way out of proportion and exaggerated by the media, which loves to inflate controversy.

            Generally, the bolt carrier would seize from sheer thermal expansion and friction before the barrel became compromised enough to melt…much like any other 5.56 carbine.

            4.) “I’m more than confident the engineers who designed the G36 understand quite exactly, the melting point the polymer used.”

            Which is a appeal to authority logical fallacy, but really a point I’ve never argued against.

            “I’m also pretty confident that the melting point is designed into the operating parameters of the weapon system.”

            No argument here, like I said before.

            5.) “So, you choose to believe the report when it is a “sensational” heat problem but refuse to believe the report when it is reported as a rather mundane ammo issue.”

            The problems of POI shift in the G36, whether attributed to the polymer receiver or to the optics, are well known in the United States among users of the platform (which is ONE reason why the Capitol Police binned them for ARs). Don’t tell HK and G36 fanboys this though. They’re still delusional enough to believe their modernized AR18 will replace the M4.

            The fact is that other agencies and organizations have had similar problems with the G36 when using different types of ammunition (because, unlike the Bundeswehr and Europeans in general, Americans fire their fucking guns and are well known for pushing the boundaries of design capabilities).

            Newspaper report? try my experience in Afghanistan, where we were specifically firing M855, German DM11, British M193 type, and Mk318 and three rifles experienced such issues (one with the Hensoldt optic and two others with Eotechs), so I believe there is a certain truth to the “problem”, although not all rifles experienced this, so its difficult to make factual assertions. That is why to me the ammunition argument doesn’t pass the smell test.

            I think we can agree that for most intents and purposes, the G36 works acceptably within its given parameters as a infantry assault rifle, nothing more. Even with the arguments against its liberal use of polymer and other flaws, it is acceptable in combat alongside M4s and other contemporaries.

            If you are interested in finally (!) owning a G36, then jump on this. Dont let me stop you.

          • HKGuns

            Really trying to understand why you care so much?

            You don’t even have your facts straight, the trunion on the the G36 is plastic coated steel, not plastic. -Try harder to get your facts straight.

            Also try harder not to care so much that you have to type a short novel in response to a blog comment.

            OUT.

          • n0truscotsman

            “the trunion on the the G36 is plastic coated steel, not plastic.”

            I never said the trunnion is plastic. 0__o

            and ill write as long as I want. Youre not the fucking editor.

            More reading comprehension, less idiocy please. Were done here.

        • Lange

          I would probably trust the technical specialists of the BW to correctly assess the performance of the G36 and the ammunition used for it.
          I would not exactly trust the BW public relations department to convey the found facts correctly.
          I would NEVER trust the “Spiegel” on anything firearms related.

          Anyway: I do believe that the G36 has more of an overheating problem than other comparable rifles. It may be hard to determine, because
          1. All assault rifles have that problem.
          2. German Media is incompetent to correctly research this
          3. Bundeswehr, HK etc. have no interest in laying their own mistakes open.

  • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Alex C.

    Awesome!

  • Steve_7

    No-one else seems to have mentioned it, but this gun is for the European market, it’s not legal to import into the US unless they start making large parts of it in the US. Should be legal to import into Canada.

    • Mike

      They have a factory here, no need to import.

      • Steve_7

        And where would that be exactly? They have offices in the US and do some assembly in the US but I’m not aware that they make anything in the US. The guns clearly say: “Made in Germany” on them.

      • Steve_7

        Actually looking elsewhere on here there is a US version called the 293, not clear on how it is different, plus it’s supposed to have a German-made barrel and I didn’t think they were legal to import anymore. Assembled in their plant in NH using some US-made parts.

  • Lance

    I want the version with the true G-36 folding stock be cool for a collection of German firearms. BUT not with the usual VERY OVERBLOWN HK PRICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Ian Thorne

      Other than the MR rifles HK rifles have always been in the $1500 dollar range. I would fully expect this to be in the same range,

    • n0truscotsman

      Look at the bright side: if this is 2k, it still will be cheaper than buying a discontinued SLR8 and converting it from a G36 parts kit.

  • Josh

    Holy height over bore batman! That’s a ways up.

  • Blake

    Am I the only one that sees the irony of a gun called HK243 chambered in .223 Rem?

    When I first saw the announcement I thought it was another entry in the rare breed of 6mm ARs…

    • Steve_7

      I agree but the 243 is only for the European market where .243 isn’t as popular. The US version is the 293. ??? Stupid name.

  • Masoo2

    *Unzips pants*
    Time to make a G36K

  • floppyscience

    What the hell is “HKS” / “HK Sidearms GmbH”? Did they change their name?

  • Michael R. Zupcak

    I like the “budget” version too. Looks a lot more like the real deal holyfield.

  • IXLR8

    If it is like the MR, we should see it in the store in 2016. How much?
    The optics rail is VERY high, and the iron sights seem to have a very short radius in relation to the OAL. I love HK’s and would love to buy one either way. Are there a large selection of “other” rifles that are “better” and cheaper, you betcha… Even the worst HK weapons are pretty darn good.
    HK please feel free to rename your firearms whatever will get them imported…

  • Specialsummonfordays

    Premium version even if it looks horrid.

  • BOB

    Holy Bore Axis Batman!

  • Edohiguma

    Somehow I don’t see it win the popularity contest against the AUG Z in Austria. Or even with German produced AR15s, like from Oberland Arms and Hera Arms. Or heck, imported US AR15s, which tend to pop up on ranges.

    Also, tiny stock mag. Really?

  • derfelcadarn

    One ugly rifle. Plenty of rail space so all the nimrods can glue on all sorts of dodads and whizbangs, combine this with the Hello Kitty caliber and you have a very expensive well decorated decked out in full regalia woodchuck gun. With all the BS that is going to get snapped on to this thing it may as well come with a tripod or be mounted on a jeep. Waste of money.

    • ArcRoyale

      I dunno about the jeep, but you can get a tripod. And spade grips.

  • Niko

    Hi Im german,

    I talked to the guys at the guys at the IWA exhibit stand, I know most of them.

    Price Tag in Germany will be around 1800-1900 EUR for the basic version, and around 2200 EUR for advanced Version. Now you can think about the costs in the US.

    The MR223 A1 (called MR556 A1 in the US) is around 2500 Euro here.

    And I saw The MR556A1 for aroun 2700-2800 US-D in the US.

    So I would assume in the US you will pay:
    ~2000 US-D for the Basic
    ~2400 US-D for the Advanced

    Greetings

    • Aaron

      Hm, that isn’t great news. Could be worse, but it’s not great. The basic version is *so* basic that the total cost of upgrading the parts that I imagine most of us will prefer on it (different carry rail, shorter stock, flash hider, bolt release, and different magwell possibly) will bring it up to the price of the advanced one. So that is unfortunate for people who don’t want the parts on the basic version but also don’t want the heavy parts on the advanced one.

      They should really have those prices more around $1600 and $2000 respectively imo. That pricing would really make it a more attractive platform. But maybe HK is banking on all its sales coming from G36 fans who are willing to fork over the extra cash.

  • guest

    I would like to see a civy version of XM-9, and one that does require you to re-finance your house.

  • Kyle

    Hah. Finally.

  • CF

    They better mean that it’s going to be chambered in 5.56… No way H&K could possibly be THAT oblivious?? Like all things H&K… you pay so much money that by the time it could be considered reasonable, it’s outdated. Then you pay top dollar for older tech, like their pistols.

  • Papol

    I’d rather have the budget version if it came with a shorter stock, aluminum optics rail, and a forward rail so I could mount a light and DBAL. Other than that, there’s nothing bad about it for what it is.