Remington Announces New R-51 Pistol

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During the first part of December a group of firearm writers, including myself, were invited by Remington to the 2014 New Defense/Tactical Products Seminar held at the Gunsite Academy in Paulden, Arizona. To say I was excited to go would be an understatement!

As it turns out I would have been even more excited if I had known what was in store for us. Each day we would meet in a classroom and discuss products before heading to the various ranges for a day of shooting. This particular morning a presentation was on the screen and there was a pistol I’d never seen but looked somewhat familiar. The pistol turned out to be the new Remington Model 51 pistol in 9MM! (shipping in February)

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The R-51 looked familiar because this new pistol is based on the John Pederson designed original model 51. For those not familiar with the model 51 there were 65,000 pistols made in .32 and .380 caliber between 1918 and 1927. Small numbers were made with existing parts into the 1930’s.

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The mechanism of the model 51 is unique and only used in one handgun and that’s the model 51. The layout of the Remington 51 is similar to the Walther PPK pistol in the use of a stationary barrel and recoil spring surrounding the barrel. However, the unique feature is the use of a locking breech block within the slide. When the pistol is in battery, the breech block rests slightly forward of the locking shoulder in the frame. When the cartridge is fired, the bolt and slide move together a short distance rearward powered by the energy of the cartridge as in a standard blowback system. When the breech block contacts the locking shoulder, it stops, locking the breech. The slide continues rearward with the momentum it acquired initially. This allows chamber pressure to drop to safe levels while the breech is locked and the cartridge slightly extracted. Once the bullet leaves the barrel and pressure drops, and the continuing motion of the slide lifts the breech block from its locking recess through a cam arrangement, continuing the operating cycle.

Now that I’ve laid the base for the origin of the new Remington R-51 lets move on to this new pistol. First let me emphasize that the R-51 is not a rehash of the older pistol. Remington engineers have spent countless hours redesigning from the original to create this updated pistol.

R51-TopView

The R-51 uses the Pederson action but that’s where we depart from the original. As you can see from the photos the entire pistol has been streamlined and dehorned. There’s not one sharp edge anywhere on this pistol. The magazine release is ambidextrous. There is the usual internal drop safety. The primary safety is the grip safety. As you draw the pistol you can feel as well as hear the grip safety click and disengage. Once the grip safety is depressed you’re ready to fire. The R-51 has an internal hammer you would term this a single action.

R51-DetailGripSafety

The trigger is really very good and has the same feel as a 1911. In fact the trigger moves straight back like a 1911. The trigger itself looks a good deal like a 1911 having a stirrup configuration. The R51 is very fast to get into action since you have no safeties you consciously have to release. It’s straightforward draw and fire. Trigger reset is short making follow-up shots fast.

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A good deal of time was also spent on getting the grip circumference and angle as close to perfect as they could manage. They did a good job because the grip not only feels good but it’s a natural pointer. When you draw and bring the pistol on target the sights are pretty much lined up. The shooters hand also sits very high and much closer to the bore axis reducing felt recoil.

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As far as calibers the R-51 is rated for 9MM+P ammo. A .40 caliber version will be next in the lineup. The magazine capacity is 7+1. Of course this is a compact pistol with a single stack magazine. Night sights are also an option. A Crimson Trace model will be available as well as one with a threaded barrel for a suppressor.

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Other features of the R-51 include an undercut trigger guard as well as 25 lpi front strap checkering. Larger grip inserts are available for those with larger hands. The pistol also has a lowered and flared ejection port. The barrel is made of 416 stainless steel.

Shooting the R-51

After our classroom session learning the history and attributes we all headed for the range for an afternoon of shooting the R-51.

We used one of the ranges equipped with steel targets so we could get instant feedback. The Remington guys had a table with eight R-51’s lined up along with a table with several cases of ammo. The pistols we used were everything from early prototypes to pre production models.

I can tell you we all did our duty trying to break one by firing thousands of rounds of ammo. We used ball ammo as well as hollowpoints. The only difficulty I saw that afternoon was an early prototype that broke. There’s nothing unexpected in a prototype breaking down. Eight shooters fired non-stop for hours. At one point they had to make an ammo run and bring back more ammo.

We fired many thousands of rounds and I saw one failure to feed. Not bad at all considering we fired about eight or ten cases of ammo in eight guns. As you can see from the photo there was enough brass on the ground to walk around and never touch the ground! I can’t speak for the other writers but I’m sold on the R-51. A pistol that handles this well and shows that kind of reliability has to get some serious attention. Accuracy was also good in no small part to the fixed barrel.

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One thing that happens all the time with the release of a new pistol is a lack of holsters. Well not this time. Galco has a leather holster. Fobus, Crossbreed and Comp-Tac all have holsters available now. Besides the Crimson Trace model other lasers are available from Laserlyte and Lasermax.

The price of the R-51 is pretty amazing to me. MSRP is $389! This price is just way under what I expected.

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Ballistic gelatin test There’s a new type of ammo in the photo also.

The R-51 will be shipping to dealers on February 1st. After the range session we all got together with the Remington reps and discussed the pistol for an hour or so. None of us really had any significant changes we thought should be made. I don’t know of one writer that didn’t like this new pistol myself included.

Stats
Weight 20 oz
Width .96
Length 6 inches
Height 4.5 inches
Barrel length 3.4
Internal Hammer SA

I hope you all enjoyed this announcement and review! Our readers are one of if not the first to hear about it! There’s more to come—-

* Readers requested information *
I spoke with Remington and here are the prices and types of replacement inserts. Extra mags have an MSRP of $29.95—probably less at street prices.

R51 WIDEBODY GRIPS

REPLACEABLE GRIP PANELS TO ALLOW A WIDER MORE FILLING GRIP ON R51 FRAME

POLYMER

$19,95

R51 RUBBER GRIP PANELS

REPLACEABLE RUBBER OVERMOLDED GRIP PANELS TO ENHANCE GRIP ON R51 PISTOL

RUBBER

$19.95

R51 ROSEWOOD GRIP PANELS

REPLACEABLE CHECKERED ROSEWOOD GRIP PANELS FOR MODEL R51 PISTOL

ROSEWOOD

$29.95

REPLACEABLE PEARL STYLED GRIP PANELS FOR MODEL R51 PISTOL

FAUX PEARL COMPOSITE

$29.95

R51 MAGAZINE

FACTORY REPLACEMENT 7 ROUND MAGAZINE FOR R51 PISTOL

STAINLESS STEEL

7 Rounds

9MM

$29.95


Phil White

Retired police officer with 30 years of service. Firearms instructor and SRU team member. I still instruct with local agencies. My daily carry pistol is the tried and true 1911. I’m the Associate Editor and moderator at TFB. I really enjoy answering readers questions and comments. We can all learn from each other about our favorite hobby!


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  • El Duderino

    A fixed barrel 9mm single stack (that’s not a Hi-Point) for just a bit more than a Kel-Tec PF9…sign me up! Suppressor fans might like this one (with a threaded barrel).

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      It is very cool I can say that! Ladies will like how easy it is to chamber a round. The slide moves easy.
      I ordered mine already:-)

      • Tiffany Saylor

        Yeah cuz lets be honest. My Glock tends to stick on occasion or just get difficult to chamber.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          I do understand. My wife has problems with the spring strength on the Glock. She’s only 5’1″ so pistols like my 1911 are out. I can’t wait for her to try my R51 when it arrives.
          I hope you enjoy it!

          • FourString

            For the Glock, is it a Gen 4 in particular? I heard the Gen 4’s are kind of hard to chamber, but I’ve only handled the Gen 3’s

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            The gen 4 does feel harder to charge than a three. She actually tried both and had problems with gen 3 and 4.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            I should have added the gen 4’s have the dual spring thing going on.

          • FourString

            yep, that’s precisely why I asked :)

          • FourString

            I’m rather curious as to how the dual spring set up on the Glock Gen 4 compares to dual spring set up on the H&K USP (perceived recoil and ease of chambering a round).

            That would be an interesting write up (nudge nudge) ;D

          • CorruptionInColumbia

            Careful! It may become “HER” R51 shortly thereafter.

            :-D

      • WeaponBuilder

        What distributors can we order from on these? I’m dying for the threaded model here in suppressor friendly ND!

        What was the trigger pull weight?

        Being a single action, it is likely tunable by professionals. I’d love a clean 3.5 to 4 pounds!

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          They list it as 5.5 but it sure didn’t feel like it was that high. It honestly felt more like 4/4.5
          I imagine a good gunsmith could bring it down to the range you’re looking for.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          I don’t have a distributor list. The best bet is just have a gun shop order one for you. They can be ordered now so after they start shipping Feb 1st it shouldn’t take long to get it.

  • Anonymous

    Wow. I’m very much not a fan of Big Green, but this is pretty damn cool. After all of these years I’m fairly jaded about new pistol designs, but this is one that just might be enough to change my mind. Can’t wait until February!

  • Stanislao

    Nearly had an involuntary bowel movement when I read it used the Pederson system. Looks like they made the pistol into what it should have been nearly a century ago.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      It’s a slick action and I just like it. The grip safety appeals to me as does the fact it’s not a polymer pistol

      • Stanislao

        Alloy or steel frame? Can you describe the disassembly process? Gunblast has a video with a picture showing a pushed-out 1911 style slide stop and a detached barrel. I’m guessing you pull everything off the front after removing the slide stop.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          It’s an aluminum frame, forged steel slide

          • Stanislao

            Did they say how the bolt was made? Not sure if it is small enough for current metal injection molding.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            Stainless steel—no MIM here–

          • Arthur

            A 9mm sub compact that is not polymer(thank you) and affordable to boot….bring on February

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            You got that right. I’m sooo glad it doesn’t have any polymer!

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          Yea Jeff took one apart. Remove the slide release. Pull the slide back–then up and off. The barrel can then be removed if you want.
          Pretty similar to taking down a PPK

  • Gun Guy

    Wow I maybe investing in one of these why, I don’t know lol

  • sianmink

    The original 51 looked suspiciously similar to a Makarov..

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      A little. The front does for sure.

    • Matthew Groom

      Except it had a locked breech and came out 33 years before the Makarov.

    • floppyscience

      It’s a totally different design and came out decades earlier. I don’t know why so many people are saying it looks like a PM.

      • sianmink

        I know it’s totally different, but the slide profile and grip angle scream PM to me.

  • gun nut

    What is the weight, length/width/height of the gun?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Strangely that was not a part of the information I received. I’d say less than 1 inch wide. 3 7/8th barrel maybe 21 ounces or so. Just guessing so don’t hold me to it.

  • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

    I just edited the post with an AVI showing the Pederson action in motion

  • floppyscience

    …Wow, this is actually nice. It’s nice to see something “new” once in a while. I might break my personal boycott on Cerberus to pick one of these up if they end up being decent.

    • Mark

      They’d have to start up new production on the Model 8 for me to lift my boycott on Cerebus Capital Management. Even then I’d almost lose my lunch as I handed over my cash.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I’m like a kid in a candy store when I see a new gun. After shooting heaven only knows how many rounds through different ones I ordered one before we left the range. I like the thin profile,trigger pull and a safety that doesn’t get in the way.
      I just like the retro look

  • David Sharpe

    Any word on barrel length? If they can get these up to Canada before I buy a Makarov, I’ll buy this instead.

    • floppyscience

      Sorry, the barrel looks to be 3.4″.

      Info from here, leaked from distributor’s data: http://www.osagecountyguns.com/blog/tag/remington-r51/

      • David Sharpe

        Damn, maybe the threaded barrel will be over 4.1″

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          The barrel is threaded back a ways. I’m not sure how that will work with a suppressor. Look at the last photo and you can see the threads.

          • David Sharpe

            THOSE are the threads? What would be the point in those threads?

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            Those threads are actually an aid for removing the barrel. What I wasn’t clear on is they sell an accessory barrel (or purchase a threaded barrel model) which does extend the barrel length. I had to go back and look over my powerpoint presentation which makes the suppressor barrel option clear. The suppressor barrel will have threads at the end and another set like those in the photo to assist in barrel removal.
            They actually had the threads on the old model to help the user remove the barrel.

        • floppyscience

          I doubt the threaded barrel will add 0.7″, but we can always dream.

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        Yea somebody always has to break the rules:-( Oh well at least I have the barrel length now—LOL!

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      the overall length is 6 inches so I’d say 3.4 would be close

  • Matthew Groom

    I cannot believe how excited I am about this. I will be buying the first one of these I find, and I never make that kind of a commitment to a new product. This is exactly what I said Remington should do when they announced they would be making pistols again, and I’m extremely pleased that they have, and in 9mm no less, and what a price! If you told me they were being built overseas at that price, I’d believe it, and still want one.

  • John Joseph Hall

    I want this gun It resembles that early 1900 styling I love about my Colt 1903/1908 pocket hammerless pistols I have!

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Yep that’s the idea behind it

  • Scott

    Suddenly I want one, but is it just me, or does this article make no mention of trigger system. I can see that it doesn’t have an external hammer, but it isn’t striker fired, I also see no decocker, and the grip safety could fit with just about any trigger system. So is this DAO, SAO, DA/SA? I suppose since the article mentions that the trigger feels a lot like a 1911 trigger it could be SAO, but that’s still not the same as an explicit declaration of what it is.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      They call it a hammer action. Essentially when you rack the slide it’s cocked and the hammer is back. The grip safety releases it to fire when the trigger is pulled.
      For lack of a better definition I say single action.

      We couldn’t take them all the way down at the time so I didn’t get a look inside:-)

      • Scott

        Sounds exactly like single action to me. So much so that I wonder why they didn’t just call it single action instead of calling it “hammer action”.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          It would have made sense to just call it a single action. I mean it has an internal hammer that’s cocked when the slide is pulled back and a round is chambered. It’s released by depressing the grip safety and each trigger pull is the same. Yep sounds single action to me:-)

          • Scott

            Thankfully that little oddity of nomenclature does nothing to change the fact that I want one.

            So what was the recoil like? Did it feel any different from an other pistol of similar size and caliber, or does the hesitation locked action (apparently that’s what Wikipedia calls it) change the feeling?

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            The action does make the perceived recoil lighter than I expected. A bit more like a weak 9mm load. I was shooting +P loads at the time. It really doesn’t feel any different in recoil. I thought it would with the delayed blowback. I suppose we just can’t perceive the very short delay.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            Scott—look at the AVI I posted in the review. It shows the internal hammer and the action going through a cycle.

          • Scott

            I saw that, and it looks just like a single-action. Of more interest was the rest of the action. Pedersen really was a clever engineer to come up with that, and now I learn that the action reduces felt recoil. I really want one now. I also just talked with a friend who has an original Model 51 in .32, and he said that it’s the lightest shooting .32 he’s even seen. Now let’s see if I can get the money together…

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            He’s correct the recoil is much lighter than other standard 9mm’s. I mentioned it feeling like a mild 9mm load but I would go far as to say it’s like shooting a .380.
            The Pederson action is entirely responsible for that.

          • sandra

            For women with small hands, how is the grip? I have a rugger 22 and I love the way it feels in my hand and is very hard to find a larger cal that I like how feels.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            That’s really a tough one to answer. The grip is a normal size certainly nothing like a Glock or other double stack.
            I would just wait until about mid February and check local gun stores. Checking one in person is the only way to know for sure.

          • Sandra

            Thank you very much.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            Certainly—anytime at all

          • Terry

            So, as an SA system, it can be carried cocked and locked, but the “locked” part is just the grip safety?
            Is there a firing pin safety or other internal safety?

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            That pretty much sums it up. I believe the internal is a firing pin safety.

        • DaveP.

          Probably because they opinion-tested both terms and “hammer action” polled better. There’s a lot of cheap Single Action Only guns out there: Raven/Lorcin/High Point are a case in point.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            That may very well be the case

  • Risky

    Whereas Glock’s new pistol has disappointed many with its .380 ACP chambering, Remington may have snuck in the coolest gun of the year with this little single stack 9mm number. With a $350 roundabout street price, you can count me in for one of these doohickeys for sure!

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      It’s a heck of a good price. When Remington told us the price I had to ask them to repeat that. I expected a good deal more.
      Mine should be here by March:-)

      • FourString

        I wasn’t impressed by the looks at first, but as I read on of the specs and features, my mind definitely changed. I want one now. Especially as a neat Shield/PPK alternative. Hopefully these find their way into California, either through single shot exemption or otherwise. That magazine capacity in this package makes it a nice choice in Cali.

        • FourString

          Also, that grip safety, combined with the single action and single stack magazine, reminds me a heckuvalot of the H&K P7, just available new and a whole lot cheaper.

        • aweds1

          I wonder how much the magazine capacity was impacted by the NY SAFE Act, and the knowledge that the new design was within new restrictions?

          • FourString

            probably just a pleasant (for NY-er’s) coincidence. i doubt that they designed it with the SAFE Act in mind. the m&p shield magazine has a 7 round capacity, as does the old H&K P7 and Walther PPK. i think the round count has more to do with being single stack, quite honestly :)

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            True—

          • aweds1

            Yeah, probably. :) With Remington in NY, it just made me wonder. I really like the single stack form factor. I’ll take slim and aesthetic over stubby and blocky any day.

          • Robert

            It was made in North Carolina. Remington is too smart to actually make a pistol in New York. Look at the first pic for the Charlotte NC stamp.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            That I don’t know. I wouldn’t think it had any influence on it but you never know.

          • Jeremy Star

            The 7 round restriction has been struck down by a federal judge, and most of us knew that was coming, so I doubt Remington even took that into consideration.

          • Limonata

            It was only struck down in the western district court. NYS has 4 district courts. It will have to go to a higher court before it means anything. Right now the law does not apply to the Buffalo district only

          • Jeremy Star

            That’s not how a federal court ruling works. It applies to NY, period. The DAs saying it doesn’t are playing a political game, but they know they are full of it. Unless it gets heard in the state court of appeals and a conflicting judgement is handed down, 10 rounds baby.

          • Limonata

            You are incorrect:

            US Supreme Court decisions are binding on all federal courts, but are most likely to be applicable to cases heard in US District Courts or appealed to US Court of Appeals Circuit Courts.

            The Supreme Court’s decisions are also binding on State courts if they involve constitutional amendments that have been incorporated to the states.

            US Court of Appeals Circuit Court decisions are binding on all US District Courts within that Circuit, but only carry persuasive precedential weight in other Circuits. The decisions are not binding on other Circuits or on any state courts.

            US District Court decisions are not binding on other courts, but may be cited as persuasive precedents by other courts, regardless of which Circuit the court belongs to.

            When US Court of Appeals Circuit Courts issue conflicting decisions on substantially similar matters (called a Circuit Split), they may induce the US Supreme Court to grant certiorari for a case that can be used to resolve or clarify the constitutional issue. The Supreme Court decision will then create a binding precedent used in deciding similar future cases.

            When Circuit Splits are unresolved, the individual decisions — although conflicting — remain binding within each Circuit, but not outside the Circuit. This raises the possibility that one or more of the other ten regional Circuits* will further complicate matters by creating a third split, resulting in inconsistent constitutional interpretations and application of law. For this reason, reviewing cases that address Circuit Splits are high on the US Supreme Court’s list of priorities.

            It has no legal binding in other courts. The DA can prosecute and the courts can decide to rule with the other district, or choose not to. Each district is separate unless there is a decision at the US Court of Appeals Circuit Court. The only time it is state wide is when that state has a single district court — CT, NJ & MA just to name a few.

          • Jeremy Star

            TLDR: NYSRPA lawyers and other disagree. You can state “you are incorrect” like the self-righteous internet know it all you want to sound like, but your opinion doesn’t matter to me.

          • Mr. Fahrenheit

            He’s right, though.

            It wasn’t too long a read, (seven paragraphs wouldn’t stop me but know your audience, Limonata), but his description of how the fed courts work is spot on.

            Here’s link to a a video that may help the NYSRPA lawyers and others:

          • sweptarea

            Wrong. Don’t quote law if you don’t know law please.

          • GunsNGolf

            The SAFE no longer limits to 7. 10 is legal.

        • William Burke

          California, the Land of Hopeful Shooters. “Oh PLEASE can we have some of these in Cali? PRETTY PLEASE?”

          Pathetic. All I can say is, you must enjoy your servitude, losers.

          • FourString

            That “I got mine, now screw you” attitude does no good for the nationwide debate on gun rights. Selfish prick.

          • howboutnoucrazydutchbastard

            Do you need some Preparation H? Cuz you sound a little ASSHURT.

          • travis02gt

            Sorry William,
            The new microstamping law prevents it and other new pistols from coming to dealers in Californa.

          • William Burke

            When did this pass?

          • travis02gt

            It actually was passed in 2007 but due to patents on the microstamping, it wasn’t implemented until 2013. Ruger is letting all its pistols fall of the Roster. 9 fell off on the 16th of Jan. I think.

          • FourString

            Any word on how this affects Single Shot Exemptions and other crafty means of importing non-Roster pistols into Cali? I just want to do that so badly just to stick it to the proverbial man

        • bmartin79

          Hopefully they come out with extended mags for us boys in red states that like more rounds in our mags .

          • Scouse

            The overall size of the pistol, great, for those of us who carry an extra/spare magazine, to be worn on the belt, at least a ten round capacity one.
            I am a Glock 19 kind of Guy, Florida Guy. But I can see the need for a smaller CC Pistol as well. It should be really accurate, that fixed barrel, the P7 was real accurate.
            I think Glock could set up a Factory in Smyrna GA, and make magazines for other company’s, they make the best magazines in the World.
            Nothing but magazines, cheaper than the originals, larger capacity.

          • bmartin79

            I carry 2 spare mags . It be nice two know if they plan on making higher capacity mags . Before making a purchase.

      • Tiffany Saylor

        Oh I will be getting this one. Or making the hubby go buy me one. This lil beauty will fit nicely in my case that’s for damn sure lol

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          You’ll like how easy it is to rack the slide:-)

          • Nicks87

            Why? Because she’s a woman? C’mon Phil.
            Just kidding, I think everyone can appreciate light, user friendly chambering capabilities. Some folks even put lighter springs in thier autos just for that very reason.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            LOL–heck I like the easier to rack slide myself:-) It sure makes it easier if you have a stovepipe you need to clear.

          • fpdsniper

            You’re correct, they do. However, that should only be done with range/target guns as you decrease the reliability of a pistol when you start messing with lighter springs. Not a good idea for a carry gun. The engineering that goes into a pistol design uses spring rates that enhance reliability. You really should mess with that on a carry gun. Just my opinion.

      • Kenneth Carty

        How do I get one?

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          They will be shipping Feb. 1 st to gunshops around the country. I imagine at latest you’ll see them on the shelves by the second or third week of February. Of course the gun stores can order them now.

    • Dutch

      The R51 in 9mm does make the Glock .380 fail a little more epic (Glock owner since 94).

    • James Miller

      I was just bitching the other day about the glock being a .380. It’s also not that small. Ever seen a hipoint .380? It’s the most useless gun ever made, it’s huge and could have easily been a .45.

      • jdgarz

        I have a Hi-point 45 and a 9MM. They are the ugliest, heaviest, guns ever. However they were 168.00 each plus tax and although I havent fired the 9 yet I can say the 45 is great. I also have a ruger 1911 and an ACI 1911 and I like all three. I have not seen the.380 Hi-point. They do carry a lifetime warranty and they are made in the USA

        • Robert

          ^^^”They do carry a lifetime warranty and they are made in the USA” — This reminds me of the Tommy Boy (movie) scene:

          Tommy:
          Here’s the way I see it, Ted. Guy puts a fancy guarantee on a box ’cause he wants you to feel all warm and toasty inside.

          Ted Nelson, Customer:
          Yeah, makes a man feel good.

          Tommy:
          ‘Course it does. Why shouldn’t it? Ya figure you put that little box
          under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter, am I right, Ted?

          Ted Nelson, Customer:
          But why do they put a guarantee on the box?

          Tommy:
          Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of sh*t. That’s all it is, isn’t it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time.

          • Rich

            Hey Back Off the Hi-Point!
            They make the absolute best Paperweights, Door Stops and Bookends I have ever seen!

    • scott will

      cool to alot of people is what works and you can be good with and will last .glock 42 even in 380 will appeal to alot of people.Besides these will be asking 499.00 in the real world.

    • Geoff

      PLUS, it’s NEARLY as ugly as a Glock!

  • Michael Pham

    If only they kept the original styling. Still impressed and excited for a return of the 51, but I really don’t dig the aesthetics.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Yea I’ve heard mixed opinions on the look. I can say that for some reason the photos just don’t present it very well. It is a mix of old and new.

      • Tony Williams

        I may be in the minority, but I’ve never liked the blocky, ugly shape of most Browning-derived pistols from the M1911 onwards. I think this new one looks fantastic – like an upmarket sports car compared with a truck! I hope it’s a success for Remington, they deserve it for trying something so different.

    • http://www.thegunzone.com/556dw.html Daniel E. Watters

      I agree. The original Model 51 and 53 were gorgeous. This is absolutely hideous. The worst part is that if they simply eliminated some of the extraneous cuts, they could reduce the cost of the pistol.

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        What parts don’t you care for? I’m just curious if it’s the extra slide cuts or general design?

        • http://www.thegunzone.com/556dw.html Daniel E. Watters

          Primarily, it is the extra slide cuts, followed by the fact that they left the front of the slide squared off. The proportion of the triggerguard looks off as well. The skeletonized trigger is frankly silly.

          At times, I wonder if the entire industry is competing to make the ugliest pistol. It is the only way you can explain the evolution of the Walther P99 family.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            We’ll see on the trigger. I’ve seen both so we’ll know for sure which is used before long.
            I guess the front cuts could have been left off. It makes it easier to do a chamber check. Thanks for replying—

          • Sable

            I’ll second that, I liked the looks of the original P99 but when I saw the PPQ my first thought was that Walther had begun subcontracting to Hipoint.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            I have to agree it’s just a bit much

  • grifhunter

    Finally, A Walther PPK in 9mm!
    But they need to lose about 3-4 ounces to make this a competitor in the subcompact 9mm market. Take a half inch off the barrel and grip and you should be right there.
    Ditch the grip safety for a magazine safety.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I actually like the grip safety. I never had the problem of missing it or failing to depress it.
      They compare this one to the Shield, Ruger LC9 etc.

      • grifhunter

        The Kimber Solo and Ruger LC9 both are 17 oz pistols. Keltecs is 14 oz.
        Put this fine gun on a diet (or offer a compact version!).

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          The Nano weighs 20 oz and the Shield 19 oz. The LC9 and Kimber Solo is indeed 17 oz.

    • David Sharpe

      Screw the mag safety, that’s is the most useless thing in the world.

      • grifhunter

        A couple of dozen kids/noobs kill a friend every year thinking the magazine-less gun is unloaded.

        Ask the victim how useless it is. And don’t say just don’t point the gun at anyone. With that logic, no gun ever should have a safety.

        • David Sharpe

          There is no safety for stupidity….

          People should store their guns away from kids and noobs.

          If or when I need to use a gun, I want it to fire every time, and if I need to use more than 1 magazine and therefore must reload, I want to be able to fire the chambered cartridge if needed.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            The Browning Hi Power has that darn mag disconnect. The first thing most owners do is remove it.
            If you have kids you always need to keep the guns secured. If noobs don’t know a round can be in the chamber and fired they need additional training for their and others safety.
            No physical device will ensure safety without proper training and practice.

          • David Sharpe

            I will never own another firearm that has a mas disconnect, the only one I own that does is a GSG 1911 and once I figure out how to, I will remove it.

            The problem with removing a mag disconnect is that if used in a defensive situation it can be used against you, because “you purposely meant to murder someone in cold blood”

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            True it can cause legal problems. I’ve seen it happen. That’s why our PD didn’t allow officers to have action work done or anything that could be thought of as making it into a “killers” gun.

          • David Sharpe

            Any mods you do to a defensive firearm can be seen like that, at least by bloody idiots.

            Oh you changed the sights? Oh you want to shoot better because “you purposely meant to murder someone in cold blood”

            Oh you smoothed up the trigger? It’s because “you purposely meant to murder someone in cold blood”

            About the only thing my cities police service can do is put skateboard tape on the grips.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            Yep that’s about it—–

          • RocketScientist

            There was a murder trial a few years back in my state which I followed closely (pretty obvious defensive use of licensed concealed handgun). The prosecutor made quite the issue out of the fact that the sights had been replaced by tritium night sights. Frequently referred to this as a modification made my gangsters, hitmen and assassins to allow them to pursue their innocent prey in the dark of night. Claimed it was evidence of the “predatory” attitude of the shooter.

          • David Sharpe

            Was the poor guy convicted?

          • RocketScientist

            Nope, thankfully. The ‘victim’ was a career criminal, repeat armed robber. Was obvious he was shot in the side of his chest (probably from flinching when he saw his intended victim pull a gun), not “shot in the back in cold blood” as the prosecutor repeatedly claimed. Also the defense presented evidence that a knife recovered at the scene (no prints/DNA) had been purchased by the ‘victim’, which agreed with the defendant’s story that he was threatened with a knife. Impression I got was an anti-gun prosecutor trying to turn a case of self-defense into a racism-motivated slaying. He obviously had an agenda, which certainly didn;t help his case with the jury (lots of eye-rolling and sighs during his more dramatic statements). Still didn’t keep the defendant from wasting months of his life and thousands of dollars to defend himself.

          • RocketScientist

            Huh… posted a reply, but now its disappeared? Won’t re-type everything i wrote last time, but in short: no, he walked, thank God. Still spent months of his life and who knows how much money defending himself against BS.

          • grifhunter

            The lives taken by magazine-less handguns far, far exceeds the theoritical situation where someone needed to shoot a round between mag changes.

            Every tragedy is one more “lets ban guns for the children” headline, and a simple device such as a mag safety makes for fewer sob stories. Plus you as owner can always disable the mag safety if so inclined.

          • David Sharpe

            Once again, make sure they are stored properly, either they are in a holster or in a safe.

            The problem with removing a mag disconnect is that if used in a defensive situation it can be used against you, because “you purposely meant to murder someone in cold blood”

          • David Kachel

            Nonsense. You bought it that way. Don’t know who took it out. Or, it broke and the trigger pull was better without it.

          • David Sharpe

            Was this in reply to me?

            If it was, what?

          • jrdobbsjr

            That isn’t what the DA is going to tell the Grand Jury and the jury…almost certainly composed of people who get all their gun knowledge from TV….at your murder trial.

          • David Kachel

            Your “statistics” are imaginary and knowledge superficial.

          • grifhunter

            I didn’t supply statistics. I said the evidence is that accidental shootings, where the handler assumed the mag-less gun was unloaded exceed any incidents of a citizen saving his bacon by shooting a single round between mag changes. I’ll accept a couple of press accounts of this tactical move occurring, so post away Mr. Gun Expert.

        • bob

          Wow…pease leave

        • David Kachel

          Your inexperience is showing.

        • anonymous

          Wow, it’s depressing to watch the knee-jerk reaction against magazine disconnect devices. A more rational discussion is at http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10571-Opinions-on-magazine-safeties

          Somewhat interesting from an historical standpoint, magazine safeties
          and loaded chamber indicators both have long histories on autopistols in
          America and aren’t some new invention of lawyer-phobic safety nazis.

          Pretty much all of the earliest American pocket autos had one or the
          other at one time, and it absolutely makes sense when you think that
          America used to be Revolver Nation. Anybody can tell if a revolver is
          loaded by glancing at it, and it can be rendered inert by opening the
          cylinder, but the most common novice error (or non-novice not paying
          attention error) is to get the order wrong in the whole “remove magazine
          and then rack slide” thing.

          Colt 1903 and 1906? Mag safeties. Savage 1907? LCI. H&R Self-Loading
          .32? Both. Only the Smith and Remington didn’t feature them and they
          both had “belt-and-suspenders” manual and grip safeties.

          As time went by, the Savage dropped the LCI and the H&R dropped the
          mag safety as unnecessarily complex and unneeded, but I find it
          interesting that they were around even back then.

          - Tamara Keel

          In an ideal world, I’d like mag disconnect safeties on all my pistols.
          The last pistol I tested that offered them — the M&P — I chose the
          mag disconnect version and never once had a problem from it. There are
          two main benefits:

          Ability to disable the gun during a grab attempt.
          One agency I used to work with had a filing cabinet full of reports of
          just its own personnel who’d experienced this on the street. While I’m
          certainly not saying it’s a be-all end-all solution to FUTting around
          with someone, letting the guy have your (non-functional) pistol while
          you draw your backup beats losing your (functional) pistol and being
          shot by it. At least, I would assume so.

          Added layer of anti-stupid during administrative handling.
          While no number of mechanical safeties can or should excuse poor gun
          handling, a mag disconnect can reduce the odds of humans producing human
          errors with loaded guns during one of the most common periods of
          carelessness: administrative handling.

          Against that are the common complaints:…

          - Todd Greene

        • ChuckFinley

          One of the corollaries to Murphy’s Law is, “You can never design anything to be foolproof because fools are so ingenious.”

          Don’t point a gun at anyone unless you are willing to shoot them. It is common courtesy and everybody ought to be taught that when they are children.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            All children were taught that when I was a kid. You could pretty much leave the old glass gun case open and not one kid would mess with it.

          • big banana

            That is the way I was raised. Some are still raised that way.

        • big banana

          Safety devices cannot overcome criminal negligence. Pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger is a criminal act.

    • David Kachel

      This is absolutely nothing like a PPK. If it weren’t for Ian Fleming, that oversized, badly designed web slicer would have died out long ago. The only gun I ever shot that was worse was the Mauser Hsc, which looked wonderful and had absolutely nothing else going for it.
      A grip safety is essential on a gun with no thumb safety and magazine safeties are only useful for making the ignorant feel secure, and occasionally, dead!

      • David Hilliard

        Oh, I dunno. Different strokes for different folks. I’ve owned and carried a PP and a PPK/S for years and both are concealable, accurate and reliable. I’m completely sure either one would get me out of trouble, if needed.

        I’m looking forward to the R51. I hope I get the first on my block.

  • Mark N.

    I like it. I can only hope that the California roster will be defeated in court. As it is, this nice piece lacks almost all of the features required to make the roster and be sold to us little people–no external safety, no magazine safety, no LCI (and of course, no microstamping technology, but I think that the days of this required feature are limited). [The irony is that my Kahr purchased a few months ago lacks all of these features too, but has been sold here for so long it has been grandfathered in.]

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Geez that state has some real morons making the gun laws. I guess you could call the grip safety an external one. It partially is but I guess it’s what a non gun person perceives it to be.
      I hope the roster is defeated but only time will tell. That’s one thing about California you can’t use common sense to figure out what they’ll do!

      • FourString

        Yep. Throw out the gun-hatin’ legislators and California would be more or less perfect sigh.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          It sure would be a start! I’ve had several friends who were too invested in their jobs to move but did as soon as they retired.

    • Nolan

      Well, there’s always the single shot exemption!

      • FourString

        Exactly what I was thinking. A little extra moolah, but it’s always possible, unless the firearm manufacturer simply doesn’t produce 10 rounders or less (FNH FNX series had this issue for a while when it was first introduced).

    • David Kachel

      Magazine safety: Something devised to give new gun owners something to fiddle with on day one; removing it! They are good for absolutely nothing else!

    • DrewN

      Isn’t that hole on top of the slide a LCI?

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        I suppose it could be. I never really paid much attention to it.

    • FourString

      Yep. Dat grandfathering doe. On the one hand, I know that a few firearm shops in Norcal do Single Shot Exemptions. That could be one way to get a new pistol sans the dumb magazine safety into your collection, including the Gen 4 Glock’s, if I’m not mistaken. I’m so sad because getting an FN FNS9, let alone its competition length variant, seems like it would be difficult…

  • Vhyrus

    Holy ray guns, Batman!

    I’m actually seriously interested in this, especially at that price. This may end up burying the XDS.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      We actually talked about the other guns this one could unseat. There are several that came up in the conversation. My vote was taking sales away from the LC9. Who knows the XDS might lose some as well.

    • Tim U

      I don’t see it being the end of any of the other pocket guns, but this WILL put a dent in the sales of them all across the board. It’s $100 less than a Shield, $150-200 less than an XD-S.

      I was in the market this year. I was debating XD-S vs Shield. Now, I am seriously thinking of abandoning both and going with this one as my gun of 2014.

  • Ben 10

    this is a great start for the year 2014.

  • Sable

    I would sell my soul for one of those NOW.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Oh well we all have to wait until February:-(

    • FourString

      this reminds me of the P226 Elite SAO that I really want ><
      mmmm beaaaaver..tail

  • RetroG

    I may pick this up and retire my Kahr.

    • RocketScientist

      Was thinking the exact same thing. When this comes out in 40 it very well may replace, or at least supplement my EDC CW40. Have to see how it shoots of course.

  • Annika R

    AHHHHH THANK YOU!!! I can’t believe it! A major arms manufacturer has brought a good, innovative design back from the past and updated it in a smart fashion… this is simply incredible. Way to go Remington.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Steve and I were talking about this very thing. It’s appealing to see an old design modernized and brought back to life like this.
      It’s certainly not what I expected when they said we have a new pistol.

    • David Kachel

      There is only one other turn of the century semi-auto handgun design I can think of that could also be successfully updated, providing a useful alternative to existing designs, and that is the Savage. Wouldn’t that be great!! But then I would have the same dilemma every morning…
      Remington? Savage? Remington? Savage? I gotta get more pockets!

      • Annika R

        You mean the rotating barrel delayed blowback design? I think I remember reports indicated that the hoped for bullet-rifling-twist-delay effect wasn’t particularly effective and as a result the .45 model had excessive recoil. Are you talking about a different design or do you have an idea about how that aspect could be improved?

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          The R-51 is not a rotating design. I put an AVI in the post that shows how it operates. If the R-51 was sized up it could handle a 45 acp fairly easy. They actually made a prototype in 45 to try and compete with the 1911 and it actually won the test between the two. The 1911 was already too far down the road in the procurement process to change over.
          It’s rather interesting that General George S. Patton carried one in WWII. His had four stars mounted into his grips:-)

          • Darren

            I think he was referring to the Savage that competed against the Colt in the army trials that led to the adoption of the 1911. The Savage did have the rotating barrel.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            gotcha

          • Annika R

            She and yes I was referring to the Savage. I’ve been a long time fan of Pedersen’s “hesitation lock” design and have even been in talks with established designers about what it would take to bring the design back to life. Needless to say I was pretty surprised to see this development. If you haven’t already checked it out, have a look at the Rem-Pedersen Model 53 as well, an exposed-hammer .45 acp variant of the 51 tested by the Navy. Maybe Remington will follow up with a new R-53 to compete with 1911s…

            http://rareantiqueandbeautifulfirearms.tumblr.com/post/40631299690/heres-a-neat-one-many-firearms-enthusiasts-are

          • gunsandrockets

            Bringing back the R-53, what an excellent idea. I was wondering the same thing. If Remington does, I hope the old clean styling remains and Remington doesn’t uglify it with bulky rail mounts and such.

          • strongarm

            The old R51 works in “Hesitating Blowback” system which is
            differed from others having an initial simple blowback recoiling
            action to reach to the “Semi-Locked Hesitating Stage” which
            is roughly 3milimeters which is equal to the distance needed
            for the projectile’s way out of barrel for .380″ ACP round with
            old R51 slide weight. So, the so called locking motion begins
            at just moment when its need ends. Therefore, it only creates
            help to reduce the recoil spring strenght. However, its design
            was not to provide an alternative way of slide locking but,
            simply finding another way to build a slide not interfering to
            the rights of Browning’s “Unitary slide with breechbolt”patent
            been existing in that time.

            The new R51 should have another way to stand with the
            power of 9mm round since initial blowback action with this
            light slide would not manage the expected recoil and it may
            use; Thompson like Blish Lock, or deepened chamber, or
            auxlary gas vents like HK P70, or so on…Time will show.

          • Chuck

            George would do that, he loved those stars. There were two great officer’s uniforms in WWII: all those that the German officers wore and then the personal style of Patton. Couldn’t beat them! It’s been said that if there was a contest of the best looking WWII uniforms, the Germans would win hands down.

        • supergun

          Shoot the Springfield XDs 45 and you will never go back.

          • Bill from Boomhower, Texas

            Keep in mind, this is supposed to be a concealed carry gun, for all you guys wanting 10 and 12 rnd capability, so, is this gun supposed to be a single action, like a 1911? I have always appreciated a light and accurate trigger action of shooting revolvers in single action mode for plinking or hunting,but in a small concealable pocket auto, the terribly insensitive double action seems the only real safe action for self defense. More ammo capacity means more gun to have to conceal too. I just bought two new XDs guns in melonite, and I don’t see where this gun compares, really. One in 9mm for my wife, and one in .45acp for myself. They each have the extended mags with grip extentions for backup, which actually make them feel like a whole different larger gun. They came with interchangeable grip inserts for larger hands as well as Crimson Trace Laserguards for each. The only problem that presents is they won’t fit the Kydex holsters with lasers installed, and right now, I don’t think there are many holster options, rigged as such yet, but I’m on the lookout. The price on the Remington looks promising, and for lengthy practice sessions, the prospect of having a suppressor seems like a welcomed advantage, but again, isn’t this supposed to be a conceal carry pocket defense gun, even though it may resemble a European James Bond gun?

          • KnoxTN

            Bill, take a look at http://www.firearmholster.com. They have a version for XDs with Crimson Trace. It can be worn inside the waistband or outside the waistband. It has a leather base, Kydex shell, and a wool layer on the body side for comfort. It is reasonably priced as well.

      • gunsandrockets

        There are some old Savage .32 pistols for sale here and there and I was contemplating getting one. But then I read one review online which complained that the Savage not only had heavy recoil (hard to believe since it’s just a .32) but also had a horrendously heavy trigger pull (also hard to believe since it’s single action). Does that review strike you as accurate?

    • supergun

      I have a Springfield XDs 45 about the same size as this Remington. And it is a small cannon. I Love my XDs 45acp. Very bad to the bone.

  • Axel

    This is awesome. One of my best TFB visits in months. Very cool, Remington. So many features on this thing that makes me think they’re gonna sell very large numbers of this pistol. The price point is also so cool. So many design aspects that are just amazing. It’s so smart to go with an SA trigger to make the gun more shootable. New shooters will love it. Experinced shooters will love it. //Mechanical engineering/industrial design student

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I also have the feeling they will sell a huge number of these. With the features and that price I can’t see anything here but a winner.

  • Geoff a well known Skeptic

    I predict a street price of about $2,000 as the collectors grab them before Remington discontinues the pistol. Geoff Who passed on a 51 once. Sigh.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      They really are behind this one. I don’t see how it would be dropped.

  • Don Barbarossa

    Looks a lot like a Vektor CP1

  • JT

    I was thinking .380 was the ceiling for fixed barrels. All I wanted was a 9mm CZ 83, but I guess this comes close

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      No with the Pederson action it has a delayed release which reduces pressure before the block opens and the brass is ejected. It’s actually a strong action and will be available in 40 caliber at a later date.

      • JT

        well, fixed barrel, obviously it’s a different action. I loved fixed barrel guns

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          They sure tend to be more accurate

  • AntiCitzenOne

    give me two and I will try and put RMRs on them…

  • JFKToo

    I hope this pistol really takes off for Remington. I was in Ilonia NY in June of last year for training at the Remington factory there. I was impressed mostly by the pride of the workers in building the best products. There is not much going on in the area, most manufacturing has closed down and moved overseas. Remington is one of the last places standing. I really hope this pistol succeeds for them.

  • aweds1

    I see this and think, “Can Colt bring back a refreshed 1903 Hammerless”, too?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Now that’s an idea—

    • David Kachel

      I would go for that too, as long as they put grownup cartridge in it. That gun in .40 would be great.

    • bill

      That would be neat. I have a 32 I know they were made in 380. Not much tuning on the exterior dimentions and a 9mm would work. .40 I don’t think would work though. I just loaded a box of 32 HP for my 1903 last night as a matter of fact.

  • M.M.D.C.

    Wow, I’m genuinely excited. I liked it when I saw it and I read the review waiting for the caveat but it didn’t come.
    I really like it that it doesn’t have a thumb safety. I think we have a winner.

  • TangledThorns

    Looks futuristic and retro at the same time. Nice to know that it works well. Shame my Beretta Nano doesn’t :(

  • Colby

    I love it’s unabashed “space gun” looks, the features, the price, and the fact that it is not polymer. So long as unionized trolls don’t screw up the quality control like they have on the Versamax shotguns I’ve seen, then I’ll be on the R51 bandwagon for maybe a pair of them for my wife and I.

    The Kimber Solo is the gun that the R51 is rely going to hurt. The rest of the polymer compact nines will be able to remain competitive with it by simply dropping their prices lower than the R51. So then the competition this gun provides in the market, so long as it is well made, represents a likely benefit to all consumers, even those who prefer polymer guns over the R51,

    I even at the same price I could see a market for a .22lr version of the R51 for owners to use as trainers for their 9mm versions.

    Very exciting.

    What type of finish is on the slide and frame? Is it bluing it some type of nitride (preferable) finish?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      It’s a melonite type finish

      • Tim U

        They just keep making it a better and better deal. Thanks for the early warning on these!

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          Our pleasure. You have no ideas how hard it was to keep my mouth shut since the day I saw and shot these!

      • Sulaco

        That’s the new finish the Glock’s use also right? Changed from the Tenifer cause the Tenifer was toxic (?) Cyinide gas or some such….

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          Yes Tennifer was found to emir Cyanide gas. Just about everyone is using some form of Melonite treatment these days and why not it works well.

    • Sable

      I’m just trying to figure out why someone would prefer a polymer gun over this…

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        I sure wouldn’t but we all have our preferences.

      • bitter clinger

        I like the look and price of the R51, but there are good reasons someone might prefer a polymer gun. The Kahr PM9 is 20% lighter, 0.5″ shorter in both height and length (about 10%), and nearly 0.1″ thinner (again about 10%). Is that enough of a difference to justify an extra $300? Maybe not. We’ll see how the sales numbers shake out.

        • Sable

          I always abide by the rule of ten, once a 10% increase in performance costs you 10x the price, the value is simply no longer there.

          The R51 is already saving me 10 ounces, is a 100% price increase really worth the extra 4 ounces? And besides, that Kahr trigger is LOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGG. With the grip safety there is no need for that in this design. I might be talked into seeing a justification for making one of these with a polymer frame, but some of us working guys just don’t have that kind of cash to throw around.

        • big banana

          I expect this trigger will be infinitely better than a Kahr. How do you figure a $300 price difference? The R51 is expected top go for less than $400.

      • BryanS

        If it comes down to weight for pocket carry, its fairly easy to see. Also, if it fits your hands, the recoil agrees with you, an you like the trigger.

    • FourString

      Speaking of “space gun”, the rear of the R51’s slide definitely reminds me of the Vektor CP1’s, except in a much more functional/effective package! (The South African pistol made numerous appearances in Battlestar Galactica, hence “space gun”)

  • Pete Sheppard

    VERY interesting! I need to dig around to get a better comparison with the Kel-Tec PF9 and P11. The curvy ‘art deco’ look is indeed attractive with this pistol

  • Nate Berkus

    What is the frame material made of? Poly or aluminum?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Aluminum—-

  • bjgbore

    could anyone tell me if its safe to shoot +p ammo from a s&w model 60 snub nose.thanks

    • Cybrludite

      Any steel post-1958 Smith & Wesson should be OK with +P ammo.

  • Tim U

    How big is it, compared to the S&W Shield? Overall width?

    I was originally thinking I was going to buy a Shield this year, but this has suddenly caught my attention to replace it.

  • mikie

    That is a gorgeous gun.

  • Doug Ralph

    That’s about the most “comfortable” looking gun I have seen in a long time. I would certainly consider it for IWB carry.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      It’s very comfortable and points very well–

  • wetcorps

    This is… refreshing :)

  • Douglas Moore

    How much for extra mags?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I haven’t seen a price on the extra mags but I understand they won’t be in that $30 range.

      • Douglas Moore

        Well, that’s good. Hopefully they’ll be in that $8.95 price range. ;)

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          LOL—I wouldn’t go that low!

  • Andrew

    DO WANT

  • Capsaicin

    I wonder if there is any potential for caliber conversions knowing that the barrel isn’t pinned to the frame.

    Anyone else wondering what it’d look like with a nicely finished wood grip insert?

    Also, sign me up!

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      The grip insert I would expect. It will come from Remington or from the accessory market.
      A 40 cal conversion will be coming out.

  • Larry Nutter

    When you start from the ground up to build a concealed weapon package, you should equal or exceed what is already on the market. The Ruger LC9 and Beretta Nano are both several ounces lighter. The Remington should have weighed 17 ounces. Every ounce counts when you are attempting to conceal a weapon. I love the fixed barrel with the tilting action instead of the other way around, neat idea.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      The Nano weighs in at 20 oz also. The Ruger is 17 ounces.

      • Larry Nutter

        I hate to be wrong, but apparently I am. I had seen previous references to the Nano weighing 17 ounces. You are correct, it is 19.97 ounces. There are several 17 ounce 9mm pistols to include the Ruger and Kimber Solo.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          Yep that’s true. I’ve found over the years that an increase of 5 ounces makes a difference to me. An increase of 2 or 3 ounces is barely noticeable for me at least. I’m 6 foot and 189 pounds so I’m not a big guy.

    • David Kachel

      I’ve held and shot those guns. You have GOT to be kidding?!!
      The model 51 Remington was always a superior weapon. I’m guessing the new version is even better. The Ruger and the Nano aren’t even in the same class.

  • borekfk

    It’ll be awesome if Remington produces a retro model that looks like the original Model 51.

  • Dr. Frank

    Gun is very futuristic looking.

    BTW- A professional writer should know there is no apostrophe in the possessive form. It should be 1930s and not 1930’s.

    • RocketScientist

      Actually, there IS an apostrophe used in the possessive form (ie Bob’s gun) with the notable exception of the pronoun possessives (his, her/hers, its). You are correct that it should be 1930s, not 1930’s. However this is because it is used as a PLURAL form (not as a POSSESSIVE). That is, it is referring to the multiple years that comprise the decade of the 1930s. If it were the possessive form (like you referenced) it WOULD require an apostrophe (ie 1937’s brutal winter). If you’re gonna be an online grammar Nazi, at least know your grammar.

      • anonymou’s

        > If you’re gonna be an online grammar Nazi,

        > at least know your grammar.

        Didn’t we defeat the grammar Nazis in the 1940’s?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      We all make mistakes don’t we:-) No excuse but Steve is on vacation and we tend to proof each others post.

  • R. Skinner

    There are two triggers pictured; one skeleton and one “full”. Is this different models or just different points in the development process?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Just different points in it’s development. All of the ones we shot had skeleton triggers.

  • DaveP.

    Here’s one I didn’t see. Where’s it manufactured?
    If the QA/QC is any good at all (i.e. the gun doesn’t have bad reliability from the factory and there isn’t a major recall in the first year) this is gonna outsell Glock’s current “good idea” by so big a margin Gaston’s gonna pop an ulcer.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Here in the USA. Gaston may indeed pop an ulcer over this one. I still can’t believe Glock came out with that 380

      • DaveP.

        In extremely limited defense, Glock was already making the .380 (or at least *a* .380) for the foreign market; this might just have been Glock’s lawyers/lobbyists finally coming up with a way to get enough points for import or evade the ‘sporting purposes’ issue entirely by producing in the states.
        That having been said, I own a bunch of Glocks… and I just can’t see the little thing selling. Why buy a .380 when I can buy a Model 26 and still have a Glock?

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          I agree I just don’t see the market for it.

  • ChrisJ

    What I really need to know is how is the steel finished? Being an active outdoorsman in the Pacific Northwest means that this gun will be wet or sweaty a significant portion of the time. So any finish short of a nitride is likely to come up short.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      It’s a Melonite type finish so it should hold up well.

  • John Laurito

    Is it one of those deals where “it’s a good pistol for the money?” Or does it have a feel of quality regardless of the price?? Looks great, I just hate flimsy guns. I’m probably one of the few people that doesn’t mind a little heft to a carry gun. They feel better in my hand.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      It’s not a flimsy gun by any means. It lives up to my picky standards.

  • Scott Wilson

    I’d bet recoil is as bad as the Walther PPK, a visual cousin.

    7+1 may appeal to some people, but not this person.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Recoil is a real surprise. The Pederson action with the delayed blowback reduces felt recoil a good deal. Recoil is the last concern on this pistol.

      • Scott Wilson

        I’ve vowed to buy a few more Remingtons after and only after they abandon the gun control mecca where they are headquartered.
        I’ll check one of these out then. Its size might make it a good backup gun.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          I doubt you’ll see a move. That’s a ton of money for an organization as large as they are. We can always hope though.

          • Scott Wilson

            If they stay, our family will never buy a new Remington again.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            I imagine they will—-

          • Scott Wilson

            Meanwhile, the first Berettas and Colts stamped as made in their new locations will be finding their ways to our gun safes as soon as they are available — to reward gun manufacturers for abandoning traitors.

        • David Kachel

          I’m pretty sure the anti-gun crowd moved in on Remington and not the other way around. Why don’t you direct your anger where it will do more good? I’m buying one of these, maybe two, the day it hits the shelves.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            We’ve seen smaller companies move which is great but there’s no way a place as large as Remington can move. It’s just way too much money to even consider.
            That and they were there long before this statewide anti-gun garbage started.

          • David Kachel

            Well, if they are giving it any thought at all, Texas will make certain it is worth their while. I’ll carry their dammed refrigerator on my back if it’ll get them to Texas!

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            No doubt Texas is the best choice!

          • Scott Wilson

            I direct my ire toward the enemies of freedom on literally a daily basis, Brother.
            And I intend to reward those who abandon traitor-states.
            Saying Remington can’t afford to move leads me to encourage you to consider facts before making such statements. No offense intended, of course.

          • David Kachel

            OK, why don’t you tell us how you arrived at the conclusion that Remington is an ‘enemy of freedom’?

          • Scott Wilson

            Never said they were, David.

            But they are continuing to fund the enemies of freedom in their State with their Firearms Plant and Custom Shop. http://www.remington.com/en/pages/our-company/our-company/company-info.aspx

            Yet apparently, they know the South is where their future lies judging by their expansion into Southern operations.

            I boycott their State where they make guns. Will not give them a dime.

            Colt wised up and is heading South. So is Beretta. Other smaller concerns are already gone. More will follow.

            Those who do should be rewarded.
            Meanwhile, giving Remington money to make firearms their own employees are not allowed to purchase is not on my agenda. Your mileage obviously varies.

    • David Kachel

      You didn’t read the article. It would be impossible for recoil to be comparable. The Walther is straight blowback in .380 and the Remington is locked breech in 9mm.
      It is very likely the Remington will be less rude.

      • Scott Wilson

        My Walther I got rid of due to insane recoil for the caliber was a 9mm.

        It was very pretty, bordering beautiful. But felt recoil was akin to a .357 magnum, with much less ass on it.

        • David Kachel

          Interesting. The Walther PPK is a blowback operated weapon and therefore cannot remotely handle the 9mm Luger cartridge which is far too powerful for it. It would simply explode. You are probably thinking that 9mm Luger and 9mm Short (Corto, Kurz, .380) are the same cartridge. They are not. The Walther is chambered for the much weaker .380 cartridge.
          Though the PPK is indeed overly rude for its mouse gun caliber, it is not remotely similar to the .357 under any circumstances.
          It is better to keep silent and allow people to think you are ignorant, than to open your mouth and prove it!

          • Scott Wilson

            You’re actually right. Now that you mention it, that piece of crap was a .380. I so thoroughly blocked the experience from my mind I erred. It happens. :-)
            You’re right about confusing 9mm Luger with .380, as well. It happens.

            But I’m telling you this: running hot loads through that thing was less forgiving than the S&W 686 we shot alongside it, to multiple people who took turns on both. Something about the way it came back just plain hurt the wrists of all who shot both guns.
            Felt recoil matters more then muzzle flip to some people. Count me among them. And no study or scientific explanation would convince any of us that the gun was worth keeping.

          • David Kachel

            I have owned a half dozen PPKs. Though I would not call it a piece of crap, I always found it quite lacking. It is also not designed for “hot loads”, though it is questionable whether or not that nomenclature can be applied to any mouse gun caliber with a straight face. If it hurt your wrist, it is highly likely you were not holding it properly. Most newbies do not, without proper instruction, and even then, continue to insist on holding a firearm improperly. Even with reckless handloads, the .380 simply doesn’t have the power to do what you describe, unless your hand is not as high on the grip as it is possible to place it, where it belongs.

            The S&W 686, of which I owned three prior to selling off everything that didn’t start with a four, is designed to make the magnum cartridge recoil more manageable. Even so, the only possible way the recoil of that gun could be more tolerable than the Walther is if you happened to be shooting 38’s instead of 357s, an extremely common practice. Most people will not spend their expensive factory 357s at the range, but will take weaker 38s instead. You were almost certainly shooting 38s… a cakewalk in that frame size.

            The big drawback to the PPK is slide bite. If you did not have two sharp little blood trails on the back of the web of your hand, you were not holding it properly. (Some people’s anatomy lets them avoid this, but most Walther owners bleed for their guns.)

          • Sulaco

            Can’t remember the name off hand but didn’t a Spanish “plumber’s nightmare” gun handle 9mm (Largo) and was a blow back. Did it rather well I think, but recoil was harsh…

  • hilarycable

    I love its curvaceous good looks and you can’t beat the price!

  • Bang

    Ok, good article but how big is it compared to the other single stack 9s on the market? Some sense of perspective would be helpful.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Remington compares them to the LC9, Beretta Nano, Kimber Solo and the Shield. Those are the guns they compare the R51 with and the target competition.

    • Bang

      Oh, and the rear sight is on backwards, LOL.

      • Gil Vietor

        No, latest thing is being able to rack the slide with your belt, boot, enemy’s jaw with the rear sight.

    • Duray

      Do you own a ruler?

  • David Kachel

    This is an absolutely brilliant move on Remington’s part. I was going to buy a Solo this year. No longer. I loved my old Model 51, hated the thumb safety. This is same great design, better caliber, no thumb safety. The perfect pocket gun. And I can buy two of these for the price of one Kimber!

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      That price will make buying a much easier decision! Interesting that a good number of comments have talked about buying two. One for the wife and one for themselves.

      • David Kachel

        Two for me. Let her get her own! ;-)

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          LOL–that will get you in trouble!

      • Colby

        Yes sir. I’m on the “one for me, and one for her list” if it turns out to be as good as it looks.

        The reason I like it is because the rounded profile and organic looking lines indicate that it will be a more comfortable gun to carry IWB and will have less of a tendency to print through clothing, unlike more squared off designs. Furthermore, by the looks of the grip, the weight, the trigger description, and the aesthetics, the firearm could be equally appealing to female shooters. Also at the price, a pair of them would mean that spouses don’t have to juggle guns back and forth. It has happened many times in my house that the conversation goes something like “Hey honey, can I borrow your .380 (or whatever) today, I can’t carry anything else in these clothes.” Then, until I bought another suitable firearm for those situations, she ended up going unarmed while I borrowed her pistol. That’s not good.

        I also think they should make a .22 cross trainer for the pistol to save ammo cost. That is if anyone could actually find .22 ammo anymore.

    • Sulaco

      Never shot an original 51. What is it about the thumb safety that everyone comments on? Even I think David K saying it would get you killed?

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        It wasn’t always reliable. Safety on boom!

  • David Kachel

    Is the .40 ready yet, huh, is it?
    How about now?
    Now?
    ;-)
    Any projected date on the .40? I really consider 9mm to be just the king of the mouse calibers. Sold everything I had that didn’t start with a 4 a while back.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      The literature says TBA. My guess is summer—

  • David Kachel

    For those of you not familiar with the original Remington 51, it was a notably superior weapon with two exceptions: the thumb safety could get you killed and the price was way over the top. Neither difficulty applies with this new weapon. The new one uses the same basic design concept. If the quality of the new weapon is on a par with the old, this is going to be a better pocket gun than whatever it is that you currently have or covet.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Very good comment. As many thousands of rounds we fired they just ran and ran. I saw that one FTF but that was all I noticed all afternoon.
      I think eight guys firing darn near non stop with some very hot guns pretty well takes care of the reliability question. We really did abuse them. I think that also speaks to the build quality.

  • Rob

    I like the new pistol. I had never heard of the Pederson action before, but looked it up. Very interesting, and similar in concept to the delayed blowback of the HK91 action. I assume the aluminum frame would need a steel insert at the locking lug that engages the bolt for lockup. All in all, pretty cool, and a helluva good price.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      It’s an interesting action and pretty strong as well.

  • Mike

    I’m lucky in that I own an original model 51. Looking forward to checking out the new version. Great job Remington!

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      That would be neat to do a side by side comparison.

      • Mike

        I may have to do that. I love the original, passed down to me by my grandfather. Carried it for a few years as a backup and off duty weapon.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          It would serve both those purposes very well—

  • gdsmith3rd

    So, Glock’s new G42 .380 isn’t cool enough, but Remington comes in with another (yawn) 9 mil, and everyone jumping for joy? Really?

    • DaveP.

      ^^didn’t actually read the article

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        Read it guy you might like it:-)

    • David Kachel

      You didn’t read it, did you?!

    • Tim U

      It’s a new (or rather re-vitalized and updated) design to the market. Not just “another 9mm.” Nothing else on the market works exactly like it. On top of that, the price point on this is amazing compared to the competitor’s single stack 9mm pocket pistols.

      The Glock 42 could have made a bigger splash in the market if it was 9mm, but being a .380 the same size as everybody else’s 9mm made it boring and stagnant. Not to mention how so far it’s going to be priced just like every other Glock.

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        There ya go– That about covers it. You can buy two of these or one Glock 380. A no brainer at least for me.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Really—- Glocks pistol is not something I would be interested in at all. I’m not much of a 380 fan when I can have a 9mm.
      This new R-51 has some interesting history behind it first of all. Then the way the safety works, very reliable and it’s not plastic. The Pederson action is strong enough to have a compact pistol in 40 caliber.

    • RocketScientist

      Really. People jump for joy when Remington comes in with a 9mm (soon to be .40) autoloader with a unique action principle that allows for reduced recoil, lighter weight, fixed barrel (potentially more accurate?) and a lower bore axis, as well as unique looks. Oh and it is based on (and named after) a historically significant and very collectible firearm that a lot of people like. And its dirt cheap. And it looks sexy. Yeah, i don’t get it either…

    • Guest

      Just a second. I am trying to imagine something LESS exciting than a new Glock coming out, which is pretty much like all the other Glocks, but in the anemic .380 caliber.

      Nope…I can’t think of anything.

  • David Kachel

    “A 40 cal conversion will be coming out”
    Phil, do I understand correctly? There will be both a .40 caliber gun and a conversion kit to .40 for the 9mm pistol? That would be slick.

    • Tim U

      .40 conversion as well? Sign me up. 9mm for most of the time, .40 for when ammo gets harder to find again. I could find .40 a lot easier than I could anything else for semi-automatic handguns during the last panic that hit.

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        40 cal is much easier to find. My local shop has plenty of 9mm so hopefully things are back to normal in Missouri:-)

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Oh no I guess I wasn’t clear answering the other reader. As far as I know there is a 40 caliber version coming out in a few months. I haven’t heard anything about a conversion kit. You can buy a barrel for suppressor use.
      Considering the Pederson setup you would need to change out the block and barrel which might be doable.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Sorry about the misunderstanding

  • Bob Z Moose

    Do want. Love the old school European/early American auto styling and Remington did not disappoint.

    Only concern I have is something like the SR9 problems that Ruger had with the 1st run. Other than that, it all seems solid.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Time will tell but as much as we shot these guns and the amount of time many people dedicated to getting it right the first time I don’t expect to see any problems crop up. The head engineer was present when we were on the range and I got the impression he was very dedicated to this pistol.

    • Sulaco

      Much as I like this thing, I always worry about being a “beta tester”.

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        I know they’ve tested this one very well. The head engineer gave us a brief and they spared no effort in getting it right. Of course they had a great platform to start with. I can’t wait for mine to arrive. I already have a Galco holster and mag pouch for it:-)

  • David Kachel

    Just read that this is being made by Para for Remington. True? Big downside. Para’s quality control ain’t all that wonderful.

    • Anonymoose

      And the other Freedom Group Companies’ QC is?

      • David Kachel

        Don’t know.

        • David Sharpe

          Horrible.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            Paras is really back to where it should be—seriously–

          • David Sharpe

            I was talking about Remingtons, I had an 870 that was an absolute POS.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            Ok I missed that one huh! I haven’t shot very many of the new 870’s. Mine is an older one reworked by a friend at the Memphis PD years ago.

          • David Sharpe

            Older ones are good, new ones jam up due to heat.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            That’s interesting. I wouldn’t think an 870 would create that much heat. I like the old ones anyway with the nice wood.

          • David Sharpe

            After about 20 shells it heats up and warps so much that you cannot work the action.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            Man I can’t understand that! 20 rounds geez!!! That’s pretty crazy.

          • Sulaco

            Had a Mossberg that did the same thing. The shell spoon, that part in the slid that supported and fed the shell into the chamber when pumped would warp out of shape when several shells were fired and jamb the action solid till it cooled down. Mossberg sent out new replacement parts to correct that error. Sounds like the 870 is re-creating the problem…

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            It sounds like it. I’m really very surprised the 870 is having that problem.

          • David Kachel

            I don’t doubt you, but what Para failed to understand is that once you allow QC to slip and do so long enough to acquire the reputation they obviously have, it takes a long, loooong, looooooooooong time to get past that reputation, if ever!
            You simply cannot allow QC to slip when you make an item on which people’s lives depend.
            Example: there is absolutely NOTHING that Filipino gun manufacturers could possibly EVER do to make me forget the completely horrible piece of Filipino pot metal I made the mistake of buying a couple of years back. It looked like a 1911. It was pretty like competing 1911s, but it fell apart like a 1950s cap pistol.
            (Anybody need any Colt parts fitted to a Filipino cap pistol?)

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Yes there were some QC problems at first but those are long past. Some Canadian parts were used and other things contributing to the early QC problems. Remington has addressed those.
      I can say from hands on experience with the newer Paras I shot at Gunsite that the QC is now very good. We actually had one of every Para pistol made. We also shot the crud out of them. I’d say I shot 15 models with no malfunctions. All total I shot just under 500 rounds among those pistols.

      • David Kachel

        Why would QC for this new gun not be on topic? Or is Para not making this gun for Remington?
        Also, you do realize that any guns Para knows it is sending to be reviewed by a bunch of gun writers all at the same time, are not very likely to be straight off the shelf, right? If it were me, I would certainly make the effort to be sure I wasn’t sending you guys a dud. That could be a very costly, and easily avoided, mistake. Not saying you are incorrect about Para’s QC problems being a thing of the past, but it certainly is cause for concern if they are in fact making the new 51.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          You lost me on the not on topic deal? I’ll find out for certain on the location of manufacture and let you know when I get an answer back.

          Ah ok I was still typing and editing my comment when you saw the off topic part. I’d taken that out before I submitted the reply. It is very much on topic.

  • LAMan

    Please help a Rem 51 addict–how do I pre-order one? The original version is in my safe and I carry and shoot it often, as it’s the best-pointing pistol I’ve ever held, and I’m a fan of point-shooting as articulated by Fairbairn, Sykes and Applegate. With its breechblock system, it’s definitely the softest-shooting .380 I’ve tried. Pedersen put in a huge effort to create a grip angle and shape that would exceed anything else on the market, and it’s commonly agreed that he succeeded. Pedersen is indeed THE John Pedersen of Pedersen Device fame, and he also prpared a .45 ACP version that the US Navy tested successully in 1917. The pistol went nowhere as we mobilized for WWI with the 1911 we’d recently adopted. The supersecret Pedersen Device would have allowed every Doughboy

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I see you’re a history fan as am I. You sure got your facts straight on this one. Browning did indeed refer to Pederson as the best gun designer of his time.

      Really all you need to do is go to the local gun shop you frequent and tell them you would like to order an R-51. They should be able to place the order for you within a couple of days if not sooner.

      My local shop has already ordered a dozen.

  • Suicidal Cat

    So are there any plans for a .45 model in the works?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Not that I’m aware of just the 40 cal.

  • Dewayne

    It is one of very few if not the only 6/4/1(size) series pistol that will handle +P 9mm ammo.

    • RealityCheck2014

      My Ruger LC9, the primary gun this new Remington was created to compete with, is fine with limited use of +P ammo. Not with +P+ though. The LC9 also has a long DAO trigger many don’t like, of course.

      If this Remington proves to be reliable with standard 115gr FMJ target ammo (the Kimber Solo isn’t for example) it’s single-action style trigger may be the thing that makes this an LC-9 killer in the CCW market. I am very interested, but since I already have the LC9 I am not going to be an early adapter. I will give the Remington at least until the end of 2014 to see how the early production models hold up.

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        The R-51 is stamped 9mm +P so it’s expected you’ll be using +P ammo all the time if you wish to of course. The point being is full time+P won’t faze it.

        After our writers discussion we figured it will ding the LC9 pretty badly.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      True and Remington began by sticking with the true 6-4-1 size parameters.

  • handgunnar

    Looks like a sweet little niner from Remington. Can’t wait to fondle one in person.

  • LAMan

    Sorry for the long rant earlier, but I’m just very pumped. The original 51 in .380 shoots smoother than the .380 PPK, the P238, the Beretta 84, Browning 1910/55; the .32 Browning 1910/22, Browning 1910, and Beretta 1935. Those are the ones I can speak to recently and personally.
    Remington undercut Colt on the price back in the ’20’s, but it didn’t work out.
    The breechblock was finely machined, and apparently it cracked often enough to earn a rep as the gun’s weak point.
    The original was also designed around Browning’s patents, so it had to find ways around grip screws, normal safety levers, etc. Some of this created a rep for complexity, but IIRC the .45 version had fewer parts than the 1911.
    Many are afraid tdisassemble it, but read the directions and do it a couple times and it makes sense.
    If the new version retains the essential handling qualities of the original, with updated technology, a lot of people are in for a pleasant surprise. Slim, proportional, balanced, it will be a fine weapon if well-executed. Based on the initial testing & review, I’m encouraged.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      No big deal rant on:-)

  • LAMan

    to disassemble it. . .

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      How you mean? Remove the slide release. Pull the slide back lift up and move forward and off the frame. The barrel can then be unscrewed from the block if you wish. Much easier than the original.

      • LAMan

        Yes, I saw where you’d stated that in your article. I was just pointing out one of the characteristics of the original gun that spooks a lot of people. It’s not actually that bad on the original, but it’s still a great upgrade that the new gun has a modern takedown concept. Just one more thing I like!

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          Ok I got it now. It is a big plus in the way it takes down. Even though with the old one all you needed was the firing pin it had a rep as a pain to disassemble.

  • WeaponBuilder

    Now if only Savage would come out with an updated Model 1907 in 45 acp

  • nester7929

    This is a must buy for me. Priced reasonably, high quality, single stack, 9mm, low bore axis, fixed barrel, grip safety, and night sights. It’s like somebody personally asked me what I wanted in a concealed carry gun.

    Remington is going to sell so damn many of these that I’d buy stock in them if they were publicly traded.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      This recipe should fit a lot of shooters.

      • nester7929

        Absolutely. I assume the recoil impulse is similar to a ppk?

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          similar to a .380 maybe not exactly the same as a PPK though

          With the delayed blowback and the slight amount of time before the breech block starts back. Maybe more of a push than a snap.

          check the AVI file in the review that shows how the action works. That will give you a better idea.

  • DennisG

    Heck, after reading this I want one that’s a moderate sized .45 with a 4 inch barrel, while keeping the distinctive styling this gun has and the unique action. So long as it would be close to the price tag as well, it would certainly give a lot of 1911 commander style pistols a run for their money, especially if they were able to utilize 1911 commander style magazines. I know I’d like to carry one.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Yea that’s a bit of a reach right now. I don’t see that happening honestly.

  • Lt_Scrounge

    That looks and sounds great. The next question is how many magazines does it come with? How many will be available on the market? And how much will they cost?

    I had a Kahr K9 and wanted to get a new concealed carry pistol. I was thinking about a Kahr CW9 since I already have spare magazines. But if magazines will be readily available at a reasonable price for this pistol, I’d prefer the metal frame to the polymer CW9.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      It will ship with two mags. The exact cost of extra mags is something I don’t have information on. It’s my understanding that they won’t be the expensive $30 plus ones. Mags shouldn’t be hard to get as long as the gun shops order them when they order the pistols.

  • Sulaco

    Giant space RATS! Retired, had all the guns I will ever need…..till now! Thanks loads.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      LOL—you’re welcome!

  • Sulaco

    Now I know what this reminds me of, the Vector CP1 rather similar looks. Always really liked that pistol as well. Hated the recall on the safety issues…

  • Bryan P

    I’m very interested in this but the pictures make me worry about the trigger reach. I have rather small hands (small mens glove) with shorter fingers and it seems as if it has a rather long trigger reach. I wonder what the trigger reach would be comparable to.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      That’s one of those things it’s almost impossible to help you with. You’ll pretty much have to handle one in a gun shop to see if it fits your hand.
      I can say the reach isn’t unusually long.

  • Kyle

    I have fat fingers, to the point that a G19 isn’t quite comfy enough for them. Any word on a pinky extension, extended mag, etc?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Actually Remington took the length of the grip and ensured it would fit most people without the pinky curled under the magazine.
      Now I didn’t see a mag with an extension but that by no means you won’t see Remington make one or one of the aftermarket companies come out with them.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      This is from the NRA website:

      Much of the Model 51’s fame results from its excellent balance and specially-designed grip which positions the gun low in the hand. The grip is angled in relation to the barrel to provide a natural position of the hand and wrist, which gives the pistol excellent pointing qualities for fast and accurate shooting. Hundreds of experiments were made with hand molds to determine the correct shape, length, and pitch to provide the most nearly perfect average grip. The pistol was designed to be as flat as possible with carefully rounded corners.

  • Clair in PA

    Overall it looks to be a very nice and realizable ccw,just wish it Had an acessory Rail of some sort and I would love to see one in 45 acp

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I’m pretty confident we’ll never see a rail on it. That would destroy the classic looks still evident from the original. They would also need to upsize it for a 45 acp.

    • David Kachel

      You missed the point by a couple of miles!

  • James Miller

    Pocket gun? Check.
    9mm? Check.
    Single action? Check.
    Trigger like a 1911? Check.
    Heritage? Check.

    Hey, Pederson was no John Moses Browning, but he wasn’t some random asshole either. This gun has a spot reserved in my collection.

    • RocketScientist

      “Hey, Pederson was no John Moses Browning, but he wasn’t some random asshole either. ”
      This made me laugh a lot. Thanks.

  • Jeff Allen

    How would you compare this in size /weight to say a S&W 3913 Lady Smith?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      It’s lighter and a little thinner. The grip is not as tall and it may be just a hair less in circumference. A bit smaller overall.

      • Jeff Allen

        Thank you.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          Sure anytime at all

  • William Gaylord

    I looked at the article twice and must be missing it. What is the frame, metal or polymer?

    • David Kachel

      Aluminum.

  • Mouse

    The R-51 is by far my favorite pistol ever made. I despise the way this new one looks. Needless lines all over it that do nothing. Curves in the firearm that serve no purpose. What happened to firearms being efficient and ergonomic? Why would you even redesign it, instead of just using the already proven original design.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      The original is a classic no doubt but it was difficult to takedown and only fired a 380 at most.
      The redesign allows for easy takedown and the use of the 9mm and 40 cal.
      I agree the look is futuristic and like all other guns not everyone will like the look.

      • Mouse

        Actually, the US military had them made in .45 ACP for trials, and it outperformed the 1911. They ended up going with the 1911 anyway because it was easier for them to use what they had so much of already.

  • Mir_Nohti

    Sexy. I want one!

  • Todd Kauranen

    Speaking only of the insert, it looks like an after thought as the design line of the edge is not complimenting the rest of the pistol grip. The top radius nearest to the trigger is really bad. and the bottom edge is to close to the very bottom of the pistol grip.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      If you mean the insert at the back of the grip that’s the grip safety. I’m not sure which radius you refer to otherwise.

      • Todd Kauranen

        The large insert on each side of the pistol grip.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          Understood

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      If you refer to the grip insert itself these are pre production guns or prototypes

      • Todd Kauranen

        Even so at this stage of development these proportional issues should of been implemented. These are rudimentary design practices throughout all industries.The design features on the rest of the handgun appear to be well thought out and executed just not this insert.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          Gotcha— I do know they will have a variety of sizes in inserts as well as colors, textures, materials etc.
          I didn’t look at our inserts on the test pistols so I really can’t speak to the overall fitting of those.

  • J.T.

    This is like a giant middle finger to Glock. I typically try to avoid Freedom Group products, but I might have to make an exception for this.

  • vamtns

    only thing that looks funny is the rear sight. Every time i look at it it looks like it is mounted backwards. Maybe drift it out and turn it around….?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Maybe you could or just change it. They did that as part of the dehorning process. You sure won’t snag it.

  • GTP

    How do you feel this compares to the M&P Shield in 9mm?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I don’t own a Shield or shot one enough to give you a comparison. I do know I like the grip much better. The R51 grip is longer allowing me to get all my fingers on the grip. The R51 is more accurate which I attribute to the fixed barrel. I wish I could tell you more.

  • joethefatman

    My wife said no to me getting this. I was even going to trade her my S&W for it. She wants it for herself. At around $350 we just might be getting two.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      In order to stay off the couch that might be a good idea—LOL!

  • jdkchem

    It looks like the grip panels can be swapped out.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      They can and Remington will be selling a good number of grip inserts for various hand sizes as well as color and style choices.

      • Brian Epps

        I imagine Remington will also be collecting a good bit in licensing fees for custom grip makers as well. I know one custom grip shop that paid a mint to Glock for such. Do you know if Remington is going to be licensing custom grip makers or are they going to keep it “in house” for now?

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          That I don’t know Brian we really didn’t discuss licensing. I would think they would be open to allowing grip makers to furnish other grips for the market. It would be very unusual if not.

      • jdkchem

        I saw pearl and thought of the line from Patton.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          LOL—I remember that line—

  • BryanS

    Perfect grip angle… for your hands Phil. I always tell people that accuracy is in the hand of the gun holder… not all grips are created equal.

    “A good deal of time was also spent on getting the grip circumference and
    angle as close to perfect as they could manage. They did a good job
    because the grip not only feels good but it’s a natural pointer. When
    you draw and bring the pistol on target the sights are pretty much lined
    up.”

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Yep that’s what I said alright. I sure didn’t say it would fit everyone as well as it did me. If you’ll note several people have asked if I thought the grip would fit them because–my hands are fat–my hands are small for a lady etc. I didn’t tell one of them it would fit.
      My advice was to visit a gun shop and hold one to be sure. I can add that none of the guys sharing the range with me that day had any negatives to say about the grip. Rather they talked about how good it felt.

      • BryanS

        Fair enough :) I’ll still have to get it in hand before I buy one for the home stock.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          Oh no doubt. I’d never buy a gun without checking it out in person

    • LAMan

      History side here: Pedersen’s original design was known for the amount of effort he put into designing the grip, having a load of people try it out. Don’t know if they had the word “ergonomics” back then, but that’s exactly what he was doing. Four different hand types/sizes in my family, from very small to L/XL, and it works well for all of us.

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        They also did hundreds of hand molds to keep a record of those who tried the grip. Then they catalogued it all and ended up with this grip.

  • El Mac

    What a cool looking pistol! And thank God, there is no plastic!!! If it shoots and runs as good as it looks, I’m down for several.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      LOL—it does–

  • WoodyTX66

    Am I the only one who would like to see the bigger brother to this one? Double-stack, longer threaded barrel, etc?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I sure wouldn’t mind seeing a slightly upscaled one in 45.

  • tailwind

    1. Saturated 9mm “carry” gun market.

    2. That grip safety is stupid and unnecessary.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Not needed? That is the only user safety otherwise just pull the trigger. It doesn’t have a trigger safety like a Glock etc.
      I have to take issue with there being no need for a safety of any sort.

      • RocketScientist

        My Kahr CW40 has no external safety and no trigger safety, but I am comfortable carrying it. It has an internal trigger disconnect that keeps the striker dropping unless the trigger is pulled all the way to the very rear, and the resting position of the striker only leaves the spring slightly compressed (unlike many other striker guns where the striker is halfway ‘cocked’ or more). These combined with its long, deliberate (though smooth and repeatable) trigger pull are enough to give me peace of my when its sitting in my holster.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          I’m familiar with your Kahr and it’s perfectly safe like you said.

          As I understand it the 51 has an internal firing pin block

  • saigagig

    Perfect for us stuck in New York!

  • Mark Cline

    Please explain the “SA” trigger on this gun. Since there’s no hammer, I presume the slide cocks an internal hammer? I’m accustomed to the “DA-Only” where the trigger cocks and releases the hammer. Thanks

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      The hammer is indeed inside. It’s cocked by racking the slide or firing a round.
      Check the AVI file in the post and you’ll see the hammer being cocked.

      • Mark Cline

        OK. I see that, now. So, is the grip safety functioning as a hammer block? Is there a firing pin block, as well?

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          If I understood correctly it does have a firing pin block

  • Karina

    Take notes, Glock. Remington, despite being still in the sights of people for QC and Freedom Group issues, has just one-upped the Austrians. I am very pleased of these news.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      That’s the difference in dedication to innovation and resting on your past accomplishments.
      Now before somebody gets mad I’m not a Glock hater. I think most would agree that Glock hasn’t been very innovative and tends to rely on past success. Notably the new (sorta) .380.

      • Brian Epps

        Methinks Glock just got their hash eaten in the 9mm market. If Remington can mass-market a firearm that is reliable, accurate, AND inexpensive then they will take the civilian market by storm. I knew someone would hit all three points someday, Now all Remington has to do is hammer QC on the production line and keep the shelves stocked.

    • Louie T

      Karina, i love your name. My daughters name is carina also, spelled with a c. This looks like a handgun she might enjoy shooting. From what i have read it looks like it is very easy to rack the slide, unlike my db9 and pm9. I might end up having to buy two of them lol. she tends not to give guns back that she likes. Keep your powder dry !

  • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

    I spoke with Remington and here are the prices and types of replacement inserts. Extra mags have an MSRP of $29.95—probably less at street prices.

    R51 WIDEBODY GRIPS

    REPLACEABLE GRIP PANELS TO ALLOW A WIDER MORE FILLING GRIP ON R51 FRAME

    POLYMER

    $19,95

    R51 RUBBER GRIP PANELS

    REPLACEABLE RUBBER OVERMOLDED GRIP PANELS TO ENHANCE GRIP ON R51 PISTOL

    RUBBER

    $19.95

    R51 ROSEWOOD GRIP PANELS

    REPLACEABLE CHECKERED ROSEWOOD GRIP PANELS FOR MODEL R51 PISTOL

    ROSEWOOD

    $29.95

    REPLACEABLE PEARL STYLED GRIP PANELS FOR MODEL R51 PISTOL

    FAUX PEARL COMPOSITE

    $29.95

    R51 MAGAZINE

    FACTORY REPLACEMENT 7 ROUND MAGAZINE FOR R51 PISTOL

    STAINLESS STEEL

    7 Rounds

    9MM

    $29.95

    • joethefatman

      Always been fond of Rosewood grips. Ever since my first .44 black powder.

  • HJ

    It looks like the grip panels could be replaced with some sort of wood grips. That’s going to be good for the 1911 crowd. I think this gun will appeal to must gun owners in the market for a gun this size. I think it will take a large portion of Kel Tec, SW, Springfield, Khar, and Sig’s markets. The lack of a thumb safety and “Glock Style” trigger safety alone will sell a ton of guns.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      They can be replaced. I just added some reader requested information to the post.
      The new information shows the type, purpose and MSRP of the inserts as well as replacement magazine MSRP.
      I do like the grip safety setup!

  • Reef Blastbody

    Very neat gun. Now if Remington would follow up with a full size double stack version, that would be great. 9MM Para would be fine, or .40S&W.

    .45ACP would be fantastic though it’d likely be a single stack only. Be a nice old world style alternative to the 1911. Bet the 50M offhand target crowd would embrace that.

  • Brian Epps

    I know where a piece of my profit share is going this year!! I WANT I WANT I WANT!!!!

  • Donald McKenna

    Although I didn’t see it mentioned in the article, is it safe to assume the hole on the top of the slide just rearward of the ejection port is for a loaded chamber indicator?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I believe it is. I never used it on the range though.

  • 500_lb_Gorrila

    I’ve got a model 51 in .380 and it’s still a nice shooter, and my wife’s favorite handgun.

  • otasan56

    This pistol looks good and functional.

  • Rob

    Thinking about how this action operates ….
    Is there any concern with the partial case extraction as the slide initially moves backwards? I know there has been a lot attention paid to the barrels on some autopistols and whether they properly support the case head, or not. I think the Glocks in particular were scrutinized for this problem. I can’t really tell how much of the case head is exposed at the point the bolt hesitates, but at least some of the case head is going to be sticking out of the back of the barrel. The amount of exposed case must be pretty small if its rated for +P ammo.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      What it does is stay firmly locked until the round is fired at which time the breech bolt allows the pressure to drop then unlocks and completes the cycle. There really isn’t any part of the case showing.
      It really is unique and there’s no cause for concern at all.

      • Rob

        The bolt is locked, but not initially. At the point of bolt lockup the bolt and slide have already moved rearward a short distance and the case has already been partially extracted. The bolt has to move to impart momentum to the slide. I understand that on the original 380 the amount of bolt movement and case extraction was about 0.18″ which was shorter than the portion of the case head that was solid. So the thin walls of the case were kept completely within the chamber and only the solid portion of the case head protruded from the chamber.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          yes the 0.18 figure is correct and the new model will be the same.

  • GlarryB

    The grip looks small. Does it need an extended mag to get a full hand grip?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      No not for me.I wear a large in gloves if that helps. It was made so that most owners will be able to get all four fingers on the grip.

  • Andy Lester

    So does this pistol not have a manual safety? I carry a 1911 in Condition 1 often, but it seems a little scary to just rely on a grip safety with a single-action.

    Tell me I’m wrong.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Grip safety is the primary manual safety. That’s the only one. I carry a 1911 daily and the grip safety on this one really doesn’t concern me in the least. Whereas the 1911 grip safety is very easy to depress the R51isn’t as easy and has a click you can feel as it disengages. You can also hear the click. It’s not loud but if you know what you’re listening for you’ll hear it.

      • Andy Lester

        When you say, “R51 isn’t as easy [referencing grip safety]” did it in any way affect your grip or feel uncomfortable?

        I’m also interested in the trigger. Did it feel good? What was the weight?

        Of course, I will have to pick one up and play with it a few minutes (hopefully at a range to pop-a-few). Everything feels different to each person. So far it has my attention. I just need to see if it is too small for my big paws to feel comfortable with. The aftermarket wide grips may help that.

        • Andy Lester

          Of course, I may be setting really high expectation for a gun retailing for under $400, but from I have read here and elsewhere the general impression is a lot of bang for the buck.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            It really is a lot of gun for the money—

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          No not at all. I found it comfortable and easy to depress the grip safety. Trigger pull on the ones I shot would be around the 5 pound range but did feel less. I attribute that to the stirrup trigger and the fact the trigger pull is straight back and not hinged.

  • LAMan

    Started carrying my original Rem 51 today with hammer cocked chamber empty, manual safety not engaged–sort of my own “test” of the concept, even though the old and new guns obviously differ. So far, so good. When the original was on the market, Remington recommended the gun as fully safe to carry with just the grip safety engaged–they provided the manual safety for those who wanted the extra assurance. Phil, the grip safety served as a visual indicator that the pistol was cocked

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      No problem— The grip safety does lay closer to the frame when it’s uncocked. I can’t say it was intended as a visual cue for it’s status. I’m fairly certain it could and will be used that way.

  • Ergo

    pew pew

  • Jim

    I always thought Pedersen’s Trial Navy Model 1917 was a superior pistol to the 1911. And Remington finally brought it out. Hurry up and take my money!

  • Tyson chandler

    Beautiful…simply beautiful…best looking new handgun design in decades…If it performs as good as it looks, I am all in! I would love to see this with a stainless slide and the rosewood grip panels.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Now that would look great!

  • KnoxTN

    Great article and great comments!

    Did Remington say what the capacity of the .40 would be? Still 7 + 1 or less?

    Will they offer extended magazines?

    Does the hole on top function as a LCI?

    Does the grip safety double as a cocked indicator (i.e. flush when not cocked and visible when cocked)?

    I have a XDm and like the grip safety as a deterrent to “Glock leg”. When holstering, I push down on the grip below the XDm’s grip safety. On the R51, the grip safety looks like it is hinged on the bottom and extends the length of the grip. I will need to think about how to holster without activating the grip safety.

    I have been eyeing the Shield and XDs. This model matches them in size, weight, and capacity and at an attractive price point.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Thanks I appreciate it. They didn’t say what the capacity would be in the 40. As far as extended magazines we didn’t have any in testing. I feel sure that aftermarket mag companies will come out with extended magazines
      I believe the hole is an LCI. No the grip safety remains pretty close to the same position. It does fit closer to the frame when it’s not cocked but I’m not sure most would notice it. The grip safety is indeed like the old model and is hinged at the bottom of the frame. You can feel the grip safety disengage as well as an audible click.

  • jamezb

    Love it…approve…want.
    that having been said,
    I also would have loved a straight-up reboot of the original design, perhaps with slightly enhanced sights. It was a dead-sexy piece.
    I hope a 1″ longer barrel model appears eventually as well as a re-imagining of the semi-mythical .45 R51,,,and I cant wait to see a nickel version with full rosewood grips.
    Thank you Remington.
    You have made many, many, gun lovers smile with this one.

    • LAMan

      Agreed!

  • Louie T

    Remington listens to the american shooter , glock does not. It looks perfect for ccw , Single stack 9mm,no safety to worry about,no mag disconnect,and comes with 2 mags. General Patton would be proud to holster this American work of art ! And so will i, im gettin in line.

    Way to go big green !

  • William Gaylord

    Which trigger will the gun come with? Your pictures show a skeletonized trigger and a solid one. Are either available as an option?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I’m not 100% sure which we’ll get. I’ve seen both types. It never came up in conversation.

  • LAMan

    Hope I can get it with solid trigger.

  • David Hilliard

    Magazine Safety? hope not.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      No—-

  • BingoFuelUSN

    Astonishing. Seemingly an excellent remake of an innovative design at a great price. I will however take issue with the author by citing that my H&K P7’s have fixed barrels wrapped by their recoil springs. While at the same time the recoil delay device appears, in slow motion, to be a bit like one half of an H&K roller locking mechanism. But those are not bad design to be replicating.

  • armor snail

    Looks better and better every time I look at it. Can’t wait.

  • Timothy Chaffee

    Wow! A non poly framed pistol for under $400? Sign me up!

    • darkdestroyer

      I never thought I would say this but I might have to retire my Makarov for this new R51.

  • ChiefBoring

    I’d like either faux ivory or rosewood smooth grips, and no checkering on the frame. I have tender hands. A box of .44 mags in a model 29 S&W with checkered grips left my hands bloody, while my slick gripped SA, also .44 mag., was pleasant to shoot. Just sayin’.

  • Sheli Allen Walters

    Newbie Question – (Be kind. I’ve only shot 4guns so far on 3separate occassions & have had limited personal access to much variety in firearms. My goal is to have my 1st own gun, holster, et al by year’s end. Spending this year’s Christmas money on my CCW and a belated bday trip to the range.) I was hoping a baby Glock 9m single stack would come out by the time i was able to buy. I’ve been dying to try the Shield (finally got to see and hold one but not shoot it). Found one that i liked the look, feel, grip, and price, but it had kinda like this false reset happening that made me nervous. At 5’6 120lbs & limited funds (no new wardrobes happening here), smooth and concealable is priority. Staying with 9 is preferred but not deal killler. The R51 looks to be a beautiful option and has gone to the top of my list. But here’s what i’ve been wondering about this new little guy and the rumored Glock 9 single stack on the horizon. I don’t like the idea of a passive grip safety on an EDC. My concern (again, little personal experience) is having to have my grip *just right* for a reliable fire – and that may be an unrealistic expectation during an attack. Is that really a non-issue and my newbie imagination is just coming up with scenarios that don’t actually happen in the real world? During all that shooting, did you shoot from a variety of positions (crouched, close to the body, one handed)? From various holsters and conealment locations? When you say it had such a high successful fire rate, are you including any possible times of going “Oh, i wasn’t gripping it tight enough” or “Oh,my hand wasn’t centered right” to disengage the safety. Thanks so much for your enthusiastic and detailed review, btw ~ Blessings! ~

    • Sheli Allen Walters

      PS – Know how i can change my profile name? Usually I’m given the option for a nickname & that didn’t happen this time?

    • LAMan

      Welcome to the 12-step group known as “shooting.” :-)
      It’s taken me about 40 years of shooting to learn to ask the kinds of questions you’re asking, so I’d say you’re off to a good start!

      • Sheli Allen Walters

        Thanks for the encouragement, LAMan!

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I’m not much of a fan of a Glock for a first gun. The new Glock coming out is a .389 rather than a 9mm.
      We varied our shooting between two hands, one hand. We tried holding it loosely (limp wrist) to try and induce a malfunction ad that didn’t cause a problem. We did some fast shooting also. Three of the guys had a bit of a contest to draw and fire the fastest and hit the target.
      There isn’t a problem with depressing the grip safety. Now with some guns that can be a concern. This grip safety is wide enough to be depressed with just about any normal grip. You also know it’s depressed because you can feel it disengage as well as hear a small click. I haven’t really thought about the R51 as a first gun but after reading your post I have to say I think it would be a good choice.
      The price is certainly friendlier to the budget leaving some extra for practice ammunition. When anyone begins shooting they really need to practice until handling the pistol becomes second nature. Attending a CCW class is also helpful and a must of course if you intend to carry concealed on a daily basis.

      Best of luck!

    • David Kachel

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      Look to see what the majority are doing, head in the completely opposite direction.
      You will almost never go wrong. The majority buy what they saw on TV and then defend that mistake to the death.
      The majority, BTW, think glocks are just wonderful.

  • mig1nc

    If this thing takes off, I’d like to see a full size double stack rail-gun version to go with it. Such a low bore axis with a straight back pull 1911-esque SAO trigger. Could be really nice.

  • gunsandrockets

    Nice to see a new honest-to-god single action pocket pistol join the marketplace, even if its origin dates from WWI. DAO triggers suck.

    I’d get one of these Remingtons. Except California law prohibits this new handgun as “unsafe”.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      You mean California has already ruled it a no go or am I reading it wrong?

      • gunsandrockets

        This means getting into politics.

        The California “safe handgun” law was sold as a ban on unsafe so-called “saturday night specials”. Of course the law is really an instrument of banning the maximum possible number of models of handguns from legal sales. Of course police are exempt. They can buy as many ‘unsafe’ handguns as they want.

        Because of the regulations enforcing the law, any new model of semi-auto handgun entering the California market must meet certain mechanical design requirements. That is why no fourth generation model Glock is for sale in California.

        Among the latest requirements is a magazine disconnect safety and “microstamping” features, which is why the Remington will never qualify for sale in California. Except to police. Of course.

        http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/2013/06/cgf-challenges-ca-handgun-microstamping-requirement-in-federal-civil-rights-lawsuit/

        • David Kachel

          So, why do you still live in Kommiefornia?

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            Do you think that comments like that are useful and/or helpful? If so, in what way?

  • jockstrap

    you guys think this could be a comfortable pocket carry, or too big?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      It might be a bit large for pocket carry. I wouldn’t use it that way.

    • darkdestroyer

      Generally most guns in 9mm are too large for pocket carry unless you are talking a Rohrbaugh R9.

    • Rick Williams

      Might be a tad big but it depends on your pockets. I have a Kahr pm9, which is slightly smaller. It totally disappears in cargo pockets (and the R51 would too) and it fits well enough in my jeans front pocket that I’ll do that too, even though it prints some.

  • John Arak

    Phil: Looks like a great gun, but you need to learn how to WRITE!
    Try some punctuation and word usage, my brother!
    The gun looks cool, but this article is a MESS.

  • Annika R

    Hate to be the spelling police but that designer’s name was Pedersen, not Pederson. Easy mistake to make, especially since his isn’t exactly a house-hold name.

  • maodeedee

    What I’d like to know is what is the carry mode for this pistol?
    Can it be carried with a round in a chamber, cocked and unlocked? I wouldn’t carry my 1911 that way, but neither would I want to carry it with an empty chamber.

    I’ve read everything I could fund about this gun, but I must be missing something here.

    • darkdestroyer

      The only safety is the grip safety,so you carry it with one in the pipe and when you draw the safety is automatically disengaged.

  • FriendlySteve

    Did any of the test shooters have fat fingers? Getting a good grip on a small gun is key for me. My little finger falling off the the grip won’t work & Glock’s finger grooves don’t fit me right. The undercut trigger guard gives me hope for CCw but hearing some real experience with big hands would encourage me to strart shopping in February.

  • Marshal Oliver

    So…how long until we see this in .40 cal?

  • Lt. Donn

    I’d rather keep my Glock-26 than experiment with a new (old) design…I was more interested in the new ammo offering…need more info on that.

  • tl

    I may have missed it if previously covered but wondering about ammo- will it handle frangible and lead-free ammunition?

  • wwstick

    Im amazed. The most popular pistol on the planet, the PMR 30, is like a ghost. Ive even ordered one en route to the dealer and at the last minute the distributor backed off deciding, after receiving payment from the dealer, they didnt want to sell him the lot of 40 at that price!
    My point here is that I cannot understand why a major manufacturer would spend time, money, and marketing expertise and funds to make another 9mm or anything else for that matter that is already being manufactured by everyone on the planet. What are they thinking!! If it were me, I would have already been in production with another 22WMR in Semi Auto, large capacity. Is anyone listening?

  • Hi_C

    Looks a lot like my Lc9.

    • darkdestroyer

      It looks nothing like a Ruger LC9.

  • Craig

    Did Remington give any clues to when the release date would be for this pistol chambered in .40 S&W

  • Dragonheart

    This gun does have the look of vintage guns made at the turn
    of the century, which I like, as it is not just another polymer look alike
    Glock that now floods the market. This
    gun reminds me of the Deutsche Werke Ortie.
    Now how about the specs? Like length, height, weight and especially
    width. What is the slide and frame made
    of; aluminum, steel, stainless? Will a
    stainless version be coming out?

    • KnoxTN

      The article answers almost all your questions:

      Stats Weight 20 oz Width .96 Length 6 inches Height 4.5 inches Barrel length 3.4

      “The barrel is made of 416 stainless steel”

      I have read (maybe in the comments) that the frame is aluminum. Per the now updated Wikipedia article, the slide is forged carbon steel.

  • bill

    I guess I’ll have to wait to try one out but, are the dimentions of this about the same as a Ruger lc9? I just recently fired one of those. A friend of mine has an old Savage in 380 caliber and it actually shoots just fine for the discussion down the page. No excessive recoil fairly good trigger good accuracy. I liked the Savage enough that I’m going to look for one.

    • darkdestroyer

      Keep in mind those old savage pistols or pretty hard to find and magazines for them are next to impossible to find.

  • edward

    i am not a fan of haveing 7 rounds of 9mm but the gun is very nice looking and is the best looking compaired to the smithwession sheld and the xds series of late this one is going to be a good consedaration

    • darkdestroyer

      Well you could have 8 rounds if you keep one chambered,I think if you can’t stop the threat with 7-8 well placed shots then 7-8 more shots won’t make much if any difference.

  • JustTheFactx

    I had a Wilson ADP for a short time… the ergos were fantastic… but the thing was a jammaholic. this looks similar… this is a little heavy compared to keltec PF9… my Kimber Ultra CDP is 25 oz… looks promising tho!!

    • darkdestroyer

      Part of that problem is that the Wilson ADP is basically just a Heritage C1000 Stealth with the Wilson name on it and a ridiculous price.

      • JustTheFactx

        Yes, it was a POS… Wilson did far better with their poly KZ-45… but quit that too… they seem to be a little schitzo over there… now doing AR’s… ?? probably give up on that too… wish they would have completely redone the ADP…

  • drew

    Hope Glock doesn’t get too mad Remington just stole the wind beneath their wings

  • petru sova

    It would have been too much to hope for as far as a resurrection of the original pistol. That gun was all steel not junk plastic. Of course the original was noted for failed cracked breach blocks and that was with the lower powered .380 cartridge not the more powerful 9mm. Time will tell whether or not this gun will hold up better than the original did.
    Plasticky framed pistols are noted for cracking their frames with relatively low round counts. Last month on the Sig Forums there was pics of a plasticky .380 with a cracked frame and even a prestigious and expensive HK .40 with a cracked frame with only 4,000 rounds fired out of it. If this new Remington is a delayed blowback like the original pistol its going to generate a lot of recoil and frame flex. Bad news for the plasticky frame.
    I wish too it would have had a manual safety like the original, at least you would have the option to use or not to use it. The only good thing about this gun is that it is a much more reliable hammer fired gun instead of a the usual weak striker fired system seen on so many new plasticky pistols these days.

    • GrumpyoldScrooge

      Those plasticky pistols are holding up every bit as well if not better than those old steel ones. Look at Glock, M&P, FN, Walther PPQ, Sig, HK…They are holding up for tens of thousands of rounds. The HK40 with a cracked frame is unusual, but it happens with steel framed 40’s too. The polymer absorbs recoil better than Steel. Polymer took over the gun market because it’s better in just about every way compared to steel.

    • KnoxTN

      You realize that the R51 has an aircraft aluminum frame, forged carbon steel slide, and a 416 stainless steel barrel, right?

  • petru sova

    Take note without a manual safety this gun is unsafe to carry with a round in the chamber unless it is in a hard shell plasticky or leather holster. Sticking the gun in your coat pocket or waist ban will result in an accidental discharge just like when you carry the Glock.

  • petru sova

    Don’ forget that Remington is now using the unreliable MIM brittle cast parts in their 1911 guns so I imagine they are polluting this new pocket gun with them also. I won a brand new Remington 1911 carry gun but when I found out it had MIM cast parts I sold it immediately.

    • Duray

      I haven’t really followed the R-1911, but a friend just bought one. How many have you seen break?

    • darkdestroyer

      So what,I haven’t seen any gun with these so called brittle MIM parts break yet.

  • Alex

    Sounds like a small jam-o-matic to me, especially at that price. I’ll wait until you quick buyers test it out. Learned a long time ago not to buy when they first come out.

  • Lockmazter

    I’ll definitely be getting one of these to add to the collection. Could be my primary.

  • armydadtexas

    I shall be purchasing one of these as soon as possible.

  • Gordon Piszar

    $389? Where is the line?

  • supergun

    Looks about the same size as my Springfield XDs. And it shoots a 45.

    • KnoxTN

      About the same size, but a lower bore axis. Check out:

      http://www.triangletactical.net/2014/01/02/remington-r51-pistol/

      I have a XDm, but I will look closely at this when the .40 comes out.

      • supergun

        Hey KnoxTN. When are yall going to start playing football again. We need someone other than the 2 alabama teams to hog all the action. I might add, when are we bulldogs going to start playing. My XDs 45 is an awesome gun. Love it. It is a cannon in a small package with the 45 firepower that will shoot 45 tPs. The R51 is a pretty pistol, though.

        • KnoxTN

          We’re hoping we have a real coach now.

          I like the XDs and I followed the recall closely. I am waiting for a .40 version, but I imagine the recall delayed it. I have trying to figure out how to justify $650 to the wife for the XDs. She will go for $350 without blinking. Also, the smaller gun might be “hers” if she enjoys the firearm safety classes. The R51 is supposed to be much easier to rack the slide.

          • supergun

            You make good sense about the racking part. My wife had trouble racking the Ruger LC9. So I bought her the Ruger LCR 22 mag. She loves it. Also got her 2 back ups – Bersa Thunder Plus holds 15 380s (very nice pistol) and the Ruger LCP 380 engraved from the factory. But her favorite is the Smith and Wesson M&P 357sig with the 40 cal. barrel on it. She said it shoots better than the Taurus 92 9mm. So I traded with her since she bought me the XDs 45.

  • John Jones

    Makarov

    • big banana

      Great pistol. I was thinking the same but 9×19 beats a 9×18.

  • IDPAction

    How does this differ from the action on a 92F?

  • Karlan

    I might trade in my LC9 for this one. The double action trigger make my Ruger extremely difficult to shoot accurately (for me), quite an emasculating feeling. However I do wish Remington had included a thumb safety on this gun… Safety-less guns require good form fitting holsters for safety reasons (yes I know it has a grip safety) I can be pretty sure good holsters are not yet available in any significant numbers, with competitive prices.

    All said and done, I will be buying on.

  • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

    Additional information on the R-51 here at SHOT. Those who asked about the 40–will be able to get one in May,
    A suppressed model will also be available.

    • KnoxTN

      Hopefully, they will extend the mag to still hold 7+1. If they don’t, it will probably be 6+1. I assume the current mag holds 7 x 9 mm / 10 mm for the .40S&W yields 6.3 rounds. Unless we find some 0.3 sized rounds, it will only hold 6. :-)

      • KnoxTN

        Looking at the actual CIP dimensions, a 9mm is 9.96 and the .40S&W is 10.77. This works out to 6.47 .40 rounds in the same mag. They would need to extend the mag by 5.67 mm (0.22 inches) to hold 7+1.

  • CSP215

    Like a lot of shooters I find that I need a grip extension of these smaller pistols.I wonder if they will offer a grip extension for the R51?

  • FindYourInnerWoodsman

    Just read over at truthaboutguns that the MSRP is now 420 $? Can anyone substantiate this?

    • KnoxTN

      Yes, there are several YouTube videos from the Shot Show interviewing the Remington staff about the R51. They expect it to sell for “less than $400″.

  • Colin

    Hmmm wonder if they will make a 4.1″ barrel version for the Canadian market? One can hope.

  • William Gaylord

    I see that they have already raised the MSRP and they haven’t even hit the shelves of dealers yet. They are $420 MRSP now. At the SHOT show they have one that comes factory equipped with a Crimson Trace laser guard sight for $609 MSRP.

  • Vaughan

    I want one of these new Remington R 51 pistols. I like the fact that it is a Pederson design. I like the link to the historical 51 as well. All metal is good with me. I wish I could shoot one before I buy one.

  • mwl

    I dont like a “9” for my main battery, but its certainly a slick secondary. I carry inbetween my neck and shoulder right above my left shirt pocket. This way its not a common place to find a firearm and if my hands were in the air quick access, also when sitting in a vehicle same, same.

  • Gryphon

    Looks like no one here discussing the old 51 from an owners perspective. if the new one is anything like the old one it will likely never fail you. They actually had a 53 model in 45acp that almost replaced the 1911 for the navy but the first war ended and the contract got cancelled. I would love to see the 53 get released. this old gun is the most natural point and shoot pistol I have ever shot. With the improved sights I can only image it would be better! I cant wait to get one! My old 51 is a 1918 model and still bangs away like its new!

    • LAMan

      Wish I still owned both of my .380 second versions, and hopefully will get a second again someday. Why? Because it is the best natural point-shooting pistol I’ve tried in 40 years. Never kept a record of how many makes and models I’ve owned, much less the ones I got to try out for a few shots, but suppose it’s 50-100.

      For those who are looking for a target trigger, the old 51 is definitely NOT for you, but it’s simply not intended for that type of shooting. 0-12 yards, it’s amazingly fast to line up for an instinctive first shot, and then to blaze thru all 7+1 rounds. Recoil is more akin to a steel .22 automatic than to blowback .380’s or even .32’s.

  • Todd

    It looks like a great deep concealment pistol. Better than the M&P Shield probably. I never thought of Remington as a handgun manufacturer.

  • David Goff

    How does this compare to the M&P Shield? Is there much difference in size or felt recoil?

    Looking for a pocket sized carry piece in .040 and the possibility that this might be in Remington’s future plans has me intrigued. But only if it’s a “friendlier” shoot than the Shield.

  • ncwbob

    R51 discussion forum http://r51pistol.com/

    Why would you buy a R51?

    What would stop you from buying a R51

    Problem I am finding is a gun store that even knows about these and is willing to get me one. I really want to try the gun in my hand and try the trigger pull before I actually buy it. Kahr pistols are supposed to be good so I picked one up the other day and I can’t believe how truly terrible the trigger is. If I seen a Kahr pistol laying on the ground I would step over it and keep on walking, YUK! So, like the looks of the R51 but must have in hand before I buy, no online orders for me!

  • Brian H

    Nice design but why would you put the take down pin raised up on the side. The whole idea of a CCH pistol is easy draw with nothing to hang up on clothing.

  • Dan Dickinson

    I have an old 51, It was the perfect off duty arm being so light and slim made it easy to carry concealed. Mine is 380 but it has very soft recoil more like one would expect from a 22. This pistol I purchased from a pawn shop in 1964 though it looked like new at the time. Fired only occasionally in recent years, I have never had a problem with it.

    I can hardly wait to get my hands on one of the new ones.

  • MontieR

    Interesting action.

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    Do any of these As*hats grasp, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Our rights came BEFORE the constitution and that document SPECIFICALLY states our rights can NOT be regulated.

  • Karl

    Well Phil it is the end of February and still no sign of this gun anywhere. Does Remington have a problem? Their website is saying “First Quarter 2014″. Is this typical of manufacturers that show a new product at the SHOT show? This phantom gun is almost as ridiculous as me walking into Wal-Mart and asking for .22lr ammo. Losing faith in the Big Green R when it comes to handguns. If they can’t deliver they need to be honest. I do not see why any company in this industry would not be honest with it’s customers.

    • Jay

      Actually…it has shipped…and arrived. Know of a few in one store already.

      • Karl

        I appreciate the reply since Remington has yet to respond to my reply on their website. Did you actually see it? What part of the country are you in?

        • Jay

          North East, as of yesterday they were in the back of a shop not checked in. I’m hoping one of them is for me since I special ordered it over a month ago (fingers crossed). Their distributer stated that this particular store was the 1st one to get them. Also, a picture on Cabela’s shows solid trigger (not skeleton).

  • Jay

    We’ll, don’t know the official release date…but I have one as of today. It has a skeleton style trigger. Cost was 399.00. I hope to shoot it tomorrow.

  • David Trainmore

    I grabbed the only one of these to show up in our town, so far. $400 + Sales Tax. Got to the range yesterday and did fairly well. Hits were at 5:00 O’ Clock low with 115 gr. estate ammo. Remington wants you to use their 125 gr. stuff. I’m left handed so today I drifted the front sight over, and will try again. With the three white dots, trimming down the front sight doesn’t help to over ride them vertically. This popper will be kept in our travel trailer for my wife to use if necessary out in the Bitteroots.

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