Why there is a .22 ammunition shortage (official statement from ATK)

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I have been getting emails on a regular basis from people concerned about the shortage of .22 LR ammunition. Rather than speculate, and risk fueling the conspiracy theories swirling around internet forums, I decided to ask ATK directly. ATK is a major ammunition producer that owns the CCI, Federal Premium, Fusion, Speer, Estate Cartridge and Blazer ammunition brands. They said to me …

The current market and environment is causing stronger than usual demand for products in our industry. The current increase in demand is attributed to the civilian market. Our facilities operate 24-hours a day. We are continually making process improvements to increase our efficiency and investing in capital and personnel where we have sustained demand. We are bringing additional capacity online again this year.

So there you have it. They are producing it as fast as they can but they are at maximum capacity. Strong demand means they are flying off the shelves faster than they can be supplied. The shortage will continue until either than can expand their facilities or, and more likely in the shortterm, demand cools.

People tend to buy ammunition in the winter and shoot it in summer. I don’t know why they do this (I tend to buy more in summer than in winter). I suspect by the beginning of summer there will be enough .22 ammunition on the shelves.




Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


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  • Robert Evans

    I wonder if a lot of people are buying it with the intention of using it in a post-Dollar barter economy?

    • Guest

      Yeah, but I bet tinfoil would also be a valid barter item, I bet already now many people exchange goods for tinfoil hats as we speak.

      • Geoffery Canterburry

        are you telling me that i’ve been saving all these bottle caps for nothing?

        • Guest

          Only Nuka-Cola caps an ringpulls count. Not bottle caps from Corona or lids from Campbell soup.

        • Karina

          You are going to need what they call “money”…

          • Geoffery Canterburry

            “the joke”
            ————–
            “your head”

          • J Galt

            “Gold is money, everything else is Credit.” J.P. Morgan

  • Joseph A. Clark

    I buy it when I can afford it, but on a fixed income, sometimes it’s not as easy as that……let’s see, bread, milk, coffee, or ammunition? Well, I can reload some of my ammunition, but don’t have my own cow or coffee plantation….;)

  • Kevin

    Bullshit. How can it be flying off the shelves if the stores aren’t even getting any?

    • Steve (TFB Editor)

      Presumably some stores are getting them. Ammunition is rarely sold directly to retailers (other than the major chains like Walmart). A handful of very large buying groups (distributors/wholesalers) do the distribution to the retailers. The buying groups are huge, so there is no reason they would favor a large chain over a large buying group. Now I don’t know if the buying groups are or are not distributing ammunition efficiently/

      • nosx

        BS, the distributers are hoarding millions of rounds to drive up the price so that they can make short term profits.

        • Flyingchipmunk

          You’ve got to be kidding. Now is the time when they would get the most money for their product possible. Every manufacturer knows that they can sell all the .22LR they make at whatever price they want so they are cooking it up and shipping it out as fast as they can. The price is already up about as far as it can be. Now is the time to cash in and they are doing all they can to make and sell as much as they can right now when it’s a sellers market

        • Steve (TFB Editor)

          That is not how it works. Retails put in orders to distributors. The distributors pass the order to the manufacturer. The distributor sends the retailer ammunition.

          • HSR47

            I think the issue is the number of distributors who sell directly to the public.

            With the current demand, distributors have more consistent stock and lower prices (because there aren’t as many middlemen involved), and therefore the ones who sell to the public seem to be selling most of their stock directly.

            This in turn would lead to a shortage for smaller stores, who then are forced to compete with the entire public in order to get ammunition from their suppliers.

          • EOD1

            Sorry to hear you went and asked the government about the 22 problem. ATK is still owned by the feds and contractors run the place. The people in the office are government employees. My contacts in the SF communities tell me the government is buying up all the 22 they can get training with some and destroying the rest. They are doing this for 2 reasons, 1 to control the supply, 2 to keep it out of our hand ( Joe public). Its the same thing they do to the farmer of the Midwest. They pay them better not to plow and produce crops. so they can control the food. You control the food, you control the people. This is old school tactics used all over the world. Your government would do this to you. Don’t be foolish to think different.
            P.S A conspiracy is only to the those outside the circle. Better yet lets start with an answer and try to dismiss it. Answer is Control the population. Now look at what is going on and try to prove it wrong. Get out your Dry erase board and put the answer at the top and work your way down the tree.

    • Kyle

      The stores DO get it, it’s just that people camp outside in their pick up trucks and buy all of it. Even with the three box limits, they are buying ALL of it because there are SO MANY of them doing this

    • Kevin T. RIley

      I haven’t seen 22 LR at a Wal-Mart in months if not over a year. They certainly seem to keep a lot of .22-250 in stock that no one ever buys.

      • neoconfection

        It’s actually funny that you mention that- the ammo shortage wasn’t that bad here in Canada. Stock came and went, but that same Winchester white box .22-250 remains.

      • HSR47

        Speaking generally, there are three kinds of ammunition:

        *Hunting/self-defense ammo (although Wal-Mart doesn’t really stock the latter)
        *Range shotgun ammo
        *Range pistol/rifle ammo

        Most of the Wal-Mart locations near me have always had the first two: It’s just the last category that has been in short supply. Even so, it helps to know where to look. Of the four WM stores that I visit on any kind of recurring basis, three typically have a practically non-existant stock of the third category, while the fourth store tends to have it’s shelves ~2/5-3/5 full. Last time I was at the fourth store, they had what looked to be commercially labeled Turkish NATO spec ammo (in plastic in .50 cal cans): 5.56 for ~.62 per round, and 9mm for ~.43 per round (expensive, but huge quantities for WM). They had several other commercial M193-style .223 Rem loads that were less expensive, but the three box limit applied.

  • Freedomfighter1776

    There’s demand all right, US gov. Is buying all American made ammunition they can as soon as it comes off conveyer belt. Why do you think we see more russian ammo in stores than American? They don’t need to take our guns to disarm us, people. They figured out how through these ammo seizures.

    • Drapetomanius

      The US government is snapping up .22lr? Cite your sources, good sir.

      • Adam

        I second that, I’d love to see what really makes people think the government is buying 22LR.

        • Gunhead

          Agreed, even 5.56 is easier to find, so I’d like some extraordinary evidence to back up this extraordinary claim. And no, Infowars doesn’t count as a source.

        • thesteppenwolf

          Ammo production is finite. As stated by the ATK rep there are only 24 hours in a day. When the gov orders 1.6 billion rounds production becomes focused on that. No they did not order .22lr. They ordered ,40 cal HP.

          So when those bricks of .22lr stop flowing into your local ammo shops it’s not because the gov. is “snapping” them up. it’s because other calibers rounds are being produced in that 24 hour window to fill federal orders. And lowly civi’s like us can buy Eley and Augila at 5 to 7 times the normal cost if we want it.

          • MattInTheCouv

            disagree. that would be like saying Ford was producing so many F150’s that they didn’t have time to make any Fiestas. Different calibers have dedicated manufacturing machinery. Granted you can retool centerfire rifle machinery to make other centerfire rifle ammo, but 22rimfire, i guarantee you, shares next to nothing in common with any centerfire machinery. so unless it’s a raw material issue….

      • thesteppenwolf

        I’ll cite this article. Where does the ATK rep state they’re producing .22 lr 24/7. In fact it seems as though he was specifically asked about .22 lr and provided a non-answer.

        While I do believe the civilian market has added to demand. I think it is disingenuous for him to not address increased federal orders. I believe 1.6 billion was the early estimates last year. And, yes, limiting the availability of ammo to the civilian market would be a passive form of gun control.

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/

        • Flyingchipmunk

          the DHS has 200,000 employees. That means about 8,000 rounds per person. That order was to be fulfilled over the course of several years. Although 1.6 billion sounds like a lot, 8,000 per person over the course of several years doesn’t sound all that unusual to me.

          • thesteppenwolf

            Over the next 5 year with every DHS employee qualifying at the range (not all of them do, but hey I’ll humor your logic), there’s 240,000 of ‘em, twice a year, the high average for dept.’s. 3,333 rd’s per individual… Yeah that’s a lot. Or every agent fire’s 128 rd’s a week… yeah that’s a lot too. (5 years in the Corps, 0311, 2 tours in Iraq. Never came close to that.) Why is this so hard to understand. DHS is purchasing a very large amount of ammo. These purchase’s effect large scale ammo production in the US. Crazy, huh?

          • GunTotingLib

            if 250,000 people shoot just 5 boxs of hand gun ammo 4 times a year that is a quarter of a billion rounds. good info on thy government buying myth at all places Brietbart. lol…http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/04/The-Great-DHS-Ammunition-Stockpile-Myth

          • CapeMorgan

            Read the contract. They are NOT buying that much ammo per year. It is a FIVE year contract.

          • GunTotingLib

            Consider how much an average hobbyist shoots a year it doesn’t sound like much at all for a trained professional who must be proficient with at least one firearm and maybe several.

          • Nature Rancher

            The more pressing concern is, “Why does DHS have over 200,000 employees?”

          • CapeMorgan

            It is not that high. It includes the Coast Guard, Border Patrol, Customs, Immigration. They also run FLETC.

          • PatrickHenry1789

            I’ve got an even better question. Where is the authority in the US Constitution for all of these alphabet soup federal agencies? The only one that I can think of that would pass Constitutional muster would be the USPS.

          • Mike Smithy

            Although DHS has 200,000 employees, not all of them are law enforcement. Most of these employees are secretary’s and administrative clerks. Actually, DHS has approximately 65,000 gun carriers which includes USSS, ICE, TSA, Coast Guard, FPS, Border Patrol, CBP and several other agencies. Let’s assume that the average gun carrier will fire approximately 560 rounds per year for re-qualification purposes. Obviously, some will shoot more and others will shoot less. However, I believe 560 is a good base line estimate. Here is how the math breaks down: 65,000 x 560 = 3,640,000 rounds required per annum for DHS. If we divide 1.2 billion rounds by 3,640,000, we can conclude that DHS plans to have a 329 year supply. Why does DHS need a 329 year supply of ammo? Perhaps the conspiracy theorists are onto something here.

          • Guy Fawkes

            DHS has nowhere near 200,000 employees who actually carry weapons.

            And almost none of their armed officers shoot more than a few hundred rounds per year.

          • Nunyabusiness

            That would still mean they would be shooting more rounds than the military did during the gulf war.

        • greensoup

          Someone over on Calguns did the math a while back. It was multiple departments of the government ordering a supply that ran several years. It basically broke down to several hundred rounds per officer per year and not significantly more that the amount needed for firearms practice/training and probably way way less than I shot myself and I’m not a prolific shooter. Considering we ran two wars for 10 years without triggering a shortage but we end both and sudden we run out of ammo because of a single government order? Give me a break.

          • thesteppenwolf

            I won’t and can’t argue with that. But in the wake of a gun control fever hitting the liberal patches of our former constitutional democracy.

            The large ammo purchases, do raise eyebrows. And yes they can be argued away by departmental training over several years but the reality is that every officer would have to hit the range every year for the numbers to make sense, even though they really don’t.

            And I know of no precedent where DHS buys ammo for border patrol or any other agency, so I’ll call pig shit, pig shit. Instead I’ll proffer the idea that ammo control is the most effective form of gun control in America.

          • CapeMorgan

            The Border Patrol is part of DHS. They use a central procurement office for all the Agencies within DHS. FLETC uses an enormous amount of rounds every year because they also train state and local police. You really should do some basic research before you start shouting conspiracy. Being willfully ignorant is no way to go through life.

          • HSR47

            “But in the wake of a gun control fever hitting the leftist patches of our former constitutional republic.”

            Fixed that for you….

          • Nunyabusiness

            Actually DHS purchases work out to a little over 1300 rds per person per year. That is much more that the military used in Iraq during the war.

        • GunTotingLib

          article written by Ralph Benko a member of the Tea Party Patriots ,contributor to such sites as RedState and the Atlas Foundation. Hardly a place I would look for a fair report of the facts. Here is some interesting data regarding government use and supply of ammo…. http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=9cde768f-bb3a-4fd9-8176-1745c21519c2 …Keep in mind government maintains stock piles of ammo for emergencies and after so many years much is sold into the surplus market.

    • GunTotingLib

      With the exception of 22lr , my local Sportco has pallets of all the common calibers, although at 30% higher price than a couple years ago. My last trip a couple days ago, I estimate there were at least 100,000 rounds of .223 sitting on two pallets alone. Cases and cases of of 9mm,.40,.45acp,.38, 7.62×39 and pallets and pallets of shot shells. And the shelves filling with assorted boxes of misc.

      the shortage is caused by hoarding because of the delusional folks that think some one is going to take away their guns, plain and simple.

      • Mystick

        Just had a friend of mine receive a visit from the MD State Police… why were they there? To take his guns.

        It actually IS happening, right now.

        • GunTotingLib

          And why were they taking his guns?

      • Guy Fawkes

        What is delusional is someone with the handle “GunTotingLib” trying to pretend that his party ISN’T trying to take our guns.

        • GunTotingLib

          No one is trying to take your guns.

          • J Galt

            If you don’t count Maryland and Connecticut an New York and Colorado and California, you may be right . . . Or England, Australia, Venezuela, etc., etc. And while they are waiting to take the guns, they’ll settle for our magazines:
            “Connecticut Democrat state senator Edward Meyer has put forward a bill which limits civilian firearms to one round.
            Like Barney Fife in the old Andy Griffith series, you’ll have one bullet with which to defend all that’s valuable to you (including you).”

          • GunTotingLib

            I know of no bill that has come close to passing that CONFISCATES any ones guns. Even among liberals, confiscation is a fringe position.And as far as England, Australia, Venezuela goes they are not governed by the US constitution and their gun ownership is their problem. I can’t see a single round mag law passing, But I do support the 15 round mag limit. What self respecting defensive shooter needs more than a 15 round mag?

          • Francisco Machado

            Need is not the issue. Should the government have the power to mandate that you can own only what you need? Take from you everything they decide you don’t need? They’re certainly working in that direction in the financial realm.

          • GunTotingLib

            The supreme court has ruled that there is a individual right to keep and bear and that the government has the right to regulate it . No right is universal. There are limits on all rights. Your freedom of speech does not allow you to incite riot or cause harm ( cry fire in crowded movie house example). freedom of the press does not allow you to print indecent material, or put unsubstantiated claims that you assault little boys on it’s front page. freedom of religion does not allow you to stone your adulterous wife to death or kill your disrespectful kids. Things like magazine limits and background checks are legitimate law and if you or I disagree then we have the right to get the majority of americans to see it our way and elect representatives that agree with us. While rights are inalienable and should not be at the mercy of democracy, regulation is.

  • TT

    Working in the industry, I talk to a lot of people who think there is a conspiracy with ammo shortage. I also talk to a lot of individuals who have purchased so much ammunition when they have the chance, that it makes sense why there is a shortage. Because of the initial ammo shortage around this time last year, people were looking for a more economical choice for shooting. All the better reason for Wolf to start manufacturing .22 LR ammo….lol

  • SD3

    I have not seen 22lr for literally more than a year now.

    • GunTotingLib

      Not much on store shelf but plentiful on the web if you don’t mine paying .12 cents a round ( 6$ a box)

      • eod1

        Sorry to hear you went and asked the government about the 22 problem. ATK is still owned by the feds and contractors run the place. The people in the office are government employees. My contacts in the SF communities tell me the government is buying up all the 22 they can get training with some and destroying the rest. They are doing this for 2 reasons, 1 to control the supply, 2 to keep it out of our hand ( Joe public). Its the same thing they do to the farmer of the Midwest. They pay them better not to plow and produce crops. so they can control the food. You control the food, you control the people. This is old school tactics used all over the world. Your government would do this to you. Don’t be foolish to think different.
        P.S A conspiracy is only to the those outside the circle. Better yet lets start with an answer and try to dismiss it. Answer is Control the population. Now look at what is going on and try to prove it wrong. Get out your Dry erase board and put the answer at the top and work your way down the tree.

  • Ryan

    Seriously, the conspiracy nut jobs are running rampant. “buying it for a post-Dollar barter economy.”! “US gov. is buying all American made ammunition as it comes off the conveyer belt”!

    Are you kidding me?

    First off, it isn’t THAT hard to find .22LR. Go look at ammoseek.com which currently lists 139 different products available ranging in price from $0.07-$0.60/rd. Sure, it’s not quite a plentiful or as cheap as 4 years ago, but it’s not THAT bad. But what accounts for the lower supply and higher price? Natural inflation across the board (~7% cumulative since 2010) and…. the conspiracy theorists! When Bob Evans is hoarding .22LR for his post-apocalyptic bartering fantasy and Freedomfighter1776 is buying whatever he can before the government “confiscates” it from him, it does two things: reduces the supply and shows retailers people are willing to buy .22LR at $0.60/rd.

    Stopping feeding the nut jobs, give supply a chance to recover, and then things will be even less noticeably different from 4 years ago.

    • Ryan

      On second thought, I can get 30,000 rounds of .22LR right now for $0.11/rd. I’ll sell them to anyone for $0.30/rd. It might seem expensive, but you are going to need it when the zombie Apocalypse/US shutdown/rapture comes next week. ORDER NOW!

      • supergun

        Sounds like you are selling gold. Just as heavy as gold also. Never gets old if you take care of it. You can use it as money. Yepppp, ammo is a very good investment.

        • VayaconMuerte

          Supergun, .22LR DOES go bad, even under the most-ideal storage situations. If you doubt me, find someone with 2, 4, 6, 10 and 12 year old stocks. Now, take a few rounds of each age-group (assuming same manufacturer brand), and chronograph them. Not only will you have more misfires per 1000, but you will also see constant reductions in velocity. Bad in a centerfire round, terrible in a rimfire.

          A friend and I did this out of some old stocks he had, and found that about 10-years, even indoors, climate controlled, in a sealed ammo box, was about all you could keep .22LR’s before they degraded.

          You better be watching for dates, or lot numbers, understand how old that stock is you are buying for a premium price, and if you are a scalper like Ryan above, know that you are sitting on aging beer. IT DOES have a life-span, and it will go bad on you. Eventually, scalpers will be bit with this same issue, if the fresh stuff ever starts coming out of the OEMs again. Who wants 5, 6, 8 year old aged stuff when they can buy fresh, cheaper?!

        • Catclaw

          it only takes one bad primer to a bad end

          • supergun

            No guarantee in life. But if you have more than one, then the bad primer does not matter.

      • Ammo Cat

        Seriously, screw u, I’ll use up all my 22lr then just switch to either my .38 .357 or .45 ap or .45, plenty of that around, rather than pay your inflated price, hope u take it in the shorts.

      • supergun

        Right now I am paying about .03 – .05 per round. It is beginning to show up more and more each day. I have seen more bricks also.

        • InYoFace

          Liar….

          • supergun

            Just purchased a bucket of 22 LR 1,400 total for 64.99 plus tax from Academy Sports. That is less than .05 per bullet. Do you normally talk this way? Just going around and calling people liars. What an idiot.

          • supergun

            I also buy high quality 22 Magnums hollow points for 11.99 per 50 at Academy.

    • AnarchyPrime

      Just gonna point out that inflation isn’t natural. That is all. Carry on.

      • MattInTheCouv

        the natural way of things for a fiat currency, for sure. not real money, though

      • JT

        Mostly unnatural. When you print more money and it gets into circulation, obviously you have more money chasing the same amount of products, which has produced high inflation for the last 100 years. However, to a very tiny extent, short supply of something for the same amount of money in circulation also produces inflation, higher gas prices mean shipping costs get factored in, etc. We think of inflation as general inflation, but some sectors have high inflation while others are seemingly unaffected. So, probably mostly due to money printing, but if you say inflation isn’t natural that’s not true 100% of the time, but pretty close. If you ever argue with a macro economist, they will point this out immediately and they will be right, even if their beliefs have been disasteros in practice

    • ddearborn

      Hmmm

      The simple fact is that supplies of all types of ammo (in the US)have been significantly reduced. This increases the perceived demand and justifies increased prices. In this day and age of a global economy the notion that some how Americans can’t get ammunition do to limited supply is a farce. That global economy means that industry has direct access to global production capacity including small arms ammunition. The simple fact is that the US government is actively involved in limiting consumer access to that global supply.

      Don’t believe the US government can do something like that in conjunction with corporations? Look no further than prescription drugs. Americans have no accesses to the global market for prescription drugs. As a result we pay the highest prices in the entire world. It is not that cheaper production isn’t available in the global economy, we the people are just being blocked from tapping into it and taking advantage of the lower prices. The same approach has been applied to small arms and ammunition. It is working like a charm.

      If you honestly believe that world wide global production of small arms ammunition is anywhere near full capacity I have a bridge to sell. And even if it had been 3 years go when this began, a hundred factories could have been built and been in full production years ago. Tell us Ryan how many new ammunition factories have been built in the US in the last 3 years in the face of this unprecedented demand? Despite some claims to the contrary, ammunition production is a very profitable business. So given the capitalist model under which the US economy operates production should have quickly been ramped up if it was lacking world wide (it was not and still is not lacking). That did not happen. What did happen is this; Ammunition production in the US was cut be closing factories inside the US. Government regulations were imposed limiting importation of small arms and ammunition. Additional regulations and restrictions on the raw materials needed for the production of ammunition have been imposed by the government further constraining domestic production. And the US government has in fact been buying a very large percentage of the yearly domestic production of ammunition. It bears noting that small arms ammunition production is neither difficult or complex. All of these actions BY THE GOVERNMENT RESTRICT SUPPLY AND RAISE PRICES which in turn limits availability to the consumer.These are the facts Ryan. No conspiracy theories, just cold hard facts.

      If you are not a government shill Ryan you should apply. On the other hand given your line of reasoning, maybe you are just another one of those “nut jobs” who believes the government would never try and illegally restrict our right to bear arms by constricting the supply of ammunition. Come to think of it, as I recall the British were sent to Lexington and Concord to seize powder and shot not muskets and cannon……………………………………………..Oh shoot there I go again with my theories- now look what I have done! Prices just went up again…..

      • big daddy

        I know more about the drugs and you are right about that. I pay ridiculous prices for drugs that were around for many years. $800 for a 2 1/2 month supply of LANTUS, that’s insulin. I pay $300 for that amount co-pay. Yet the latest insulin Levemir is the same price, figure that one out. You cannot tell me they are NOT setting artificial pricing for things in this country. To do it for drugs necessary to live is despicable.

        • Mark N.

          Too true. The NYTimes had a big expose on the most common asthma meds–and we pay more than ten times as much as other parts of the world

          • Jeremy Star

            The War on Drugs man. People think that other people who want to legalize drugs are just potheads or junkies, then those same people complain about the price of their prescriptions. The same policy that makes it illegal for people to sell pot also insures that your medical drugs will cost you an arm and a leg.

          • Rod

            Well said sir.

          • dminor1980 .

            In certain instances the “costing an arm and a leg” may be a literal statement.

        • wzrd1

          Add in manufacturers recalls for when they turned out a defective product, that also increases the price.
          After all, the companies need to make a profit.

        • Zebra Dun

          I find the medications are cheaper but the insurance company doesn’t allow a refill until after a set number of days, usually well after I’ve run out just taking the meds by the dose on the Rx.
          It’s not dope it’s just that cholesterol stuff.
          must be a great demand for it.

      • SpazC

        There is so much more to opening up new factories and expanding lines than you seem to think there is. The cost of tooling, property, personnel, training, additional logistical resources is EXTREMELY costly. These factories cant afford to expand for a temporary bubble. If this demand turns to be stable they will eventually expand. Its just not a 6-9 month issues, these expansions take 18-24 months with careful planning.

        Its a simple supply and demand issue.

        There has been an influx if MILLIONS of new shooters in our country. What were the two most commonly found rounds on the shelves 5 years ago ? 9mm and .22lr, The two rounds I’ve heard countless people choose because ” they are so plentiful, in an emergency I can find them anywhere.” These are the rounds the new shooters went with, and there’s your shortage. The collective of private citizens have a hell of a lot more buying power than our government does, and we seem to be exercising it well.

        .223 is on every shelf I find, as well as 7.62×39 , 30-06, .308 .40, .45, .380. heck even the other rimfires, .17hmr, .22 mag ect. It was just the two most used rounds that haven’t come back in full swing.

        If you think I’m wrong and that it would be terrible easy to open up new production, then I challenge you to find the investors and do so. Good luck!

        • ddearborn

          Hmmm

          The number one obstacle to opening new production facilities INSIDE the US are the massive regulatory and environmental obstacles the government has put in place. The is more than enough production capacity to have easily handled the “bubble” here in the US. Again the government stepped in and created importation restrictions and regulations.

          And the issue at this point is not so much availability (though many calibers are still in short supply) it is price. Essentially prices for the 3 most common calibers 5.56, 308 and 9mm have tripled in the last 4 years. Thus price is being used as yet another method of limiting gun use. The point of my comments are that it is NOT a simple supply and demand issue. Because if it was supplies would have increased to cover demand (they have not) and demand would therefore have begun to taper off as the bubble was extinguished and prices would have fallen. Prices have not fallen, supply was not increased significantly and the result is an effective attack on our right to bear arms.

          • SpazC

            By that logic, our government is attacking the right to wear clothes, the right to use pens,and the right drink beer. ALL industries have faced heightened regulations over the last few years. Quite frankly there are more laws on importing a pair of sneakers than there are for importing or manufacturing ammunition. Does the government hate shoes?

            It is still a simply supply and demand issue, if you think otherwise at this point then you probably hang out on infowars all day long.

            Price is merely a function of supply and demand. Prices are up because the supply has not caught up with the demand. Supply does not instantly increase because demand us up, especially not when the product is being produced here in the States. Again, it takes time to plan out plant expansions, to buy new tooling and train new personnel. I promise Hornady, Federal, and Winchester don’t want to lose business because they didn’t have enough product on the market. They are increasing production as much as they SUSTAINABLY can.

            I’m tired of this infowars-NWO-tinfoil hat crap. Yes the liberals would love to remove guns from us. Yes some individual states have tried that, but no our federal government is not sneakily buying up all the ammo, forcing inflated prices, or faking shootings. I’m sick of seeing bubba backwoods buying all
            the ammo he can because a lead smelter, who NOT ONE SINGLE AMMO MFG buys lead from, is closing. It’s just dumb, and those who espouse these ideas that are based on a twisted factoid make the rest of us look bad to the public.

            We are swinging a double edged sword mightily. We have successfully introduced millions of new members to the fraternity of firearms. WE have sent a message that the 2nd
            Amendment will not be infringed if we have a say in the matter. The problem with ammo is these new enthusiasts have just as much money as you and I. They want to buy that same box of Golden Bullets as much as we do, that same box of Golden Bullets that we scoffed at 3-4 years ago. Look at your Local gun stores,
            glass cases that used to be PACKED with guns are now sparsely populated. You used to be able to go to Academy and have a rough time figuring out what VERSION of a particular model you want. Now you are lucky to see more than one of any particular model at a single store in the calibers that are hard to find
            ammo for.

            The prices will come down eventually, but probably never as low as it was 10 years ago. This is simply because we are slowly winning over more and more people.

          • Nicholas Crimaldi

            So, without actually providing any debate or proof that the stories that Infowars writes about random government agencies buying huge amounts of ammo (something they provide proof of) are nonsense, you have chalked up pretty much anything of any claimed substance (that you once again did not provided any reference or dispute any facts about) on Infowars to be “NWO tin-foil-hat-crap”?

            Since ALL of the stories they wrote were about larger caliber ammo that was almost completely unattainable after their purchases, and not .22 rounds as mentioned specifically in this article, I’d say your input has to do more with your distaste for “Infowars” than for the mentioned topic of .22 rounds. That’s interesting. What’s your intent here? You seem fairly well worded, but your agenda has nothing to do with ammo, and it’s common knowledge at this point that a NWO agenda has been in place for decades. Does is bother you that you no longer persuade anyone with your blank ramblings?

          • SpazC

            Good lord, trolling 3 month old discussions. I’ll bite though.

            This is an online discussion thread/forum and quite frankly I’m too lazy to back up common sense and common knowledge with a complete works cited page. What I will say is I don’t particularly care about info wars, but if I was in the tin foil industry I’d love you guys. Infowars is essentially a far right tabloid where 99% of their stuff is rooted on 1% of truth, then speculated upon. 1% of the time they actually have something right. The problem there is that because there is a small bit of truth in each story every reader takes the further 99% ( the speculation) as truth as well.

            The Agencies buying up B-B-B-B-BILLIONS of rounds of ammo is a perfect example of this. The 1% of truth is they ( the various agencies) wrote contracts for OPTIONS to buy that much ammo over the course of a decade or more. The 99% speculation/untruths/misinformation is that somehow these agencies are taking ALL of these ammo options now.

            These contracts are common place in the private market for all manner of goods. Large companies write these up so that they don’t have their prices go up with inflation ,simply a cost management measure. Government agencies do this all the time as well, ironically, to save us taxpayers money.

            What you missed, mainly because you are trolling 3 month old threads, is that my above comment was in response to one of your fellow shiny-hat brethren who deleted his comment after I gave him a dose of reality/common sense.

            At the end of the day I have no agenda. I’m just a fellow gun enthusiast who hates the crazy label we get blanketed with because of the likes of you. I’m well versed because I’m in sales, I actually paid attention in school, and I use more than 5% of the grey cheese God gave me.

            The truly ironic part of all of this, is that even if I took the time list the articles debunking everything that you could ever claim, you’ll just dismiss me as a brainwashed sheeple or part of the Shady-Evil-Empire/NWO/whever. Sadly you’re the one who’s immersed yourself in an entire culture of speculation and panic, brainwashing your self into constant fear.

          • Nicholas Crimaldi

            So I’m a troll because I didn’t comment in a timely manner in accordance to your life, your perspective? Well Spaz, your name suits you well. Your show of arrogance and inability to converse without elevating your ego with what you think are witty comments about the efficiency of your brain function only proves that you are not here for anyone but yourself. Next time, be softer on your approach. You project much onto others, yet know so little about your own fear of not being able to command others into a complacent, predictable, and very average way of following (not thinking). Most of your insults and assumptions are based on predictable attacks that individuals like yourself use to detract from the Truth. Go write a book next time, your act is worn dry, I’ve heard it a million times and it reflects more of a sociopath than that of someone who will ever be socially beneficial to humanity and the challenges that we face.

          • SpazC

            Pretty much. That, and a quick look at your posts in other threads seems to prove it to me as well.

            I seem to be able to command you pretty well, I DARE you not to respond to this post!

            You wont be able to resist, see you in a few!

          • shan

            I am pretty sure that if this was true then the NRA and ammo manufacturers would have been all over it mailing out letters to the millions of gun owners. We aren’t members of the NRA but the 1st time my husband signed up for a hunting license, within weeks we had a letter from the NRA asking us to sign up and donate money because if Obama got elected then he was going to immediately pass legislation that would take all of our guns away. I have family members who were silly enough to believe this rhetoric and promptly went out and stocked up on as much ammo as the could afford and extra guns to shoot it. And what happened? Did Obama take our guns away? No!!! He didn’t even extend the assault weapons ban that Clinton implemented and Bush extended. People buy excessive amounts, more than they need because of this fear mongering by the NRA and other groups. And I know they do it because every time we buy a new gun we get a whole wave of that type of propaganda. Again if there really was an artificial demand being created by the government then the NRA and republicans would be all over it saying it violates our rights. And if the government was trying to restrict guns by doing this why would they do the manufacturers a favor and make them more revenue?

          • JRJ21

            Bush let the ban sunset.

          • supergun

            He tried to pass and impose those actions that you write about. Enough Americans let the lawmakers know their displeasure about the 2nd Amendment infringements, the the actions were voted down. Enough Americans stood up. The NRA is just a group of law abiding American gun owners.

    • Chris

      Give me a break. Have you been shopping for 22lr in the past year? The situation is even worse now than ever; this has been a huge problem for well over a year now. I don’t think waiting until summer is going to help. The only time I was able to get any 22 ammo in the stores was during a snow storm. And another thing, 7 cents a round? That is almost double what the retailers charge in Walmart for all the plinking ammo so those are SCALPERS. The average price for Federal, winchester, Remington and a few others is .04 cents a round. Wake up pall this is a huge issue. I ordered a Bucket o Bullets two months ago that was on backorder until June. I just called to check on my order and guess what, it will not be shipped to my house until December 2014 (maybe). Almost 13 months after I ordered it. The lady told me that they had 29,000 backorders for just that one type of ammo. So, 29,000 * 1400 rounds = 40,600,000. 40 MILLION rounds on back order from one ammunition supplier of one brand. This issue is HUGE!!!!!

      • J Galt

        I bought 1000 rounds Friday for $39.98 at Fleet Farm. Same old price as the old days. They were out by the next day, however. Lady there said “word must be out — people have been flocking in.” I think it’s a Demand thing. Everyone used to be content with 200 rounds on their shelf. Now they all want 2000. That just destroys the supply pipeline until everyone is full. (If everyone in America decided to keep 1 extra gallon of gas in their car at any given time, there were be long lines and panic buying of gas too.)

        • VayaconMuerte

          OUCH! Sure am glad I saw this coming in 2008, and picked up ‘a bit’ then. As I remember it, I was buying 550’s (1100 rounds per 2 bricks) of plinker stuff for about $13 a box (that’s $26 per 1100, or about $23.64 a thousand).

          Since this has been ‘shortage shortage shortage’ since about Nov. 21, 2008, I’d say that is about 6-years back to affordable ammunition. I am not, WILL NOT, pay $40 a thousand for .22LR. If they are trying to find a price-point, and you are willing to pay it, fine. They have passed me up. My answer? a $200 Ruger .22 caliber air rifle that hits 1200-fps, nearly same as most run-of-the-mill rimfires.

          Greatest way to drive people away from firearms – let them have their guns, we’ll short their ammo so they can’t shoot them. Justifying it as ‘our fault’ is the surest way to politick for the gun grabbers, too.

          • supergun

            I don’t keep my ammo ten years. I enjoy shooting it. I keep it rotated. I just buy some when I see it on sale or price reduced to keep my inventory up to date. If someone needs some, I will share it. Try to buy a box a week. That way I don’t hoard it.

    • Todd Elliott

      your link brought up 1 place to buy 22 lr that is cheaper than dirt and when you go there all supplies out of stock!

    • Howard Lee Harkness

      If they really were selling .22LR for 7 cents, they aren’t now. Lowest price I saw was 14 cents. Highest was 90 cents. And the 14-cent rounds were out of stock.

    • Hank Seiter

      OK, if the manufacturers are still putting out the same volume of .22 and assuming that the jobbers, distributors and wholesalers all have equal access to that total industry production of .22 ammo all by contract obligations, then why aren’t dealers across the board (who also have purchase “contracts” with their suppliers/distributors) getting their customary deliveries like they did before two years ago? Why am I hearing complaints from DEALERS that they aren’t getting what they used to get? It seems to me the problem isn’t exclusive to civilian hoarders, but rather the problem is further up the supply chain and some entity is co-opting a significant amount of the .22 ammo being manufactured. It’s only now our shop is getting some of its backorders from over 18 months ago and though the stuff disappears from the shelf within a few days or a week at the “new normal price” of around $24 to $27 dollars, we’re still not getting our regular shipment that we used to get two years ago.

  • thesteppenwolf

    I’m curious what percentage of their current production is dedicated to .22 lr. It’s inexpensive and I’m sure their profit margins are a lot lower on bricks of .22 lr as compared to 9mm, .40, .45, .5.56 and .308.

    They can give these tongue in cheek answers that their operating 24/7 but they are operating to fulfill mainly orders for higher caliber rounds and meet the demands of federal and local po-po contracts.

    While the average non-uniformed American trains with .22 lr due to cost. The Feds and cops don’t because it’s not their money they’re spending. So keep in mind folks these ammo companies aren’t patriots, they’re businesses and their biggest buyers aren’t people like you and me. They’re faceless gov. agencies that order bullet’s by the billion for “training” purposes.

    So .22 lr production isn’t a concern to them and neither are you. Just some food for thought.

    Semper Fi

  • ffjdavis

    Honestly I work for a sporting goods store and I’ve bee. There for a year and a half. Some places just don’t get any I understand however my store we get 22lr ammunition at least 3 times a week and I tell you we can’t keep our stock in the store past 11 am (we open at 8) people come flocking like wolves for this ammo! And I’ve even talked to a couple different companies and they have all said the same thing as these guys are saying. THEY ARE MAXED OUT! trying to keep up with this crazy uprising demand of 22lr that has come over the past year after the threats on our 2nd amendment started an uproar! Everyone remembers when you couldn’t get ANY automatic handgun ammunition 6 months ago starting after the shooting in Connecticut.

    • gmiller

      I’m curious if your sporting goods store is getting the same amount of ammunition as in the past or less than before.

      • Mobius1

        Contracts are honored first. that’s probably why.

      • http://ambulancesboomstickscoffee.blogspot.com Jim (firefighter4884)

        gmiller, I work part time at a local gun store in the midwest. 6 months before the shooting in 12/2013, we ordered and received, and sold on sale, more than 100,000 rounds of Federal American Eagle .22LR 40gr Lead Solids. We sold them at $20.00 / brick, which was like $2 less than what we would normally have charged for them. The ammo was put on special from our distributor because they were attempting to get their inventory down.

        We have seen a massive decrease in the amount of .22LR that’s available. Where it used to be possible to call and order cases and expect to have it in less than 2 weeks, this month, if we a case, we’ll be lucky.

  • gunslinger

    Ill bite. Im betting most if not all ammo companies are running 24/7. Im betting their distributors sre buying as it rolls off the line.

    But do they hqv3 dedicated lines for each caliber? Or do they make several types on the same line? Working in manufacturing and packaging most companies have less production lines than product lines. They use one line for several products.

    So I bet its that civilian and government demand is greater than their production capacity. So why not just build more lines? Tons of reasons.
    1 you need raw materials. And the logistics to get them. Im sure brass lead and copper manufacturers are under a crunch to meed these demands.
    2 you need people to run the lines and tike to train I would assume the normal employees are already maxing out.
    3 it takes time to build new lines…and money. It can take 6 months to a year to get a new line up and running. Will the demand be up there in a year?

    Big cost analysis is done to get this.

    But at the end of the day its everyone buying it as fast as they can. I heard stories of guys with over 100,000 of .22lr. 50k of 223…just obscene ammounts. Bubba in the suburbs wont shoot that much.
    And the feds with billion round contracts.. tell them to stop buying.

    Look back at pmags…..

    • wzrd1

      You’re not going to get the feds to stop buying, in case you forgot, they’re still shooting a lot of rounds in Afghanistan.
      I remember having SF types mooching 9mm rounds from commo units in Afghanistan.
      Talk about a WTF moment!

  • Barack Obama

    Think about it, I’m going to go out on a limb here and say 22lr is probably the ammo manufacturers least profitable round. When everyone including the govt is buying up every 9mm, 40, and 5.56/223 they can get their hands on why would they bother shifting a lot of production to 22lr?

    • TexTopCat

      Well, I would not expect the same machines to be used for center fire as rim fire ammo. So, rimfire production would not be competing for machine time with center fire ammo. There does not seem to be a shortage of power or lead.

      • thesteppenwolf

        No science to back up this claim, just a knowledge of history, but given the fact that interchangeable parts are an advent of the 19th century. For munition producers to not incorporate that into their production would be ridiculous. It would be archaic for there to be a .308 machine. They would use similar machine’s and switch out die’s and cast’s as necessary depending on the caliber. There is not a lowly .22lr producing machine that is being abandoned. Instead it is more likely producing .223 at a higher profit margin.

        • TexTopCat

          Since .22LR and other RIMFIRE ammo requires the primer chemicals to be dropped in the brass and the brass to be spinning to spread the chemical out to the rim of the shell and center fire ammo requires the brass to be shaped for a primmer and the primer inserted in a separate operation not sure if much of the process could share the same equipment.
          I have spoken to a couple of small local ammo manufactures and they have stated the rim fire equipment is very different and not worthwhile on any thing but massive scale.

          • Olyn McKinney

            I know nothing about the commercial production of ammunition and I know that you are right about the priming part, but it seems to me that if even one operation in the production process uses the same machine, such as bullet seating, that would create a point at which only one caliber could be produced at a time. Just my two cents worth.

          • yessah3

            If that is the case do you think it wouldn’t be more worthwhile for them to just purchase that one additional piece and run two machines simultaneously and generate more profit due to the many fixed costs of running a large plant operation?

        • HSR47

          There is a fundamental difference between centerfire ammunition and rimfire ammunition. The manufacturing processes are entirely different, and thus the machinery is as well.

  • Greensoup

    If you watch sites with deal links for ammo you can see Cabelas basically has in stock 22LR in multiple brands almost every week, limit 1 which sells out. Midway had 22LR buckets for backorder, on I a site I linked through and ordered from. Total number of hits to that link on that single site 133,000+. That doesn’t include people going through other sites. Go look at gun websites and you’ll see people with hundreds of thousands of rounds of 22LR. I see boxes on the shelf at the gun stores, they’re just double or triple the price of two years ago.

    The 22 shotshells were sold out, the dang bbs, cbs etc were sold out, heck the blanks were sold out. People will buy anything in a panic and people will do anything to make a buck. Put those two together and you get a year long shortage of ammo and people paying $300+ for a stripped lower.

  • James

    It would seem that companies aren’t eager to purchase too much new equipment, facilities, and staff. To do so would hurt said companies when demand wears off, think of it like a stock bubble. This is a problem of our own creation, as we are frantically buying due to the fact that we cant find any, so we purchase as much as we can when we see it, which contributes to the problem. If companies increased past their current maximums and filled the demand, we would stop buying so much of it because it would be available, and the companies overstocked with too much expensive equipment. Layoffs ensue.

    • Eric S

      I’d argue it’s more like the tulip bubble. The buyers perceive it as an investment and are thus creating an artificial shortage. So you have a bunch of public buying up all the ammo at .11/round and selling it for .50/rd thus creating a self-fulfilling prophecy about shortage.. At one point there will be market saturation and prices will drop as there are no more people willing to buy another 10k rounds at inflated prices. I hope.

      • matthew_carberry

        No “hope” about it. Did you notice all those “classic pre-ban” AR’s for sale several months back when prices were absurd? Those were the suckers who bought high during the AWB who found themselves sitting on over-priced guns after it sunsetted trying to get their money back without taking a bath. The folks who bought them will be in the same position and have to choose between holding or selling at a loss.

        Same thing will happen when the S doesn’t really hit the fan and the guys who stocked up on ammo at .75 per round realize they can’t eat the ammo and have better things to spend money on and start being willing to accept realistic market prices to get at least something back.

        • MichaelZWilliamson

          I look forward to buying it from them cheap next year when they need the money to pay for their overpriced 0care plans. If they complain about how they trusted 0bama and he sold them out, I’ll drop my offer by 10%. Stupidity needs to hurt.

          • supergun

            That is the first time that I have seen that expression. The 0care plans. Pretty cool.

          • Zebra Dun

            Ocare, now that my friend is just cool.

          • ObiWanWotan

            ZeroCare, not OhCare. C’mon man. :)

          • WaRottie

            They will need the ammo again when the shit really does hit the fan. It may be a while down the road. It may not. It only takes one or two elections to get rid of our ammo supply as we know it. Like those annoying commercials on TV about gold …I buy ammo every chance I get. It aint going bad any time soon.

          • Cobra0351

            Roger that sir!

        • Hyhosilver

          Or when the shtf you will trade your beans for their bullets. Maybe cause you can’t hunt meat with a can of beans….

          • matthew_carberry

            Being smart enough to not pay idiot prices for ammo does not equal not buying ammo.

          • eat_your_veggies

            If the economy collapses do you think you are going to turn into Crocodile Dundee and eat meat three times per day after hunting in the field down the block? Your body needs plant material and you need to have a garden growing if you are worried about all that.

            By the way, you’re not going to be much of a tracker with scurvy.

          • yessah3

            And if everyone is hunting, how much meat will really be available. I think you are more likely to find people hunting people. Cannibalism will eventually become normal. I think I would rather die. LOL!

          • jimt

            Actually, most people will not be hunting… MOST people do not step foot off concrete and never will. Most people rely on food in the supermarket and most people, wouldn’t have the first clue on what to do if it’s not in the supermarket.

          • WaRottie

            Give me your address. I may have to eat you.

          • Ban-the-22

            Speak for yourself, please. All I know is that .22 is a poor antipersonnel round. Some of the people who may end up on the menu may have hoarded .22 ammo. The bottom line is that this may be another reason for the ammo to come down in price…

          • 22 user

            the 22 is not an antipersonnel round!!! is for small game squirels, rabbits, groundhogs,

          • WaRottie

            Most will die from dehydration and disease before starvation once the electricity is gone anyway. Just my .02 worth.

          • yessah3

            More than likely they will realize they were suckers and sell at a loss or shoot a whole lot.

          • kamikazecowboy

            I bet crocodile Dundee could take a deer down with a can of beans like he took that crook down Lmao

          • cnnspy

            Yes you can hunt with a can of beans, you just have to know how.

      • supergun

        I think the government is buying it and burying it in the Hudson River.

    • supergun

      Catch 22

      • Bazooka Joe

        LOL..that’s funny I don’t care who you are.

    • EOD1

      Sorry to hear you went and asked the government about the 22 problem. ATK is still owned by the feds and contractors run the place. The people in the office are government employees. My contacts in the SF communities tell me the government is buying up all the 22 they can get training with some and destroying the rest. They are doing this for 2 reasons, 1 to control the supply, 2 to keep it out of our hand ( Joe public). Its the same thing they do to the farmer of the Midwest. They pay them better not to plow and produce crops. so they can control the food. You control the food, you control the people. This is old school tactics used all over the world. Your government would do this to you. Don’t be foolish to think different.

      • Ben

        Your tinfoil hat is a little too tight. People like you are the problem.

        • eod1

          We will see everyone has their own opinion. I have helped the government do this to people like you and it is so easy when they are as close minded as yourself.

          • VayaconMuerte

            I have seen ‘controlled burns’ of civilian ammunition three times in my life. NONE were published or released to the public in any way. The actual test of whether or not this is happening, is to check the government ‘bids website’ and see if there are any contracts for conventional ammo, that allow for ‘and additional rimfire ammunition for auxiliary training, as may be required’ written into the bids. If so, then you’d have to see if you can find the winning bids, and the terms for the rimfire purchase contingency – and how much was included in that bid award.

            I find it hilarious that you can even find 5.56-mm, 9-mm and .40-cal in Wal-Mart now, but you STILL can’t get a brick of .22LR from them.

            If you experienced this total business INCOMPETENCE in any other industry, you’d howl ‘mom-and-pop-shop’ in a second. Imagine not being able to buy a Ford F150 for MONTHS, because they were all sold out. The last industry fool producing something that did this was Harley Davidson back in the early 1990’s. Back-orders of 1-year brought a DOZEN manufacturers on the scene to compete, from Polaris to Victory, to most of the Japanese companies.

            Get a Republican President who is pro-gun, get him to fire and replace some people at BATFE, make it fairly easy again to get an ammunition manufacturer’s stamp, and then have someone jump SOLELY into making and selling $13 a brick .22LR’s. You’ll see so much Winchester and Remington .22LR on your local WM shelves inside of a month, your head will swim.

            Now, saying that – who’s REALLY to blame? Democrats? Greedy OEMs choking the supply lines? Contrary BATFE?

            Clearly, if this is the case – IT IS NOT A CUSTOMER OVER-DEMAND! There’s your proof, the customer didn’t even get mentioned in the ‘who’s fault is it’ list!

            Regardless of the lies – the ANSWER is for a .22LR ONLY manufacturer to enter into the mix – and saturate the market (it will also destroy the scalpers, simultaneously!)

        • Robby Robinson

          Mock all you want, there is some truth to that

      • Hyhosilver

        Keep prepping. Being safe is better than being sorry

      • Luke

        If Alliant Techsystems (ATK) is owned by the government, it will be news to the thousands of stockholders since ATK stock is available on the New York Stock Exchange (143.7 +7.07 5.17%) as of this morning. They used to be part of Honeywell International which is also a publicly traded company but were spun off in the 1990s. There are plenty of stupid schemes being carried out by the national government but running a fake defence industry company with publicly owned stock is not one of them.

        Why is there so little 0.22 long rifle and still somewhat elevated prices on other rounds? Part of it is inflation. “I remember when. . ” I do as well. I still have a little bit of 0.308 that I bought at around fifteen cents a round. I don’t ever expect to pay that price again. I just emptied an old box of “Wildcat” 22 long rifle ammo that still had a price sticker for $9.99 on it. I glued it shut around a block of Styrofoam and put a couple of coats of clear polyurethane varnish on it being sure to preserve that price sticker. That’s another one I won’t see again any time soon. Time marches on and pending a return to the gold standard or a selling-spples-on-the-streetcorner level of economic adjustment we won’t see those prices again.

        There are a lot more shooters now and most of them bought 0.22 rifles. I personally know of three families who, in the last year, bought their first firearm. In all cases it was an 0.22 rifle. They go to the range as often as they can. Expand this trend across the country and you get a lot more consumption of ammo.

        As a response to our current “Dear Leader” there are more shooting events. Boy Scout troops in some areas are having family 0.22 shoots and the the Appleseed program is seeing record interest. Again, more ammo consumption.

        Ammunition manufacturers have been burned by price bubbles in the past and were reluctant to bring new production on line or hire new workers. Only now are companies such as Olin getting ready to open new facilities. Up until now all the manufacturers have been doing is putting on extra shifts and making sure that the down time on the production lines is as low as possible. Total US current production is estimated to be around two billion rounds a year but when you start dividing by 500/brick and 50 states and 52 weeks a year and a couple of hundred stores in each state you wind up with only a couple of bricks per store per week.

        And finally, yes there are scalpers: LOTS of scalpers. Much of that twenty-five cents a round stuff you see on the internet is actually being put on line by that same dealer who sadly shakes his head and tells you that he doesn’t have any ammo while pushing the box behind the cabinet with his foot.

        So, is there a solution? Reloading helps. Primers are available again at about $35 a thousand where they have been for a long time. In another few months Olin and other vendors plan on opening up new production lines which will help. Will we ever see bricks of 0.22 for $10? No, but we might see them for about $28 and I can live with that.

        Maintain a reasonable stockpile. Keep practising as much as you can.and annoy the hell out of our Dear Leaders.

      • Fanatoli Guyoff

        I took a look at the numbers but they aren’t really much higher than they’ve ever been historically (they are readily available if you search for em), I think it’s actually more of a demand bubble to be honest.

        • yessah3

          I actually completely agree, but if the bubble doesn’t burst, (is demand elastic or inelastic?), then manufacturers have to step in. I do think at some point the bubble will burst though. It will start with people realizing that $100 for a 500 round brick is too much. That same brick will lower in value. Someone selling that brick to stay competitive will have to sell it lower than their competitors and you will see the same spiral down as we saw going up. Fingers crossed. LOL!

      • Billy Ballard

        you are crazy. It’s the hoarders and re-sellers that is the problem.

      • husky1

        we are a sporting goods shop in northern MI my reps tell me there sales on ALL RIMFIRE AMMO is DOWN 75-80% in 2013 nothing available to sell Jerrys sports center & Ellettt brothers outdoor sports & Simmons all say the same my Jerrys rep told me there normal Volume on 500 pack bricks of Rimfire is 250,000 a week currently they are receiving 3000-5000 bricks a week now divide that between 20000-25000 dealers nationwide that is where the shortage is IT IS NOT BEING MADE OR GETTING TO THE DISTRIBUTORS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • zipper

          understand a shortage of defensive and mil calibers, but .22lr?
          something is wrong here. worked in the trade for years and was overflowing with .22lr. now there are sales on 5.56, 7.62×39, 9mm, .40sw, .45acp. but no .22lr. must be a combo of more .22 shooters, hoarding, and mostly, lowered production. they don’t use the same facilities for the rimfire ammo as for centerfire, so it’s not a matter of scheduling runs. something is wrong here.

      • Mobius1

        Well, I don’t have any contacts, I myself I am SF and guess what we complain about, how all the civs are buying up all the ammo not the other way around. Also, while there is a shortage of .22 there wasn’t of 7.62, .40, .308, 20 and 14 gauge and a dozen other calibers. Looks like they missed out on snatching up all the other kinds of ammo there were. You also do not know what a contractor is. In addition to that, there is such a demand for .22 in the states, that other countries are shipping over .22. Stop stockpiling and stop listening to crock and bull.

      • tim2112

        i didn’t realize the govt or military used .22s for training. I’ve never heard of “govt. or military surplus .22 ammo either”. Why would the feds want to keep .22 ammo out of our hands and not any of the other shotgun, rifle or pistol centerfire rounds. I feel like the shortage may be my fault just because I went out and bought 3 .22 Ruger MKIIIs for my 2 kids and myself so we could have some good family fun. I grew up as an avid .22 user and competitor. After a 15 yr absence from the sport, because of job and income issues, I was ecstatic about getting back into it. I never would’ve dreamed this could actually happen. I, personally, blame it on the hoarders, which are driven by the types of garbage coming forth out of the mouths of people like you. If I am wrong…I apologize in advance.

        • Greg

          USAF used .22lr for qualification in the 1980s.

      • A dad

        EOD1,
        You hit it on the nail but missed one piece. No cheap ammo no educating your children how to shoot thus a loss of up and coming gun owners thats what they’re shooting for. What about the military in the future we will not have very many good marksmen left to defend our country.

        • wishiwaspresidentforaweek

          well I am very sad to have to be the one too tell you this but it s not our country anymore. Big Business and the government have corrupted each other so grossly the only way we will ever find out what really happen would be hunt them down like the dogs they really are hang the ones that are responsible. and take our country back .

          • Hank Seiter

            More specifically it’s not “big business” or even “capitalism” that’s the problem in the broader context, rather it’s the worst possible case of when crony corporatism whores itself to national socialism. This is precisely what happened when National Socialist Nazism heavily regulated privately owned businesses which in turn made German “big business” a lap dog of government collectivism. We haven’t had a true free market capitalist system since the mid-1850s.

      • Air Cav Soldat

        If the Feds own the factory, why would they make it, buy it up, and then destroy it? I know the government is wasteful (and stupid sometimes) but wouldn’t it be easier to simply make less?

  • Lance

    See many for sale at Oregon’s Bi Mart all the time.

    • schizuki

      Bi Mart? That doesn’t sound like a place that sells ammo. More like gimp masks and plus-size lingerie.

      • Zebra Dun

        As well as the hello Kitty Strap-on!

        Go ahead, google it, but be aware it’s kinky!

  • cs

    Gold may not always get you ammo, but ammo will always get you gold. (Post collapse economics)

  • JT

    It doesn’t help you’ve got guys on sites like Gunblast.com saying buy ammo, it doesn’t go bad. We don’t need to encourage hoarders. No different than me going to the grocery store and buying up all the aspirin, becase you need that in this “barter economy.” Hopefully that doesn’t get hit next by these hoarders. You’d have people dying of strokes and fevers because some nutters had to buy it all up

    • HSR47

      I typically like to keep 1-2 years worth of range ammo on hand.

      I’m not a hoarder, I’m a shooter on a budget. I’ve found that by buying/stocking ammunition in quantity, I can keep my cost per round to an absolute minimum. This in turn allows me to shoot more.

      It also allows me to *not* purchase ammunition when prices spike, and there are supply shortages.

    • DiverEngrSL17K

      JT, I have to say you have a very good point. I’ve always liked Jeff Quinn’s Gunblast.com web site, although I don’t necessarily agree with everything he, or his co-writers, say. Like everything else, this is a subject open to debate and critical thinking — the key word being “critical thinking” on the part of you, me and everyone else.

    • Guy Fawkes

      The people who complain about “hoarders” are invariably the people who were too stupid to stock up when it was plentiful, and think they have a “right” to always have cheap plentiful goods on the shelf whenever they feel like buying.

      • MichaelZWilliamson

        And upstream you were complaining that it wasn’t on the shelves…which means you think you have a right to expect it in stock.

    • Zebra Dun

      I try heroically to hoard ammo, then the grandson’s come over and we gleefully shoot it up!

  • AaronW

    I have a theory that demand might suddenly slacken, production won’t ratchet down immediately to match. The result: a brief surge of reasonably priced .22. A neat little price pocket that will probably last about 2-4 weeks.

  • M.M.D.C.

    Thanks Steve!

  • Carmen Fovozzo

    The bigger shortish is 9MM, not 22.

    • Bruce

      If you’ve got a line on .22 I’ll trade you all the 9mm you can shoot.

      • David Sharpe

        We have tons of .22 ammo in Canada.

        But you might have an issue getting it back over the border.

      • MichaelZWilliamson

        If you google “ammo finder,” you’ll find several sites that track availability. It’s out there.

    • GunTotingLib

      My local Sportco in Fife Washington has pallets of the common calibers including 9mm , as long as you don’t mind paying $19.00 a box. Have’t had a problem getting 9mm since September.

      • Bruce

        I buy my ammo at the same place. I bought 10 boxes of 9mm for 13.99 a box last time i was there. .40 was 18.99 and .45 was 21.49. Sometimes they have .22 behind the counter and there is a box limit.

        • GunTotingLib

          Best prices and availability in Pierce county for Ammo, Missed the cheap 9mm. $13.99 is a good buy in todays market But no .22 available the last few times I was there, I always ask. Bought some online at ammosupplywarehouse.com to fill a Christmas gift list at silly high prices. Lucky for me I have a pretty big stock pile for my self and don’t real shoot a lot of .22

    • atm

      Plenty of 9mm around here.

  • Tim Pearce

    The real problem is jerks who work for the manufacturers and dealers buying everything, then going to gun shows and putting it online for twice to four times retail price.
    If you can, avoid buying the ammo if it’s issues like this. Call the seller out on it.

    • HSR47

      From what I’ve seen during this ammunition shortage is that there are two kinds of dealers: Those who have a VERY large stock, and those that don’t.

      The former are getting so much ammunition that a few boxes here or there for employees is barely a drop in the bucket. The latter are barely getting *any* ammunition, and their prices tend to reflect this.

      I work part-time for a dealer that falls firmly into the latter category. When it comes to 9mm, we barely seem to get any in at the store, and when we do it’s typically ~17 per 50; Why would I pay that when I can get it for 12.5 or less elsewhere? Hell, I can get factory new ammunition for less than we charge to reload our customers’ brass.

  • Ty Fawks

    A few months back Guns & Ammo magazine had an article on this issue. Very well written. It’s true manufacturers are pumping it out as fast as possible. But the shooting industry has grown by leaps and bounds. Ever since America started about more firearms regulations after those school shooting and possible even The 2012 hype helped too. More people bought guns (either to be under and hope for Grand fathered Laws if they change) so this large increase in firearms owners means an even larger increase for ammo demands. Heck here in Canada getting one’s hand on a 10/22 new from store more then usually means waiting for back orders for a couple months like I did this year.

    Also as stated by another person below. If an individual dealer is charging an exuberant amount more then regular commercial available ammo call them on it. I dealt with this at a gun show where prices were ridicules by most vendors.

    • HSR47

      “large increase in firearms owners means an even larger increase for ammo demands.”

      This.

      Speaking generally, there were a LOT of people who purchased their first gun(s) during this panic. Some were leftists who hoped that a ban would increase the value of their investment (the same thing happened in 1994), and some were just new shooters who, for a variety of reasons, finally made the decision to get into the hobby.

      Many in the first group seem to have divested themselves of their purchases, while the second group has continued to swell.

      This means that there are a lot of new shooters who had no firearms, accessories (including magazines), or ammunition at the start of this panic. For the most part, the guns came back within ~3-6 months; it isn’t perfect, but most stores have a fairly good selection. Accessories (including powder and primers) started building up around the 9 months. Now at 12 months it seems that ammunition may finally be starting to flow more normally.

      At this rate, barring another panic, the market will probably be almost back to normal sometime next summer.

  • MP McCrillis

    Let’s be honest. ATK is more than a sporting ammunition producer. It’s a huge multi-national with a large stake in the military-industrial complex. These guys produce armament systems for the military. Why are they producing .22 shells at all? Better question: Why can’t a small manufacturer produce those same shells to compete with them if demand is so high?

    Have a look at their Board of Directors: http://ir.atk.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=118594&p=irol-govboard

    • PatrickHenry1789

      I just kind of skimmed through it. But it looks like a who’s who of former military and defense contractors.

    • wzrd1

      “Why are they producing .22 shells at all?”

      Because, there is money to be made selling them.
      That is capitalism 101.

      • MP McCrillis

        Oh, I think a former Managing Director of Lehman Brothers is well beyond Intro to Economics.

      • yessah3

        Supply and demand. Adam Smith’s invisible hand. LOL!

  • bdr

    there isn’t enough profit margin for them to tool down from the bigger ammo, like 9mm–40 cal.–45 so the brass mfg. making the casings are looking at making a bigger profit on the larger ammo. no margin in 22.

    • yessah3

      There is when it concerns their future. Most kids start off with and shoot 22LR.

  • Carmen Fovozzo

    $19.00 a box they can sell it to someone else..

  • Shooter13

    ya i know a few people workin at atk up here in lewiston idaho. them and freedom munitions are running constantly. I dont think there is five minutes in a week that they aren’t making bullets.

  • John Reynolds

    I am not sure the question is the right one… Asking why there is a 22lr shortage? Does anyone believe the government has ever been a heavy user/buyer of 22lr ammo? So obviously the 22lr shortage is caused by those who use/buy it. But what about 9mm, 45ACP, 40S&W, 10mm, 223, etc? Ask those questions… get a different answer?

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      Very few .gov agencies use .45 or 10mm these days.

      There’s plenty of ammo at the gun show, and ammoseek.com among other sites will find you stuff all over. People are still buying.

  • ShlomoSapien

    ATK is still being sh!tty though. I bought three .22lr boxes yesterday. 40 rounds (no longer 50) for $2.49 (the 50 round boxes used to be $2). Decreasing the number of rounds in a box by 20% and increasing the price by 20%.

  • survivor50

    bdr is right. At $2.00 a round vs $.60 a round, which one would you make and sell? I get the business aspect, however, they could also sell as much .22 as they can make, and the machinery and supplies are already in place. It’s not a loss leader, it’s actually another profit center. We do shoot competition with .22’s… and reloading ain’t an option.

  • survivor50

    Oh yeah! Sure we’re hoarding it also. I don’t anyone who shoots regularly who isn’t stockpiling their favorites. Buy it cheap as possible, put it up, rotate your stock, enjoy shooting. But we’ve always done that. It never drives the price up. DEMAND drives the price up, and all the media hype and gun grabbers caused the panic buying. (Another GOOD reason to keep voting for the folks who want to take it all away!) Plain and simple. Same for all our reloading supplies. Which one of you would ever have predicted a run on .44 mag cast lead bullets… I mean besides Wyatt Earp?

  • atm

    If you want to see where Walmart .22 is going, go to a gun show. You will see all of the Walmart brands for sale, marked up 200-300%.

    Went to a show this weekend where 3 tables were obviously just reselling Walmart ammo at jacked up prices. I guess I now know who is waiting at the ammo counter when the trucks arrive.

    • Plinker

      I went to a gun show last weekend here in OR. I was hopping to find some 22 ammo there since none of the sporting good stores here ever have any in stock. Sadly It was a lousy gun show with hardly any booths. However there was one guy there who had 22 ammo, It was a plastic bag with an open box of 525 rounds of federal 22 shells, they were old and all carotid, Bad! Even though I would never put them in one of my guns, I thought I would asked what he wanted for them. He said he was asking $40.00 dollars for them and claimed all I needed to do was get an oily rag and they would clean right up. I just laughed and shook my head.

  • BryanS

    Its got to be the Illuminati. Or the star chamber shadow people. Or Obummerbob square pants?

    It cant be increased metal prices, increased demand, and hoarders buying everything they can with their gratuitous pension checks.

    You want to find the guy to blame? Look to the guy with the plain table at the gun show, no business, with bulk boxes at 3x the price, and the guys buying it up to add the 1 mil rounds they have in the basement* for when the UN and Hillary Clinton come knocking to personally steel the gun from people who went out and got a carry permit.

    (*Which, when it floods, its going to all be worthless)

    • jebova2301

      My basement could flood and all of my ammo would be fine. I keep it stored in a few waterproof ammo cans.

  • Sovereign Citizen D

    in the professional world this is where you open up a new building… employing that many more people in turn. they could do more to help out the economy by creating more jobs and making consumers happy at the same time… but also they could stop selling ammo to the government.

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      Only if the demand will last long enough to recoup your investment costs.

      You should find investors with a couple of million to set you up so you can show everyone else how much better you do it.

      You could even turn down guaranteed money from the government to focus on the small buyer.

  • 7n6

    The demand is clearly extremely high and the manufacturers don’t want to expand their facilities. Thats the issue. Where the hell is all the 9mm ammo? Since 2008 Im sure there have been millions of new gun owners. I dont blame scalpers for the shortage, stores should order more. Some ammo has doubled in retail price since obama’s 1st term ( no it is not material costs). How can 9mm and 22lr go from being plentiful to non-existent? How much more is being purchased this year as opposed to previous years. Bring on the russian 22lr!

  • tt_ttf

    To those saying that the government orders don’t have an impact or that it’s minimal…..

    Depending on their raw supplies etc, the manufacturers are going to be faced with the issue that those government orders are probably at least DO rated orders – I would not be surprised if they even got DX ratings

    That means that you must fill those as the order schedules the deliveries ahead of ALL commercial orders.

    Get a blip in brass supply etc, that blows out what you can make on other machines since you must give priority to those orders

    That said – 60c a round for 22LR is just silly

    CFR › Title 15 › Subtitle B › Chapter VII › Subchapter A › Part 700 › Subpart B › Section 700.3

    15 CFR 700.3 – Priority ratings and rated orders.

    Priority ratings and rated orders.

    (a)
    Rated orders are identified by a priority
    rating consisting of the rating—either DX or DO—and a program
    identification symbol. Rated orders take preference over all unrated
    orders as necessary to meet required delivery dates. Among rated orders,
    DX rated orders take preference over DO rated orders. Program
    identification symbols indicate which approved program is involved with
    the rated order. For example, A1 identifies defense aircraft programs
    and A7 signifies defense electronic programs. The program identification
    symbols, in themselves, do not connote any priority.

    (b)
    Persons receiving rated orders must give
    them preferential treatment as required by this regulation. This means a
    person must accept and fill a rated order for items that the person
    normally supplies. The existence of previously accepted unrated or lower
    rated orders is not sufficient reason for rejecting a rated order.
    Persons are required to reschedule unrated orders if they conflict with
    performance against a rated order. Similarly, persons must reschedule DO
    rated orders if they conflict with performance against a DX rated
    order.

    (c)
    All rated orders must be scheduled to the extent possible to ensure delivery by the required delivery date.

    (d)
    Persons who receive rated orders must in
    turn place rated orders with their suppliers for the items they need to
    fill the orders. This provision ensures that suppliers will give
    priority treatment to rated orders from contractor to subcontractor to
    suppliers throughout the procurement chain.

    (e)
    Persons may place a priority rating on
    orders only when they are in receipt of a rated order, have been
    explicitly authorized to do so by the Department of Commerce or a
    Delegate Agency, or are otherwise permitted to do so by this regulation.

    [49 FR 30414, July 30, 1984. Redesignated at 54 FR 601, Jan. 9, 1989, as amended at 63 FR 31921, June 11, 1998]

  • knight0334

    Like they needed to tell us that.

    We are our own worst enemy when it comes to ammo availability.

  • lbeacham

    It doesn’t make sense but I’ve been buying way more than I target shoot for years. It started as wanting to build a stockpile as a hedge against inflation, then morphed into fear that I should include ammo in my “bartering stash” for the potential civil unrest, then fear that Obama would find a way to tax or interrupt online purchasing (as I was doing every month) and now I’m realizing that hording has become something of a habit. I’m going cold turkey now and maybe I’m not alone. I look forward to a little sanity for myself and the ammo market. I might return to shooting a little more if I continue to regain my “health”. Baby steps.

  • Guy Fawkes

    So why is all this ammo they’re producing NEVER REACHING THE SHELVES?

    Local gun shops aren’t receiving any .22 ammo.

    Local Walmart isn’t receiving any .22 ammo.

    It’s not being purchased the instant it hits the shelves — it’s not hitting the shelves in the first place.

    • yessah3

      It actually is reaching Walmart. There are many stories of Walmart employees waiting for it to hit the shelves so they can buy it for themselves or friends and family. It is probably all gone and sold before it is even unpacked out of the box it came in. LOL!

  • Ole joe

    Academy in norman, OK has CCI .22 shot shells

  • Jerome Johnson

    The only conspiracy is to keep prices high. Gee, what a concept.

  • kamikazecowboy

    THATS BS. Suppliers said same story LAST year too. Supplies will be on the shelves by summer. Well guess what EINSTIEN it still aint happening. They see a chance to GOUGE and here it is. Hell its cheaper for me to shoot my big bore rifles than it is to take my kids to the range. But then that’s capitalism at its best, bend em over while you rip em off.

    • GuidoFL

      This BS caused me to sell all my .22 firearms and purchase a 5.45×39 AK and surplus ammo. More bang for the buck.

  • Bob

    I agree with the majority. Pretty much a nothing statement.

  • outdoorsman

    As fast as the store gets it it sells out. some buy to resell at a higher cost which makes the average guy want to try to stock up. Some stores have a max sale of 100 rounds a day because some try to buy all the stock at once. Went to a gun show and there was plenty of 22’s if you wanted to pay 85 dollars for a brick. It will catch up someday!

  • buzzman1

    I was on a canadian website and they were selling 22lr in buckets of 5700 rds for about $235 canadian. That tells me that if they can sell in that bulk that cheap then there is no shortage and its all made up BS

  • Don

    I do some gunsmithing on the side for three local gun shops. Not one of these shops has received as much as one brick of 22 ammo in over a year from their distributors. I stay in touch with several others for consultation and specialty work on Antique and US military firearms, none of these shops have received any 22 ammo as either. I attend at least one gun show every month in three states. Only at this last show on Dec. 28/29 did I see any 22 ammo and that was Remington Yellow Jackets for 50 dollars a brick.. The ammo is not getting out to the small gun shops. You ATK Fan Boys can claim all you want that there’s no conspiracy but I know from first hand experience that the munition manufactures and distributors are screwing over the small shops for the big box stores and on line discount assholes. When ATK and the other fire arms and related manufactures squeeze out the small gun shops and they fold just wait and see how much is available to the public then. Sears, and Kmart no longer do Firearms and related items, Many Walmarts do not as well. If all gun sales are only a Cabela’s, Dicks and other large Mega stores who the hell do you think will be able to do out of state transfers for private owners? Who the hell is going to drive 100 miles to the closest Mega Shit Store to purchase 22’s to start with? You assholes are doing the work for the Democrats by starving off the small gun shops. Many people will not buy from nameless don’t give a shit, don’t know the product big stores and because of that the industry will die from the lack of sales. Mark my words, screwing over the little mom and pop operations is the death knell of the whole industry.

  • woodgrain

    They’re probably making ammo and selling it overseas like in Afghanistan. Not necessarily .22 cal., but that the part taking the hit maybe.

    • wzrd1

      Uh, huh. .22LR is being used in Afghanistan.
      Try a bit harder.

      Leading ammunition used in Afghanistan:
      5.56mm NATO
      6.8 SPC
      7.62×51 NATO
      7.62×39
      .50 BMG

      40mm grenade

      The AK ammo comes from former Soviet nations. The rest comes from the US.
      Note the dearth of .22LR, which this article is about.

      • woodgrain

        You missed my point. They cut back on .22 to make others could be a possibility. It may be a stretch but they’re paying good money for ammo over there. Why make .22 when you can make 5.62×39 and make more money? The Holy dollar is powerful

        • wzrd1

          Strange, as I personally know a handful of gun shop owners.
          They all say, the ammunition comes in and goes out as quickly. It’s pissing them off, as they end up with upset customers who want to buy ammunition.
          I had one who broke into a bit of a fit of profanity over calls for AR’s last year, people were driving him nuts wanting them.

          .22LR uses totally different tooling than centerfire ammunition, the equipment is dedicated to just that task. It’s not like they clear off the benches and pop in new dies.

          Honestly, I’m not sure which nation can produce more ammunition, the US or Russia. Both have long been powerhouses of the arms world.

      • yessah3

        I am sure there are a few Mosin Nagants over there as well used by sheepherders, so don’t leave out the 7.62x54r. LOL!

  • Howard Lee Harkness

    The current production capacity in the US for .22LR is roughly 4 billion rds/yr. That sounds like a lot, but if you do the numbers, that production rate can be completely exhausted by 500 people in each of the 50 states trying to purchase one 500-rd brick per week.

    • wzrd1

      Haven’t found a 500 round brick in ages. They sell out quickly, much to the irritation of the various gun shop owners I know.

      • Howard Lee Harkness

        Neither have I. I’m hoping that the author of the above article is correct about this summer. I think it’s a bit over the top to be paying *MORE* for .22LR than for 9mm. Fortunately, I have a pretty good stock for my NRA basic pistol classes — at least for the next few months, after which I’m going to have to either raise my price a bunch, or quit teaching.

        • wzrd1

          CMP still has 5000 cases of Aguila .22LR. 6-12 month wait though, due to shortages. :/
          $260 for a case of regular, $385 for target.

          • Paulsv

            You might want to revisit the CMP website. The say they are 35 Million rounds behind, and the wait for 22lr is likely to be two years or more. As for price, when they get to your order, they will tell you the price, and you can decide whether or not to buy. They won’t even say what brand it will be. When your number comes up, they’ll let you know what brand they have.

    • yessah3

      My math comes up with about 3,100 people per state doing that.
      3,100 x 52 x 50 x 500 = 4,030,000,000

      In mho, the stores are getting rationed by the demand as well. Where Walmart might demand a certain amount per month, they are demanding far more like all the other stores. In the end everyone ends up getting some, but far less than what they need. I do think hoarding is the #1 problem. I also think this is a self fulfilling problem as empty shelves leads folks to buy in bulk when it is available. Folks who wouldn’t have done so before. I think some have mentioned folks changing their rife or even pistol to shoot the more economical 22LR, which definitely could be a factor caused by the recession even. I have read that there is plenty of lead in the US and that is not a problem or a cause of the current issue.

      The answer is a tough one for manufacturers as they have to invest a lot into manufacturing facilities that may lay idle if/when things return to “normal”. You can bet they are weighing their predicted “normal” demand, whatever that is over this crisis demand. They probably have lots of factors and models in determining what that number is, and it is still a guessing game. I hope they do invest in more facilities as this does not seem to be correcting itself like most would assume it should have already done.

      • Howard Lee Harkness

        Looks like I slipped a decimal point in my calculations, and was off by roughly a factor of 6. Still fairly easy to experience that level of demand. Back before the shortage, I would occasionally buy more than that (I teach NRA Basic Pistol classes, which I have suspended due to the fact that I can’t reliably get ammo).

  • MR_22

    How many new gun owners were created last year by The Obama Gun Scare of 2013? These are new gun owners who don’t already have a stash of ammo. Maybe they’re just trying to shoot their new guns, for which they paid way too much!

    I, for one, have not been buying ammo for inflated prices, so I’m one gun owner who has NOT been contributing to the problem.

    • wzrd1

      Well, I have bought some ammunition. When I go to the range, mostly.
      And in two cases, to replace ammunition that was poorly stored and many decades old.
      I’ll wait to buy in any quantity beyond a box, it’s just not worth the insane expense.

      • MR_22

        I have also bought ammunition, in new calibers I didn’t have before the Obama Gun Scare. And I didn’t pay scalpers prices for it, either. If the price is insane, we should pass. Lack of demand at high prices with force the prices to come down.

  • Jamie Clemons

    Yes people are buying ammo like crazy, but I still don’t understand if the case is all of it is being bought up why don’t I ever see any at the retail stores. I think a lot of it is not making it to retail.

    • wzrd1

      According to the gun shop owners I personally know, as soon as the ammunition hits the shelf, someone comes in and buys it.
      It’s been a feeding frenzy.
      The weird thing, from anyone who shoots recreationally or in competition, there aren’t that many rounds being fired. People are hoarding the ammunition.

      I’m getting to the point where I’m seriously considering getting a few folks together on a buy from the CMP. I only want a brick of 500, but the CMP sells in lots of 5000.
      At lest I’d get the ammunition.

      In six months to a year. :/

      • Jamie Clemons

        I might go in with you if there wasn’t a 6mo to a year wait. Thats kind of a long wait.

  • Brad Barefoot

    Well here’s my two-cents worth … I believe that people are finally beginning to understand that law enforcement has been further hobbled by the Obama administration. It’s gotten to the point in the larger cities you’d better defend yourself … and then call the police. The police, sheriff’s department, and troopers can’t answer all the calls as fast as they’d like due to manpower shortages. .22 is a great way to learn to shoot, I’ve seen the larger calibers short in supply as well. It’s got to get better though.

  • Rod Marshall

    This has been dragging on for over a year now, and is the greatest threat to the future of our sport. I am saddened at the lackluster effort put forth by gun writers and the firearms community as a whole in delving further into this concern. You just picked up the phone and made one call, right? Why don’t you visit one of these factories and gather more information?

    People’s time out on the range has been cut short over this… the spreading of the hobby… the .22 caliber offerings that line the gun counters that no one wants to buy right now because they can’t get ammo for them… these are major problems, and like I said, it has been a full year now that this has been going on. Most family-oriented outings to the gun range involve the enjoyment and affordability of .22 caliber shooting.

    I can’t believe the mighty NRA doesn’t even care. The shortage of .22 ammo is akin to a shortage of baseball fields for the young players. Want to kill a sport? We’re doing it. We are allowing it.

  • Ventures

    I own a gun shop in Central Georgia and have been through this before. After December 2012 anything and everything to do with Firearms went to hell. I saw AR’s that cost $800.00 retail sell for $2,000.00 and 223 ammo for a buck + a round. Now many dealers are over stocked with AR’s and have ammo almost back to a normal. Everything is going to be higher because that is the way it works. Price goes up 50% – 100% and everybody raises hell but they buy it anyway. After awhile the price comes down to 25% more than it was in the beginning and everybody is happy again, not realizing that they just got a permanent 25% increase.

    As far as the 22LR shortage, there is a 22 rifle or pistol in most homes in this country, maybe Great Granddad’s hand me down or a new single shot for that 5 year old first gun. I have sold more 22 rifles and handguns in the past 6 months than any other firearm. Someone that might buy a box of 50 22LR a year will now grab up as much as they can. Then you have the “A” holes that wait for doors to open at stores, buy as much as they can and then sell it for three time what they paid for it. BUT, the worst is the fool that will buy it. If 22LR sales was stopped for one week, we would have more 22LR on the shelf than you could shake a stick at.

  • Zebra Dun

    I was informed by a gun shop owner that his belief it’s the coming ban on lead bullets that is drying up the little .22 rim fire. Apparently he believes the bullet of the .22 rim fire cannot be made to work with lead substitutes. I have no knowledge of whether this is true or just conjecture. I do know that both .22 lr, magnums, shorts and longs as well as CB caps are hard to find as well as the .25 ACP.
    What’s common is the .45 ACP, 9mm, and .44 magnums.
    The question is, can the .22 lr be effectivly and cheaply loaded with a non lead bullet?

  • JustWhatISee

    I still want to call bool-pookie on this. If the makers are pouring it out the door as fast as they can, and the local gun stores are getting 1/4-the size of their former orders filled, AND only about 1/3 as often, AND the online retailers are getting stuff in stock at less than their prior volume, where else is the stuff going? No one, and I repeat, NO ONE has ever answered my questions about whether there are NEW distributors/jobbers/direct customers buying from the manufacturers or from the first-tier distributors.

  • JohnDoe2

    What a load of junk. 5 years in and still cannot meet demand? Canada is sitting on piles of ammo, and yes I know there is a smaller population but the companies have no problem filling them up with ammo. Look at the big picture.

  • chindog

    There is some reason that WalMart, K-Mart, and other big box stores haven’t had 22LR on the shelves for over a year now. Even my local gun store has a large empty space where the 22LR ammo should be. If the manufacturing capacity is lacking, market forces would dictate that manufacturers would add capacity. Unless there is something preventing that.

  • george

    I bet you there will not be .22 available this summer. That statement sounds like crap to me.

  • Jeff

    I spoke to the Managers at Gander Mountain, Bass Pro Shops, Carter’s Country and Academy Sports; they all say the same thing, the people who bought the “way over priced” AR-15’s a few months ago, cannot afford to shoot .223, so they spent more money to convert there fine weapons to 22LR. They are the ones purchasing most of the 22LR; at least at the stores here in Houston. They also said, these guys are lining up 2 hours prior to the store opening and cleaning them out. The saddest thing is, I cannot take my nephews up to the range, because I am NOT going to pay $1.00 per round for 22LR, like these other morons out here.

  • Joubert Davenport

    My credulity is being strained. The biggest stores in Tucson can’t get more than a handful of 550 round boxes of .22lr in a given shipment. Big 5 in Tucson is getting virtually nothing. One store got a shipment this morning containing one (count them, ONE) box of 550. Obviously it was gone within minutes. These are stores that used to receive pallet loads on a monthly basis. So where is this civilian demand? Is it a new demand? New markets? I have to wonder, since the standard markets aren’t getting what they used to get. Never mind this supposed new demand.

    • Dr. Dan

      Big 5 ?? Walmart ?? Who the heck buys ammo at Big-5 and Walmart, Seriously that’s old school.. Online vendors get priority over brick and mortar from the manufactures becouse of their high volume..

      Personally I have no problem getting any cartridge I need including 22LR probably because I buy from online venders.. Unfortunately most newbies and old farts get discouraged when the item says sold out.. They are still thinking old school in that the item needs to be in stock to be ordered..

      That’s not the case, if the item I want is out of stock I either pre-order or put my name on the waiting list.. That way they are shipped the moment stock arrives or I’m notified with a Text Message on my android phone the moment stock arrives and I simply follow the link in the text and then press the buy it now button LOL..

      Why waste all that time and money driving to Walmart and Big 5, Pre-order on line and save money, time and gas..

      It’s called Darwinism evolve or perish..

      • Nunyabusiness

        What online sellers actually sell at retail AND actually have ammo in stock? None that is who. The only online seller I have even seen that sells at retail price is Cabela’s and they are damn near always out of stock.

  • Winston Buie

    politics…are the reason for the shortage in .22 ammo

    • Scott

      Which causes mass demand… which supply can’t keep up with.

  • Werner Neumeier

    Remington is building a new ammo plant that will be producing in 2014.January’s American Rifle mans mag has a good explanation of what is happening.It seems every time there’s a scare of the gov taking our guns,We go and buy all the ammo we can fiind.The artical shows the gov purchased less in 2013 than in2007.Good artical. Be safe!

  • Hyhosilver

    If the government is buying the ammo for target practice then why are they buying hollow point instead of target practice ammo. I guess they plan on really destroying the people I mean targets.

    • Dr. Dan

      This isn’t the 1970, back in the LEO revolver era it was common for LEO’s to practice and qualify with wad cutters..

      Times change and LEO’s don’t carry revolvers anymore so wad cutters are definitely out of the question.. When buying in huge bulk the the cost of FMJ compared to any hollow point is negligible. Since the cost difference is negligible Federal law now requires Federal LEO’s to practice and qualify with their duty rounds. I’m not sure but I would venture a guess with the exception of maybe Mayberry that the same is true for most state and local law enforcement agency

  • Matt

    you can still buy 22 ammo, you just need to buy ASAP, see this video for my method

    • Nonster69

      Its hitting and selling so fast now, it doesnt have a chance to even hit gunbot (ran by wikiarms). Been catching it on another search engine about the same time everyday that Cabelas posts. I have about 2-5min at the most, to buy. Luckily, for a few weeks anyways, Cabelas posts at the same time of day. Trick is to catch when they do it. Its then almost like clockwork. Luckily, its been at the start of my workshift as I sitdown to my computer. They are the cheapest at 5 cents/rd.

  • Jakob

    Bull crap…..I see any Remington or Winchester 22lr on the shelves……another big A$$ Lie

    • Dialogos68

      False! Take your foolish comment and shove it!
      It is very rare to find bulk 22lr. The shortage is Nation wide and getting worse!

  • Jen

    Hopefully they can get this sorted out soon. It’s hard to go to the range, when you have to be sure that the 50 you could buy is all you want to shoot. My local range has a hard time keeping any 22 in stock, and they have a strict 1 box rule. Any retail store has been out for over a year, unless you’re there when they unload the truck. Unfortunately I, like many others have a job, so I can’t “camp” the trucks to buy ammo. I refuse to buy it online, as that only spurs on the hoarding to jack up the price and sell it to someone else mentality. So in the mean time, I ration, and only go to the range when my women’s group meets once a month.

  • Dave

    I want a government bailout when the ammo bubble bursts!!! (yes I’m kidding)

  • Dialogos68

    Obama and the EPA shut down the Nations largest Led smelting plant in Missouri.

  • Dialogos68

    Obama and the EPA shut down the Nation’s largest led smelting plant in Missouri.

    The raw materials are now being sent to China for led processing and the led will never return to American shores!

    • Ben

      1. The EPA rules that forced the shutdown of the lead smelter were put in place under Bush.
      2. Ammunition manufacturers weren’t using lead from that plant to make ammo.
      3. You just caused some more conspiracy nuts to go hoard more ammo. Asshole.

  • Andrew Gable

    Bull s&#t

  • 1stAfterburner

    Something doesn’t make sense here,with ever other product, manufactures understand that the great demand may not always be there, so after a short catch-up period production matches demand. But not with the .22LR, it has been short stocked for years now,…something is weird, I am not claiming conspiracy but something is missing to this story.

  • Tony

    I don’t buy it. Something’s fishy here.

  • Stan LaFaver

    I buy ammo today the same way I have been buying it for decades. A little here, a little there when I have an extra couple dollars. And I never over pay. As a result, ammo shortages don’t phase me. I still buy 22 ammo when I see it at regular prices one box at a time, just like I always have. And if you don’t think ammo can also be an investment, I have .308 military surplus ammo I paid 25 cents a round for years back, and 22 ammo that was about half of today’s REGULAR prices. I remember when russian 7.62 was damn near free! Ammo will go up in value over time just like it always has.And remember those $200 AK’s? Try and find one of those now days.

  • CAM5213

    Been well over 1 year since I’ve seen any .22lr ammo on any shelf in any retailer in SE Mi. The numbers and rethoric just doesn’t add up. When retailers do get inventory the inturn sell in limited qtys so how can the shelves still be empty if the mfg lines are running non-stop???

  • SemperFlyBoy

    In my town, Bubba and his six cousins (semi-related by birth) are standing at the door of the local Walmart when it opens and rush in to buy 3 boxes each of everything. Then they sell their booty at gun shows for 2-5 times what they paid. Fix this by not buying from Bubba.

  • slim

    Its the same as farming

  • big john

    I just attended a gun show in Colorado last month Jan 2014 and even for large caliber huting rifles like 300 win and 338 win priced at an ridiculous 50 dollars per box for 20 rounds. I left it right at the show two. Speaking of the government buying billions of rounds. Does anyone really believe it just buying ammo for training and the current war. Really, Really think about the lack of ammo and control. What a better way to control gun ownership if there are no bullets or reloading conpotents. Don’t you think the government has already thought of that.

  • Tim X

    Out west, Reno Nv. for example, we are now seeing plenty of .223 and hunting rounds at retail prices. But .22LR, 17HMR, and all powders are still in short supply. Projectiles were absent from shelves for 10 months, but they are back for the most part now. Primers by certain manufacturers are back. But I have not seen any Varget and few other rifle powders on the shelves since before Dec. 2012. I am left wondering if at least some of the powder is going to ammo made for the Middle East conflicts. Come on, how much powder can the public be stocking up? One would guess that by this time if it is only hand loaders consuming it, all the people who hand load have as much powder as they can shoot for years and that the shelves should be showing inventory again. But it is not on the shelves and this is winter which brings a lull in shooting and reloading, so I am left wondering.

  • Tim X

    So like Joe Pesche says at the end of “Casino” as they’re beating him to death with baseball bats…”Its the powder, its always about the powder..” Oh, no that’s right, he said “dollar” not “powder”. ;-) I think you get the point.

  • Tim X

    It may be that .22LR is in high demand because of the fact that .223, the next up plinking round is not found at any bargain prices these days. $ .40 – .50/round for FMJ seems to be the going rate weather you by 20 or 500. In addition, many first time rifle buyers choose a .22 for obvious reasons, and we all shoot more .22 per session than we would any other round due to no recoil and low cost.

  • God

    Its all you worthless doomsday preppers, i fucking hate doomsday preppers i hope u all die your gonna die eventually and all your prep will go to your children witch they will sell for drugs or something usefull. Giving americans a bad name, spend your money to help the community not your conspiracy theory

  • husky1

    we are a sporting goods shop in northern MI my reps tell me there sales on ALL RIMFIRE AMMO is DOWN 75-80% in 2013 nothing available to sell Jerrys sports center & Ellettt brothers outdoor sports & Simmons all say the same my Jerrys rep told me there normal Volume on 500 pack bricks of Rimfire is 250,000 a week currently they are receiving 3000-5000 bricks a week now divide that between 20000-25000 dealers nationwide that is where the shortage is IT IS NOT BEING MADE OR GETTING TO THE DISTRIBUTORS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

  • husky1

    WHY IS 22 AMMO IN STOCK HERE http://WWW.CANADAAMMO.COM

    • kabob

      Because this stupid panic buying shortage is only happening in the USA. Canadians think we’re being dumb. BTW, shipping to the US from Canada requires hoops to jump through and extremely expensive shipping so you’re not saving anything.

  • pavespike

    As of right now Ammo Seek isn’t even listing any .22 or .22 mag wmr caliber ammo at all! Now all of you calling the posters “nut cases” what’s your bright answers? By the way I worked for the government procurement offices for 24 years! Try doing some digging into the GSA procurements and no contract bids to the ammo Mfc’s They purchased over 1.5 to 2 billion rounds for the “Social Security Department”! Now what is Social Security needs for a couple of, yes that’s BILLION rounds of ammo? It was also spect’ed out for hollow point only! The military isn’t even allowed to use hollow point ammo! Why? Anyone who has used hollow points know what it does when it hits soft tissue! Designed to kill and maim whatever it hits!

    • Dr. Dan

      “they purchased over 1.5 to 2 billion rounds for the “Social Security
      Department”

      Billions of rounds ?? Don’t know where you’re getting your info .. Conspiracy theorists weekly maybe LOL!!! Seriously take off the tin foil hat it’s cutting the circulation off to your brain

      Anyhow a quick search indicates that the Social Security fraud and investigations division a division of the OIG requested a quote for 174k rounds of .357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition..

      It appears as though The SSA employees over 60K people, 295 of which work for the SSA office of inspector general.. These are sworn special field officers who investigate Social Security fraud both internal and external. They not only investigate fraud, they also investigate waste, abuse, and mismanagement within the SSA,

      These investigators have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests. These Law enforcement officers are similar to State or local police officers and they are armed when on official duty.

      So lets see 174K rounds of ammunition works out to about 600 duty rounds for each officer.. Which sounds about right for a Federal Law enforcement officer.. Heck I go through more then that at the range and I’m not even a cop..

      • Dearl Hardy

        well dan, pavespike is actually correct but has his info a little mixed up, the feds DID in fact purchase 1.5 billion with a B, rounds of ammo, but it wasn’t all for the SSA the SSA only got around 2oo thousand rounds and the IRS also got around 350 thousand and the rest went to the Homeland Security, obama’s national police force. So Pave is correct about the amount just not about who it was for.

        The feds are also planning to purchase another large amount like this soon as well. They say its to have on hand for security threats and for training. Which we all know is BS. So add that to your conspiracy theory stories.

        Most anyone with any common sense can see what is going on here, it doesn’t have to be painted in pictures for me to read it, I actually have a brain and can think on my own and it is very clear that someone very high up is planning for a situation that they will either cause or react to, but in any case the training we police officers are doing and the military and the weapons and ammo preps all point to some type of martial law or something similar and if you cant see that please make sure you are for the other side when it starts because you are an idiot.

        • Dr. Dan

          Paranoia Will Destroy Ya..!!!

          Which begs the question where was all your anti government paranoia when the the Bush administration was first creating the Department of Home Land Security ??

          What the last 6 or so years has taught the world is that hard core conservative gun nuts are nothing but a bunch of hypocritical conspiracy theorists..

          Now on the other hand if all you anti government nut jobs would have taken the same stand against the Bush administration when he first created the Department of Home Land Security than the rest of the world might have actually taken your concerns seriously instead of dismissing you as a bunch of wackos, hypocrites and conspiracy theorists..

          Please point me to a right wing article or source that was critical of the Bush administration for creating the department of home land security. The fact is you wont be able to find one because today’s republicans are hypocrites..

          The simple fact is that it was liberals who tried to stand up to the bush administration and prevent the creation of the department of home land security and we tried to warn Americans that it was a bad idea but back then all the conservatives accused every single liberal of being anti American for opposing the Bush administrations creation of the department of home land security..

          To bad all of you hypocrites have so a short memory, Oh and by the way I’m a former LEO officer, was a Texas ranger for almost 10 years before deciding to go back to school for my PhD..

  • pavespike

    Have anyone ever heard of a gag order to keep loose lips silent, used by our government leadership? Hell yea!

  • Teresa Lenear Ritter

    IMO.. if they can’t get our guns, they will get our ammo…

  • Lucky Star

    a cabela employee told me, the govt had placed a huge order for 9mm and .22 worth millions, and that’s the reason for the shortage….who knows.

    • HaHaObamaWon-Again

      And what does a Cabelas employee make? Did you get any stock tips as well because Cabelas employee are the future Captains of Industry who just have not made their move yet. LOL

  • Michael Stevens

    It’s called a bubble. Idiots are in charge untill the bubble bursts and they all go broke. It happens everywhere, in all kinds of stores and stuff.

  • HaHaObamaWon-Again

    It’s Obama Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi.
    Jesus H Christ! The Tea-Gagging conspiracy bible & gun hugging gun-nut live
    in the Fox news bubble echo chamber. Their entrepreneur kin with inside Wal-Mart
    ammo delivery information swarm the store to buy the ammo with their cohorts.
    At the gun show and classifieds it sells for over TWICE the Wal-Mart price. Tea-gagging
    gun nut should pay the gouging prices SUCK A$$ and SWALLOW. LOL.

    I myself will wait for sanity to return. LOL

  • Carol

    I am not falling for that. If that were the case one would see it moving off the shelves — not the case. They are keeping supply down to drive up the price or in cahoots with the government to control ammo since congress refuses to crap on the Second Amendment.

  • James Matters

    More than likely, if manufacturers have a choice, they will devote production resources to the highest profit potential items during times of shortage. That probably ain’t rimfire ammo. While the centerfire ammo market seems to be catching up some, don’t look for rimfire anything to be plentiful until 9mm, 45acp, 40S&W, 308, 223, 7mm and 30-06 are near normal levels. I don’t know ANYONE who bought 5,000 rounds of rimfire, while I do know of some who did so with centerfire ammo. So I am skeptical that rimfire fans are to blame for the shortage.

  • larry

    cant find anything from ATK but found rangers http://www.ccwammo.com

  • larry

    HOPE THE SCUM ON GUN BROKER. COM. GETS STUCK WITH ALL THEY BOUGHT UP AND HAVE TO EAT IT.ITS NOT YOU CANT FIND IT YOU JUST ARENT GOING TO PAY THEIR PRICE OF 17 CENTS A ROUND. GOT 12OO ROUNDS AND WONT BUY ANOTHER TILL YOU PEOPLE GET SOME SENSE.

    • Nonster69

      It slowly levels out. It doesnt crash like a stock market. Overtime, portions of the country that can’t find it anywhere will get less and less. When I was selling 9mm, I had about a 2 month heads up and could tell the market was changing. It gave me a chance to offload my last 7000 rds. Once I quit getting orders from the Great Lakes, Cali and the south- it was time to get out.

      • Richard M

        Bullshit, it’s been leveling for years.

  • Nonster69

    Ive been picking up about a 1000 rds per week at Cabelas (free shipping) by online snatch and grab. I then put it on Gunbroker and let the market demand drive it up through auction.I make enough to pay for some free bricks of my own. Since im the one jumping up at 2am to buy it, driving tothe store, posting it online, taking it to UPS, dealing with idiots that don’t know what a certified check means- By that point, I deserve some free ammo.

    • gunslinger

      mr. entitled… doing the public a “service”

      while there may be nothing “legally” wrong with what you are doing, it doesn’t prevent me from calling you an asshole for artificially keeping this situation going on.

      • Nonster69

        Don’t blame me. Blame capitalism and supply/ demand.

        • Richard M

          Hope you choke. It’s assheads like you that are driving up the prices.

          • Nonster69

            Its the people with a selfish attitude of “me first” that would pay anything just to win a bid. I just capitalize on their selfishness.

  • gus

    LIES

  • skeedawg

    But I don’t get the .22 demand?? it’s not that powerful or potent beyond target practice? or am i missing something? today i saw LOTS of 270 available, much more potent for an intruder, so i don’t get the .22 shortage since it wouldn’t do much to stop an intruder who really wanted to hurt you and your family. Seems more logical for their to be a shortage on pistol rounds but they were plentiful as well…but oddly the 30 30 rounds i was looking for were in short supply…this all makes no sense to me…

    • yessah3

      22lr is probably the most underappreciated round out there. Maybe people are starting to appreciate it. By the way, a well placed 22lr shot can kill someone just as fast as a 40 caliber round. In fact, it is much easier to shoot a 22lr accurately than it is a 40 caliber. Just ask the many cops who failed their firearms tests when they switched from 9mm to 40 caliber.

      • skeedawg

        Thanks for the enlightenment. I was able to find some rounds the next day, early in the morning. And after discussions with some other gun owners, agree that those .22 rounds could be super effect at protection, especially in a tight/close situation. I think my next handgun purchase will be a that same caliber.

      • Josh Baca

        Hell yes. I am surgical with my Ruger 10/22.

  • DZ79

    dudes…there is 2 problems, its simple. #1 the govt. they use .22 for “training” and such, they’ve just been buying it all so that you can’t have it, and rumor that they even destroy ammo in “controlled ammunition burns”! not only that, but what IS available, #2 greedy jackasses go around and buy as much as they can depleting the stock as soon as it arrives to every store.

  • Billy Ballard

    resellers and people conitnue to buy online and at gun shows for triple the price. Untill thatstops and resellers get stuck with several thousands of rounds, the shortage will coninue. Want to see more 22 lr in stores? Stop buying from the reselllers.

  • Medfordite

    Everyone can guess on what the problem is but I can say for sure that the problem here where I live on the west coast is that there is no supply at all. I would say for about the last 4 months now that our main LGS have not gotten any 22lr at all so it’s a supply problem here, Even Walmart had almost any kind of ammo you wanted back in January and now the shelves are almost empty. Where’s all the ammo going, government, back on the east coast, it doesn’t matter, there is non to be had and what there is available, is going fast.

  • Homer

    It is hard for me to believe that there is no .22 LR ammo anywhere. Before 2008 there was so much of it that it was dirt cheap! Now after the gun control freaks started to take power, there is none to be found. Yes, consumers are buying all they can, but I am willing to bet that the government is behind the shortages. Get rid of the current politicians and I think the shortages will end.

  • Mark

    Strange…I cant get any .22 LR anywhere…but noticed today that Australia has plenty of the Remington “Bucket o Bullets”. I am just not seeing the people at the stores buying it up. I’m not buying the line that there is plenty being produced.

  • Scott

    I don’t believe it. If this was true, then there would occasionally be shells available. The stores I shop have not received ANY 22 LR ammo for more than 1 year, despite having outstanding backorders.

  • zipper

    let’s see, the little .22lr i’m seeing out there is about 24 cents/rd. i can get 5.45×39 ammo for 17 cents/rd. something is very off. a brick of standard .22lr should go for ~$20.

    • Richard M

      I would pay up to $40 for a brick today, that’s a good profit for the seller but I’ll be damned if I’ll pay the bastards $90-100 for a brick.

  • Dean

    I’m in Canada I have a 1000 rounds of 22LR for sale

  • Greg

    Not sure if I buy this. Cabelas in Wisconsin have empty shelves but a buddy in Canada sent me a picture of his Cabelas with a whole aisle of .22lr bricks and buckets…

    Why would a company who wants to make a profit not manage their stock better than this? I have to think there is some government involvement in the situation.

    • Richard M

      They still have guns in Canada?

  • John

    Bullshit, there’s more to it than that.

  • bill45colt

    article has a section that says they are laying off employees,,,,,something stinks in the woodpile here…

  • Gil Berg

    I am a shooter, not a hoarder…Take my 22 lr Remington, Nylon Apache 66 and shoot it all night at the range. I buy more when I need it…..

  • blankho

    The shortage is due to the increased popularity of the round sparked by the tactical rifle and pistol, perceived scarcity is creating a nation of bulk buyers, and the relative ease of being an online broker is creating a bunch of entrepreneurs who are enabled now to feed the hoarders.

  • sma

    fucking bullshit flea market sellers hover over the local ammo dealers…buy up the 22 cal stock….try to sell at the flea market sat and sun at inflated prices…i would enjoy shoving a 22 cal up their ass,and pullng the trigger…profit is ok,but greed is NOT.

  • Richard M

    I could almost buy that but I don’t know anyone that has seen any .22 to fly off a shelf. I know there are scalpers out there and I would really like to dust them up. They are no better than the people that charge $5.00 for a 20oz bottle of water during a crisis and I put them in the same pig sty. As sma says below, profit is ok, when you get greedy, you are on the level of an air thief.

  • Rinosaretheproblem

    Due to EPA crack downs on lead smelters in the US, there are no longer any lead smelters in business in the USA. Meanwhile the federal government is buying billions of rounds of jacketed ammo from domestic suppliers. What the suppliers will not say is that Government demand is growing faster than private citizen consumption, and their capacities are taxed, no mater what they say is the politically correct “official statement”.

  • pilotrod

    I walked in my local walmart yesterday. A guy had just bought the 22 ammo they had. I heard him talking to to clerk, and realized he was also a walmart employee. What they are doing is tipping off their friends when it comes in, they are there when it hits the shelves. They are then reselling it somewhere else for a profit. This will continue as long as people pay the inflated prices these people are charging.

  • jeff

    what ATK did not tell you is that they export the majority of their 22 ammiao to Russia. The Russian military uses it to train troops. Time to tell ATK to take care of the US consumer first given that Russia is no longer friendly to us and are working with our biggest e.nemies of national security

  • None Ya

    Looks to me like ATK is bought and paid for by the government spinning propaganda given to them by the powers that be. It is more likely the government has simply determined since they cant control guns maybe they can control the ammo for them. Well they are doing it as we speak more and more ammo manufacturers are going out of business all the while our supplies on ammo dwindles, This is when the Gun Grabbers will come in and demand the guns at gunpoint if need be, This is how the government will get what it wants without a single shot fired. Absolute bullshit. I

  • http://www.facebook.com/don.meaker Don Meaker

    With higher prices, more people should get into the businesss: Except for barriers to competition aka government regulation of lead and primers.

  • Bruce Hayden

    Uh – no. Middle of the summer, and yesterday, at the Walmart the next town over, they apparently got in a case of .22, and it was gone by 7:30 in the morning. Plenty of rifle ammo, but for handguns – a couple boxes of .45. That was it. Nada.

  • sma

    i want to buy 22 SHORT…i dont care about 22lr…i get the same bullshit singsong about 22 short….cb cap…bb cap…just a ripoff to get more $$$…cocksucker motherfuckers….yes..i am pissed off..so if you dont like it…fu.

  • dead+eye

    the question every one should asking is ,should 22lr cartridges start being made into centerfire since 22lr are a important round for new shooters for pest control and small game cheap and easy to handling etc etc , so why won’t companies start making primer system for 22lr cartridges this wold solve some of shortage problem if people could just reload there own rounds

  • Your Obligatory Response

    Well,the author was wrong. Still none on any shelves. Also wrote to Remington, got the same canned answer about being at max production. My question is, who is buying the stuff. No one I know in my shooting circles are able to get it, so the whole thing stinks.

  • boji

    These things are simple to make. I’m not buying the idea that they can’t make it fast enough. These things don’t expire. It seems more likely that the industry is holding back production to drive sales of larger caliber weapons (with cheap ammo).

  • Temp Fourthirty

    Wrong.

    “People tend to buy ammunition in the winter and shoot it in summer. I don’t
    know why they do this (I tend to buy more in summer than in winter). I
    suspect by the beginning of summer there will be enough .22 ammunition
    on the shelves.”

  • Robert King

    Well, it’s near the end of August and the shelves are nowhere near full, and CCI .22LR ammunition is nowhere to be found. I guess you were wrong…

    I’ve been reading “expert” news like this for over two years now. “The shortage is nearly over.” what definition of “nearly” have all these experts been using. Certainly not one that I’m familiar with.

    My recommendation? Sell your .22 firearms and buy something that isn’t being hoarded and gouged.

  • GeoInSD

    It is now late August. I haven’t found any .22LR ammo to buy for about 6 months now. That last time was when I reluctantly bought 3 boxes of CCI, which is more per cartridge than my usual 525 round Federal box. But now I am glad I did buy them.
    My entire .22LR inventory is only from getting lucky having coincidentally arrived at Wal-Mart right when a shipment of .22LR ammo arrived.
    .223/5.56, .40 S&W, .45 ACP ammo are now easy to find.
    9mm ammo is still in short supply, though bullets and primers are now easy to find for reloaders. But all the powders I use are still hard to find, even harder to find than .22LR ammo. I have been able to buy primers and bullets (though these were in short supply last year), but I haven’t been able to find any of the powders I use, or any other for that matter except for ones used in .50 BMG, for about 2 (maybe 3) years now.

  • Speakist

    “We’re running our presses 24/7.” “More .22 LR firearm offerings.” “More new shooters coming into the sport.” BS!!!! That’s what they’ve been saying for almost TWO years!!
    I don’t buy that line of horse hockey of for a second.

    • Endoplasmic Reticulum

      …and billions (that’s B-I-L-L-I-O-N-S) of rounds produced each and every year. Where does it go? Check all the usual online retailers and you’ll see all the .22LR offerings are “Not available” or “Back order.” Some blogs say it’s you and me at fault. We horders. Really?!?!

      How can we “horde” if the ammo isn’t available…?

      http://sierrabullets.wordpress.com/2014/04/07/why-cant-i-find-22-lr-ammunition/

      He echos what we’re all thinking:

      “Brian J. says:

      August 27, 2014 at 1:13 am

      You are quite right, local retailers are not receiving new supplies. I’ve checked with several large and small all have the same account they are only getting a fraction of the supplies they used to get. I normally buy from my local Ace hardware store, they have received no 22 ammunition in over 18 months, none.
      So if the manufacturers are working 24/7 where are the supplies going?
      I used to buy the hoarding/scalping explanation but it no longer makes sense, something else keeping supplies from the retailers.”

  • Duke Rourschach

    After the Arms scare around Obama and Newtown People were panic buying and It just takes time to level out good news I sold 2 Spr M1A’s Loaded w/ Troy battle rails for $4500 a piece on Gunbroker both in 2 days hit on buy now couldn’t believe it Laughed all the way to the bank!

  • Jeff

    Aren’t there any real economists out there that are interested in this issue? Three years is a long time for a shortage of a good that is relatively simple to manufacture, and plant capacity is not limited by some external authority. A number of reasons can exist for a shortage of a good thorough imperfect market conditions. Oligopsonistic behavior can be driven by vertical or horizontal consolidation. I understand that this segment of the industry is becoming increasingly concentrated. Import limits or import fees, can result in shortages based on design of the import regulation and extent of the shift in demand (if there is one). That is just for starters. I don’t think this is a situation where asymmetric information plays any role. I suspect that these firms are required to have enough transparency in their operation so that the cause of the shortage should be easy to find. One thing we know, is that if the manufacturing/risk/labor and other input costs have not increased for production of rimfire cartridges and shortages can be shown to increase real gross revenues per unit of output then these firms are likely enjoying supernormal profits. That is a very nice situation for an industrial sector. I can’t blame them for wanting to perpetuate that, if they are or are not actively trying to influence markets.
    We have trade laws to limit this sort of behavior (if it is occurring, and I am not saying it is), but there may be reasons that regulators would not be interested in evaluating firms that constrain production of some types of ammunition.

  • InYoFace

    I want nuclear war to rid the planet of all the fn morons who hoard ammo. See what their ammo does for them then. Dumba$$es.

  • Star

    “I suspect by the beginning of summer there will be enough .22 ammunition
    on the shelves” – Well this was said in Dec 2013.
    Summer of 2014 has come and gone and this blog will be 1 year old in just over a month from now. Still no .22 on the shelves.
    I’m sure the horders and scalpers are still a part of the problem, however the big retailers are still not receiving the amount of ammo that they were prior to 2012.
    Where is it going?

  • ron17571

    I just want some for plinking with the kids. The last 22 bullets i actually saw were those nasty thunderbolts for 9.99 for 50. I found a box of one hundred cci mini mags, the price on it,3.95 this was found in my garage. Wish i could start a 22 bullet making factory. The demand isnt being met. My whole life i could always justy go and buy 22’s and never paid much for them. Its rediculous.

  • Cee Jay

    There isn’t a shortage. They are producing just as much as they always have.

    It’s the morons who THINK there is a shortage and keep hoarding it and selling it for profit. If you have a couple thousand rounds… DON’T BUY ANYMORE.

    And don’t go to your local gun shop and get an attitude and be a pissy prick because he tells you they are out. He has to listen to you morons who act like their lives are going to end if they don’t get any 22 caliber ammo every day. We get asked probably 30 times daily “You got any .22?” “You don’t? Why not? Wheres it going? Is Obama banning it? It’s the governments fault isn’t it? When are you going to have some? What kind? How much?”

    Just stfu and go home. You don’t NEED .22 LR ammo. If you want it that bad then pay out the ass for it at some price gouging store and then be satisfied.

    If everyone in the country would stop buying .22LR for ONE month then everything would be back to normal.

  • Forrest Bedford

    Looks like the shortage is over in New York. I bought 1000 round of 22LR at the local gun shop with no problem.