Eighty Round Magazine For Makarov Pistol

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A Russian inventor has developed an eighty round 9x18mm magazine for the Makarov PM pistol. He writes (in Russian) that the Makarov is still in use by police in Russia not because they cannot afford new pistols but because the Makarov is genuinely loved. He says the problem with them is that standard magazine only holds eight rounds and extended magazines only hold up 12 rounds. Twelve rounds is not a lot by todays standards, especially when you consider that the 9x18mm is about 30% less powerful than a 9x19mm NATO. His solution was to develop a drum magazine that holds eighty rounds.

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On a side note, the 9x18mm, despite being almost 50 years younger than the 9mm Luger/Parabellum, was intentionally designed to be anemic because the Soviet Army wanted a simple blowback pistol with a fixed barrel.

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Many thanks to Val for the tip.

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  • Doom

    the drum must be 2-3 times the weight of the pistol 0.0

    • Jonathan

      I second that. Drum mags for pistols are still cool nonetheless, if not tactically useful.

      • Eric S

        Useful be damned! Not everything must serve a purpose, some times we as a species just have to sit back and think, ‘what if we made it really big?’

        • Julio

          Eric S, and GJ & Nick too,
          thankyou all for brightening up my day – few things make me grin as widely as really first-rate sarcasm!

      • BryanS

        Where they come in real handy is when you have a carbine that takes the same magazines.

        Or, if that pistol is full auto. My bud’s G18 post sample can empty 50 rounds quick.

        • Steve (TFB Editor)

          I love shooting the G18. Shooting with a drum must be 0.6x as much fun as with a 30 rounder :)

          • BryanS

            Well, it certainly lasts just a hair longer! These Korean drums can, with a bit of polish and lube, run 58 rounds in them. I can fit 56 in mine out of the box, but it will not feed.

  • Matthew Groom

    The Makarov is truly and excellent design, and I can see why it’s still in use. However, while I think a higher capacity magazine might be useful, and might find a market, I do not believe that an 80 round drum mag which probably weighs more empty than the pistol does loaded is a good solution. A slightly extended 20-25 round mag that goes from double column to single column in the grip would be better, but probably harder to build.

    • DiverEngrSL17K

      But certainly not impossible. Add to that retention of compactness and avoidance of excessive vertical height if designed correctly and with practicality in mind.

  • Giolli Joker

    “because the Makarov is genuinely loved”

    Here’s the main reason behind it:
    http://i.imgur.com/dovI4.jpg

    :-P

    • Steve (TFB Editor)

      Now I get it

    • DiverEngrSL17K

      Nice. Has anyone on this site tried that particular beer?

      • Jeff Smith

        I haven’t tried the beer, but I can verify that the Makarov makes an excellent bottle opener!

  • Nick

    By “developed” are we meaning, welded a PPSh-41 drum to the bottom of a Makarov mag?

    • Steve (TFB Editor)

      there must be more to it. The PPSh was chambered in 7.62x25mm

      • Wing0Black

        They may have changed some of the internal parts but that is definitely a PPSh drum magazine.

        • Steve

          That’s a KP 31 drum magazine.

          • Nick

            since the PPSh mag is a copy of the KP-31′s and this mod was done in Russia, I’d argue its vastly more likely its a PPSh mag

          • Jhomas Tefferson

            But the KP-31 is a 9mm. Much easier to convert then from the 762 x25 round. I own the KP-31 and 5 different Makarov’s. I will have to look into it.

  • Geoff a well known Skeptic

    The Maks advantage was always size. It could be carried in uniform or out. As I understand it even in the old USSR military officers were armed at all times. Like the US of A was before Korea and the Democrat Party insisting guns cause violence not stop it. Most Police reinforcements carry long arms I see no real need UNLESS some Russian agencies have an equipment shortage. The big drum magazine is also an attention grabber. Geoff Who notes the Nazi Luftwaffe preference for the PP and PP/K and even smaller sidearms, especially during the civil war in Spain where you might be attacked anywhere.

  • bbmg

    If you need 80 rounds from a pistol, you should be carrying a submachinegun.

    I have seen these in the hands of Russian traffic police: http://world.guns.ru/smg/rus/pp-91-cedar–wedge-e.html – more compact and practical.

    • Bubba

      I suspect that even an old PPS-43 would be a much more effective weapon than a Walther PPK clone with drum mag.

  • Anonymoose

    The Makarov wasn’t really designed as a combat pistol. It was designed as an officer’s pistol to be worn alone with a dress uniform or carried along with an assault rifle. The 1911 and Luger on the other hand were developed to be the primary weapon for officers and horse cavalry. Of course NATO doesn’t still use them like that anymore, and the Luger went on to be developed into PDW-like forms for artillery crews prior to the development of SMGs and semi-auto carbines.

    • honnal

      RwS a russian officer describe the makarov as an excellent pistol to commit suicide with. DarkLy humorous considering russian military history and it’s struggle with alcoholism.

    • DiverEngrSL17K

      Interesting and informative comment — thanks! However, the Makarov still turned out to be an excellent military pistol after all, with an on-target terminal effect that was clearly adequate at typical side-arm combat ranges.

      • Jhomas Tefferson

        The Bulgarian and East Markarov’s are very fine pistols.I shoot both on a regular basis.

  • That Guy

    The main question is… Where can I buy one?

    • B.

      When you find one, let me know, because damn, I want one.

  • Zugunder

    From what i understand this guy just assembled it and posted photos (7 mart 2013). Then he says that he need to test gunfire and says “to be continued”… Nothing else from him about this magazine werent posted (at least on the source site) Why it is here one more time? (sorry if i sounds like a dick, but seriously)

  • Geoff H.

    Reblog at Bubbleheadgunnut

  • Lance

    The Makarov is a good pistol had good combat record in Afghanistan. Think the size and weight of this would be too much for a real operator in combat but despite being less powerful than 9x19mm NATO it doesn’t have over penetration problem that its older German counterpart has. Most operatives security and police in Russia I read prefer the Makarov over the Yarigan and other western pistol that were brought in recently. Shows many love that small pistol.

    • DiverEngrSL17K

      The Makarov might be”less powerful” than the 9mm x 19 Parabellum-firing equivalents, but at typical pistol combat ranges the practical difference is negligible, if not absent.

  • Jeff Smith

    I bought a Makarov last fall for $150 at a local gun shop. I’ve almost sold it several times, but didn’t have the heart. How would I ever find another reliable handgun for that price?

  • Drogo

    My Makarov bump fires pretty easily, that would be a fun accessory to have.

  • Masoo2

    isthatanAK-9Isee

  • Nicks87

    In Soviet Russia, pistol also need drum magazine.

  • Michael

    Who cares if its useful, it looks fun and upsets the liberals.
    I would hate to spend $300 on a drum mag for a $150 pistol, if its priced like a C-mag
    If its in 7.62×25 as some people say would one fit a CZ52?

  • Alex Nicolin

    It must have terrible ergonomics.

  • dan citizen

    I think calling the 9×18 “anemic” is going a little far and European loadings are quite hot compared to the pitiful american fodder. The bizon and stechkin are two great weapons in this caliber. Shotgun News ran a great series of articles by a Russian Afghan war vet in which he describes very effectively using the 9×18 in combat. The bottom line is this is an effective military round if you can hit what you aim at, and if you can’t then having a more powerful round won’t help.

    • Fromthesidelines3

      I’m not sure a publication about shotguns is the best source for information on the efficacy of exotic pistol calibers in combat.

      Also, Russia is in Asia or at best “Eurasia”. How “hot” European rounds are has little bearing on what’s going on in Russia. Though I also disagree with your statement about European rounds being “hot”.

      • dan citizen

        I assume you’re joking about Shotgun News being about shotguns…. But for those reading this who only learned about firearms last week….

        - Shotgun News is the Wall Street Journal of the firearms industry and is the most well known advertising periodical for firearms and related products in North America, If you work in the firearms industry in the US SGN is not an optional subscription.

        As to Russia not being in Europe… European Russia (also Western Russia or Central Russia) refers to the Western areas of Russia that lie within Europe, comprising roughly 3,960,000 square kilometres (1,528,560 mi2) and spanning across 40% of Europe. This area includes Moscow and St. Petersburg, the two largest cities of Russia. -wikipedia

        • DiverEngrSL17K

          Good call based on hard facts, Dan.

          • dan citizen

            Thank you :) And since when is 9×18 an “exotic pistol caliber” ?

            IIRC it is the second most common military and police round worldwide after 9×19 parabellum.

          • DiverEngrSL17K

            You’re welcome! Who on earth stated that the 9mm x 18 Makarov cartridge was “exotic”? That’s like saying that the new-generation Chevrolet Impala ( aka Makarov 9mm x 18 ) is exotic compared to the Toyota Camry ( aka 9mm x 19 Parabellum ). Both are solid, reliable and completely functional workhorses that get the job done ( and done well ) without any unnecessary technological fuss or drama.

          • dan citizen

            about 5 comments up-

            “I’m not sure a publication about shotguns is the best source for information on the efficacy of exotic pistol calibers in combat.”

          • DiverEngrSL17K

            Thanks — there are so many comments that I plainly forgot about that one :).

    • DiverEngrSL17K

      Precisely — well said!

    • Blake

      9×18 is certainly a step up vs. .380 Auto. It was specifically designed as the most powerful cartridge practically chamberable in a blowback pistol. And from the Russians’ service load data in the article they seem pretty convinced of its effectiveness in close quarters.

      But that drum mag sort of defeats the point of carrying a simple, accurate pistol. If one really needed more than 12 rounds of 9×18 without reloading then I think I’d rather have a Skorpion.

  • Billy___Bob

    Good choice for Zombies.

  • Raoul O’Shaugnessy

    Seems like using it with a Stetchkin would be a better choice.

  • jpradana

    you got 80 more rounds and ability to bludgeoning someone into comma with this improvement…

  • valorius

    Why….