Mystery SIG Rifle No Mystery After All. Hoax? Scam?

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A self-described “noob” (with only one forum post to his name) posted these photos on AR-15.com claiming to have a prototype SIG rifle sold to his friend at SHOT Show. schnee wrote …

I’m new here but have been around guns for a long time. A few months ago I bought a rifle from my buddy who does marketing for a local firearms manufacturer. He bought the rifle from a guy at the SHOT show in January who was clearing gear out of his booth (I think SIG but could have been someone else. I am reaching out to this board to help me identify the gun because I can’t for the life of me find anything about it anywhere. I called SIG and they said they have never heard of it but wanted me to send it in to NH for identification even though I sent them photos of it. They claim they want a closer look but I think it’s weird that they can’t do it with photos. Frankly I am worried that they might keep it if it’s some kind of prototype (see photos for why I think this).

Here’s what I know about the rifle: It shoots 7.62×39. It came with 6 clear magazines. It shoots amazingly well–super accurate and never jams. It looks to me like a rifle that SIG calls the 556R, but it is grey like the 551-A1. In the photos it is oiled so it looks blacker than in real life. It has a plastic-like thing next to the ejection port. Almost looks like the G-10 handles on one of my Spyderco knives. See photos below. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Claiming that a company sold a rifle on the SHOT Show floor immediately struck me as suspicious. Accessories as frequently sold on the last day of the show by companies wanting to ditch the display inventory, but I have not heard of companies selling off their guns. I would be surprised if the show organizers even allowed this and in any case display guns have to be deactivated before they are allowed on the show floor. Large companies like SIG are  definitely not selling off their guns on the show floor. SHOT Show is not a gun show.

Anyway, I did some research into this gun. The first thing I was told that SIG had no plans to launch a gun of this description. The serial number pattern is exclusive to SIG’s USA guns. Further digging showed that the serial number is that of a standard 556R which was sold last year.

At best this was a hoax, at worst someone was trying to scam an unsuspecting person into buying a “secret prototype”. The post on AR-15.com may well have been an attempt at establishing the guns provenance by seeding information about it across the internet.

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  • RichardK

    Looking at the second photo it’s looks like a photoshop.

    1: look at the white characters on the left. They just don’t look normal. Especially the “SG” part. I think they are to bright.
    2: look at the swiss symbol (+ in shield). It looks like the shield has no depth.

    Ok, I’m not an expert on photoshop so i could be mistaken.

    • Christoph Bücker

      The picture could be Photoshopped.

      First: look at RichardK´s post.
      Second: SIG never wrote “Sturmgewehr Prototyp” (Assaultrifle prototype) on their rifles.

    • ThomasD

      Beat me to it. It is an obvious photo shop. The letters SG do not even appear to be on the gun, but instead floating above it, and the white lettering is not in the same plane as all the other stampings..

      • avconsumer2

        Someone just ‘shopped that white in there to highlight characters not highly visible in the original photo. Pretty sure they’re not trying to pass those off as real.

        • ThomasD

          Look at the area to the left of 929 – something has been ‘erased’ too.

          Nothing honest about this at all.

  • Jim Barrett

    Third giveaway? Swiitzerland has very tough laws governing export of guns. This is why Sig initially set up shop in the US and Germany. It is highly unlikely that a real Swiss mad Sig would have been at an American show. Would have been more believable if this had been from the German factory.

  • MacK

    How is this even a question, think about it… Moron recoats a 556R and has a silly logo and text engraved on it… Sells it to second moron as rare “prototyp” Even though it has US importation engraving on reciever.. As for the editted picture thats just to show the serial as it explains the fake better.

    • Nooky

      Second that.

      That’s the real swiss made 7.62×39.
      http://uppix.net/7FxgY3.jpg

      • Anonymoose

        When it was the 556R I could understand their logic because it was a civilian rifle, but now they’re making a select-fire commando version? Who exactly are they planning on marketing these rifles to? Are they trying to out-Russian the Russians?

        • TCBA_Joe

          Khazakstan just bought a bunch of 7.62×39 AK mag compatible ARX-160s for their “Special Forces”. A lot of countries are upgrading to newer rifles from their old AK47s but can’t afford to replace the massive amounts of x39 and AK mags stockpiled around the world.

  • SwissCollector

    I can’t comment on the rifle in the pictures but San Arms Switzerland is actually producing a rifle chambered in 7,62×39.
    It will be called SG553R and will be available early next year according to San Arms.
    It’s based on the SG553 LB and will come without diopter sights.
    I did order one in march this year and will be one of the first private persons in Switzerland to receive this rifle.

    • SwissCollector

      *Swiss arms not San Arms

      • avconsumer2

        lol – that would be ironic.

    • JM

      Isn’t that model select-fire, though?

      • SwissCollector

        A select fire and a semi auto model will be available.

        • JM

          Good news!

  • Gidge

    Could this be a clever marketing stunt by Sig to create hype and/or gauge interest?

    Does anyone remember when an Apple engineer “accidentally” left a prototype iPhone at a bar in front of a writer for Gizmodo whom he’d been chatting to? Caused a storm on the net and the secret new iPhone model was talked about for months, with everyone wanting to know more and get one.

    • JM

      Why would they? Sig is at a pinnacle of popularity right now.

      • Samuel Suggs

        They wouldn’t they can gain all the intrest in the world bye just anounceing a new product like normal people do. A new rifle from them would be both awesome and a good business decision right now especially if it was a SIG USA original product.

        • Justin Cummings

          Yew speel
          Grate
          Sir

          • Samuel Suggs

            tank U sr

    • TCBA_Joe

      Gauge interest on what? What would happen if they sold the exact same rifle they already sell, but add a bunch of engraving to it?

    • Samuel Suggs

      Did you read the section about the serial number?

  • avconsumer2

    Well, regardless, he got hosed… there’s no cheap optic on top. It’s not a REAL Sig 556R unless it comes with a throw-away optic!! ;P

    (full disclosure – I haven’t really used my Sig supplied mini-red dot enough for an accurate opinion – though it does seem solid enough to actually be pretty effective! …TBD)

    • dude

      The STS-081 is a hundred dollar optic that holds a zero and doesn’t fall off. The power switch won’t stay switched off when it’s in a case so you have to pull the battery for transport. For COEI on a commercial product, I can’t complain.

      • Samuel Suggs

        I have never had a cheap optic phisically fall off those are some pretty low standards you have their however I agree its a very serviseable optic

      • avconsumer2

        Noted! Will give it a more thorough reaming soon – being stored in a relatives safe atm (on my 556r). Do remember that my power switch / brightness knob really takes some muscle to move – perhaps they fixed that with later builds.

      • Snappahead

        Same exact red dot as a Bushnell TRS-25.

  • http://www.scribd.com/twobirdsflyingpub Twobirdsflying

    It may have been an Swiss Arms prototype that grew legs in Vegas. The whole story behind the selling of guns off the SHOT Show floor is bull.

    • Samuel Suggs

      Did you read the section about its serial number?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Very true it just doesn’t happen!

  • tincankilla

    Gun owners are suckers. Pretty sure that anyone really buying a select fire gun off the floor of SHOT would trigger a conniption by the SHOT organizers, the ATF, the local PD, and the company operating that booth.

    • Samuel Suggs

      We trust each other because we don’t have anyone else to trust. The powers at be want us gone so we reach out and form community’s. that’s why betrayal is such a big deal learn to respect that or find somewhere else to post!

      • Bill

        Your tin foil hat has a hole in it.

        • Samuel Suggs

          um what are you taking about the government and a wide variety of government agencys wants us to dry up and blow away thats not a conspracy

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Having been there I can tell you NOBODY bought a full auto rifle at SHOT!

  • Samuel Suggs

    I wonder if shot will allow sales this year since they ditched those judases!

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I tend to doubt it very much. People walking around the hotel with just purchased rifles would be a HUGE problem for the hotel and those not there for SHOT.

      • Samuel Suggs

        yeah your probobly right but I can hope for whatever I want now its a fresh start!

  • Samuel Suggs

    I would buy this gun in a second as an example of a hoax gun. After I striped the sellers story to shreds and used the fact that its basically a defaced SIG 556r to haggle him down to a good price.

  • Chris

    Airsoft gun with AK mag stuck in it?

    • Samuel Suggs

      Read the part about the dam serial number before commenting!!!

    • Samuel Suggs

      NO! READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE!!!!

  • Botta

    look also the fire selector, in one side is s-1-3-20, in the other is blocked to 1.

  • Schnee

    I am the OP on arfcom. I posted with a real question, not trying to rip anyone off. Writing this article up as a scam is kind of douchey. I’m sure Steve is cool in real life, but this is what is
    wrong with journalism generally and with internet journalism in
    particular. When you run out of magpul-ed out AR-15 stories, special
    edition 1911 tests, flashlight reviews, and Eric Holder stories, you
    have to get content from somewhere I guess. It’s like being the TMZ of
    guns. This big suck for content drives it.

    Again, for the record, I AM NOT TRYING TO SELL THIS GUN TO ANYONE.
    MY FRIEND DID NOT TRY TO RIP ME OFF. I paid market price for a 556R and I
    am very happy with it as a shooter. I was/am curious about its
    provenance. That’s all.

    • Samuel Suggs

      Um someone got ripped off and your “friends” story about buying it off the floor at shot show is untrue so one of your stories is falsified to some degree, also if its just a 556r then why dose it say 551r on the lower receiver, are you really that gullible or are you trying to defend th investment you made in modifying a 556r into a super secret “prototyp”?

      • MOG

        I love that dog.

        • Samuel Suggs

          Me too

          • MOG

            Me three

          • Samuel Suggs

            what the hell dood, that might be vaugely ammusing if I had said somthing applicable to that but I just said that I liked a meme that you said you liked

          • Samuel Suggs

            did I exspress a distaste for peanut M&M’s at some point?

          • MOG

            From the looks of that photo, it looks like Sammy boy got the jumbo M&M bag down at Rite-Aid. And stopped for a few Fillet-o-Fish’s on the way home.

          • Samuel Suggs

            wee upvoting yourself must bee fun

    • Samuel Suggs

      its the firearms blog dood just because you got outed as a petty bastard that built a gun to impress his freinds on the internet dosent mean you get a free whiny bitch pass

    • Samuel Suggs

      theirs actually a hell of a lot fishy about this but enjoy except for you schnee dont even giggle :(

    • Samuel Suggs

      here this will help

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      He didn’t say it was a scam or hoax. Both are questions for the readers.

      • Schnee

        Read his last paragraph.

        I’m not mad. It’s just douchey when reporters say “some have accused Samuel Suggs of being a semi-literate sex offender who dresses like a SEAL and plays airsoft in his mom’s back yard. We let you you decide!”

        I understand you guys have to sell ad space. It’s just disappointing when members of the gun community (in which you guys presumably claim membership) do stuff that TMZ does. In any case, I stand by the facts that I never claimed this gun was real, that I wasn’t trying to sell it, and that I just wanted information. The tenor of the comments on arfcom has largely been helpful and curious.

        • Samuel Suggs

          No one accused me of being or doing any of those things ever, I believe you will fit right in on ARFCOM so please just continue posting there and you will be among likeminded individuals

          • MOG

            That’s not a denial….

          • Samuel Suggs

            I hadnt seen your assanine poster yet MOG

        • Bill

          Shnee for the WIN!!! I really don’t care if his gun is fake or not now. That was an epic smack down of the illiterate troll. Get back in your basement Samuel, I hear your mom calling.

          • Samuel Suggs

            really bill, the moms basment thing is gettin old. what leads you to be such a prolific detractor of virtually anything I post

        • Samuel Suggs

          wow thats some seriouse butthurt right there

    • Steve (TFB Editor)

      So you stand by your comment that this gun was purchased from a booth at SHOT Show?

      Maybe you were the person scammed. Maybe you are trolling us.

      • Schnee

        The original post said “from a guy who was clearing out his booth.” I should have been more clear that it was not literally at the booth during the show. It was the day after the show when the guy was cleaning out his booth and there is a lot of horse trading of gear that people don’t want to take home. I don’t know if he bought it literally on the floor or outside in the parking lot or if they met at Denny’s.

        Or maybe I am trolling you trolling me trolling arfcom.

        Or maybe I bought a rifle from my buddy that some non-SIG vendor at the SHOT show engraved and painted (which appears to me to be the most likely explanation at this point(.

        You are welcome for the traffic in any case.

        • Samuel Suggs

          why would somone bring a fake SIG prototype to an exspo where SIG had a booth?

          • bob

            dood, take you’re spellchekr back to Wal-Mart and aks for a refund.

          • Samuel Suggs

            Dood you mispelled ask in your critisism of my spelling LOL

          • bob

            Samuel, you are either a mad genius troll or the shame of the American public school system.

          • Samuel Suggs

            Or I just don’t care enough to spell check a five word response, one or the other again your the one who misspelled “ASK”

          • Nadine Suggs

            THIS IS SAMUEL’S MOM. HE HAS A SERIOUS DISORDER AND HAS A COURT ORDER NOT TO USE THE INTERNET. PLEASE DO NOT FEED HIS OBSESSION BY RESPONDING TO HIM. He attacked his junior high English teacher last year with a rubber band gun after he was diagnosed with dyslexia. It’s not funny!

          • Samuel Suggs

            Who the hell are you people; admittedly sometime’s your hilarious but what inspires you to troll me in this way? I mean its seems like a lot of effort for just a little joke

          • Samuel Suggs

            or for that matter why would someone involved with shot show do anything of this sort, it’s an industry expo with no sales allowed the whole point of a scam like this would be to get the maximum
            money out of a sucker therefore why not take it to a major “gun show” instead of a no sell expo

  • MOG

    There are no bad guns, just bad gun owners.

  • Nelson

    Holy Hell, who cares? Remember guys, internet…

    • Nelson

      ^^^After reading ALL the comments^^^

      • Samuel Suggs

        we do its a crime commited against us bye an as yet undetermined perpetrator

        • Nelson

          You figured it out. You sleuth, you. As for crime, Ive yet to see it. I also dont see the point of arguing online over the fact if someone may have tried to ‘scam’ or make a goofy post about a firearm for the giggleshits. As for the BOB reference, I, again, don’t get it. Id much rather spend my time on the internet looking at gun stuff I cant afford or watching Archer on Netflix.

          • Samuel Suggs

            I dont know what Archer is

      • Samuel Suggs

        How did you change our name from BOB to Nelson? and why

  • Dude

    FWIW, the plastic glued to the side of the port shows a distinct lack of character. Or that you don’t want your gun to display it’s character. Any self-respecting 55x owner knows that’s supposed to be bare metal.

  • Poyo

    Take a look to the fire selector: S , F and 3 on the left side and S, F, 3 and 20 (?) on the right side.

    • Snappahead

      Safe, Fire, 3-round burst, Full Auto. I assume it uses 20 round magazines as standard and the “20″ represents the mode to completely dump the mag.

  • Lance

    Just another SiG 55x in a 7.62mm caliber no real surprise there.

    • Fred

      7.62x39mm. The 556R does not grow on trees.

  • Dave

    I sure miss mine, I keep kicking myself because I sold it and now I can’t find them anywhere and I can’t feed my AR for any kind of decent price. Wish mine had come with that diopter sight too. I guess some of the early models had a few kinks but mine ran without a hitch.

  • Zeus

    There’s no way SIG Switzerland would put that POS knock off rotory diopter sight on their rifle.

  • manwithoutanAR15

    know this is old but has anyone figured this out?. im wondering if its just a display firearm (meaning it will work like the real one but not fire a round. ) that seems like the only logical explination of the firearm in question if it was “real” and not a hoax. so if it was a display firearm that would not chamber or fire a round then i believe it would be classified as a non gun so it can have all original options(select fire for one) and be sold legally like any other accessory or gun part. if it is real i am betting its a display weapon.

  • John J 45

    Do you know how many ATF agents are wondering around the SHOT Show looking for this kind of shit? Me neither, but I bet it is a lot! They are not all sitting in their booth listening to us complain about our Form 1 and Form 4s taking forever!!!!!!