Citadel M1 Carbine in 9mm

Citadel M1 Carbine

In the 2013 Legacy Sports International catalog, the company announced the introduction of a Citadel M-1 Carbine chambered in 9mm.  No pricing was announced, nor was any other specifications beyond caliber.  The projected shipping date was listed as “late 2013.”

Also announced by the company was the introduction of threaded barrels for the .22 LR chambered M-1 carbines.  Threaded barrels will be available in both the wood stock and black synthetic stock versions.  Pricing is $349 for the synthetic version and $426 for the wood.

Citadel M-1 Carbine


Richard Johnson

An advocate of gun proliferation zones, Richard is a long time shooter, former cop and internet entrepreneur. Among the many places he calls home is http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/.


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  • http://twitter.com/MrozowskiJesse Jesse Mrozowski

    Hmm. Interesting. If that is a quality firearm that proves to be reliable I would take one in a heartbeat. I wonder if it will be gas operated or blowback.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Epstein/667480221 Paul Epstein

      There’s a note in the top diagram above the receiver, but it says ‘bolt locking blowback’, which last I checked was kind of a contradiction, so I guess it’ll have to be explained in more detail at some point.

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        Made in Italy so I bet it’s a translation thing

  • http://www.facebook.com/ReverendClint Clint Notestine

    good now it just needs to be fed

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Yes it does. It will get better but it will take awhile as long as the hoarders keep buying all the ammo.

      • ST4

        I like the idea of one in 10mm; I can still find those on shelves nowadays. :)

      • orly?

        hoarders? with 9mm?

        • Tim Underbakke

          Yeah… you can’t find 9mm ANYWHERE in my area. You have better luck tracking .40, .45, even 5.56

      • Moxy

        If I wasn’t a hoarder before all this fuss (and I was), I certainly am now. Good luck to everyone else trying to find ammo – I’ll be buying it by the box every week (if not more often) and every good bulk deal that comes along.

  • Rimfire

    How about a .44 Mag, or .357 model soon? Would be an A+ defense gun plus great short range (pistol cal only) deer gun where allowed.

    • Seth

      I’d be very interested in a .44mag version with 10-15 round mags.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      That would be a great idea. You may not remember but Ruger had a similar version of the 10-22 in 44 mag back in the 60’s. They dropped it after about 10 years. I always wished they would bring it back.

      • Raoul O’Shaughnessy

        They did bring it back. About ten years ago they made it with detachable mag instead of tube feed.

        • matthew_carberry

          But only a 4 round rotary mag. There’s a market for someone to after-market a 10 or 15 similar to the 25 rd .22 LR mags.

      • Eric S

        Ruger made a couple of carbines, one chambered in 9mm and the other in .40 S&W a few years back that took detachable mags. They are fun to plink with.

      • Rivrdog

        The Deerfield IS back, with a small rotary mag instead of the gate-loading tube of yore. Get a levergun, though. With a lever-rifle, you can load the heavy loads (with the proper twist of barrel, watch for that). In the heavy loads, you can put out a bullet at almost a ton of muzzle energy, or shoot a cowboy 44 Special load that won’t recoil as bad a a warm .22. If you want high-speed reloads of your 10-shooter levergun, make yourself some reloading tubes and carry them in a small quiver. They can be made by anyone handy with a Dremel, for about $20 each.

    • Marc

      Rimmed cartridges tend to not work so great in box magazines. A 10mm would be interesting.

      • t-dahlgren

        Yes, 10 mm is probably the ideal carbine round IMO.

      • Anonymoose

        How about .460 Rowland, .440 Cor-bon, or .50AE?

        • Kyle

          Those rounds are too expensive to shoot in volume and more than likely you’d be hard pressed to find a gun store that stocks them

    • http://twitter.com/Tenacious221 Tenacious221

      Rimmed cartridges are a little trickier ;)

      • Lolinski

        Many guns have managed high capacity magazines with rimmed cartridges, 22 lr and the svd rifles.

        • http://twitter.com/Tenacious221 Tenacious221

          Right, but the M1 magazines are virtually straight. I’m just saying they’ll probably go with rimless calibers first.

    • Rivrdog

      There are plenty of 44 mag carbines out there. You just have to learn to work a lever on all of them but the Deerfield, and that one only holds 4 or 5 rounds.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=576744201 Matt Ware

    That’s a great price.. very tempting.

  • 5

    Bear hunters here in the Appalachians would love it in 44 magnum.

  • DougE

    I’m glad to see someone offering the M1 in a more common and affordable caliber. I think one in 9mm would be pretty cool. I’ve also been saying for years that one in .357 mag would be sweet too. Hopefully the 9mm version does well enough to offer a host of chamberings.

    • John184

      There needs to be more 10mm carbines. I don’t know how well .357 would work in a box magazine.

      • tacticaltshirts.com

        As crazy as it seems that I like the idea of this rifle in 9mm. As a fun gun. I LOVE the idea in 10mm.

        • noob

          why are 10mm carbines so rare anyways? is it because it’s too low energy to shoot deer?

          • Sigivald

            Because nobody actually cares about 10mm.

          • Toasty

            I never understood that disinterest.
            Ballistics of a 9mm, Punch of .357mag, higher capacities than .45 Auto… Besides the recoil, what’s not to like?

          • HSR47

            “Besides the recoil, what’s not to like?”

            The fact that there is almost no factory ammunition that is loaded to full power (instead being loaded closer to .40 slow and weak), that 10mm ammo is relatively hard to find, and that when you CAN find it, it is often prohibitively expensive.

            Essentially, if you want to shoot 10mm, you pretty much have to roll your own, and not everyone wants to do that.

          • 1911a145acp

            10mm! same power as 40 S&W +P…. at 2x the price!. Or, alternately the 41 Magnum red headed stepchild of the auto cartridge world. I have had a love/hate relationship with both cartridges for nearly 25 years.

        • ricotorpe

          40SW has displaced 10MM. It isn’t anything technical, just market share.

          • The Brigadier

            The 40SW cartridge was a slapdash answer S&W came up with when the FBI who had adopted the S&W 10mm pistol in 1988 wanted a milder cartridge for their new pistols. The FBI said the 10mm cartridge that is a magnum round, was too powerful for female agents and male agents with small hands. S&W gave them the 40SW cartridge and within another decade most agents had switched from 10mm to the more anemic 40SW cartridge. S&W continues to manufacture the original strong 10MM pistol and cartridges and they became a big hit in Europe, especially with the Swiss, who appreciate the power of the 10mm that is very similar in ballistics to the old .41 magnum revolver cartridge. Its still popular in Europe, but is not used much anymore in America. Contrary to popular belief, the 40SW is not very powerful nor particularly accurate beyond 5 yards. Given a choice, I’ll always carry a .45 ACP rather than the .40SW.

          • ricotorpe

            That’s about the size of it, Brig. I did not know that the 40SW was inherently inaccurate, though. I have had one 40S&W pistol (Ruger) and two .45 1911s — a Colt and a Springfield “Mil-Spec”. The .45s were more accurate than the Ruger by an astounding margin.

      • DougE

        Desert Eagles, PSL/Dragonov, Lee Enfields, all seem to feed rimmed cases fine from box magazines and they all have great reputations. Those examples are enough for me to know it can be done.

        • ricotorpe

          Good point. Add to that plenty of .22LRs.

      • Cowboyway1965

        Look at the Desert Eagle mag in 357. mag, works fine..

    • jrt

      I completely agree on the need for 40S&W, 45ACP, .357 Mag, and .44 special.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-Blake/100001091151669 Christopher Blake

      9×23. MUCH more potent than standard 9mm.

      • Guest

        Yeah, and so is the .30 carbine cartridge, Einstein.

    • Ruger 454

      357 would be awesome.

  • NotSarcasm

    Meh, until it comes in 10mm, I’ll be happy with an Auto Ordnance M1 Carbine.

    • totenglocke

      I’m happy with my Underwood M1 Carbine. =D

      • http://twitter.com/Bucherm Matthew Bucher

        I’m happy with my National Postal Meter!

        • Moxy

          Inland FTW.

          • abecido

            IBM.

          • Jellous

            I hate you all…

          • ricotorpe

            Rockola. IWIN! IWIN! IWIN! IWIN! IWIN! IWIN! IWIN! IWIN! IWIN!

      • Lockmazter

        How ’bout anything but Universal? Can we agree on that???

  • LongrangeBob

    this looks like a load of fun, reminds of the ole Marlin Campgun. Hopefully, they will come out with 30 round mags.

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.daniels.9484 John Daniels

    This would be another good application for 9x23mm Winchester, but everybody forgot what that was decades ago I think.

    Anyway, 9x19mm is a serious ballistic downgrade from .30 Carbine.

    • http://www.facebook.com/cepenta Christopher Edward Penta

      You can nearly duplicate it with this. If it is a locked breach, a +P 9mm will do a 110 grain HP Gold dot at 1830 fps. Which is similar numbers to .30 carbine.

      • http://www.facebook.com/john.daniels.9484 John Daniels

        If you’re comfortable loading 9x19mm that hot, and also taking the risk it could get mixed into the supply of “regular” 9x19mm, then go for it. I wouldn’t do it. I’d rather use a cartridge that’s designed to produce that kind of performance, instead of hotrodding a smaller cartridge to force it to do something it was never really intended for.

      • Ruger 454

        That does sound awfully hot for a 9mm. I would not load any 9mm that hot.

    • The Brigadier

      Yes it is. The original .30 carbine was dubbed the “War Baby’ and was carried by the army in the Pacific Theater in WWII and by paratroops in England The Garand was more suited to the open field long distances in Europe than in the pacific with its dense foliage. Paratroopers carried it in Europe because too many of them in initial jumps had their necks broken and were even decapitated from the longer length of the Garand when they landed wrong.

  • P161911

    I remember back in the 1990s there were some guys converting M-1 Carbines to .50AE or maybe .45 Win Mag, the mag worked as a single stack, sort of like the .450 Beowolf ARs. I would love to see one in .50 AE, 9X23, or better yet 10mm. Or for something really crazy 9×25. Also needs 30rd mags for any/all of the above.

  • Adam

    9mm, meh. 10mm, .44mag, .357 heck yeah, though it would probably have to be a smidge heavier. I don’t even care if it’s styled after an M1 carbine. I’d rather see the 10mm and maybe a .45 version use either glock or 1911 mags instead of proprietary.

    • matthew_carberry

      Definitely. .45 Super rated, even .460 Rowland, .44 Mag-ish power in a straight walled rimless case.

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        Yea but you know those aren’t the calibers any mainstream gunmaker will chamber a rifle in. They’ll do fine with the usual 44 mag etc so there’s no incentive to make one in other calibers.

        • tacticaltshirts.com

          As much as I would like a 10mm, the 9mm makes more sense commercially.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cepenta Christopher Edward Penta

    I MUST KNOW MORE.

  • Bryan .

    Magazine look would change, but a 7.62×25 version would be slick.

    • Doom

      why would it change?

      • schizuki

        That’s what I was wondering. The 9mm is just a necked-up .30 Luger which is damn close to the .30 Mauser that the 7.62×25 nearly replicates.

      • http://twitter.com/Sharpie308 David Sharpe

        7.62 Tok is longer than 9mm. Slightly, but enough to need new mags.

    • Doom

      7.62×25 would have been cool when surplus was available for 4 cents a round, now it is 40 cents a round

      • Raven

        It’s still got a huge advantage in penetration over 9mm, cheap or not.

      • sean

        Yes! If you can find it. When I bought my CZ-52 a decade of so, I bought a few cases of the stuff. I think they were 1200 rd containers. I paid less than $120 for both. I finally shot it up a year or so ago, and couldn’t even find more than a box or two.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jgerlica John Gerlica

      Maybe if someone bought Universal’s tooling, but not Citadel. These things are ZAMAK pieces of $hit, and the one thing that hasn’t sold well even during the latest craze.

  • noob

    does the magazine have to be that wide in the front-to-back dimension if the OAL of the 9mm is not that long? If the magazines had a shorter front-to-back dimension you could carry more of them.

    • Doom

      they will more than likely retain the look of the old magazines.

  • Doom

    >Synthetic bayonet lug
    WHYYYYYY WHAT IS THE POINT? it wont look real, it won’t feel real, you can’t mount a bayonet, and it is useless weight towards the muzzle end. make a real mount out of steel, or just omit it!

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I’m a bit tired of threaded barrels and have no intention of using a bayonet anytime soon.
      For the price and considering the situation these days people will buy them if they can get them.

      • tacticaltshirts.com

        Agreed. Let’s not make this into something it’s not.

      • Doom

        They could at least offer an aftermarket steel bayonet mount, same goes for Auto Ordnance I personally think M1A1 look awesome with a bayonet on there. I don’t care about threaded barrels, the option is nice and actually has a use if you want it, and a thread protector if you don’t unlike a plastic bayonet lug…….

      • Cymond

        I’m grateful for the widespread adoption of threaded barrels. I don’t have a suppressor YET, but it’s my first priority when I get out of here, and I doubt I’ll shoot without it very much.
        Factory threaded barrels are great because they don’t add much cost. By contrast, it cost about $200 to send my Ruger pistol to Adco for threading. Ruger didn’t offer any versions of the Mk3 with threaded barrels at the time.
        If you don’t like them, then don’t buy that version, or just throw on a thread protector or A2 flash hider.

    • Sigivald

      Why can’t you mount a bayonet?

      Synthetics are pretty strong these days.

      Now, sure, it might not handle long-term use doing actual bayonet drills, but… realistically, who gives a damn? I’ve never done bayonet drills with my Nagant,l let alone with a semi-auto.

      It’s cosmetic. That’s okay.

      (Also, don’t complain about “useless weight” of a piece of plastic and then ask for a big piece of steel there.)

      • Doom

        It probably wouldn’t even fit on there. you may not mount bayonets and stab things with them, but I do. I wouldn’t complain about weight if it was practical weight. a steel lug can be used and somewhat abused. a cheap plastic one cannot.

  • bbmg

    Chambering a 70 year old design for a 110 year old cartridge, way to keep things fresh :)

    How about a 300 blackout chambering to bring this thing into the 21st century.

    • Doom

      It is a lot easier to make a rifle that shoots low pressure straight walled cartridges such as .22lr, 9mm, .45, etc. also 300 blackout is a boutique cartridge and is not mainstream like 9mm, and there aren’t 300 blk handguns (real handguns, not stockless rifles)

      • bbmg

        Not impossible, Ingram made the SAM-1 variant in 5.56. The AAC cartridge is not mainstream though, no doubt about that.

    • Tim Underbakke

      Because 300 Blackout is expensive and unique.

      Because 9mm is (or rather, used to be and hopefully will be again) abundant everywhere.

      Because the main reason people don’t buy a M1 carbine platform is the cartridge, but if everyone has the caliber already they may consider it.

      • bbmg

        Granted, my comment was more along the lines of “Whither progress?”

        Firearm innovation these days seems to be limited to throwing a bunch of existing components in a box, shaking it and seeing what falls out.

    • Komrad

      That’s a good 15mm longer than the action can handle. It’s very difficult to lengthen an action that much without issues.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      That won’t fly. They are always going to use a mainstream cartridge. Heck a lot of people buy it because it is old.

    • schizuki

      .300 Blackout in an M-1 Carbine would make your life very interesting. In one terrifying second.

  • Manny Fal

    Would make a nice blunt trauma weapon.

  • mike

    I love it. I will definitely buy one as I like 9mm carbines

  • GVD

    Why are the pictures basically exact copies of the Chiappa .22LR Carbines (especially the magazine with its slightly recessed rectangle is obvious)?

    Is Citadel just rebranding them? Or did someone mix up the pictures?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      That’s because they are made by Chiappa

  • orly?

    Please rename it, I would like this in NJ

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=779775130 Christian Hedegaard-Schou

    People forget the shootability of a quality pistol-caliber carbine. New shooters love .22 but quickly want something with more “oomph”. Putting them behind a big gun immediately can sometimes be counterproductive. But you give a new shooter a quality comfortable 9mm carbine like this, they’ll become a gun owner for life. While I am a huge fan of 9mm AR-15’s, you just cannot argue with the price of these bad boys, and not EVERY gun needs a pistol grip. I’ve got a Marlin Camp 9 that’s just a dream to shoot, and without the pistol grip qualifies as a “featureless” rifle in CA to avoid the AWB so I can run large-capacity 18rd S&W 5900-series mags in it. Though I do tend to shoot the 9mm AR-15 more.

  • Tim Underbakke

    Pretty sure I want one of these. Excellent price point and hopefully the magazines won’t be too bad,

  • shockfish08

    A dedicated 10mm M1 would make for an awesome backpacking gun!

  • Lolinski

    Wish someone would make a 9mm “hunting” rifle, without evil features like bayo mounts and scary stocks. The only legal gun like that here in Norway is the Marlin Camp Carbine which is rare.

    • http://twitter.com/Sharpie308 David Sharpe

      You can remove the bayo lug on the M1 Carbine, is that okay or does it have to be made without?

      Do you see any Ruger Carbines? Since you allow the Mini-14 I don’t see why the Carbines would be banned.

  • KC

    $350 would be amazing. I always wanted an M1 Carbine and if I’m not the only one, I think they’ve got a real winner on their hands

  • Matthew Cargill

    Looks like a cool little rifle would love to see a range report on one

  • Will B.

    Step 1 – Make it take Glock mags.
    Step 2 – Profit tremendously.

    • Andrew Moursund

      SOMEBODY HIRE THIS MAN.

    • Adam

      That’s what I’m thinking. I don’t see much point in a carbine that shoots a standard handgun caliber unless it also uses common handgun mags. If I have to carry different mags for my rifle and pistol I might as well have a rifle with a more potent cartridge.

      • LuckyCharms

        On planet Earth, the Beretta 92 mag *IS* a common handgun mag…

        • animal_mother

          I’ve never owned a 9mm Berretta of any sort, yet I own 4 mags for it.

      • Ruger 454

        Unless you own a 9mm Beretta handgun.

    • Kyle

      The Citadel M1 Glockbine, firing 9mm from Glock patented Glockazines from a closed chamber, is your next rifle! Using proprietary Glock based ‘Glocknology’, provided by Gaston Glock himself, The Citadel Glockbine comes with Two (2) 33 round Assault Glockazines, A Glock brand Glock field knife, all at the low price of 1499.99 and only at Cheaper Than Dirt, America’s premiere sporting goods retailer.

      • sthomper

        more GS or eloquent use glockalliteration?

    • ricotorpe

      1. Make M1 Carbine mag “sleeves” that make a Glock mag have the “look”.
      2. Second verse, same as the second verse above.

  • steveindajeep

    i have to agree with others who posted this already…this in 357mag would be the snizzle lips mcfee

  • Joe

    If the price of ammo comes down, I might get one of these. Pretty cheap for a 9mm carbine, although I wish there were a few more caliber options.

  • Zeitgeist

    If the mag holds 10+ and it works more reliably than some of the commercial carbines did, I’ll buy one or two at twice the price point. The M1 Carbine is enormously usable, incredibly responsive to hand compared to the AR’s I grew up on, and even faster than the MP5 I used for 12 years. Light weight but the recoil would be nothing in 9mm. Perfect for use as a house gun for nonmotivated shooters who would be unlikely to hit with a pistol or to practice with a shotgun, and for smaller women and responsible teenagers. 9MM isn’t good for pig, but put 3 good hits into a home intruder as easily one could with this and it is all good. It will also be less noisy indoors than the original caliber which, if you’ve never done it without ear pro, is important. I’d also REALLY like it to take Glock mags, and I’d buy a third for the truck, but the carbine is pretty narrow and may not allow that. Dunno. 10mm would be cool, as would 357 for those who use those calibers.

    As far as synthetic bayo lug, who cares how a defense gun looks? Leave it on, take it off, doesn’t matter. If the ounce it adds upsets you, I don’t know what to say. Threading the barrel adds literal pennies and matters to that growing minority who wants cans. Let’s not throw them under the bus.

    • Doom

      I assume you were talking about me with the bayonet lug, I just want a steel lug, would be a great truck gun, and intimidating to come out with a bayonet attached lol. I just think it is dumb to have it look like a lug but not function as one, just wasted weight and material.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brianmj Brian M Jones

    want one in 10mm or .357 mag

  • http://www.facebook.com/anders.albertsson.1 Anders Albertsson

    Always wanted an M1 but never wanted to invest in .30 Carbine. This would be even better if they made an M1A1 variant!

  • Mike F

    Now make a paratrooper/folding version and I’ll get really excited.

  • http://twitter.com/Bucherm Matthew Bucher

    Does anyone else besides me think that this is just a second go at the Marlin Camp Carbine?

    • schizuki

      An infinitely better-looking and historically evocative one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=576744201 Matt Ware

    Any word on magazine capacity?

  • Maxpwr

    Unfortunately it will be limited to only custom 10 round magazines if it is made overseas. If they use enough US parts then they can design it for magazines which take more than 10 rounds. Of course the alternative is for a US company to make magazines which hold more than 10 here, but then to use them technically runs afoul of the import ban because you still can’t put in a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds on semi-auto rifles imported since 1998.

  • MrMaigo

    I bet they’re already sold out. :(

  • Anonymous

    I hate to burst everyone’s bubble, but these things are complete and utter shit. I’ve sold several of the 22LR carbines, and every single one was returned within a week or so. I’m not actually sure if they even shoot reliably or not, because they’re so poorly made that they fall apart right out of the box. Several pieces of the trigger group are made of polymer, and it’s simply insufficient quality to work. The safety on several just kept falling out of the rifle, and on another weapon you could consistently get the hammer to drop by putting the safety on and squeezing the trigger hard.

    In my semi-experienced opinion, the entire production line would need to be completely redone from the ground-up to have even a remote chance of being worth anything. As it stands, I wouldn’t recommend anyone to buy any of these M1 replicas at any price, for any purpose.

    • RDH

      I own a black synthetic one in 22lr and it works well, I had none of the issues you mentioned. The plastic sights suck but functional and I planned on mounting a red dot anyway. Plastic bayonet lug is useless as well. Does like to be kept relatively clean but I believe that is the case with most rimfire semi’s. I ran some eley club thru it today and it grouped tighter than a witches butthole. Also have ran alot of federal champion bulk, mini mag, federal gameshock, cci standard thru it with out any issues. Will not cycle anything below standard velocity though.

  • JT

    Until it’s import is banned

  • Gunrunner1

    10mm! Don’t screw around with silly calibers, go 10mm. You can always download it to 9mm and 22lr for kids later, but use the rifle action for a real cartridge. Oly arms and Bazooka Brothers both have gas operated uppers in 10mm, in Bazooka’s case in both left handed and right handed! This nifty little carbine would be perfect combo for a high intensity pistol on the hip.

  • ARFCOM

    Chamber for 5.7mm FN.

  • fidalgoman

    Like so many have said “Glock Mags”. From the G-19 (or maybe 26) through the happy sticks. Great idea though, I hope they just don’t limit themselves using only the Beretta Mags..

  • 1911a145acp

    Instead of reinventing the wheel and discarding approx 3 million perfectly serviceable 10, 15 and 30 round magazines, why not just import loads of cheap 30 carbine ammo from South America and the former Soviet Republics?

  • Wetcoaster

    There’s a longish review thread on Canadian Gun Nutz on the Chiappa M1-9 (I think this is the original manufacturer for these guns in Italy) on the… uh… more challenging aspects of its operation.

    The most common problems seem to be FTFs involving the bolt either not travelling back far enough or the magazine feed lips not holding the rear of the next round high enough to be caught by bolt.

    If I were to guess, I’d suggest that Chiappa might be re-using tooling from their M1-22s (which came first), and the receivers aren’t providing enough room for the (straight blowback) bolt in relation to the mag well, forcing them to go with a shorter, stiffer recoil spring and causing the associated problems when the loads being fired aren’t hot enough to send the bolt back far enough to feed the next round.