Smith & Wesson M&P Review

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Smith & Wesson M&P is considered one of the main competitors for Glocks on the market of relatively cheap polymer frame pistols. Recently, I had a chance to lay my hands on an M&P 9mm and to compare it to its rival. Below is the detailed review.

First, let us cover the technical details. Smith & Wesson M&P is a striker action, polymer frame pistol. It comes in 9mm, .40S&W, .45ACP, and .357SIG calibers. Mine was the 9mm. It is a full size handgun with the barrel length of 4.25” and the width of 1.2”. The 9mm version comes with two 17-rounds magazines.

M&P Side View

M&P Side View

Specification

M&P9 Glock17
Capacity 17+1 17+1
Barrel Length 4.25” 4.49”
Trigger Pull 6.5lb 5.5lb
Overall length 7.63” 7.32”
Weight (empty) 24oz 22.04oz
Overall height 5.5” 5.43”
Width 1.2” 1.18”
Sight Radius 6.4” 6.49”

As you can see from the table, the M&P is slightly larger and heavier in comparison to Glock-17. At the same time, surprisingly it has a slightly shorter barrel and the sight radius. The trigger pull is slightly heavier as well.

Special features

The Picatinny rail under the muzzle allows installation of various aftermarket accessories such as tactical flashlights or laser sights.

The ambidextrous controls make it a good choice for a left-handed shooter. The slide lock release is accessible from both sides. The magazine release is located on the left side, for a right-hand shooter, but can be reinstalled for a left-handed operator.

The loaded chamber indicator allows to see if there is a round in the chamber without moving the slide backward. The indicator is large in size and the loaded round is clearly visible even in relatively low light conditions.

Load Chamber Window

Load Chamber Indicator

Similar to Glocks, the M&P has integrated trigger safety, but M&P’s design is slightly better, leaving the trigger shape intact without parts of the trigger sticking out.

The back straps are swappable to accommodate different hand sizes.

Ergonomics – [A+]

If there is anything striking about this gun, it is its ergonomics. When designing this pistol, S&W engineers have invested a lot bringing it to perfection. Not only this gun looks great, but it fits perfectly into the hand. 

Let us check out the details:

  • All the edges are rounded to create a natural look and feel.
  • The large beaver tail protects shooter’s hand from the nasty skin bites Glock is famous for.
  • The grip angle is more natural and reduces muscle tension when holding the gun.
  • The grip is higher and the barrel sits lower allowing better recoil control.
  • The magazine release button is located in a perfect location, allowing dropping off the magazines without shifting your hand position.
  • The riffling on the back end of the slide is very “sticky” providing better traction when racking the slide.
  • The magazines are easy to load to the full capacity. Inserting the last round is almost as easy as the first one.

Accuracy – [C]

I took this gun to the range and I had about 150 rounds shot through it. I have shot this gun side by side with the Glock-19 – my primary gun. Hands down, the Glock was the winner.

M&P vs. Glock at the range

M&P vs. Glock at the range

 

I attribute the discrepancy to the following factors:

The trigger pull

It is always hard to describe a difference between a good and a bad trigger pull. It is something you need to experience yourself. The M&P trigger feels mushy; it becomes obvious when you shoot it side by side with the Glock.

M&P9 vs. Glock Trigger

M&P9 vs. Glock Trigger

Another problem – the trigger reset. When you release the trigger halfway it clicks, but it does not reset yet. You have to let it go slightly more to get it reset.  It is confusing at first and requires getting used to. On the other hand the reset is short – no complains here.

The M&P trigger is also heavier than usual for a striker action handgun. Most popular striker guns have a trigger pull around 5.5lb. M&P’s 6.5lb.

The mediocre trigger is a known problem for this gun, and a problem for one is a business opportunity for another.  APEX Tactical has released an aftermarket trigger that claims to solve all the original trigger problems.

The sights

M&P Sights

M&P Sights

The art of an iron sight is to choose the ideal width of the front side comparing to the width of the opening in the back sight. Too wide of the front sight will not leave enough space on its sides to align it properly, making aiming harder and longer. The too narrow front sight will have too much space on its sides, leaving room for an alignment error and affecting accuracy.

The M&P creators made the second mistake – they made it too narrow. They also made the front dot too small in comparison to the back sights dots, making it harder to align vertically as well.

As with the trigger, the problem can be solved by an aftermarket solution. There are many aftermarket sights available for M&P handguns.

Maintenance – [B]

The field strip is much better in comparison to Glock. No awkward hand position, no partial movement of the slide. Just remove the magazine, rack the slide backward, rotate the take down lever, release the slide, pull the trigger…

Did I say “pull the trigger”?

The M&P field strip is definitely a progress from the awkward Glock disassembly, but still requires a trigger pull. It is a big no-no in my book, that’s why M&P does not get “A” in this category. The requirement to pull a trigger when disassembling the gun for the cleaning is a known source of accidental (or rather negligent) discharges.

M&P Dissassembled

M&P Dissassembled

The manual says you can field strip it without pulling the trigger, but the instructions are not clear and hard to follow.

Reliability – [A]

I have not had a chance to shoot enough ammo through this gun to see the actual frequency of malfunctions. I can tell you it worked flawlessly for the 150 rounds of mixed ammo – Federal, PMC, and some gun show reloads.

An online research shows that there are not many complaints about this gun malfunctioning, not more than for Glocks. The manufacturer took several steps to improve reliability of this gun:

  • Similar to Glock, the slide and the barrel are made of stainless steel hardened with the Melonite process. The result is much harder and much more corrosion resistant material.
  • The slide and the frame area of contact is minimized. There are only four relatively short points of contacts where the slide touches the frame. That makes gun more resilient to dirt and dust, and makes cleaning easier.

Pistol-training.com has torture tested the gun and it was able to survive 62,333 rounds without major malfunctions.

Accessories – [A-]

The M&P series is quite popular. The aftermarket of accessories follows. Holsters, sights, triggers are readily available. Spare parts like magazines are not a problem to buy (the prices and the availability these days are different due to the recent political events).

The Picatinny rail allows installation of standard handgun accessories like tactical flashlights and laser sights.

One thing I could not find for M&P, which would be very beneficial in the light of increased ammo prices – a 22lr conversion kit. Thus the minus.

Cost

The MSRP on the manufacturer website is $569. It makes this gun to be a priced at the mid-range for the category. Not long ago it was possible to find a new one online as low as $450. With today’s situation on the firearm market, we will have to wait until things calm down before we see such prices again.

Conclusion

The Smith & Wesson M&P9 was designed to be the most ergonomic handgun on the market.  Kudos to the M&P designers and engineers – they got it very close. Unfortunately, it came with the price – the trigger, the sights, and the disassembly could be better.

M&P9 vs Glock - Size Comparison

M&P9 vs Glock 19 – Size Comparison

Here is how it fits different usage scenarios:

Concealed Carry – 2/5

The M&P9 is a full size gun. It is large, thick, and relatively heavy. If you are looking for a handgun for concealed carry consider the M&P Shield or the M&P Compact variations.

Home Protection – 5/5

High capacity, good ergonomics, striker action and improved resilience to dust and dirt makes this gun an ideal handgun for home defense. Less than perfect accuracy does not play an important role at the distances inside of an average home in a self-defense scenario.

I still think a shotgun is better tool for the task, but among the handguns, the M&P is quite close to the top of my list.

Range Fun – 3/5

If you want to buy a gun to go occasionally to the range with your friends, the M&P might not be the best candidate, mostly due to its poor accuracy. The fun is lost when you cannot show off your 1” groups at 25 yards to your buddies.

Competition – 4/5

While M&P is definitely not a good fit for a bull’s eye shooting, it is very good for practical shooting sports like IDPA or USPSA. Its lower slide profile improves the recoil management, and as a result, allows faster shooting. On the negative side are the less than ideal sights and the trigger pull, both of which can be easily fixed by the aftermarket solutions.

Duty – 5/5

When the size is not the factor, the rest of parameters bring this gun forward. High capacity, ergonomics, striker action, reliability, availability of holsters and aftermarket accessories make this gun a great duty firearm for LE officers. In a defensive shooting scenarios sights and trigger does not play as an important role, but reliability and large amount of rounds in a magazine are critical.

Additional info

David Kizhnerman is a certified NRA instructor and author of the simplyaboutguns.com blog, dedicated to popularizing firearm education, improving shooting skills, and other firearm related topics.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charlie-Taylor/45502682 Charlie Taylor

    You do NOT have to pull the trigger to disassemble the M&P! There is a small lever on the inside of the gun near the ejector that disengages the sear, it should be painted yellow. Flip that down and you’re good to go.

    • http://www.facebook.com/davidkiz David Kizhnerman

      I mentioned this in the review. But this option is not easy to find, even after reading the manual, even for a person who has experience with firearms. When you compare the field strip process of M&P to let’s say, Walther, or FN, it is still more complicated. Thus the [B].

      • Curious_G

        Not easy to find? The manual explains it well and the lever is neon yellow.

        • Fyrewerx

          Mine isn’t quite as “neon yellow” as it should be, and is hard to see. Also, it requires something to push it down… my finger doesn’t fit.

          • Curious_G

            You are supposed to use the tool that also holds the backstrap in. I use a chopstick.

          • Jim Chambers

            It’s amazing how useful chopsticks are for gun mx. I used one to disassemble my LC9.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396330984 Casey Khoury

            you can use the pin thing that holds the rear grip as a takedown tool

          • Parshman

            Use a small allen wrench. Problem solved.

        • Fyrewerx

          Thanks Curious_G. I didn’t know that.

        • Frank455444

          :-)

    • Frank455444

      Right. If all else fails. “Read the Directions”

  • Risky

    The M&P may not currently have .22 conversions, but Smith & Wesson does have a version chambered in .22lr. I don’t know if the trigger and sights are identical, but there are definitely advantages in having a dedicated .22 trainer versus a kit or top end.

    • http://www.facebook.com/davidkiz David Kizhnerman

      There are advantages and disadvantages for both approaches. Having a dedicated 22lr pistol will provide you with a separate firearm you still can use for self-defense. It can also be used as a training gun for your spouse of a teenage child.

      On the other hand, it has to be exactly the same as your main carry pistol so you can train effectively and be able to reuse the same accessories – e.g. holsters, lights. Also the conversion kits are usually cheaper than the full 22lr handgun.

      • UnluckyD

        I have the 22LR version and just sold my 9mm. The frames are identical in shape/size, they were designed that way. I have a holster for one and it fits both perfectly. I really enjoyed having a 22LR version and a 9mm version that were the same, but I just am not a fan of 9mm.

        Good review.

  • n0truscotsman

    finally, a objective comparison with the M&P without the hype.

    • ZD

      Really, the author couldn’t even read the directions on how to takedown the gun? Did anyone else fire the gun to make sure the sights aren’t off, the grouping between the two guns looks the same….

      • LJK

        That’s what I was wondering, too. I mean, couldn’t you just drift the front sight slightly to the left? The groups look to be the same size, just not hitting the same place.

        Also I was a bit confused at the comparison to a Glock. The info sheet at the beginning lists the features of a Glock 17, but the shooting comparison is done with a (compact) Glock 19, and the size comparison at the bottom is also done with a Glock 19. Why is that?

        • http://www.facebook.com/davidkiz David Kizhnerman

          A clarification for the accuracy. While the Glock group is tight with only one stray hole due to shooter’s mistake, with M&P I could not produce a consistent pattern. I did not pay much attention to the location of the group, I looked more on the distribution and the size. For 7 feet it bigger enough to make the conclusion I made.

      • n0truscotsman

        the groupings were NOT the same and the gun takedown without pulling the trigger was noted.

        If you are going to drop the money on a M&P, spend it on the VTAC version. Much, much better.

  • zardinuk

    What is this time-warp to 2005?

    • Joseph

      Yeah. It looks like an older M&P. There are newer ones on the market now with some small fixes.

      • oil

        Including a new barrel with an improved twist rate – helps with the previous accuracy issues. If this test gun isn’t from late last year or newer, you’re review is kinda moot.

        • TXG’sUp

          I most def agree, the newer m&p 9mm are absolutely more accurate

  • Packy

    the field strip of an M&P might be better than a glock (for those prone to Negligent disharge!) but total gun dis assemble the glock is far simpler.

    Trigger? why would you want to burn money with aftermarket apex parts?!

    • http://www.facebook.com/davidkiz David Kizhnerman

      Some people do things like this especially for practical sports like IDPA and USPSA.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Oh man Packy you would have to use the Apex modification to appreciate it. It makes a world of difference in trigger pull. Having said that it also enhances accuracy.

    • n0truscotsman

      because the trigger in the M&P sucks. The apex parts are well worth it

  • Joseph

    I just wonder how much a Glock can really be put on the market for. M&P seems to have a lot of pretty machining and reinforced hardware compared to it. Glock is very simple. That said, I like both the guns for my own reasons.

  • 5

    I said it before. Glock is still the standard when it comes to the plastic pistol. I’ve never read a review of a Glock stating that it was produced to compete against…( insert your favorite “more better” plastic gun here).

  • http://www.facebook.com/TMurph1228 Tyler Murphy

    22LR conversion kit is irrelevant. Accuracy isn’t a fair comparison your used to shooting your glock…

  • http://www.facebook.com/matthew.l.fleming Matt Fleming

    I’m honestly not a fan of the grip for the M&P. I have tried all three of the backstraps, and even tried a slip on hogue grip as well, but I still can’t get comfortable with it. Also, for the amount of money I spent on the weapon and the Apex kit, I probably would have been happier with a Sig.

  • Jim Chambers

    I upgraded from a Ruger LC9 to M&P9C and I’m very happy with it. Much easier to maintain and it feels much better in my hand. Great gun overall.

    • http://www.facebook.com/davidkiz David Kizhnerman

      Would completely agree on how it feels and fits the hand. Hard to let it go.

  • mw

    Pull The trigger? You did no justice to your review. Accuracy looked to be the same size groups. Not a true review, just a comparison to a Block

  • hakis

    M&P 9Pro …. Owns the glock all week long. 5,25″ Barrel, with a way better triggerpull.

    • Garrett

      At that point, wouldn’t you compare the M&P 9 Pro to the Glock 34 instead of the standard 17?

  • http://www.facebook.com/cnbaker Chris Baker

    In the photos above, the rear sight is clearly drifted way over to the left, which would account for the point of impact being off on the target. The group size itself is actually similar to the Glock. If the rear sight is moving in the dovetail when firing, try tightening the set screw and use some *green* Loc Tite to hold it in place. I had this issue with some aftermarket sights and a gunsmith recommended this course of action, and the sights haven’t moved in 1000 rounds or so.

    M&Ps are known to have some accuracy issues, but not at such short ranges. For example, I can’t get my M&P to group better than 4-5″ at 25 yards, but at 7 yards, all the shots will go into one hole. According to some, this is due to design flaws in the original M&P barrel. I can tell you for sure it’s not due to the sights or trigger, at least not on my particular gun.

    A distinction should be made between the inherent mechanical accuracy of the gun and the ease of shooting the gun accurately. Sights and a trigger pull can be changed easily, but if the gun is inherently inaccurate, that often takes additional (and expensive) work. Personally, I’m reluctant to make any claims about a gun’s accuracy unless I’ve shot it from a bench rest.

    • http://www.facebook.com/davidkiz David Kizhnerman

      Thanks for the comment! Couple of notes:

      On location of the group vs. the size. Of course the location of the group can be corrected by adjusting the sights. As for the size – the Glock’s group is tighter except one stray hole due to the the shooter mistake. The M&P group is less consistent. it was much harder to predict the location of a hole after each shot. IMHO for the distance of 7 yards there is enough difference to make the conclusion.

      As for the mechanical accuracy vs. ease of shooting – i completely agree that it is impossible to judge gun’s mechanical accuracy without a bench test. What I am looking for when testing the accuracy is a combination of factors – mechanical accuracy, ergonomics of the grip, quality of the trigger and sights. I think that for a real life scenarios this practical approach makes more sense.

  • Zane

    Charlie is right, you do not have to pull the trigger to disassemble. Also, it it $519 at Academy, cheaper than a glock.

  • ExMachina1

    The gun is obviously an older M&P which lacks the re-designed trigger. Also, the “accuracy” test sure looks pretty comparable to the Glock in terms of group sizes and any POI problems at 7 yards are shooter error (for example, try drifting the rear sight to the right–there’s room n the slide).

  • http://www.facebook.com/jack.evony.167 Jack Evony

    I own the M&P in .40 and the Glock in several models in both 9mm and .40. Without a doubt, I prefer the M&P. I have the very real tendency to drift shots to the left with the Glock (as do many people if you research the net) and that tendency is not there with the M&P. I also dislike the finger grooves on the Glock as they don’t match up to my hand size. I find my fingers rest on the ridges which is uncomfortable and tends to allow the weapon to move a bit when fired.

    • RickH

      I agree about the finger swells. I bought a 3rd gen Glock 19 3 years ago after selling my gen 2 a few years earlier. I thought I’d get used to them, but just never did, got the infamous “Glock knuckle”.

  • John

    The accuracy test seems like you need to adjust the sights. They’re pretty comparable and doesn’t deserve a C.. maybe a B+/B at the harshest?

    • http://www.facebook.com/davidkiz David Kizhnerman

      As i already mentioned in one of the comments: while the location of the group can be corrected by adjusting the sights, the size is the problem. The Glock’s group is tighter except one stray hole due to the the shooter mistake. IMHO for the distance of 7 yards there is enough difference to make the conclusion. Also some of it is based on my feeling during the test – the M&P group is less consistent. it was much harder to predict the location of a hole after each shot.

      Saying that it seems like I had tested an older model and the newer one had some of these things corrected.

      • http://www.facebook.com/robert.blackburn.319 Robert Blackburn

        Those groups are virtually identical in size.

        • EL10

          Yes, take out a measuring tape and they are nearly identical. Of course shooting one group from each gun with a single type of ammunition tells us nearly nothing about inherent (“mechanical”) accuracy. One would also expect that the subjective claims of accuracy would favor the gun the author claims as his “primary” weapon as opposed to one that is new to him. But it is good that the groups consist of 10 rounds each. I didn’t gather that from the article.

      • EL10

        Indeed, the groups are nearly identical after you eliminate the one ‘pulled’ shot from the Glock group. A horizontal string (Glock) of the same size is just that – the same size, and thus not more ‘consistent’. One should also consider shooting another group if she/he ‘pulled’ one of the shots. Thus we are left comparing a four shot group to a five shot group. That being considered, the S&W actually looks more accurate.

        • n0truscotsman

          yes, the glock was more consistent. im not sure what the confusion is about or why many seem to have trouble with size proportions.

        • http://www.facebook.com/davidkiz David Kizhnerman

          The Glock’s group consists of 11 shots, the S&W – 10. I have compensated for the stray one. The Glock’s is significantly smaller in height and slightly in width. Add to this the actual feeling I mentioned – the fact that I could predict where shot went much better with Glock than with S&W.

          • CJJ91

            that “feeling” of predictability couldn’t have anything to do with the Glock being used as your “primary” gun compared to a gun your are shooting for the first time now could it?

  • Nmate

    The M&P definitely deserves a C or worse in the accuracy department. I don’t know if this particular model does, but the full size, 9mm M&P is notorious for being less accurate than its competitors. It remains to be seen if the new barrels have fixed this because it had to do with more than just twist rate. For whatever reason, the full size 9mm barrels unlock early.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      The newer M&P’s have an improved barrel which results in better accuracy. The old pistols rep still bleeds over to the newer ones.

    • Curious_G

      Notorious? That is an exaggeration. There have been cases but it is not law.

  • Alex

    I am also curious on why you compare in size a full size M&P to the Glock 19 when discussing how well it conceals. That seems rather unfair to the M&P. Glock made the 19 just as S&W made the M&P9c for CCW.

    • http://www.facebook.com/davidkiz David Kizhnerman

      The comparison is there just for the visualization. The M&P is clearly not a good fit for concealed carry disregarding what I compare it to. Same as Glock17, or FN FNP or Beretta 92F or any other full size handgun.

      • gunslinger

        but really, from the G19 ovelay, the MP9 looks about the same size. unless i’m missing something?

        a better visualization ref would be to have the G17 and MP9 as well as the G19 all together so we can see how it fits. even better though, throw in the MP9c

        • Curious_G

          The M&P is in between G19 and G17 (closer to G19). The added length in comparison to the G17 is beavertail.

      • Alex

        I definitely agree. Rereading that section of the review I realize you did not specifically compare the full size M&P to the Glock 19. I must have mentally inserted that myself. Thanks for the clarification.

  • RickH

    Am I missing something? Is there something very bad about having to pull the trigger prior to disassembly on certain firearms? I’ve never had any difficulty.

    • http://www.facebook.com/davidkiz David Kizhnerman

      Known source of negligent discharges.

      • RickH

        Really? People that have this problem should not be allowed around firearms.

    • n0truscotsman

      there is nothing wrong with pulling the trigger being needed for disassembly. if you cleared the %#(@ing firearm and verified a empty chamber, you will be fine.

    • MOG

      Not bad at all, take the magazine out, then pull trigger to make sure it is unloaded. What could go wrong?

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.murphy.9250 Eric Murphy

    People always blame the gun for accuracy… all guns shoot straight on target. It’s the operator not the gun. When people tell me that a gun is not accurate and I go and shoot it and hit what I’m aiming for, It’s the shooters fault.

    • http://www.facebook.com/davidkiz David Kizhnerman

      While I mostly agree, things like sights, trigger, ergonomics, barrel do affect the accuracy even for the same shooter. That’s why I did the comparison side by side. It is easier to understand the accuracy of one gun comparing to another when the test is conducted in the similar environment, using the same ammo and the same shooter.

      • yessah3

        What you didn’t account for was your familiarity with the Glock. Had you shot the M&P as much as the Glock, then my guess is they would be about the same in terms of accuracy.

    • Joel

      There have been issues with M&P accuracy that were not shooter related. A fairly good forum worked through them. I can’t tell if this sample pistol is from that time period or afterward or, for that matter, if what this shooter experienced was attributable to that issue or something else.

      http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?2903-Recent-manufacture-M-amp-P-9-accuracy

      • Curious_G

        Yes – but then again, Todd (from Pistol Training) shot an M&P9 basically to its destruction with no accuracy issues. It is hard to tell what is really causing it, but some seemed to be unlocking early.

        • Joel

          “…some seemed to be unlocking early.”
          That is actually my point, so thanks. My point was “there have been issues with M&P accuracy that were not shooter related.” My point was a response to “…all guns shoot straight on target. It’s the operator not the gun.”

  • n0truscotsman

    you should review the VTAC version. It is what the M&P should have been standardized at. For the money, the FN series will tear the M&P a new arse. The FNX9 and FNS are awesome.

  • Josh

    I swear the M&p i got a month ago had like a 10lb pull. I’m not even joking. After about 10 dry fires my finger would really hurt.

  • John184

    I wish .357 SIG was a more mainstream round. It’s pretty nice.

  • Afreakinpro

    Ok this guy is a retard, of course you’ll shoot better with your every day carry than a gun you get to try out. My M&P can hit the x every time. But of course I did get mine when the first came out. And another thing the instructions were difficult….. YouTube dip hole. People like this piss me off ” ohhh ummmm duh I done did get to shoot that gun couldn’t hit a darn thing”.
    How many guns do you own, how many times do you go to the range. This kind of stupid uninformed reviews are the reason that my job gets harder every time a stupid review comes out…..
    P.s.
    Oh yea im in the industry find the gun that fits your hand that has a trigger pull you like.
    Talk to a pro go to a gun store… talk to the guys that shoot the gun more than once.

  • Brad S

    I’ve shot quarter sized groups with my m&p9 at 21ft taking my time and fist sized on mag dumps. I’ve received compliments on my accuracy with a stock trigger during combative handgun classes. Not sure what caused your accuracy issues.

    • http://www.facebook.com/davidkiz David Kizhnerman

      Every shooter is different and has a different level of the skill. I never claimed i am a world champion in the bull’s eye shooting. What I did is I compared two similar guns in exactly same environmental conditions, shooting the same ammo, by the same shooter. If does really matter if I shoot quarter inch groups or 10″ groups, The relative difference does.

      • yessah3

        Could you make the argument that you are more used to the Glock. Now if you were new to both firearms and comparing them then yes, but you have shot the Glock a lot I am assuming and are more comfortable with it. I have actually read the exact opposite on many sites…that the M&P is more accurate than the Glock.

  • Chenendez

    The trigger pull takedown is not a bad thing. It is a must to make sure the gun is unloaded when taking apart. This will force you to do so. Most accidents are the result of operator not making sure of this.

  • Chris B

    I prefer my Glock, I paid out more for the longslide and target trigger – 5.2lbs of creeky trigger not the advertised 4lbs and why is it shooting 10″ high at 25 yards ?

    • jpturcotte1 .

      Mine is about the same. Did you ever find out why or find a fit?

  • greg k

    How many people ever realized if you grab a Glock and do a one hand point, the shape of the grip cants the barrel/slide roughly 5 degrees to the outside of your body. th slide does not follow the radius bone in the arm either right or left handed. explaining the misses to the left for a right handed shooter. the m&p is a more natural pointer. when I went thru the police academy. we didn’t use sights until the 10 yard line (2,4,7 yards were first)

  • phamnuwen

    The requirement to pull a trigger when disassembling the gun for the cleaning is a known source of accidental (or rather negligent) discharges.

    Negative. The source is operator negligence.
    Follow Cooper’s safety rules.
    Make sure the gun is unloaded.
    Aim and dry fire in safe direction.
    Do not, like many idiots, get in the habit of doing reflexive dry firings in some general safe-ish direction all the time after unloading the firearm.
    Every time you pull the trigger, expect a round to go off. Even if you just emptied the gun.

  • http://twitter.com/roth_zach Zach Roth

    Not easy to find? What kind of review is this? What a joke. Lost a reader. lame.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.perales.5 Michael Perales

    I used to work for S&W at the M&P dept. only seven people assamble and package this product, from the 9mm full and compact to the 45 full/ compact, people dont take this with pride because,people are working on a tension enviroment, are intimidated and staff make you to do this weapon on a rush basis, all it counts is a number at the end of the shift, if not you are in a bad position, that is why this assemblers just do what they are told and that is it, no questions asked, you dont have the rights to be heard not even to an oppinion, so people get there and work with no full attention to details only in the cosmetics, it is time for some one to take action and stop this cruelty against people, let them make a better product and of course to have pride in what you are making, this is the begining of the problem the rest is technical, but moral is on the floor.

  • Kate

    Field stripping this gun is super simple. You have two options: Take down lever and pull the trigger, or reach a finger (or the tool built into the bottom of the handle) in and pull the “s” shaped pin upward. I’m a girl, just got into shooting, and this is my first gun. Seriously, I had no problems figuring it out, and this was the first gun I have ever disassembled. I love that you have two options for those who do not want to pull their trigger.

    I have now shot dozens of guns and this is by far my favorite! It has almost no recoil and had built in features that I find helpful:

    *The back straps make it a custom fit to almost every hand
    *The beaver tail makes it so that the slide doesn’t bloody up your hand
    *The recoil is way lighter than a Glock IMHO.
    *It comes with a tool for field stripping
    *I find the optional magazine safety useful (gun won’t fire when the mag is out; some people don’t like it)
    *My left handed friends love that they can shoot it left handed (slide release on both sides)
    *The chamber indicator is very useful but shouldn’t be totally depended upon. I mostly use it to make sure a round chambered if I’m intending to immediately fire it. You should always open up the action if you are making sure its UNLOADED.
    * I chose the version without the safety because my safety is between my two eye balls. If the finger doesn’t touch it, the thing won’t fire. The trigger pull is heavy enough that it would almost be difficult to have a negligent discharge, but then again, some people’s stupidity shouldn’t surprise me. A safety shouldn’t really change the way you handle a firearm anyway.

    The trigger is a little weird, but I don’t totally hate it. There is a lot of slack to pull out and the double joint is a little strange. If anything, I find it to be a little stiff. I’ve pretty much gotten used to it.

    The regular size 9 mm is a little big for most conceal carry operations, however the 9 compact might be more appropriate. The only issue is that your pinky finger might catch the magazine as it’s coming in or out. You can buy a magazine extension to fix that problem. I found it to be annoying, so I went with the regular size.

    In terms of the author showing his targets as a comparison of the two firearms, I’m not sure that it was completely and scientifically unbiased. He mentioned that his Glock 19 was his primary gun, but had only shot 150 rounds through the M and P. At seven yards, my M and P, looks just like his Glock target pic. Of course you will be a better shot with a gun you are super familiar with! Usually when the shots are up and to the right or left of a hit, then it is almost always due to improper trigger pull. Anyone used to the Glock’s trigger will have a hard time switching to the double jointed M and P, on a dime. You have to have a nice, slow, straight back pull for it to be dead accurate. Or expecting a greater recoil, shooting the M and P with a lighter recoil might make the hand do a little false movement, in expectation of the extra recoil. The world may never know.

    Moral: Great gun, easy to clean, a joy to shoot, great for law enforcement, and if you don’t like the stock trigger and sights, then upgrade to after market ones.

    I have a Glock at my disposal, so I feel that my review isn’t totally biased. Don’t get me wrong, I actually love shooting Glocks. I love their back sights, but don’t like their stronger recoil. Both are great choices. I just want to make sure that the M and P is given the right facts and a fair trial.

    • GTP

      Agree! It doesn’t take a genius to flip down that litter bar in the M&P and disassemble without pulling the trigger. Glocks are harder, at least for me, to disassemble – it feels very weird.

    • gwm148

      Thank you for putting [what would have been] my EXACT input and opinion on MY 1st pistoI. I bought the m&p 9mm new, while waiting for my first 2 purchases to be “born” and delivered to my FFL. My purchase paperwork was going to expire and I could not grow comfortable using the range rentals….

  • jimbo

    Glock dissasembly is awkward? And you can’t check the chamber on the M&P before dissasembling the trigger? What are you, brain dead?

    • jimbo

      * disassembling the gun* not trigger

  • Dee

    I am a woman who owns an M&P 9 and also a FNX 9. I am looking for another purchase yet have encountered many, many issues when shopping. First, I am VERY particular! I have small hands and without a doubt need the grip. I had to purchase the rubber grip for both of my guns. I LOVE the length of the M&P. When reading your article above…I figured out that is because of the clip size—it adds to the length. 17 plus 1
    I do conceal-carry…and what is weird is that I never carry my FN because it sticks out too far on my hip.
    I love my husbands HK 40…..but I don’t want the same gun, you know?
    An added note….I am dead on with the M&P. Out of 117 shots at a 25 foot distance (inside shooting range) I can get 92 bullets in the same hole. There was a gun instructor teaching a class and was in shock. I have a weird grip–but isn’t that saying don’t change it if it is not broken–lol.
    I’m just looking for some suggestions! One of my best friends has a Shield and the gun is way too small for me. When gripping it, the bottom of my hand has nothing to grip….its like the handle is too small.
    Any suggestions???

    • Brandon Rios

      sig sp 2022

      • Parshman

        I have to second that. The controls on the Sig are right there by your hand so you don’t have to look to release the slide. It is well made, light, and high quality through and through. I have, or have had both, and they are fine weapons.

  • Parshman

    There are two things you need to know about this weapon. First, the trigger can be fixed with a just over $35 sear from Apex Tactical. It smooths the pull, and gives a much more definitive “click” when resetting. Second, the slide lock back is exactly that. I called S&W today, and it is designed tactically such that when a magazine is put in forcefully, the slide will come forward and put a bullet in the chamber. As far as accuracy, most reports are that the accuracy is excellent. We all know that most guns are more accurate than their owners, so see for yourself. It is a great pistol, and has most of the tactical advantages done already (Pro series).

    • Parshman

      Correction…you need the above fix and the striker block…also about $40 from Apex. You would figure since everyone knows about this that S and W would make the fix and then advertise it. Maybe that’s my millions dollar idea. It never fails that certain weapons have their one or two problems that are very easy fixes, but somehow, the gun manufacturers don’t get it.

  • Parshman

    I think the only reliable way to judge accuracy is to put the gun in a vice and shoot it that way. Human error is too big a factor to rate a gun according to one man’s experience. A review should be as scientifically accurate as possible.

  • Parshman

    I was initially really disappointed with the trigger pull on my Smith M&P Pro .40. It is VERY gritty and yes, it is a little “mushy”. I ordered the sear and striker block from Apex Tactical (they together were about $90) and installed them and WOW…the difference is night and day. Now, this all begs the question: Smith and Wesson, why are you not fixing this? It is a simple fix…a little polishing, a little attention to detail. This is supposed to be an “out of the box” tactical firearm, but the trigger pull is central to that roll. At the price, Smith and Wesson should listen to customers and fix this problem so that it truly is an out of the box tactical, fully ready to go weapon. BTW, the Apex fix reduces trigger pull, over travel, improves reset, and is absolutely silky smooth…no more gritty feel at all. The hardest part about the fix is drifting the rear sight, but there are good videos on the Apex site about how to do it. If you own this weapon, you owe it to yourself to do this upgrade…it will be like a whole new weapon.

  • Mr. Unimpressed

    Poor, inaccurate review

  • Tack Session

    if the pistol you tested accuracy on is the one pictured your sights are way off to the left…. the grouping from Smith is actually good.

  • Brandon

    I hit dead center with my m&p9 at 25 yards

  • William Taylor

    It’s a good thing the author isn’t a rabid Glock fan. This would be a terrible article if it was blatantly biased in favor of der Glockster……. oh, wait…….. it IS.
    Ah well, I doubt Smith will lose any sleep over this journalistic hatchet job.

  • makinthemagic

    RE: the lack of 22lr conversion kit…just buy an M&P 22. It costs a little more than a conversion but then you can shoot both simultaneously.

  • Christine

    So when you’re comparing dimensions you use a Glock 17. When you lay them on each other and do a side by side, you use the smaller Glock 19? I think the Atlanta Journal Constitution has an opening for a writer in their obituary department…Submit a resume!