ATI VEPR Strikeforce Rail System

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ATI Gunstocks posted photos of a new rail system for the Molot VEPR rifles on their Facebook page. The aluminium handguard has rails in six positions (top, bottom and at 45, 135, 225 and 315 degree angles). The hanguard has a slim profile with the top rail raised to clear the gas system. It is pictured below on a .308 Win. chambered VEPR.

This stock will go on sale sometime in 2013. No word on pricing.

[ Many thanks to Matt for the tip. ]

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  • Sean

    Makes it look like a rifle you’d see in Aliens or some other Sci-Fi flick.

  • James Martinez

    I’m not sure If I like this, I see the usefulness, but man the wood on those VEPRs is pretty…

  • Reverend Clint

    will it fit on a saiga 308?
    and whats the point of the points at the end? seems like the barrel would block any function beyond jamming it into crap like a table or door jam. That makes sense for a 12 gauge but not as much on a rifle.

    look for it coming soon on the next Universal Soldier

  • Nathaniel

    Ah, good; I was afraid my rifle wouldn’t be heavy enough.

    • Ian

      Or ugly enough…

  • Noodles

    Yes, full length non free-float rail with breaching spikes and a raised top rail ensuring you’ll need a chin weld to look down the optics.

    This fails so hard to almost any 308 AR platform out right now. The AK style action is not useless but this heap is. Their demo picture can’t manage to show a reason that rail is so long.

    If we could combine this with the Molot shotgun from earlier, that would just be THE winner. Except it needs more spikes.

  • Gidge

    IS it just me or is that thing ridiculously long?

    • West

      Thats what she said.

  • Aragorn

    Don’t worry about the length I am sure the president and his anti-gun sheeples will have these outlawed by next year along with everything else that makes firearm ownership enjoyable.

    • Mabey

      At least you guys can get AR’ss and AK’s and 10-22′s i could go on but your gun laws are lax compared to us in the gerate white north. Thou we can get the Trevor.

  • nobody

    Why the hell would they have the optic rail that high? You can get rails for aks that allow some red dot sights (mini/micro ones and low mounted full size ones like aimpoints and vortex strikefires) to cowitness with the normal iron sights, and for cheaper than this ridiculous thing will probably go for too.

  • mechamaster

    Duh ! This rifle surely not muzzle accessories-friendly.

  • West

    I suppose the longer barrel will make for a more accurate rifle (?) but wouldnt that negate the need for 99% of the stuff you would mount on a rail (aim point, laser, flashlight) since most of it is for short range?

    • Noodles

      Why do people still think barrel length has anything to do with accuracy? It very much does not, opposite effect really as longer barrels undergo more harmonic whip and variation than shorter stiffer barrels.

      Seeing as the AK / Vepr isn’t free floated and this rail certainly doesn’t help that regardless of all the things you won’t put on this gun anyhow (lights, lasers, grips, etc)

      • W

        barrel length has some affect on accuracy, though not all of it. you are correct with the effect of harmonics from longer barrels, though shorter barrels are infamous for their inferior accuracy because the bullet doesnt attain the most optimal velocity when leaving the barrel. Of course, this has been well known since the dawn of the age of gunpowder.

        Example? The performance differences of the M855 5.56mm cartridge from a M4 and a M16.

        Now for a shotgun…that is a entirely different subject.

      • Noodles

        W, right because I mentioned a static environment where if you have ability to change length you don’t have the ability to dictate twist and bullet selection right? I said nothing about rate of twist, barrel steel, cut type, bullet selection.

        Taking a proper selected barrel (that is at least the proper factor of stability) at 10″ and a proper barrel at 30″ there is no way to say the 30″ will be more accurate. It’s less likely given real world examples where shorter barrels are of stiffer profiles. I have a 12.5″ AR that will shoot sub-MOA all day with 69gr ammo, it’s a factory DD CHF barrel, so naturally a 24″ DPMS should be able to do the same because it’s twice as long right?

        Longer barrels do not ever explicitly mean more accurate. Anyone that believes otherwise should ask all their firearm advice from their local gun store.

      • Denny

        Actually, in most cases the gun with longer barrel tends to lend the weapon more accuracy, this is know from early times of hunters and trappers. In this case and as you point out, the barrel is connected to rail which may either augment stiffness or cause interference or just alter vibration pattern; hard to tell from just looking at picture. But, is accuracy per see an issue with shotgun?

      • Esh325

        I’m not an expert, but the longer barrel gives the bullet more velocity which allows it to cover more distance. At shorter distances, perhaps the shorter barrel might be more inherently accurate, but at farther distances, the longer barrel will make it easier to hit things. There is a reason why the vast majority of military bolt action snipers in .308 or .338 Lapua don’t use a 16 inch barrel.

      • W

        “W, right because I mentioned a static environment where if you have ability to change length you don’t have the ability to dictate twist and bullet selection right? I said nothing about rate of twist, barrel steel, cut type, bullet selection.”

        You originally implied that barrel length “very much does not” have anything to do with accuracy, and that is simply not true and is a rather shortsighted blanket statement given the astronomical quantities of variables on the table. It is still not true when you equate different barrel manufacturing methods and the plethora of ammunition available. If this was true, then precision rifles (not CQB or “niche” specific ones) would be using 10-12″ barrels on their rifles instead of 20″. They dont.

        “Taking a proper selected barrel (that is at least the proper factor of stability) at 10″ and a proper barrel at 30″ there is no way to say the 30″ will be more accurate.”

        There’s no guarantee for anything, though, generally the 30″ rifle barrel WILL be more accurate, especially in the case of customized rifles that may fire unique cartridges. Case in point: A 30″ Douglas barrel.

        Comparing to a 10″ barrel provides a obvious answer: The 10″ will have inferior accuracy. This is well known and comparisons between the accuracy of a Mk18 (with a 10″ barrel) and M16 (with a 20″ barrel) are well known. If what you say is true, the military would unanimously select the 10″ barrel for ALL work, to include designated marksman rifles. Obviously it is not, which is why 20″ barrel weapons remain in use (which is true for sniper rifles too).

        “It’s less likely given real world examples where shorter barrels are of stiffer profiles. I have a 12.5″ AR that will shoot sub-MOA all day with 69gr ammo, it’s a factory DD CHF barrel, so naturally a 24″ DPMS should be able to do the same because it’s twice as long right?”

        Really? Sub-MOA? and how many rounds are you firing for your grouping? if you are properly grouping with ten rounds (not three), then sub-MOA with a SBR is very unlikely. Hell, even the SBR barrels from Noveske and H&K are barely capable of crossing MOA and sub-MOA accuracy in my experience, and those are the finest fighting barrels available.

        You are making a improper comparison anyways. Compare that with a 18″ barrel (the longest DD makes) and it will have superior accuracy. The same goes for Noveske barrels or any other manufacturer. Will a 24″ DPMS barrel be more accurate? Yes. I can guarantee that a 24″ stainless bull barrel in 1/9 twist be hideously accurate; certainly more so than a 12.5″ CHF barrel.

        “Longer barrels do not ever explicitly mean more accurate. Anyone that believes otherwise should ask all their firearm advice from their local gun store.”

        Like I have said before, “barrel length has some affect on accuracy, though not all of it.”

        That seems reasonable, no?

      • Esh325

        You pretty much summed it up there W. And if he wants to deny it, he can go to Colt’s website where they list the effective range of a M16A4 and M4 as higher than any of their 10 inch barreled models.

      • Noodles

        Yea, I’m not going to try and convince anyone that thinks A 30″ Douglas barrel is a great barrel. We haven’t mentioned chambers or reaming, rifling methods, chrome or nitrocarborizing, twist, or bullets… barrel length does not effect explicit accuracy but I wish I could stuff my head in the sand and suppose it does.

        You could say something like a 30″ barrel will impart more velocity and a 1000yard hit will be easier as the bullet will still be traveling at it’s fastest possible speed at that range. As where a 20″ barrel will not have the same speed making wind effects more noticeable and more likely the bullet has dropped from super to trans to subsonic. Ending with, I’ve been more accurate with longer barrels at longer ranges.

        But that is not the same thing as longer barrels == more accurate, because that is not a true statement. It’s like saying cars with turbo charged engines are just faster than natural displacement powered cars, sometimes that might be true, but it’s certainly not a rule. There are millions more variables to engines and barrels. Like I said though, no convincing someone with such impressive experience that they insist Douglas is creame of the crop :\

        I usually agree with you W, but you are flat out wrong on this.
        Google “565 yard 12.5″ SBR Shooting *Update 1/06*” and the m4carbine threads where guys are getting great accuracy out of their SBRs.

      • W

        “Yea, I’m not going to try and convince anyone that thinks A 30″ Douglas barrel is a great barrel. We haven’t mentioned chambers or reaming, rifling methods, chrome or nitrocarborizing, twist, or bullets… barrel length does not effect explicit accuracy but I wish I could stuff my head in the sand and suppose it does.”

        Jesus christ, you act like i said that it affects accuracy 100%. It doesn’t. Nowhere did I imply that it does. If you don’t like Douglas (which was a general example), then there are plenty of others with long barrels such as Lothar Walther.

        “You could say something like a 30″ barrel will impart more velocity and a 1000yard hit will be easier as the bullet will still be traveling at it’s fastest possible speed at that range. As where a 20″ barrel will not have the same speed making wind effects more noticeable and more likely the bullet has dropped from super to trans to subsonic. Ending with, I’ve been more accurate with longer barrels at longer ranges.”

        No I could not say something like that because it is a non sequitur and irrelevant (especially with the emphasis on the mysterious 30″ barrels). Im talking about a SBR vs a carbine or full size length barrel; there are accuracy and maximum effective range differences.

        Of course it is not saying “longer equals more accurate”, but it refers back to my previous post, which was, “barrel length has some affect on accuracy, though not all of it”. Re-read that several times to understand it.

        “But that is not the same thing as longer barrels == more accurate, because that is not a true statement.”

        Right. Because I NEVER said “longer barrels = more accurate.

        “Like I said though, no convincing someone with such impressive experience that they insist Douglas is creame of the crop :\”

        Again, drawing to wrong conclusions with a hint of a ad hominem. You want a better example of a “long” barrel? Lothar Walther, Lilja, Kreiger, Noveske. What the f–k is so bad about Douglas? (which I NEVER implied as “creme of the crop”)

        “I usually agree with you W, but you are flat out wrong on this.”

        Because of this statement: “”barrel length has some affect on accuracy, though not all of it”?

        I think somebody has some reading comprehension problems.

        “Google “565 yard 12.5″ SBR Shooting *Update 1/06*” and the m4carbine threads where guys are getting great accuracy out of their SBRs.”

        I really could care less about what some guys from the internet post on M4carbine.com or whatever. You obviously have never seen the accuracy from a 18″ Noveske or Larue either, which define the term “accuracy” for the AR15 platform. There is no doubt that those are accurate weapons…for SBRs. For example, the HK 416 is astonishingly accurate.

        Comparing a free float CHF 12″ barrel versus a run of the mill, standard 20″ barrel is a faulty comparison to begin with. Compare them apples to apples.

  • Graham 1

    Is it just me or does this handguard seem a little… excessive?

  • Ryan

    Does anyone else find his grip painful to look at?

    • Riot

      I have the distinct feeling that if he pulled the trigger he’d dislocate the opposite finger

    • Darkness

      Looks like he’s shooting pool

  • apache

    Not talking politics but only guns, be advised Guns and politics are the same thing in this new day.
    I guess we can always talk about the weather, after the rules change. And guns are banned, I hear there is a U.N. mandate coming and it’s going to take the guns out of the hands of free citizens.
    I’ve heard talk of banning every website that features weapons of any kind. The NRA is being labeled a racist organization and is being considered for oblivion.
    What will we talk about and show pictures and videos of when what we cannot see or discuss is made illegal?
    Bury them, turn them in or destroy them yourselves the gun enthusiast time is drawing to a close in the United States, it’s not my fault I paid attention and stood up for my gun ownership rights.

    Heck you could always start a Poodle blog.

    • apache

      No I don’t care if you thumb me down or ban me.
      C’Ya

      • Mike Knox

        How about the admin deleting your post? Everyone’s happier with that, except you though..

  • Sardaukar

    The new company slogan will be
    “ATI: more rails than your average train station.”

    • Anonymoose

      There’s nothing wrong with rails if you have a reasonable amount of accessories and/or covers for them. An optic or two, a flashlight, a laser (or two if you’re using a rangefinding system), a foregrip or underbarrel weapon system (GL, shotgun, non-lethal, or civi flare launcher, etc.), and possibly a brasscatcher are all reasonable accessories to have on one gun all at the same time. Of course, there’s no reason to have anything you don’t plan on using, but there’s always the off-chance that you might have to use it- in which case a scope, laser rangefinder, etc. could be extremely beneficial to the mission, or increase your performance at a match (although I don’t really support the use of raceguns for competition shooting since it changes the sport from being about practicality and actual shooting skills to being about how much fancy gear and custom gunsmithing you can afford).

  • Denny

    This may be little in excess what is expected from tactical shotgun; well a matter of opinion I guess. But, I must say, after reading and looking at video in previous article, that Molot has done tremendeous amount of work in upgrade of AK system. The top cover with interrated rail is one such example. If Molot can make it why not Izmash?

    • Anonymoose

      Because Izhmash is bankrupt…I’m not sure of Molot’s financial situation though, or KBP’s or TOZ’s, but I’m pretty sure almost all the Russian defense companies except maybe UAC (but only because they build extremely popular commercial airliners and because of the PAK FA program) are in truly terrible financial shape… :(

    • Máté

      Doesn’t the AK-12 have that?

  • Lance

    Looks like a tacti cool upgrade for your Veper.

  • Cymond

    Don’t the VEPRs all use single-stack mags?

    • Komrad

      Factory mags are all 10 rounds or less (over here anyway), but they can accept larger mags if you install a bullet guide, just like a Saiga.

  • Tony

    A bit overdone for my taste

  • Burst

    I’ll take the devil’s advocacy. It’s nice to see a company not halfass it and Actually make things look good. Impractical, heavy accessories like this make shooting fun- and probably help with recoil as well.

    Let’s not even get into the amazing feat which is making the AK more butch.
    Add a drum and a folding bipod, and it’d be a real sexy beast.

    • Anonymoose

      Well, the Vepr is based on the RPK, so a drum and a folding bipod would kind of bring it back to its roots. :D

  • Mike Knox

    Now this is getting ridiculous..