Vasectomies For Guns (No, this is not link-bait)

How much do you love your guns? Enough to put your gonads under the knife? In India, local government officials are offering to fast-track hard to get gun licenses in exchange for men agreeing to vasectomies. The LA Times reports ...

As gun culture spreads, local governments have offered to fast-track firearms licenses if men have vasectomies. Families include firearms in dowries. And authorities have discouraged celebratory gunfire at weddings after several accidents, including the recent death of a bridegroom when his uncle's revelry shots went terribly wrong.

A homemade pistol. Legitimate gun licenses are hard to come by so many Indians resort to the blackmarket.

The Indian government has a monopoly on the manufacture of firearms. The government produces guns that are expensive, low quality and based on antiquated designs. An example is this .32 revolver based on the old Webly break-open revolver design. The government sells it for over $1300 USD, almost as much as India's nominal GDP per capita.

[ Many thanks to DJ for emailing us the link. ]

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  1. abprosperwrote on February 27th, 2012 at 11:23 am Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    Sterility in exchange for a gun license, granted or no is a bad idea. It smacks of some kind of perverse Indian eugenic experiment in weeding out people who aren’t “compliant”

    Of course if you’ve already had a pack of kids (say 6 or more) it might be OK.

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  2. Michaelwrote on February 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    Can we import the Webley , PLEASE

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    • Mangresponded to Michael on February 25th, 2012 at 7:43 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

      For $1300US you could get a very nice WWII surplus Webley! Or several .38 top-break Enfields.

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      • Mangresponded to Mang on February 25th, 2012 at 7:51 pm Link To Comment |

        Like a whole *sack* of top-break Brit revolvers ;)

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      • Michaelresponded to Mang on February 27th, 2012 at 7:08 am Link To Comment |

        I have several British made ones, but a new one would be cool. Now they can’t cost much to make, if they could find a US importer, say Charles Daley and sell them in the $250 range!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  3. noobwrote on February 24th, 2012 at 3:28 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    Looks like india is fast to give you the chop, but slow to issue a license under this deal…

    http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/south-asia/guns-for-vasectomy-deal-turns-sour

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  4. Chasewrote on February 24th, 2012 at 11:08 am Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    I wonder what other incentives the government offers for sterilization; this can’t be the only one. Indian population growth is way too high, and they know it. It is getting slower though.

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  5. Lancewrote on February 24th, 2012 at 8:34 am Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    I guess if you like a Webley that’s the way to go.

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  6. El Duderinowrote on February 24th, 2012 at 4:03 am Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    That’s about the nicest homemade pistol I’ve ever seen, kind of a Beretta 1934 copy. Much nicer looking than most of the Pakistani homebrewed guns. Although I did like one I saw a picture of, an AK-type in .303 that used Bren mags.

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  7. Westwrote on February 24th, 2012 at 2:21 am Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    Ive got an old compound bow I never use.
    What can I get for that??
    Maybe I can get my balls ironed to take the wrinkles out.

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  8. Alex-macwrote on February 23rd, 2012 at 9:15 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    With these numbers, it’s not difficult to understand why a gun is part of a dowry. The average income of an Indian is $1219 dollars a year, for a person in the U.S $32 000 a year. So a person in the U.S earns 26 times more than a person in India. When you compare gun prices, that means a $20 u.s dollar pipe gun in India would cost in the U.S $520 dollars. Single shot pistols that cost $60 to $100 dollars in India, would cost in the U.S between $1560 and $2600.
    Even a pipe gun or single shot would be enough to deter a home invasion. So it makes sense that such low firepower pistols would nonetheless be highly valued for a family.

    Anyone in the U.S would think twice and probably choose to make his own illegal pistol if his choice was a shoddy $32 000 Webley Mark IV revolver in .32 acp. At these prices it’s clear that the government run firearm makers, are just a government scam for the super rich.

    A better option for the super rich in India would be to just pay a skilled metal worker, or just someone who’s smart, a small fortune to make you a high capacity magazine fed pistol/submachine gun. This will be your ‘backup’ gun after you’ve used up your underpowered 6 shot revolver. You can also have the same gun made in the U.S for a small price and take some tactical shooting classes with it.

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    • FARCRY666responded to Alex-mac on February 25th, 2012 at 3:56 am Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

      THE THING IS THAT THIS IS BLACK MAIL BUT YOU SAID THAT A U.S. PPL MAKE 26X WHAT PPL INDIA DO AND THINGS IN THE US COST ABOUT 26X AS IN INDIA BUT REALLY ITS JUST A COUNTRYS CULTURE I MEAN IN TAXAS YOU CAN WALK INTO A CVS AND COME OUT WITH A 12 GAUGE AND THAT IS BECAUSE THIS COUNTRY LOVE GUNS BECAUS THEY HELPED ESTABLISH
      THIS NATION

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      • fw226responded to FARCRY666 on February 25th, 2012 at 2:11 pm Link To Comment |

        Dear lord.

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      • Mgregg85@gmail.comresponded to FARCRY666 on February 26th, 2012 at 3:10 am Link To Comment |

        I LOVE WHEN PEOPLE TYPE IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS!!!‽‽

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  9. Mangwrote on February 23rd, 2012 at 8:19 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    The word “problematic” applies to this pretty well.

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    • Mangresponded to Mang on February 23rd, 2012 at 8:38 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

      Or maybe not? If you were thinking of having a vasectomy anyway… The guns are supposed to be so awful, though.

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  10. tefowrote on February 23rd, 2012 at 8:10 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    i do want a new production webley though

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  11. bima86wrote on February 23rd, 2012 at 7:18 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    hmmm.. at least the government is doing something about its birth control issues in the country.

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    • Mercresponded to bima86 on February 23rd, 2012 at 11:24 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

      Guns and vasectomies will just about curb that population. Harsh, but some practical thinking there.

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    • charles222responded to bima86 on February 24th, 2012 at 12:39 am Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

      Exactly what I was thinking. I tend to think the US population is about the upper limit for a large population that isn’t mostly living in grinding poverty.

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      • abprosperresponded to charles222 on February 27th, 2012 at 2:02 pm Link To Comment |

        The US doesn’t have as abject poverty as the 3rd world does but we have a lot of poor people and a lot of food insecurity (i.e people going occasionally hungry not be choice) — so we are probably above our capacity as well …

        Reason, solutions all that however are off topic. As for the topic at hand, I’d like a .38 special new Webley myself. This would be a dandy self defense revolver, light, quick to shoot and easy to reload

        Now .357 makes me nervous in a break top (and I do know about the Russian one) but a break top gun with modern metallurgy can almost certainly handle 20,000 PSI without too much difficulty as this is only about 20% more than .38 S&W.

        A throughly modern .45 auto-rim/ACP or better .45 Colt Webley would be nice too but people habitually overload those rounds so its a bad idea.

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  1. tefowrote on February 23rd, 2012 at 8:10 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    i do want a new production webley though

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  2. El Duderinowrote on February 24th, 2012 at 4:03 am Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    That’s about the nicest homemade pistol I’ve ever seen, kind of a Beretta 1934 copy. Much nicer looking than most of the Pakistani homebrewed guns. Although I did like one I saw a picture of, an AK-type in .303 that used Bren mags.

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  3. bima86wrote on February 23rd, 2012 at 7:18 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    hmmm.. at least the government is doing something about its birth control issues in the country.

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    • Mercresponded to bima86 on February 23rd, 2012 at 11:24 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

      Guns and vasectomies will just about curb that population. Harsh, but some practical thinking there.

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    • charles222responded to bima86 on February 24th, 2012 at 12:39 am Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

      Exactly what I was thinking. I tend to think the US population is about the upper limit for a large population that isn’t mostly living in grinding poverty.

      Please rate this comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0
      • abprosperresponded to charles222 on February 27th, 2012 at 2:02 pm Link To Comment |

        The US doesn’t have as abject poverty as the 3rd world does but we have a lot of poor people and a lot of food insecurity (i.e people going occasionally hungry not be choice) — so we are probably above our capacity as well …

        Reason, solutions all that however are off topic. As for the topic at hand, I’d like a .38 special new Webley myself. This would be a dandy self defense revolver, light, quick to shoot and easy to reload

        Now .357 makes me nervous in a break top (and I do know about the Russian one) but a break top gun with modern metallurgy can almost certainly handle 20,000 PSI without too much difficulty as this is only about 20% more than .38 S&W.

        A throughly modern .45 auto-rim/ACP or better .45 Colt Webley would be nice too but people habitually overload those rounds so its a bad idea.

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  4. Alex-macwrote on February 23rd, 2012 at 9:15 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    With these numbers, it’s not difficult to understand why a gun is part of a dowry. The average income of an Indian is $1219 dollars a year, for a person in the U.S $32 000 a year. So a person in the U.S earns 26 times more than a person in India. When you compare gun prices, that means a $20 u.s dollar pipe gun in India would cost in the U.S $520 dollars. Single shot pistols that cost $60 to $100 dollars in India, would cost in the U.S between $1560 and $2600.
    Even a pipe gun or single shot would be enough to deter a home invasion. So it makes sense that such low firepower pistols would nonetheless be highly valued for a family.

    Anyone in the U.S would think twice and probably choose to make his own illegal pistol if his choice was a shoddy $32 000 Webley Mark IV revolver in .32 acp. At these prices it’s clear that the government run firearm makers, are just a government scam for the super rich.

    A better option for the super rich in India would be to just pay a skilled metal worker, or just someone who’s smart, a small fortune to make you a high capacity magazine fed pistol/submachine gun. This will be your ‘backup’ gun after you’ve used up your underpowered 6 shot revolver. You can also have the same gun made in the U.S for a small price and take some tactical shooting classes with it.

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    • FARCRY666responded to Alex-mac on February 25th, 2012 at 3:56 am Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

      THE THING IS THAT THIS IS BLACK MAIL BUT YOU SAID THAT A U.S. PPL MAKE 26X WHAT PPL INDIA DO AND THINGS IN THE US COST ABOUT 26X AS IN INDIA BUT REALLY ITS JUST A COUNTRYS CULTURE I MEAN IN TAXAS YOU CAN WALK INTO A CVS AND COME OUT WITH A 12 GAUGE AND THAT IS BECAUSE THIS COUNTRY LOVE GUNS BECAUS THEY HELPED ESTABLISH
      THIS NATION

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      • fw226responded to FARCRY666 on February 25th, 2012 at 2:11 pm Link To Comment |

        Dear lord.

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      • Mgregg85@gmail.comresponded to FARCRY666 on February 26th, 2012 at 3:10 am Link To Comment |

        I LOVE WHEN PEOPLE TYPE IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS!!!‽‽

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  5. Mangwrote on February 23rd, 2012 at 8:19 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    The word “problematic” applies to this pretty well.

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    • Mangresponded to Mang on February 23rd, 2012 at 8:38 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

      Or maybe not? If you were thinking of having a vasectomy anyway… The guns are supposed to be so awful, though.

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  6. Lancewrote on February 24th, 2012 at 8:34 am Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    I guess if you like a Webley that’s the way to go.

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  7. noobwrote on February 24th, 2012 at 3:28 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    Looks like india is fast to give you the chop, but slow to issue a license under this deal…

    http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/south-asia/guns-for-vasectomy-deal-turns-sour

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  8. abprosperwrote on February 27th, 2012 at 11:23 am Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    Sterility in exchange for a gun license, granted or no is a bad idea. It smacks of some kind of perverse Indian eugenic experiment in weeding out people who aren’t “compliant”

    Of course if you’ve already had a pack of kids (say 6 or more) it might be OK.

    Please rate this comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1
  9. Chasewrote on February 24th, 2012 at 11:08 am Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    I wonder what other incentives the government offers for sterilization; this can’t be the only one. Indian population growth is way too high, and they know it. It is getting slower though.

    Please rate this comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0
  10. Westwrote on February 24th, 2012 at 2:21 am Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    Ive got an old compound bow I never use.
    What can I get for that??
    Maybe I can get my balls ironed to take the wrinkles out.

    Please rate this comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 2
  11. Michaelwrote on February 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

    Can we import the Webley , PLEASE

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    • Mangresponded to Michael on February 25th, 2012 at 7:43 pm Link To Comment | Reply To Comment

      For $1300US you could get a very nice WWII surplus Webley! Or several .38 top-break Enfields.

      Please rate this comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0
      • Mangresponded to Mang on February 25th, 2012 at 7:51 pm Link To Comment |

        Like a whole *sack* of top-break Brit revolvers ;)

        Please rate this comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0
      • Michaelresponded to Mang on February 27th, 2012 at 7:08 am Link To Comment |

        I have several British made ones, but a new one would be cool. Now they can’t cost much to make, if they could find a US importer, say Charles Daley and sell them in the $250 range!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Please rate this comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

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