S&W Governor .410 / .45 Shotgun Revolver

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S&W has introduced a .410 chambered revolver with a light scandium frame called “The Governor” (urrgghhh … a governor is more important than a judge, right?) . The Taurus Judge has been selling so well I am surprised it took so long for another company to copy the concept.

Unlike the Judge, it can take .45 ACP in addition to the .45 Long Colt and .410.

It comes in a laser (crimson trace) and non-laser version. The MSRP is $679 for the non-laser model

It comes with 2-round and 6-round moon clips.

Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


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  • jdun1911

    Taurus Judge did copy the Thunder Five. I’m not sure what revolver Thunder Five copy from if any. The first time I saw the Thunder Five was in the movie Three Kings. I had a chance to buy it a gun show way back but turn it down.

  • KBCraig

    Taurus had a huge marketing win for something that is a total concept failure.

    I’d expect another Brazilian company to copy them before a name brand like S&W did.

  • Bill Lester

    KBCraig,

    “Total concept failure?” Have you ever shot a Judge or are you formulating an opinion based on what someone else has told you?

    As for this new S&W, I like that they decided to go with .45 ACP and moon clips instead of .45 Colt. Not that there’s anything wrong with the older cartridge but for a home defense handgun the ACP with moons makes more sense.

  • Tyson Chandler

    It is ironic that after years of Taurus copying S&W revolver designs, that the dynamic has switched. All I can say is that S&W had better be prepared to compete on price because I don’t see any real advantage that this gun offers over the Judge.

  • DaveR

    As if I need more encouragement to buy only vintage S&W’s

  • SpudGun

    A .410 shot shell in a lightweight scandium frame, that sounds like it will be fun to shoot. :(

    Not much to add except that I wholeheartedly echo KBCraig’s earlier post.

  • John C

    So its a .45 ACP, not long colt? Thats a good idea.

  • Tux

    Even though I like that more revolvers are being chambered with the capability of firing rimless cartridges, a .45 acp is going to sit back a full 8mm more than a long colt in that thing’s chamber. I’m interested to see accuracy tests.

  • SKIPSUL

    Wait, where is the picatinny rail so I can mount my bayonet? What about my green laser dot? Or my strobe? Or my ninja star launchers?

  • Meltron

    So does it take .45 ACP?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Steve (The Firearm Blog)

      Meltron, yes. Page update.

      • nick

        Will someone comment on the fact that a S&W Gov. .410 round won’t end up in your neighbors’ home.

  • http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com John Richardson

    If it is sold in California will it be renamed the Governator?

  • Derek

    Before you consider purchasing either of these guns, you had better google pro arms podcast taurus judge and listen to the podcast. Waste of money.

  • jay1975

    I wonder how many of the people that bag on the Judge will faint and fawn over the S & W? Now, thanks to the PDX1 and the Federal 0000 buck, there are some pretty decent home defense rounds that avoid over penetration that have gotten me to think about picking up one of combo beasts.

  • w00d

    John, this gun will never be sold in California, because it meets the state’s definition of a short barreled shotgun, as does the Judge before it.

  • Allen

    Smith and Wesson, what are you doing??? A ballistically flawed and gimmick-designed ‘johnnie come lately shot shell pistol’??? A .410 pistol is useless unless firing at point-blank range. I’ve owned a .410 pistol and after shooting it with shot shells immediatly sold it. It is the only firearm I have ever shot, in a safe manner, that has repeatedly ricocheted back at me( that inludes .22 short and cheap pellet guns). Owners of shot shell pistols need to be more concerned more with UNDERpenetration rather than it’s counter part. I would have expected this from a less classy firearms manufacturer, but certainly not S&W. Maybe this world is close to ending, possibly the Zombies are enroute….that would be the only viable explanation for such a worthless firearm.

  • john

    About time they jumped in, I wanted one that would take the .45 acp and moon clips. The .410 and .45LC is a plus too. Been carrying S&W as a primary, So I’m no stranger to the brand.

  • Shooter

    Scandium revolvers from Smith never shoot to point of aim. Normally inches high or inches low. I would never own them again.

  • Michael Frangoudakis

    The gun handles 45 Colt as well as the 45acp and 410.

  • Bill Lester

    Allen,

    Have you shot the defensive loads specifically designed for a revolver, the Winchester PDX1 and Federal 000 Buck 4-pellet shells? They are a far cry from unplated shot or soft Foster-style slugs. Used at typical home defense shooting distances, these loads essentially duplicate 3-4 hits from .32 ACP FMJ with each press of the trigger. Not exactly a .357 Magnum or 10mm Auto shot-for-shot but nothing to be sneezed at either. The possibility of fifteen to twenty .30 caliber wounds for five trigger strokes isn’t anything to be taken likely. I think these guns and loads could provide a good level of protection under 20 feet. They’re probably best suited for someone who can’t/doesn’t take the time to do a lot of practice with a conventional handgun.

  • jay1975

    Bill Lester, you are correct about the ability of the tailored ammunition, but I have found that no ammount of practice can truly prepare one for a real life or death confrontation. No one can predict how they will react under fire. I have seen troops that you would have thought would be the first to run from a fight charge right in while others who seemed to be the go to guys froze up. That being said, it is never a bad idea to have a weapon on hand that can spread the love around in case you do not perform as well under fire as you do at the range.

  • Allen

    @ Bill lester
    After taking a face full of shot ricocheting back at me from a mere 5 yards away, I didn’t really feel like testing different loads/types until I found one that would work. I’m not trying to be a smart ass, but the dangers of these shot shell pistols are angering. My Taurus was STAMPED .45 Colt or .410. Nothing else, as far as warnings or ‘do not tries’ in the paper work or on the pistol. So I assumed the firearm would SAFELY shoot ALL corresponding commercially available ammunition in a safe and functioning manner. Now I understand that there is a velocity loss with a shot shell through such a short barrel. I know that the rifling will sling the shot everywhere….but jesus christ in a sidecar this thing is a liability.

    The average person will by one of these, buy a couple boxes of cheap .410 shot to ‘practice’ with, and a box or two of buckshot or slugs for ‘protection’. Then they will go to the backyard/range/woods and start blasting away, possibly with no eye protection. I wonder if the amount of lawsuites will surpass the amount of people who lose their eyesight? Again, I just don’t understand the concept of a firearm chambered for a specific round that is actually unsafe to shoot through that particular firearm. It’s bullshit is what it is. Even the diminutive Sig mosquito comes with two recoil springs and an indepth explanation of how the pistol is ammo specific (mini mags I beleive), and if you want to run stingers you need to change recoil springs. I’ve always cringed at the cliche’ “don’t defend yourself with THAT if you shoot an assailant with THAT it will only piss em’ off ” Well I’ve FINALLY found a firearm where that cliche’ clearly rings true.

    Scam is what it is. Like someone posted earlier, the only thing sucessfull with the Judge was the marketing strategy.

    • Steve

      I agree. I had an AD with a 1911. They are all unsafe and stupid guns. I assumed since the manual said .45 ACP is OK for the gun, it would be safe. Come to think of it my stupid shotgun is dangerous when shooting bird shoot at hard surfaces at close range. They need more warning labels on those guns.

  • jay1975

    Allen, what were you shooting at when you had the ricochet? Was it metal or a dense wood? As bird shot has little to no penetration value for anything harder than a quail, I am guessing that it was your choice of target that caused the ricochet and not the weapon. The Judge has been available for a few years now and I have heard of no lawsuits or loss of eyesight. Sometimes it’s not the tool, but the operator that is the problem. I am not trying to be a d!ck, but blaming a gun for what, on the surface, seems to be a user malfunction is uncalled for. Do you think the shot would have ricocheted back from a Mossberg shotgun firing the same ammo? How about an MRI .45LC/.410 revolver, or even the .45/.410 Derringer? Don’t blame the weapon.

  • Bill Lester

    Allen,

    Like jay1975, I too wonder at what you were shooting to experience such a ricochet problem. My experience shooting a Judge is limited but it did encompass the same traditional shells with soft shot and slugs you used. I fired at ranges of around 10-25 feet and experienced no ricochets at all. Targets included 2l pop bottles sitting on the ground and human silhouette targets stapled to drywall stands.

    Plenty of Judge owners have used their guns on snakes – close shots fired at acute, downward angles. Yours is the only report of ricochet. Don’t you think if it was a general problem it wouldn’t be all over the ‘net?

    As jay1975 noted, if shot was such a hazard I doubt these guns would still be sold for fear of product liability suits. The same would go for shotguns sold as home defense weapons. We all know a 12 or 20 ga. shell carries a great deal more shot than the little .410. Wouldn’t they be even greater threat to shooter safety than a Judge or Governor? Honestly I think your bad experience has a lot more to do with where/what you shot than the .410 revolver.

  • jay1975

    Update: Today I was out shooting with my co-workers and one had a Judge Public Defender and the other had a Circuit Judge. We fired .45 Colt, Federal 000 buck with four buck shots, PDX1 and #6 and #9 bird shot. The only issue we had was with the Hornady Leverevolution in the Circuit Judge. The lip at the base of the casing was too thick and interfered with the operation of the cylinder. The ammo did work fine in the Public Defender because the gap between the cylinder and the frame was slightly larger. We fired the bird shot from distances ranging from 5 yards to 25 yards at hard packed, military E-type, cardboard targets and there was never an instance of ricochets coming back at us. In my opinion (regarding the Public Defender), the Federal “0000 Buck” was the better load. The PDX1 had more kick and the disc’s were dead on out to 30 feet (pattern opened up to only about 3 inches) and the BB’s spread out to 2 feet at that distance while the 0000 buck spread out to 4 inches at 30 feet as well, but without the flyers that the BB’s randomly produced. For fun, I pulled a couple of head shots at the 10 yard line with the 0000 buck and all but one of the buck hit the head.

  • http://campusbikeandfly.com brett

    I’ve owned a Judge for the last couple of years. It is a lot of fun to shoot but that was not always the case. I will never buy a Taurus handgun again. Out of the box, The gun was 10 inches high and 4 inches left at a distance of 10 feet. {NO, NOT JOKING!!!!} after finally finding a hit on paper [box and a half later…] I found that the cylinder did not line up correctly. The indexing was way off. I sent it back and 25 phone calls as well as 3 months later I had it back.. Now at 45 yards I am hitting 1 liter soda bottles with slugs in the 2 1/2 inch load. This first problem may be forgiven but it hapened again with another Taurus handgun. My fater last fall bought a .22 revolver from them and in the first 2 shots took off the tip of his finger. I immediately found that it had a similar problem as my last gun. The indexing was off. We immedialy took it back to Cabellas for a complete refund. They were not happy with having to buy it back but they admitted that they have been seeing problems. With today’s machining capabilities, this kind of problem is not excusable!! I’ll stick with S&W any day.

  • amram

    “I have seen troops that you would have thought would be the first to run from a fight charge right in while others who seemed to be the go to guys froze up.” — and I’ve seen the mirror image of that phenomena — big strong guys freeze and curl up when taking fire! What an eye-opener that was. Yo just can never tell.

  • jay1975

    amram, it is because of the uncertainty of reaction (unfortunately, I learned what my reaction was and I am proud to say that I did run into the fight) that weapons such as the Governor and the Judge can be quite useful for home defense. A spread of slow buck or disc’s has a better cahnce of hitting the target as opposed to a single wildly fired round. As I like to think of it, with the Governor, loaded with 6 Federal 000 buck with four buck shot each, it is the equivalent of having 4 loaded .36 cal black powder revolvers in one weapon. 24 buck shot is not a bad option for this “hand cannon” for a late night encounter where you are groggy, perhaps you don’t have your galsses on, want to avoid over penetration while still being able to stop the threat.

  • Brian in CA

    I like the idea of a 45 ACP revolver, but am not too concerned with the shotshell/Taurus junk. I might look into the M&P revolver that is 45LC and 45 ACP.

  • http://thisone john radney

    What is the wt of this piece?

  • Hicusdicus

    Steve, why don’t you upgrade this forum to diqus or something with edit , like and reply buttons? It would make it a lot more interesting and one could change their botched and misspelled comments. Its confusing to tell who is talking to whom.

  • joe jennings

    Been reading these comments about the judge. Sounds like some of you need to shoot the gun first instead of your mouth. Yes, taurus did have trouble with the indexing on their judge but it was corrected by june 2009. If you are going to buy a used one check the code on it first to see when it was made. I have the codes and wiling to share with anyone.
    As far as the shooting of the taurus, the 6 1/2″ barrel gives the best pattern other than the new circuit judge. I can hit targets on the skeet field with no problem. Don’t hit them all, not that good yet, but practice practice.
    I patterned my circuit judge at the patterning board which is a 16 yard distance and it puts a 2 foot pattern bullseye. I do all of my reloading and I have found not all loads work good in the judge, even factory loads. Find a load and stick to it and you will enjoy shooting your judge as much as I do each week.

  • sgtdaniel

    Someone please elaborate on the difference between the .45 ACP vs. The .45 long colt. And what advantage it provides.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Steve (The Firearm Blog)

      sgtdaniel, they are different cartridges. The .45 ACP is designed for semi-auto pistols, while the .45 LC is a much older cartridge.

  • Hicusdicus

    If the governor is sold in California it will renamed the bean planter.

  • http://www.predatorwild.com Heath

    Has anyone seen one of these yet? Any reviews?

  • Joe

    I Just put a deposite on one of these Governor. The reason i decided to try one is because i wanted to add a six gun to my collection since i already have 3 pistol 1911 of course, no offens to our double action guys. Now my primary intent is to use this weapon as a open carry peice for hiking and a self defense sidearm for my crazy hog hunting ventures also it will be coming along with me on night fishing trips. Hearing the feedback its getting im having second thoughts. If any body has any helpful suggestions please advise.

    Thanks!

  • Hicusdicus

    What kind of feed back have you been getting?

  • StuartX

    It’s ridiculous that you think you must kill someone in a home invasion vs. wounding.

    How far down the road do you think a suffering deaf man blind from muzzle blast bleeding profusely will get? Most likely he would be lying on the floor screaming in pain. The face is a small target that moves quickly and the thorax would not be penetrated enough hit vitals. People need legs to run.

    Also, one single shot is for deer hunting with a scope. Are you good enough to land a well placed round in the dark? Get off your high horse and quit thinking that you are some kind of “crack shot”. Get to the range and practice a double tap. A couple of double taps with a .22 is better than one ACP. Get a Bobcat and practice at 15′. An ACP will hit at 100′ but that’s not defense, that’s hunting.

    ALWAYS have the attitude that your enemy is training harder than you.

    Now for snakes and ricochet. I live in the desert and a snake in the rocks feels safe and most likely won’t come out to bite unless you are molesting him. So much for the ricochet issue. A snake in a bush or in the middle of the trail is another issue and will defend themselves.

  • http://www.armspost.com Arms Post Jay

    One feature I didn’t see anyone point out is that the S&W Governor (six shot) carries an additional round compared to the Taurus Judge (five shot). The Governor is also half an inch shorter than the Public Defender Judge, Taurus’ more compact model. I will still stick with the Saiga 12 for home protection, but the Governor is an interesting gun.

  • http://www.armspost.com Arms Post Jay

    In reply to the original shotshell revolver, take your choice:
    1. LeMat Revolver patented in 1856
    2. Schoonover patented in 1931
    3. Manville patented in 1939
    4. or basically an one off copy of the George H. Freed patent of 1968

  • http://www.armspost.com Arms Post Jay

    I wasn’t sure if links were allowed, but if they are, here is a link of a few images comparing the size of the Governor and Judge:
    http://www.armspost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119

  • wadcutter

    I bought a Governor a couple of weeks ago and was very happy with the fit, finish, and performance of the revolver. With my standard .45 bullseye load of a 200 gr. cast lead bullet I was able to keep a 5 inch group at 25 yds. offhand. I tried the specialty loads of 3 disks and shot at 12 1/2 yds. and I would say that effective accurate defense would have to be half or less of that distance. I like the weight, balance and shootability of the weapon. I had borrowed a Taurus Judge from a friend earlier and was not impressed with construction or performance. The only time I shot it the fiber optic in the front sight went away and I had to purchase one from Taurus. The Smith is a much better weapon.

  • anthrsthrngnnt

    Where to start — dynamics have changed -yes – for the time being. Taurus has great designs – tons of choices – but–11 months for a repair — Yes, I waited 11 count them -11 months for a repair — The day I heard of the Governor, I ditched my TWO judges — one was the orig 3″ ss 2.5″ and the other was a early Public defender with a bobbed hammer, you were better off shooting da than taking a chance on blowing your foot off, when your thumb slipped off the worthless hammer. Overall nice guns – form and fit were nice — BUT NOT A SMITH. — S&W charges too much, but, look at the competition. COLT– used are your only real choice and the prices are really hard to stomach. Taurus — Take a model 686 4″ from each and compare. If you are interested in a gun that will shoot and protect you… anyway opions are like …… Just ordered a governor (BEEN 8+ months waiting..).. Will I regret my choices? Time will tell. All I can say is they are limited use guns that have made a niche market for themselves. Kudos for each. Buy what you can afford – buy what you like. JUst buy something!! Learn how to use it and protect your second ammendment rights! P.S. I have 9 S&W revolvers but, would not touch one of their autos with a ten foot pole! Buy American! or at least German:)

  • http://www.gunsumerreports.com Kevin

    You can see another review at the following link:
    http://gunsumerreports.com/review_smith_wesson_governor_p1.php

  • hicusdicus

    To anthrsthrngnnt, I don’t what the problem you had was. I sent 3 public defenders back for minor issues and had them back in two weeks. One only took eight days. My 5 PD have normal hammers but they are ultralights. They all shoot well after over 2000 rds.The two 3” chambered ones I have never had a problem with.

  • Rob

    Not that people really learn anything from blogging, its more to just get things off your chest or join in the pissing contest. A lot of people on this thread know what they are talking about while a good bunch really haven’t a clue, most likely regurgitating mutated information from another source. The govenor isn’t for hunting, unless for snakes or varmits. It’s a copy of the judge which was intented to stop the attack of car-jackings. It’s more reliable than judge (hence S&W to Taurus). Not the most plausible choice for a carry piece. A good home defense weapon, allowing enough time to get to a real gun (12 gauge, AR-15..etc). All in all its not a bad weapon, doesn’t have any malfunctions or horror stories associated with it like the Judge does.

  • hicusdicus

    Rob I have 7 judges and no horror stories. I have fired them thousands of times. I have been in gun fights at close range and I have been shot. You are in error on every comment you have made.

  • http://N.A. Dave Trainmore

    Can someone on this forum answer the $64 dollar Governor question for me? Does this new S&W Governor have a transfer bar safety under the hammer? If not, then it’s still only a five shot number. BTW, since it does show that it uses a removable barrel shroud, there must be a way to screw in another, longer, barrel. There is a critter called the BPM, made from a 460S&W cartridge conversion of a Walker Colt Dragoon. this uses a 460 S&W case, but the Walker Cylinder is too short for the factory ammo to fit. With a 140 gr. RB, or a short conical, it has some thump to spare. So, what if I did a replacement barrel for a Governor, and put Walker riflings into it? Good lands, but a really slow twist; too slow for 45 L.C.’s. With a really slow RB twist, I believe you would pick up the slack with the ubiquitous 410’s. Also, there are now brass 410 hulls that would use a slightly smaller ball, or a heel crimped number that would mimic the RB in stability. I looked and handled a raging Judge yesterday, and the store clerk said it wasn’t chambered in the 460 as Smith is keeping that one proprietary for now. But it’s so heavy that it would make a good war club, like the Walker Colt was. The scandium S&W with a deeper chamber and a longer black powder round ball barrel, would seem to me to kill two birds with one stone. The full length brass 410 hulls seem to be the answer in the short term, and they will fit into the Governor cylinder as is. I have an old Armi san Paolo SS Remmie, so I already have undersized molds for the .451 ball and the .450 hollow point conical. I’m thinking about a fluted barrel with a shoulder to fit into the existing S&W shroud that would look something like those Dan Wesson Alaskans from a few years back. An eight or nine inch barrel mod., would still fit into a Walker’s reformed belt holster, and it would double the energy of most of the 410 fodder. At ten feet, who cares if a 280 gr. TC maxi ball, or a 255 gr. Keith design, is properly stabilized. It certainly will be PERP-erly stabilized. Elmer Keith believed in the efficacy of a .45 round ball out of a C&B Colt, to stop any man. He called it, a great slap, as opposed to the rapier like penetration of a heavier round nosed bullet. The review I read mentioned using 777 replica black powder to get over 1300fps with the 140 gr. round balls, in those Walker BPM conversions. These balls would be pretty well flattened and spent by the time they went through a two by four stud, but in flesh they are wicked stoppers.

  • SgtHaynes

    As an avid hunter, both bowhunting and rifle, and self proclaimed gun-nut, I can say that this gun is unequivacally useful in a variety of situations. First, there’s the intimidation factor. It’s big, it’s ugly, and it’s scary. Second, living in an open-carry state, it’s not too shabby to have one of the beasts on your hip if you DO decide to open-carry. I prefer concealed but that’s another discussion altogether. It’s unquestionably useful for car-jacking prevention, and as a snake gun it’s without equal. I owned a Judge, but sold it when S&W introduced this model. S&W just makes a superior product, hands down. Hog hunting is tricky business with a bow and arrow, and the Governor is the perfect finishing touch on one of the ugly bastards that just won’t die. That being said, as a home defense weapon, it’s only as good as the shooter and situation allows. You have to have some semblance of wepon control and accuracy to even shoot a pump action shotty and be 100% effective, so care should always be taken while considering what firearm you are going to place your family’s lives in the “hands” of. There are always a lot of detractors to gimmicky guns, but the shotshell revolvers are going to be a staple in the gun market for years to come. THAT said, the one fault I see is that without a transfer bar, it’s really is still a 5 shot pistol. Without that added safety mechanism, NO revolver should be carried on a loaded chamber.

    • http://N.A. Dave Trainmore

      Thank you, Sgt. Haynes. You are the first reviewer that I have found who’s noted the ‘fly in the ointment’, of the Governor. I didn’t want to guess, but I did look at a Scandium Frame 357, S&W, that had a frame mounted firing pin. They do have a sliding shoe of sorts, that is supposed to block the hammer, but these high power firearms are too dangerous to carry with a round under the hammer in the field. S&W should be ashamed of itself to brag about having one more round than the Tauruses which do have true transfer bars. Every cowboy revolver fitted with a transfer bar does indeed pick up another round, in the field. I’m not that paranoid, as I carry a loaded AMT 45 DAO backup, with a round in the chamber. AMT offered to fit a hammer block, safety, but noted that it adds extra parts that can fail. So, I carry it, just as it came out of the box. There’s no proud hammer spur to catch on a rock in the ground. FWIW, I think S&W should have simply made this bad axx revolver into a hammerless, like the modern Model 40, without the lemon squeezer. You will only use it at close range against a bear in DAO, anyway! My AMT 45DAO, is a true six shooter, and using Cor-Bon 165 grain +P hollow points, equals the max firepower of this “Governor”. These go out at trans sonic velocities from my 3 inch long barrel. The gap in the Governor’s cylinder/barrel junction, will be offset by the longer cylinder. But I also notched a G.I. 45 mag., so I have a really quick reload in turn. So it goes 6 + 7, instead of five + six in the revolver. Note that even I would load six rounds for backup in that moon clip that they furnish. I’m a lefty, so the little weak side (left handed) police holster that I got with my backup, is fine for strong sided carry, in the woods. With practice it’s as quick as anything. Carrying ACP shot loads for a grouse dinner, or to rid the trail of a snake, works, as there is no magazine safety. It’s not a Governor, but sort of a secondary substitute, for the lighter Judges. That Raging Judge, though, will be the new “Walker”. The 454 Judge already is a serious war club, and my G.S. could re-chamber it to 460 S&W, for my private use. But if a 454 round won’t do it, why bother?? This Governor’s claim to fame may be that looking back, we are now seeing the first 2nd Gen. Judge, in it. We can play the Dan Wesson game and screw in longer barrels that catch the shroud, keeping the tritium front sight, and doubling the power of the bird shot combos. With really slow rifling, say for a round ball, like in the Walker BPM, it may take on a new life, or lives, loaded with five such rounds in a re-formed Walker, western style holster. So thanx again for the heads up on the firing pin.

    • Bob

      I’ve carried a variety of weapons for my 30 years in Fed. LE. I see absolutly no reason not to carry the max capacity on any weapon. A proper holster and proper training in most situations should negate any so called potential design problems. I carry my 1911 “cocked and locked” and I certainly load my Defender with all six. If you don’t know your training limitations try Pepper Spray since the worst that can happen is you temporaryly blind yourself.

  • Eric

    I have recently laid away a governor. Does anyone know if they can handle the cor-Bon +p loads? Would like to have them in it for back up in the woods

  • Joe

    The S&W Governor will not allow the hammer to advance the firing
    pin unless the trigger is pulled. I carry one under the hammer all the
    time. Don’t know the fancy words for the mechanism, but it works for
    me! As far as whether the weapon will take +P, send an email to the
    S&W people.
    [email protected]
    As for ricochets, never heard of a projectile doing a 180 degree turn.
    Must be a new type of bullet!?!? You are supposed to know what is
    around your target and shoot accordingly. Safety first prevails!
    Don’t plan on bear hunting with my weapon any time soon, just
    close in self defense.
    The Governor is a simple weapon meant for self defense, not elephant hunting. why make it complicated.

    • Dave Trainmore

      Dear Joe,
      Self Defense means different things in different places. My AMT 45DAO Backup is about as pure a self defense weapon as anything known. But it too has drawbacks. It was made so sloppy as to be completely reliable, for card table distances. Now you can’t let a wolf, or black bear, get up that close. Out here in the Idaho Panhandle, we are more likely to be accosted, head on, by the four legged predators.

      S&W has been taking way too many shortcuts, lately. Their sliding shoe safety was pretty good at holding a hammer mounted firing pin off of a primer, but these new Governors and their other Scandium framed revolvers, use frame mounted firing pins. So some detritus, can get in between the hammer and the firing pin, in an exposed holster. You won’t be bothered by this in an apartment or home defensive situation, but carrying one, out in the mountains, invites problems.

      The transfer bar system seems to be the way to go, and yet Freedom Arms, et al. don’t want you to carry a live round under the hammer. My AMT’s hammer has no spur, so it hides in the back of the slide. But many police armorers demanded that it also be carried with an empty chamber, and this doomed the back up concept.

      The Governor, as is, seems to be a good multi dwelling defensive weapon, Up in the mountains, I think some more tuning would be golden. It’s one competitor seems to me to be the solid stainless, Taurus, chambered in 45 Casull. Not that I’d want that flame thrower round in a snubbie, but it seems to me to be a step up from the earlier S&W M-696, in 44 Special. F.A. gave me a loading for my old 2nd Gen. Peacemaker, using their 300 gr. bullet, over Dupont 700 powder. It was almost a +P Colt load.

      Right now, my Go To revolver is a Lipsey’s Ruger 44 Special, with the short barrel, and a Millet red dot sight, in a Jack Wiegand mount. If I can get a laser equipped Governor to work at half the range of my Ruger, I will grab one, later this year. But the AMT is ultra handy, and surprisingly quick. But it’s awfully limited in accuracy. Seven yards is about it.

      Around here, defense with a sidearm, starts out at about 70 yards, and ends up at arm lengths. So the lasers are a really good idea, but aren’t legal to take any game with. They must only be used on dedicated self defense firearms. This is why I queried you on your feelings about the Governor’s limitations. I would rather keep a Big Game legal, red dot, on my Ruger 44 Special, for this reason. The little AMT, doesn’t even have a laser available, as it’s a discontinued item.
      Thanx in advance, Dave T.

      • Joe

        Dave, I live in Texas, don’t worry about Black Bear, Brown Bears or
        Polar bears, I know the Governer will kill a feral hog, so that is all I have to wonder about.
        However, if somebody decides to kick in my door, I will have
        a chance to correct the situation. And, will not perforate my neighbors.
        :<}

    • Dave Trainmore

      Dear Joe,
      Self Defense means different things in different places. My AMT 45DAO Backup is about as pure of a self defense weapon, as anything known. But it too has it’s drawbacks. It was fitted so sloppy, as to be completely reliable, for card table distances. Now you can’t let a wolf, or black bear, get up that close. Out here in the Idaho Panhandle, we are more likely to be accosted, head on, by the four legged predators.

      S&W has been taking way too many shortcuts, lately. Their sliding shoe safety was pretty good at holding a hammer mounted firing pin off of a primer, in a 38 M & P, but these new Governors and other Scandium framed revolvers, use frame mounted pins. So some detritus, can get in between the hammer and the firing pin, in an exposed holster. You won’t be bothered by this in an apartment or home defensive situation, but carrying it on your hip, out in the mountains, invites problems.

      The transfer bar system seems to be the way to go, and yet Freedom Arms, et al. doesn’t want you to carry a live round under the hammer. My AMT’s hammer has no spur, so it hides in the back of the slide. But many police armorers demanded that it also be carried with an empty chamber, and this doomed the back up concept.

      The Governor, as is, seems to be a good multi dwelling defensive weapon, Up in the mountains, I think some more tuning would be golden. It’s one competitor seems to me to be the solid stainless, Taurus, chambered in 45 Casull. Not that I’d want that flame thrower round in a snubbie, but it seems to me to be a step up from the earlier S&W M-696, in 44 Special. F.A. gave me a loading for my old 2nd Gen. Peacemaker, using their 300 gr. bullet, over Dupont 700 powder. It was almost a +P Colt load.

      Right now, my Go To revolver is a Lipsey’s Ruger 44 Special, with the short barrel, and a Millet red dot sight, clamped in a Jack Wiegand mount. If I can get a laser equipped Governor to work at half the range of my Red Dot Ruger, I will grab one, later this year. But the AMT is ultra handy, and surprisingly quick. But it’s awfully limited in accuracy. under seven yards is about it’s effective range.

      Around here, defense with a sidearm, starts out at about 70 yards, and ends up at arm lengths. So the lasers are a really good idea, but they aren’t legal to take any game with. So they must only be used on dedicated self defense firearms. This is why I queried you on your feelings about the Governor’s limitations. I would rather keep a legal red dot on my Ruger 44 Special, for this reason. The little AMT, 45 ACP, doesn’t even have a laser available, as it’s a long discontinued item.
      Thanx in advance, Dave T.

  • http://Yahoo Richard T

    I just got my S&W 45 Governoter..It is a good Gun for the house ..But what can I go Hunting for??? Not much….Maybe wild pig or Groudhog??But in OHIO you have to have a 5 in Barrel for Hunting..But The one good thing about the Governoter…If someone was Breaking in to my home..They will not be walking out…..

  • Lady Di

    Can a S&W Gov 45 be owned in California?