Colt / Umarex .22 1911
1911-patterened pistols chambered in .22 LR are all the rage right now in the industry. Umarex USA, who manufacture the .22 Colt M4 Carbine, will be selling a Colt branded 1911-style .22 pistol later this year. The pistol will come in three models. The Government-style model is the base model. The Rail model features improved sights, a picatinny rail and skeletonized trigger and hammer. A Gold Cup has been mentioned but I do not know what its features are.
Colt / Umarex .22 1911 Goverment
Colt / Umarex .22 1911 Rail
| Specifications | |
|---|---|
| Caliber | .22 L.R. |
| Capacity | 12 Rounds |
| Barrel Length | 5" |
| Method of Operation | Blowback |
| Front Sight | Drift Adjustable |
| Rear Sight | Drift Adjustable |
| Overall Length | 8.6" |
| Overall Width | 2.6" |
| Safety Type | Thumb Safety, Grip Safety |
| Weight w/out Mag | 2.25 lbs |
| Extractor | Internal + Pinned Ejector |
| Features | Full metal body |
| MSRP (Price) | $399 to $450 |
| Available | November 2010 |
Made by Walther in Germany, licensed by Colt. and distributed by Umarex.
AWESOME GUN!!!!!!!! But its made by Walther not Umarex !!!!!!!!!! Extremely high quality.
i found extra magazines at impact guns for 27 bucks for 12 round and 29 for 10 round,kinda strange that the 10 round cost more than the 12,it cost about 3 bucks shipping so abount 30 bucks total for the 12 round mag,they had it to me in about 5 days after i ordered it.
well ive had my colt/umarex 1911 22 government model now for almost 3 months,this is my opinion of it.it shoots very good with most ammo,no ftf or fte,the rear blade sight notch is cut a little to wide,i think ya pay a little more for this gun but everyone that shoots it loves it and wants one,the gun is not entended for self defense,its a fun plinker…..and fun it is.
Where can you buy one?
Best place to get mags that I’ve found is cheaperthandirt.com. Less than $30 apiece and they ship ‘em within a week.
And to the guy whining about stopping power: dude, really? If you want a 1911 with good stopping power, you’ve had the option to get one in .45 ACP caliber for AN ENTIRE CENTURY now. People who buy .22 clones generally know what they’re getting it for, and it’s almost certainly not for combat or self-defense.
i like to buy one of these colt 1911a1 .22lR. made by umarex.does any one know if you can buy a slide in a kit in 45 cal. p.s. 45 colt guns are pricely.
Not exactly clear on what your asking. But if I understand you, you are
asking if you can buy a slide kit for 22lr to fit a existing 45 1911 style ..
The answer is no. These are not kit guns they are selling. There are
kits that are made by other outfits though. However, most of the ones
I have seen are nearly as expensive as this gun is.
If that is not what you were asking please re-phrase a bit more clearly!
Another question concerning loading. Has anyone found a speedloader that works for this mags? I like using speedloaders on my Ruger Mark III pistols, but of course the mags are different. I’d love to find one that fit these.
Anyone that purchased the Rail version have any comments about the rear sight? It’s only windage adjustable, but I want to replace it with something that windage and elevation adjustable.
I”ve got that rail gun version.
Not having a issue with elevation with mine it seems spot on with
the ammo I’m using from ranges of say, 10yards out to 30 yards.
Just using cheapo 22LR Remington bulk I get at Wally World (which seems
for my gun to be more accurate than the Winchester bulk box ammo, slightly
different ogive and bullet length)
Only other comment I have is IMO the damn front blade is too narrow
for the rear notch. I’ve yet to find a replacment but I’ve not searched
real hard. I’m tempted to just cut some slim balsa wood panels or some
other material and use glue to fix this issue for me. Once I get the
blade to notch spacing where I think is best for me I’ll super glue em on!
Thta will save me some cash.
Nice gun but I feel I’m far more accurate with say, either my 9mm compact Glock , or 1911 45ACP Norinco, or my 45ACP Springfield XDM.
Correction, not just feel, I am.
I blame two things for this . The poor blade to rear notch ‘fit’. Far too
wide of a notch or narrow front blade makes it more difficult for me
to maintain a consistant sight frame on the horizontal axis.
2nd, the rail on my gun has more slop in the horizontal than I’d like but
I decided to live with it. This gun is for fun for me and cheap shooting, not competition grade accuracy.
Sorrry, I wandered away from your post query. Hahaha. I love this gun though.
Shot perhaps 1k rounds thru mine so far. No issues yet.
My colt/umarex 1911 22 came in today,i really like the gun,its the plain government model.the gun case has a big colt sticker on it and walther stickers in several places,the gun itself says made by walther,the gun shop owner said these are good guns and they are not made by a toy company,that walther makes them in germany and umarex distributes them.its way better made than the chiappa 1911 i own,real nice finish and no machine marks at all.the sights are ajustable.its a little more money than the gsg but i guess ya pay a little more for having the colt name on the gun.
I am fortunate enough to live in Oregon, where some of you may know that you can literally go into a pharmacy, check out the gun rack, pick your poison, and walk out with it that same trip. You gotta love the laws out here when it comes to so many things, especially firearms.
The Colt 1911LR Railgun is my first, purchased from a sporting goods store out here through the help of my family(thanks guys!) I have fired many other pistols in many calibers, yet decided to start out my own collection with a .22, being obviously the low cost of ammo and whatnot. I’m no expert at all when it comes to weaponry, still learning the ropes, but I wanted to say that for a first/training pistol, this gun is incredible. I took her out to the range and went through about 400 rounds and had not one misfire. At a distance of 25 feet, my shots were right on, being only a mere inch or so away from eachother. It was very finely tuned, incredibly easy to load compared to others, and it has a nice, firm feel.
I especially enjoy the attatchment-ready rail and also had noticed the threaded barrel, which a Walther P22 suppressor can be easily added. Another nice feature is the slide-lock and release, true to the Colt.
Again, I am still learning the ropes, but this is a great starting gun/plinker before continuing on to a higher caliber pistol. The disassembly and maintenence is quite simple as well. I would highly recommend this pistol.
Thanks buzi,i guess umarex will bleed every last drop under colts name to get every penny they can,it may take along time before after market mags come out,if that ever happens……
I was looking for extra magazines for my new colt 1911 22 thats ordered.i noticed that the walther p22 mag looks just like the colts,does anyone know if they are the same?the colt mags are very expensive and im looking for a cheaper way to get some extra mags.
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No, they are unique.
I ordered two 12 round spares from Umarex.
yah, pricey but ….
I am looking for extra magazines for my new colt 1911 22, where can I order them?
Let me amend that. To the best of my knowledge the Umarex Colt 22
can not use anything but the mags designed to fit it.
I ordered the colt government 1911 22 today,they said it will in within 5 days,im really excited,ive held one at a gun show an it really looks good,i own a rock island 1911 45 and the chiappa 1911,the chiappa is gonna be sold as soon as my colt comes in.
Does anyone know if the sights included on the Rail version are replaceable? What about the ability to put the Gold Cup adjustable sight on the Rail gun?
The sights look to be replacable to me. I plan to replace them some day , as I hate the ones on it. IMO the visual gap between front blade and rear
is way to big.
I have no idea what sort of dovetail they are though. I just know they are
dovetailed, no clue what spec. Both front and rear are very large dovetails.
I know my old Model 1911 rear sight spare I have has a much smaller dovetail.
The sights on the Colt 22 Rail gun are also equipped with teeny
allen screws. I have not had mine loose so no idea how loose the sights are
in the dovetail once the allen socket is loosened.
Someone in a earlier post asked if this 22 Colt Rail gun is ready for suppressor. Yes, it has a threaded barrel end and one would have to have
some sort of extender though as the barrel collet covers the threaded section when the gun is in battery. The Rail gun has a nut on the barrel you would just remove it.
While I’m typing. I’ll comment I am far more accurate with my Norinco 45 ACP which I bought back in the early 90′s and a XDM 45 ACP I have than I am with this Colt 22.
I think the reason I’m not as hot with this gun is due to the damn sights, which as I say, have too much gap side to side.
However , it is damn fun to shoot and is acccurate enough for my needs. So far shoots all the ‘walmart’ bulk ammo without complaint.
I think the Remington bulk cheapi is more accurate than the Winchester 555 though. THe bullets on the Remington stick out a bit more and I like the look of the ogive section on them.
OK, thanks. Please post if/when you replace those sites or find out anything about them. I tried to contact Umarex USA, but it’s like pulling teeth trying to get an answer. I’m assuming the only difference between the sights on the Gold Cup vs. the Rail is that the Gold Cup added elevation adjustment. I’d be curious if the Gold Cup sights would fit the Rail and if they’re obtainable seperately. Or, like we already said, just replace the sights on the Rail version with something new/better. Please let us know what you find out.
The sights on the gold cup are not interchangable with the rail because the slide is machinedaway ~ 2mm on the gold cup to accept the target sights.
Damn. OK, thanks. I may have to live with these sights or maybe take it to a gunsmith and them them suggest something instead.
The Colt 1911 22′s barrels are threaded the same as a Walther P22, hence will use the same suppressors you would use on a P22.
Got mine (Colt Rail Gun version) over the weekend and was very impressed by the quality, fit, and finish. It is made by Walther, but imported by Umarex. Hefty feel, smooth but slightly heavy trigger.
I was disappointed to find that the grip screw threads are not standard with other aftermarket grip screws. This Colt uses grip screws with a slightly coarser thread. So I decided to change out the grip screw bushings, but that was also a disappointment, because those bushings also use a non-standard thread. Bummer — that means I am stuck with thiese screws! Well, at lease I put some nice checkered Colt-logo’d cocobolo grips on them. Would have been nice to have stainless Allen or Torx screws as well.
I also have the Sig 1911-22. Wierd grip screws but I changed them out when I changed grips to some laser-etched Hogue “ivory” grips. The Sig is made by the same folks who make the GSG 1911-22, which is very different from the Colt/Walther/Umarex. The Sig devours any ammo I run through it. Smooth light trigger. Lighter than the Colt, but with a standard grip safety. The Colt grip safety on the Rail Gun has the “speed bump” which I prefer.
Which one do I like better? Hard to say. Both are quite nice. I’ve had the Sig longer and it’s finish is starting to wear just a bit. The Colt seems to have the nicer finish and easier takedown. I need to spend more time shooting it before I can pass a definitive judgment.
If anyone can figure out how to get aftermarket grip screws for the Colt 1911 22′s, I would sure be much obliged if you could let this blog know about it. Allen or Torx alternatives, either blued or stainless is what I would like.
Just saw one of these (rail gun) breifly through the glass at academy, and i happen to notice that the barrel had a nut on it similar to the p22. Does anyone know if this gun is suppressor ready?
I bought the base Government Model. The trigger pull is heavy. At 25 yards it is shooting 4″ groups with bulk ammo.
Is there a document that clearly shows/lists the differences between the Government, Rail and Gold versions of the Colt 1911 .22LR semi-auto?
Keith you obviously have too much free time on your hands.
I would have loved reading about it in it’s own thread.
That way folks who may not care about a .22 Rimfire 1911 but who might care about a .22 Rimfire MP5 could find it and read about it too.
And there’s a HUG difference between a Forum Title and a Subject Heading.
So what you’re advocating is that IF we run out something to say about one certain gun we should just start discussing a different gun under the same heading???
Sheesh yourself.
Keith, no offense but just how long do you think we can talk about a Umarex .22? lol Sheesh!
Like the title says, this is a blog for firearm’s. Most people that post here seem to be into rim fire and thats cool. The MP5/GSG is a rim fire. I liked reading about it, didn’t you?
I thought this was supposed to be about the Colt branded, Umarex manufactured .22 rimfire 1911 style pistols???
So what’s up with the AR and MP5 postings?
Well I broke down and finally bought one of the MP5 clones, called the GSG-5 by ATI. Why, well, I’m still not sure. The only thing I can think of is that back in day when we were assigned to counter-terrorism and anti-ship hijacking, the real MP5 was one of the preferred weapons. So maybe I bought it out of pure nostalgia I guess, I’ve always like them.
Back in the day, I carried a Heckler & Koch 93, with a Browning Hi-power in 9mm as my backup. The Heckler & Koch in .223 had a little more stopping power than the MP5s. But, to be real honest when you were up close and personal, it didn’t really matter. Those 9′s worked fine.
However as the years passed and more the teams evolved one thing stayed the same. I only recently learned they still do the take downs of the bad guys with MP5′s mostly, this would be in Iraq and Afghanistan of course.
These are all night ops, I might ad, and they love this little weapon. From my time till now spans 30 years and the MP5 is still a preferred weapon! Now that says something about it’s dependability and maybe a little about using a suppressed weapon too, so yeah, I think its pretty cool to have a clone. . . brings back memories.
And just for the record, we never fired full auto…not even in 3 shot bursts, it was always semi-auto. That’s a huge myth about special ops going full auto and mowing down terrorists. Pretty much it was one or two shots, very well placed, and then on to the next target… in CQB. Double taps to the head were expected, but in real life it don’t always happen that way.
Anyway back on subject, I think I’m going to have fun plinking with the grandson at the range with my MP5 clone…and it will be a cheap outing too with .22 ammo! This thing sure looks like the real deal and it feels like it too.
“de oppresso liber”
I bought the Gold Cup version the other day, it’s made by Walther. Not had a chance to take it out yet but it seems like one of the better quality 1911s in .22lr available. It’s not a faithful reproduction, like the Kimber (bar the external extractor for the purists) but with its fixed barrel, the Gold Cup should deliver better accuracy in .22lr, it’s also much heavier than the Kimber weighing in at about 32oz vs the Kimber’s 23oz. The finish is great and although the trigger started off quite gritty it has improved with some dry-firing using dummy rounds. Field stripping and cleaning are very easy, easier than my real 1911s and from what I’ve seen of them, the GSGs. I’m excited by it but am dreading finding extra 10 round magazines here in Canada, no one seems to have brought any of those in.
i have read some comments where some of you could not locate a dealer for the umarex .22 colt 1911.well i guess i got lucky because as soon as i seen it in one of my gun magazines i new right then i had to have one .i called carters country in houston,tx.,they had one for $399.99!i was there next day early & bought it.excellant!!!
I just got back from a gun show in Pasadena,TX where I picked up a
Colt 1911 22LR ‘Rail Gun ‘ Edition. It was a surprise to me as I had no idea
Colt was offering these. I had intended to buy a 22 of the 1911 style as that is my gun of choice. I had decided I’d go Kimber kit or similar if I could find one or take a chance on the GSG pot metal thing.
Well, seeing it was the only one at the show and it was just what I wanted, what with the slide locking back when empty, just like a real gun(cough). I had to buy it. I have no idea if I paid too much and I probably did. Frankly, I don’t care too much. Oh, I paid $380 plus sales tax.
As i sit here I’m feeling happier than if I had had to settle for the GSG (ATI) or the Chiappa. Being it locks back on empty IMO it is going to be better for me than the Kimber or similar kit would have been (my understanding the Kimber does not lock back).
No chance to shoot just yet. Plan to do that tomorrow.
What I’m hoping to find here is if anyone knows where I can find magazines for this besides the Umarexusa site? They want 38 bucks each for 10 rounders.
The bummer is the gun only came with one magazine.
I’ll want 2 extras.
So if anyone knows where I could find magazines maybe cheaper (USA) speak up !! Sure would be nice to find extended magazines.
I forgot to add, the GSG 1911 22lr pistol also has many part interchange with the 1911 A1 45acp. I changed the grips, and screws (requires changing the threaded part on the
frame) went to an extended one sided safety and plan to change the small arched mainspring housing to a flat. This will remove the magazine interlock that requires the mag be installed to fire the gun. I don’t want or see a need for a magazine safety. Solid gun. Not the cheaply made chiappia, which doesn’t feel like a 1911 A1 at all. Just cock the CAST hammer once and you’ll know right away. In my case the GSG was only $25 more than the chiappia. Also I just today saw on Buds website that the chiappa cannot be sold in more than a half dozen states including MN.
It may be due to the cast parts not meeting some required spec.
I own a GSG 22lr 1911 and it’s as well made as any 45acp I’ve owned or seen. Much better quality than the chappia or puma 1911 22′s that are out there. Feels like a 1911 and has a slide lock. I have on order a colt 1911 22lr rail gun from buds gun shop. Should have it in about a week. Get on their wish list and you will be notified when one comes in. Not listed as in stock. They fill them as they come in. I ordered mine right away, and later the same day they were all gone.
OverGon said “I am lucky enought to own a few Colt 1911s from when they first were made and until they last were made by Colt.”
Last made? Ummm. Colt is still very much in the 1911/1911A1 business.
Thats good to hear ab out the 1911 in .22 cal. I’m impressed wsith the looks and feel and the rice isn’t too bad either. Would be a fun plinker.
Of all the firearms that I have carried, S&W, Walther, Beretta, Colt, Bersa, Browning, Glock, and more, there’s nothing more impressive looking than that old 1911. And the .45 ACP still holds its own against the best of them.
Next: Has anyone seen the MP 40 clone thats out now? I forget who was making them. They are kinda pricey, seems like a used one was around $2600. They look just like old Nazi weapon, but in semi-auto (still 9mm). I think the price is outrageous. I was hoping if they ever made enough the price would drop. I would pay $700 plus, but not $2600, hey, it’s not that much fun!!!!
By the way, did anyone have a chance to read my review of the Russian Mosin 7.62X54R? It’s online, you might like it if you are into the old Mosin’s. You can google the key words Mosin Nagant, post scripts and find the article. It looks like this once you do your search.
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I am lucky enought to own a few Colt 1911s from when they first were made and until they last were made by Colt. I bought the Umarex 1911 pellet gun when it first came out about 15 years ago. It was OK but too much trouble to load and did not have that fun feeling of shooting a 1911.
I just bought the Umarex .22 version of the 1911 and it just nails the feel and fun of a real Colt 1911! You can shoot it all day without going broke and without abusing your right hand. I wanted the plain Jane 1911 version but all I could find was the Rail gun. After shooting and owning it, I don’t have any preference now. Love the thing!! I like it better than my Buckmark and my Ruger Mk2. I take my boys or friends out pliniking with all 3, don’t say a word and watch which gun they consistantly use. It is mostly the 1911.
My particular 1911 does misfire, especially if one tries to waste ammo shooting fast. It leaves a nice indent in the shell. The Buckmark does the same thing after about 50 rounds, but all it needs is to be cleaned. The Ruger will shoot anything, anytime, and does not care if it is dirty or clean (I swear sometimes it can fire a spent shell.) I plan to bring the Umarex to a gunsmith after about 1-2000 rounds if the misfires keep up. They do not daunt my enthusiam for the gun.
Got my Umarex 1911 22 Government model this Tue.
It’s a dandy. Been in communication with Umarex monthly after the first announcement, (over a year). The wait was worth it, I got what I expected. It’s a sure fire very accurate Colt quality handgun. Yes the slide locks open.
Yes everything works exactlly like the Colts we had in Korea. Functions flawlessly. I love it just the way it is, wouldn’t change it if I could.
Too much attitude and too few communication skills.
Pate, way too much attitude. ..chill bro.
idk why everyone is bitchin about it being a 22. cal but the fact is a 22 can kill someone just as much as a 9mm can they actuly compear the 2 calabers together the 22 rickishes off of bones riping through arteries and vitle orgens my brother got killed by getting shot in the head by a 22 so stfu about 22s being bull shit cause if you can kill a gator with one trust me you can also kill a human being if you had to
Mike, I hear you and if it were not for the fact that Umarex deals with a lot of novice gun owners who have a bad reputation for screwing up even the simple things, I’m sure they would ship out the parts.
Umarex has a real fast turn around time for service. My advise is don’t bother fighting their repair policy, just send it in and in a week or so you should be back in business.
Does anyone know how to get parts for the 1911 A1? I purchased their standard model and the grip screws and bushings on the left side could not be separated…Umarex customer service is impossible to deal with…they want me to send the gun in so their master gunsmith could do the work…give me a break, just ship me two new bushings and two new grip screws and I’ll be happy.
I just bought the Umarex/Colt M16 to replace my M4 Ops Model that was stolen. I have to admit they did a great job with the M16, butt stock trap door for cleaning kit, perfect finish, heavy barrel, weight and feel just right. It’s the A3 version. Price was okay, on sale at Big 5 for $399, which was less than my M4.
By the way, I had good luck with my M4, but I noticed quite of a few people had misfires, jams and dust covers that won’t close. That seems to be the most common complaints. I had some problems the first day with my M4 and Remmington ammo and the tensioner screw needed some fine tuning adjustment, but after that it was near perfect and a very good shooter for a carbine. I’m hoping the M16 will be even better with the 20 inch barrel, little longer reach.
I noticed some negative comments about .22 cal weapons. All I can say is I really enjoy shooting the .22. I also shoot .223, .308, 8mm, 300 Win mag, etc. So, I’m a dedicated reloader and avid shooter, and I see absolutely nothing wrong with plinking with the .22. When I go to the range I’m not there to impress anyone or do bump firing with my .223′s and scare everybody. To me shooting a .22 or a 50 BMG, is all fine and all part of the sport. The .22LR is great for its intended purpose.
I have 9 days to go before I can pick up my M16, so in the meanwhile any comments good or bad you care to make about this weapon? Is it basically the same as the M4 version in .22LR?
I have been waiting since NOV 2010 for the colt/umarex to be avail it is now APRIL 2011 still cant get one my dealer has called umarex usa and has gotten nowhere. Does any one know where i can get on?
I just purchased the Colt 1911 22lr rail gun by Umerax. It is a great gun. The weight and feel is perfect. I fired 200 rounds and not one missfire. I also purchased a Micro Max laser from Laser Max. What a great addition for $129. It made it easy to see mistakes I was making (I am a novice shooter). The laser iproved my accuracy by at least 50%
That said I do not think I will ever be in a firefight. However, I do enjoy going to the range once or twice a week. Sometimes with gun buddies for a sociel event. Sometimes by myself for relaxation. Shooting is a sport where you can compete with yourself. With my 22′s I can shoot several hundred rounds and not take out a mortgage on my house. I have also found that my accuracy if anythinf is marginally better with my calaber guns so I think it is a great training experiance.
The Umarex 1911 will be realeased in late march/early april, just some weeks after the IWA in Nürnberg.
It’s nit manufactured by GSG – Umarex and GSG hate each other.
(GSG was founded by three former Umarex employees)
The price and the model variants can be seen on the Carl Walther Homepage.
(Umarex owns Carl Walther, that’s why they put ugly P99 grips on everything, knifes, lamps, pepperspray….)
I had the chance to try a 1911 “Railgun” variant, and i must say it is a very nice gun. Tight fittings, good weight, well balanced, and they did a good job on the finish. Trigger is also quite good.
The magazine is the P22 Magazine with a new baseplate – at least it looks like it.
Precisions is quite good, i could not shoot it rested, but i was pleased.
I hope my english is not too bad, im German. (From Arnsberg – Umarex’s hometown, but i don’t work there)
Hi
1)When realsed Colt/Umarex 1911 22LR ????
2)How much ???
3)How long quaranty gun ???
I called the company and they said the Colts won’t be available until sometime in January. I noticed on their website that they removed the sentence that said they would be available starting in November. When they are finally available they should be a sweet gun. I had a Kimber Target .22, which was really nice, but the slide did not lock open after the last shot, which really bothered me. The Colts do.
I ordered one through my local gun dealer the second week in November as their ad stated that they would be available in November. It’s now the last of November and I haven’t seen or heard anything about it yet. I will be glad when I can get a look at it and take it to the range to check it out. I hope it’s at least as good or better than their M-4, as I have really enjoyed it.
I checked with the company, and yes, the slide does lock open after the last shot. the Kimber doesn’t, which I did not like. This would be a fun gun to plink with, so I intend on getting one!
Is this made by the same people making the GSG? Are all the parts and function going to be like the real deal. I know the UMAREX M4 works good but is a let down when it comes to the internal design. Might as well put a 10/22 in one of the fake receivers.
Ladyfox,
The slide markings on the above photos don’t look much larger than those on a 1991 NRM Colt to me.
And do you remember the original Colt M1991A1 models? Or any of the 1990s Government/Commander models with their BILLBOARD sized lettering?
I have four 1994 vintage Colts, three of which you’d probably hate because they are blued and sport Silver (yes silver) filled rollmarks (the 4th one is dull stainless). But that’s okay because all four are dead nuts reliable, wicked accurate and most certainly NOT for sale.
In a crisis you do not rise to the occasion. You merely fall back to your best level of training.
With one of these you can practice draw and fire, magazine changes, malfunction drills, etc, ets. without the noise, stress/fatigue and expense of a full house .45acp.
And by stress/fatigue I mean that a person can fire a lot more rounds of .22 Long Rifle without tiring out and therefore avoiding developing a flinch, that would ever be possible with .45 ammo.
Can you immagine what would happen if someone trained heavilky with a Ruger and then in a gunfight when his/her 1911 ran dry they fumbled for a heel mag release?
With one of these guns (or with a conversion kit) everything is in the same place. And with the Chiappa that I shot the slide lock worked just like a real Colt. Something you usually don’t get with a conversion. This is possible because the complete guns use similar metals for all parts so you don’t have to worry about steel slide lock peening an aluminium slide.
Also, I can attest, as can anyone who has ever had to shoot for their life, that when the balloon goes up, recoil is just about the last thing you notice.
Anyone know where to buy one?
Any thoughts on the blow-back design? I thought the orginal Ace’s were blowback and they had problems. The Service Ace’s used a floating piston mechanism that apparently simulated the recoil of the .45 and created a much more reliable cycling.
Chiappa’s are fix barrel/frame…..Hmmmmm…..
TheAmdMAN: Don’t downplay the value of learning how to operate a given platform. Just because one trains with a smaller caliber doesn’t invalidate the instant familiarity when handed the real thing. That instant familiarity (even if paired with a bigger kick once you actually tickle the trigger) means that the shooter starts out operating on instinct, which is a big advantage when you have other things to be thinking about.
It’s the same reason they stick pilots in flight simulators — it’s clearly not the real thing, but it’s a hell of a lot cheaper, and instills the correct trained, automatic actions.
I’ll agree with you on starting with a .22LR, but a steel frame 45 has less kick than a .40 and a 9mm in some cases. More weight to distribute the load. My girl prefers my 1911 to every other gun I have (9mm, .40) and she is a little hesitant when it comes to guns. Will this compare to a .22lr? No, I know what you’re saying.
I don’t see how shooting a lighter gun and a round that has no resemblance to the 45acp is a good “training” idea (cost effective yes, plinking yes, actual training no).. but to each their own.
Website doesn’t mention if the slide locks open on an empty mag but the pictures don’t appear to show any sort of steel insert in the notch, like Advantage Arms uses to allow for that feature. Already have a Ciener that doesn’t lock open, don’t see myself buying one of these.
I’d much rather have a .22 conversion slide for the 1911 from Marvel, Bob Marvel Custom Guns or Advantage Arms.
theamdman, most people buy these 22s as a companion gun to a centerfire version. The last time I checked, 100 rounds of 45 ACP was about $35, so the gun will pay for itself after about 1000 rounds. 22lr also has less noise and recoil, allowing for longer training sessions. Further, I will not hand a 45 to a first-time shooter. A hard-kicking handgun will turn off someone who is already unsure about guns. Instead, starting with a 22 allows someone to become competent with a handgun before moving to centerfire guns. One step at a time, crawl before you walk, insert metaphor here.
Seems like they’re genuine 1911 functionality, which probably means not a steel slide; .22 blowback can’t cycle the action in steel – is that correct? So steel bbl and aluminum slide? Even if the frame / receiver are alloy, if the action is true 1911, I’d consider it. Anyone shot a GSG 1911, or a Chiappa? Is a Kimber conversion the way to go? What about .22 magnum?
Might as well buy a fly swatter.
Hey Ralph, what is wrong with you? Have you ever head of simply plinking to have fun?
If youlre plinking for fun (which it is) do yourself a favor and buy a classic .45 caliber 1911a1 and the buy the .22 conversion kit (slide,barrel,and magazines.a quick change now let’s you decide freely between stopping power and cheap,fun plinking
As close as I’ll ever get to owning an Ace. Put me down for at least one.
Cool! After seeing your post, I had to look up the site for the 1911 .22s
http://www.colt22rimfire.com/index.php?page=colt-1911
Looks pretty great!
I was intrigued until I saw the pictures. What is up with that garish oversized, and to add further insult colored white, lettering on the side of the slide?? *gag*
The price is also a bit too high for what you are getting as well. Consider, the MSRP of a Browning Buckmark is around $349 and the Ruger 10/45 w/ replaceable panels runs a MSRP of $380.
Sorry Umarex but you’re going to have to ditch that ugly lettering and drop the price about $75 before I’ll even remotely consider getting one.
But it is made of good steel, or pot metal like so many of the other ones?
iN new clothes, sorry, mistyped.
GSG M1911 is new clothes?
gvass, I don’t think so.
What is the point of all these look-a-like guns in .22LR? I mean I understand cheaper to shoot blah blah but if I’m going to spend some money I want the thing that can actually stop something besides a squirrel if SHTF.
Guess they expect people to have a range arsenal and a defense one and if you pick up the wrong gun during the firefight, I feel sorry for you..
So you think a .22 is not worth killing with? I guess the mob had it all wrong back in the day. They used .22 a lot when killing people and not wanting to make much noise. I will shoot u in the stomach and let it bounce all around and c how much it does.. really… don’t talk down on a .22
Let me shoot you one time with my Rail version and then you can try to repost your comment after that.
If you pick up the wrong gun during a firefight you’re an idiot.
Seriously if the fire fight has already started, and you’re unarmed, you’re pretty much S.O.L. anyway.