New Magpul AFG (Angled ForeGrip)

afg_9-tfb

The AFG (Angled ForeGrip) is a new forgrip from Magpul that will go on sale later this month. They claim it allows a more natural hold than a vertical foregrip.

Drake, a Magpul employee, says

The AFG falls into the category of “Theory Based” products. Simply put, these products are designed to enhance weapon performance and user interface beyond what is currently available. Because these products do not simply replace an existing weapon component, there is an understanding with Theory Based Products that simple plug and play doesn’t apply. They require education by way of instructions, training, and familiarization with the product to become proficient, and only then will the benefits be realized. In addition to the AFG, other products in this category are the B.A.D. Lever, MS2, and ASAP.

The primary difference between the AFG and standard vertical foregrips is weapon controllability. This is a direct result of hand position, grip style and body mechanics. Below is a detailed description of the Theory behind the AFG.

Click on each slide to expand it.

Drake also says that it works well on AKs because the low profile does not hinder magazine change.

The AFG will be available in colors Black, Flat Dark Earth, OD Green and Foliage Green. The retail price will be $34.95.

Many thanks to KaiserPanda for sending me the link.

Related

Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.



Advertisement

  • http://defense-and-freedom.blogspot.com/ Sven Ortmann

    That’s incomplete.

    The Ultimax had another type for fore grip (swept backwards, surprisingly short), Hungarian AKs had often forward swept fore grips, late Russian AK designs at times included a backward swept fore grip (adopted about experiments about practical hit probability) and there’s also a rail-mounted sideways-swept fore grip on the market.

    This “angled foregrip” looks way too angled to me.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      Sven, also remind me of the FN F2000 grip

  • http://tslrf.blogspot.com/ theotherryan

    People will actually pay $35 for this? I just grab the magazine well with my pointer finger against the fore grip.

  • http://defense-and-freedom.blogspot.com/ Sven Ortmann

    The FN F2000 was pretty similar to the FN P90 in regard to grips – but it had a vastly different approach. The hands were quite close to each other (especially on the P90). That fore grip was more a replacement for having the left hand gripping both the magazine and the barrel heat shield.

    That requires a completely different position for the left arm, and thus the optimal hand position is quite different as well.

    IIRC.

  • Redchrome

    The angle of the Thompson SMG’s forward grip bears more resemblance to *some* ‘orthopedic’ or ‘anatomical’ fencing foil grips.

    Looks like this is just another option in foregrip angle among no grip/handstop, the Thompson, the Colt, vertical, and reversed. It’s good to have options. Everyone’s body is different and their needs are different.

    Very good article. Thanks Steve!

  • Redchrome

    To be clear, here’s the Colt VFG I am thinking of:

    http://www.lasermaxcgl.com/

  • daskro

    For context, Chris Costa has been sporting this kind of foregrip positioning for some time now. Generally speaking he advocates the use of foregrips not necessarily for better control of the gun but instead as a reference point where your hand can consistently go back to. This consistency allows faster transitions without a compromise in accuracy or control.

  • curtis

    I don’t understand all of the jargon they used but it seems like they’re saying the angled fore grip is a more natural and stronger way to hold the rifle. i think it makes since ergonomically. take a look at how you hold the remote next time you change the channel on your tv. i don’t know about how strong it would be though.

  • subby

    This is brilliant. It will greatly increase the speed of acquiring new targets especially with muzzle heavy designs.

    What I find really lame, is that the exact location where they are holding the rifle is the same place where the Scar rifle heats up alot. Hope its compatible since special forces will be the most to profit from this new innovation.

  • http://hueysgunsight.blogspot.com Pete

    that’s a lot of hype for something they’re going to list for $35. I expected to see a $100 price tag on it as much research and time they apparently put into it. They must be planning to sell a bunch. Accessorize or die…

  • Joel

    This is great news! I’ve used the AFG and it works as advertised. It improved my control and accuracy in a matter of minutes… and it just feels right. The hand position is very similar to your reaction hand grip on a handgun… the arm is just extended further.

  • Okki

    I would be curious how it affects the operating of a tape-switch. Most users of FVG’s use them to control a light or laser as well and the angled version does not seem to be very accommodating for that.

    Another area of question involves a bipod. I run a FVG on my fore-end with enough room in front of it to run my bipod, without interfering with my hand. It would seem to me that this grip loses its ergonomic advantages when moved backwards to accommodate a bipod and is not very suited to have an integrated bipod.

    Interesting concept though.

  • http://sixty-six.org gregory

    theotherryan, check out some basic physics -torque in particular- and maybe you’ll understand why you have better muzzle control while gripping the weapon closer to the muzzle (and not on the mag well)

    The difference is obvious if you pick up your weapon and try both techniques.

  • Clodboy

    Kind of reminds me of the forend on the AN-94 or the SPAS-15.

  • KP

    theotherryan: I used to grip the magwell before I watched AotTC. Then I tried out the long-arm hold and it really is a lot more stable and less fatiguing.

  • http://americanmohist.blogspot.com Jimmy W

    What about that potato-shaped non-grip grip? how is this one different from that?

    And the actor’s arm looks uncomfortable.

    I guess this grip will be popular w/ the pistol crowd who cannot have vertical foregrips.

  • Mike

    It looks like a much better match for how I hold by AR than a donkey dick. I admittedly used a magwell hold for a while and then bought a VFG because it looked “tacticool.” Quickly found out that holding the VFG it in the VFG grip illustrated above always felt unnatural, and did nothing for accuracy or controllability compared to a magwell hold. Eventually settled on a variation of the VFG thumbbreak grip.

    Also, someone on ar15.com or m4carbine.net even had a thread about a grip like the AFG in the last year or so.

  • Gutao

    but,w/ the AFG,u gotta keep your arm very straight,that way,dont you get tired faster?

  • jdun1911

    The angle grip design is actually very good. Magpul isn’t the first to get it out. There is a number of them in the market and will probably replace the standard VG in the future.

    The vast majority of people holding VG the wrong way, ie boomstick. The thumb break with the VG near the front is the proper way. The angle grip just take it to the next level.

  • Bill Lester

    theotherryan,

    People will buy anything with a Magpul logo stamped into the plastic.

  • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

    AB, that is interesting, but just email interesting articles not post them as comments.

  • jdun1911

    I want to add that the VG and angle foregrip is there for indexing. It is a placement holder for your hand and accessories. VG/AFG are not necessary to hold the rifle properly. It just a faster way of doing it if you’re running light, laser, ie.

  • Redchrome

    Jimmy W,
    I have heard on the Intarwebs that the ATF considers even the Knight’s handstop to be a VFG when fitted on a pistol.

    http://www.knightarmco.com/shop2/index.php?productID=308

    I unfortunately can’t find the comment where someone said ATF considered it a VFG. It shouldn’t be taken as legal advice in any case.

  • http://www.nitroexpress.com Mehul Kamdar

    Steve,

    I’ll admit this is apples and oranges here, but with shotguns and double rifles, about a century and a couple of decades ago, the British found that acquiring moving targets was best accomplished when both hands holding a long arm were on the same plane. That is why, to those who have practiced shooting with one, a straight grip shotgun is very fast. Similarly on double rifles which require a pistol grip to make the guns controllable under recoil, the Brits offered a padded leather glove which simultaneously protected against the barrels becoming hot when they were shot through and which lowered the palm of the leading hand closer to the level of the hand holding on to the pistol grip.

    Magpul may have found that these old theories work equally well with modern tactical firearms.

  • Overload in CO

    I have a FN FS2000 and I HATE the forend grip. It may be at the ‘correct’ angle, but there’s nothing to grip, too smooth. I’ve replaced it with the tri-rail and a vertical foregrip. Maybe it’s the distance away from the shoulder, it being a bulpup, but I like the vertical grip MUCH better. Heck, I like the raw horizontal rail better than the stock grip.

  • Cymond

    Personally, I think this is a good idea. I’ve seen some folding VFGs that pivot forwards and backwards. They can be locked horizontally, vertically, and at a 45 degree angle forward or back. I always thought an angled grip would be more natural for the same reasons we don’t use perfectly vertical pistol grips.

    Also, if you’re concerned with aesthetics, I think it’s a little less tacky-cool than some of the VFGs on the market. I have my mall-ninja side, too. I just try to keep it under control enough to avoid becoming a self parody.

  • RJG

    “They require education by way of instructions, training, and familiarization with the product to become proficient, and only then will the benefits be realized.”

    While training is always a good thing, I don’t see how training would be required to benefit from this if it fits you well. It isn’t magical.

    RJG

  • Edward

    If I recall correctly, watching the “Art of the Tactical Carbine” DVD, it was Travis Haley (the guy in the “sword analogy” picture) who used the thumb break grip with a VFG, while Chris Costa was the one using an AFG hold but without the AFG itself.

    Coincidentally I’ve been hand-miming (in thin air) that grip style, hadn’t imagined that the AFG was on the way!

  • d

    I showed these slides to a friend of mine studying physical therapy so they have knowledge of muscles and how to make them work for you. Here is what she had to say:

    “yes… the slides somewhat make sense about their ergonomics.
    -for the hand stop slide… it’s not that you’re overextending your supinators, but more like (if looking at the picture) you’re deviating your wrist towards your pinky which will stretch the structures of your finger and wrist on the thumb side. you’ve got your radial nerve and artery and vein running through there, so if holding your wrist in that position may possibly lead to some irritation to those structures.

    -for vfg if you hold onto something too tight you might go numb in your fingers… so try to get fingers and wrist moving as much as possible. try not to hold your fingers and wrist in extreme positions too long because it may cause restriction to blood flow and make your nerves unhappy… PTs believe that motion is lotion.

    any grip that will make your arm is in neither palm up or palm down and with no wrist deviation towards the pinky or towards the thumb is good. and remember you’re holding the gun with other bigger muscles like your deltoids and biceps and a balance of forearm flexors and extensors. ”

    Magpul obviously had a medical consultants during the design this type of grip.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      d, thats very interesting. Thanks for posting the info.

  • Cybrludite

    Meh, it’s $35 bucks, or about the price of 100 rounds of Federal .223 FMJ at Wal*Mart. If they were charging an arm, a leg, and the soul of your first born child, then I could see being as upset or weirded out as some of the folks here seem to be. At thirty-five bucks, if I had a railed forearm on my AR (or still had my AK), I’d be willing to give it a try & see if it improved things any.

  • Neon Leon

    I’m not sure about the sword comparison as a validating point, since the sword is a moving weapon swung and manipulated with force, and the rifle (while it is moved) is typically two-handed and is desirably under much less movement than a sword. They are two completely different weapons.

    A better comparison would be the stability of the thumbs-forward position in pistol shooting. I have found that it is a much more “locked-in” position and ergonomically places my body in a more structured support of the gun. The same is accomplished here, but as noted, the grip and its use has to be taken in context with training and instruction in use.

  • Brady

    I think the concept is sound. Magpul doesn’t put out crap that doesn’t work. I’ve gone back and forth over the last ten years between VFG and Magwell hold and there are plusses and minuses to both. The AFG won’t solve any problems for me, so I won’t buy one. Magpul has developed a reputation and deservedly so with developing quality gear. Aided by Costa and Haley’s teaching and gun handling abilities, and youtube likability, indeed the AFG will be hard to lay hands on for many people for several months just like the ASAP and MS2 and PMags and CTRs…

  • willygillis

    I bought the AFG as soon as I heard about it, before I was even done with the SPR that I bought it for. I still like the vertical grips on my carbines but the AFGs low profile makes it perfect for a SPR or DMR.

  • http://www.technophile.eu Yora

    I never even held an actual gun in my entire life, but when I saw a vertical grip for the first time some years ago, it intuitively looked very odd to me.
    It just “looks” very stiff to use and unneccessarily cumbersome to get a good hold. And aiming with it also seems a bit weired for the same reasons presented on the slides.
    Nice to see some experts agree and it wasn’t just foolish me thinking it looks “uncool”. ^^

  • Natranza the Compassionate

    I got one of these, and it is the bees knees. Try it before razzing it.

  • http://thefirearmblog Lloyd

    I just got the AFG for me it works well so do all of Magpuls stuff. I broke my wirst and the vgf after a some time at the range my hands get stiff. Hay if you are reading this in SA TX go to Durys gun Store they have Pmags and a lot of stuff.

  • Harry

    I have a fn fs2k, (along with everything else), and have found that although the positioning of the fore grip is more natural etc.. it prevents you from getting a firm grip on your rifle especially if your hands or gloves are wet and the gun can rotate ever so slightly from side to side as your squeezing the trigger: I notice problem mostly on longer distance shots with a scope.

    I have since replaced the grip with the tri rail and added a vertical grip. I have found that a good tactical sling does wonders as far as eliminating fatigue etc.. that you would have with a vertical grip

    Seems like a good idea though

  • Stone

    I have a bushmaster carbon 15 pistol that one of these would be great on, does anyone know the legality of this?

  • http://firearmblog Lloyd

    No it falls in the NFA act & the BATF will have your ass if you know whut I mean.

  • BRENDAN

    I’ve recently used the Magpul angled fore grip at an NRA training for some fresh “updated” certifications for Armed Force Protection / Security in the Middle East. Training under the guidelines of “Magpul” standards I absolutly loved it ! and will have them on my “AK’s” & “M4′s”.