LMT Defense Begins Rifle Deliveries to the Estonian Defense Force

@Mike https://thumbs.gfycat.com/D...

Pistons AR pattern offer no real advantage over DI (internal piston) ARs. You still have to maintain it. You're still going to clean it (just in a different area). If you're running a suppressor and worried about gas blowing back in your face a simple changing of the charging handle to a gas buster remedies the issue. Before you mention HK416 used by JSOC units doing super secret squirrelly stuff, understand that at the adoption the HK416 offered the best and most immediate solution at that time. The Mk18 and M4A1 URGI offer all the benefit originally seen in the HK416 when running suppressed while not being over gassed and beating itself to death.

Funny how USASOC picked a DI M4 rather than going with a piston design.

@Mike "[S]tupid New Zealand?

@Uniform223 There is always someone living in denial

@Mike There is always someone who doesnt know something trying to speak/comment as if they do.

@Mike And they use Steyrs

@Uniform223 Taking about yourself.

@Mike What does H&K's propaganda depts kool-aid taste like? I'm guessing dead brain cells in your case.

@No one Where did I mention H&K?

@No one It's the same usual half truths that are always copied and pasted when the deniers hear the word piston.
Then they resort to personal attacks when they can't find anything more to copy and paste.

@jono102 Not anymore.

@Mike As posted above by venku, they didn't even go for Piston because of some reliability BS you're fanboying (yet anyone who points out you're wrong with a much better argument = clearly just a denier, and not = you can't come up with a counter.) but because of some questionable health study that linked propellant gasses too close to your face to certain problems.

But yeah, it was clearly how they saw the error the ways of NZ and the countless other counties who still use and have chosen DI AR's over the opinions of people on the internet.

@Mike They're the ones who made up how SSP ARs were totes more reliable than DI ARs with basically no real evidence and tests literally found out to be rigged after the fact over some butthurt when Colt sued them over using the name "HK M4" and people will believe anything H&K says.

Taiwan actually made SSP ARs (production license from Colt) and put them in service as far back as the mid 70s, yet never spouted out such BS, wonder why?

@No one You well know, and everyone else here, that just about every study done has shown that piston is superior to DI.
But you can just keep burying your heads in the sand and keep calling it 'H&K's propaganda'.

@No one Yeah of course the US Army rigged their own weapons test so they can spend millions buying an inferior weapon for JSOC 🙄

@Mike H&K rigged the testing genius, are you THAT dense that you don't understand how marketing works?

Also, SOCOM is sticking with DI ARs, guess you owned yourself considering they did exactly that just without the "inferior" part.

@No one Now for the conspiracy theories. So H&K infiltrated the US Army and rigged the Army weapons test. Good one.

@No one Again, the conspiracy theorists resort to personal attacks when they can't find anything more to copy and paste.

@Mike You are actually so dumb it's unreal.

Tell me, which weapon is the US Army still using?

@No one Again, resorting to personal attacks when wrong.
Tell me which rifles topped the Army's test?
Tell me which rifles JSOC use?

@Mike Testing that when looked at more closely is inconclusive
https://elementsofpower.blo...

In testing using the current M855A1 the M4A1 had the least amount of class 3 stoppages
https://m.washingtontimes.c...

Scuttlebutt is that SOCOM has defunded the HK416. Whatever units they have in inventory is all they got and they're going run them until they are deadline.

https://youtu.be/YAneTFiz5WU
https://youtu.be/HYAEGgf_8LU

@Uniform223 In all US Army weapons tests the piston rifles outperformed the DI rifles.
SOCOM selected the Mk 16 but cancelled it because of budget reasons and spent what money it had on piston DMRs.

@Mike In what capacity did those weapon out perform the current M4A1 and the older M4?
A comprehensive dissection of the infamous dust test shows no clear results. If one weapon was failing out of the 10 that could skew the entire finding. Did you even read the article?

Class 3 stoppages/malfuntions are the most problematic and mechanically are the most complex to remedy or fix. They require a replacement of critical parts or at worse deadline the weapon. The fact that the M4A1 had the least amount of class 3 stoppages/malfunctions says something about its long term reliability and service life as a service weapon for a military as large as the US Military. Already USMC are running into service life problems with their M27s with the M855A1.

https://www.thefirearmblog....

Early claims of the M855A1 higher chamber pressure for higher muzzle velocities for the 14.5 inch barrel lead to the belief that weapons within the US Army (M4A1, M4s, M16A2s, and SAWs) would lead to lower service life and more catastrophic failures/breaks. The M855A1 was adopted and issued by the US Army as early as 2010. There has been no outstanding publicly released or obtained report/document of weapons on a mass scale having catastrophic failures due to the M855A1. The M27 experiences this problem more acutely due to being an overgassed system. I did hear or read somewhere that newer batches of the M855A1 have a propellant that slightly reduces chamber pressures to more tolerable levels but are still higher than the older M855. I do not know if this will help the M27 and HK416s in service.

Early reports of the exposed steel tip of M855A1 was causing excessive wear on feed ramps. The COTS procurement of newer PMAGs and the issuing of the EPM has largely remedied this issue. It should be noted that the vast majority of malfunctions experience by the M16/M4 weapons in the US Military are largely magazine related due to the circulation of old worn out magazines.

Internal testing done by SOCOM showed promising results for midlength gas for their M4A1s
https://soldiersystems.net/...
Which lead to USASOC and other SOCOM units getting this...
https://soldiersystems.net/...
https://www.thefirearmblog....

The Mk16 (SCAR-L) was defunded almost as quickly as it was adopted. It offered no real benefit over the M4A1 and had a higher price. Despite the adoption of the Mk20 SSR, SOCOM units still held onto their SR-25s and M110s. Supposedly their SR-25s and M110s is still their weapon of choice. USSOCOM tested and adopted the 6.5 Creedmoor. Last year Knights Armament was contracted to provide 6.5 kits for existing M110s in service... last I checked the M110 is a DI gas operated rifle...
https://www.thefirearmblog....

Try to keep up...

@Uniform223 The US Army test results are clear as day.
One bad HK416 out of the ten lowered the overall performance but still out performed the DI rifles.
The problems with the M855A1 is with the round, not the M27.
Last I checked the M110A1 is a piston operated rifle.

@Uniform223 Yall are both right. PISTOs offer no benefit for the average grunt but does for some special operation forces. Such as OTB and longer sustained fire ability over the older M4 (not a problem now with the M4A1). I've run both and there great but to be honest I'd take M4A1 over a M27 anyway due to weight. Now an LWRC would be cool to check out.

@Mike "Tell me, which rifles topped the Army's test"

The brand new sample guns that were tweaked beforehand from the test over the rack grade basically off the fiend M4A1s?

"Tell me which rifles JSOC use?"

Still the M4A1 and the MK.18 Mod 1 genius which you've been told for the 10,000th time.

But you're dense as a black hole so keep up those mental gymnastics!

@Mike >Get completely owned by Uniform223 and keeps goalpost shifting.

Man, imagine acting this way yet accusing *others* of being in denial, go back to drinking that kool-aid.

@No one Again you resort to personal attacks when wrong and have lost the argument.

@No one The HK416 rifles were not brand new, they were ones that were in service and used.
JSOC SMU use HK416 rifles.
Again, resorting to personal attacks when wrong.

https://preview.redd.it/2j3...

@Mike You didn't win anything aside from the "pigeon chess and mental gymnastics award 2020" here, you got owned so thououghly even by yourself without realizing it it's just comicsl at this point.

@Mike Literally every entrant sumbitted out of the box rifles for the dust test which were compared to battle wirn rack grade M4A1s genius, you're literally just making s--t up to try and save face now and it's sad.

Hey, when me and uniform223 say "USASOC" or "SOCOM", are you you really too dense to realize that applies to "JSOC" too?

@No one Again ad hominem, resorting to personal attacks when wrong and have lost the argument.

@No one More ad hominem.
The HK416 rifles tested were not brand new out of the box , they were ones that were in service and used.
JSOC SMU use HK416 rifles.

@Mike Again you never won any argument, if anything you just made yourself look like an absolute fool who refuses to quit while he's massively behind.

Go look up what pigeon chess is, you're a true master of it.

@Mike Copy pasting your wrong statements don't make them true, sorry this is a difficult concept of someone with your intellect to grasp but reality doesn't work that way.

@No one More ad hominem.
Resorting to personal attacks when wrong and have lost the argument.

@Mike More copy paste from someone who couldn't back him up and is in full on delusion mode.

Don't worry, keep copy pasting like a bot and maybe you'll convince yourself you were right!

@No one Back who up?
You cant even talk about rifles, just personal attacks.