SILENCER SATURDAY #22: One Can To Rule Them All?

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by Pete

Good day fellow suppressor lovers. Thanks for joining us back here at Silencer Saturday, where internal volume is more important than external volume. In a moment we’ll talk about the mythical “One Can To Rule Them All” request that we often see from those looking to dip their toe into NFA waters. But first, a brief update on some projects underway:

  1. Metering: Although I’ve had success in setting up the meter I borrowed from the big brains at Allen Engineering, the rain has kept me from a comprehensive study of different silencers and barrel lengths. With any luck, I’ll get a solid day of use in the next week before the meter returns home. Which will hopefully include the ablative media comparison I proposed last year.
  2. Dynamic Defense Inc. Sierra 12.5 Inch  midlength gas barrel: Dynamic Defense was nice enough to allow us the use of one of their barrels for some recoil and gas blowback testing. We’ll put it up next to a MK18 barrel in terms of ejection port noise as well as decibel reductions at the muzzle.
  3. Rex Silentium: In for review is the Fidelis rifle silencer. It will be tested alongside some “industry standard” suppressors for features and noise reduction. So far it appears to be very well built.
  4. AMTAC Suppressors: Recently in for review from AMTAC is… a silencer. Once I confer with my FFL, I’ll put it on the review schedule and we should see it posted before the end of June.

I just wanted to keep you guys updated on what we have in the pipeline. As always, you can drop us a line at silencers@thefirearmblog.com for review requests, news tips or suggestions.

ONE CAN TO RULE THEM ALL?

My path to quiet freedom started with the purchase of a Liberty Suppressors Mystic. Actually, it started long before that with the airgun silencer equivalent – moderators – but I digress. The Mystic is 9mm monocore suppressor that can be disassembled for cleaning. It is rated for everything from .22LR to supersonic 7.62×39. And it’s pretty freaking quiet. A dream come true for a new owner looking to use one silencer to suppress multiple hosts. Right?

Well, almost. What many new customers want, One Silencer To Rule Them All, is one that will perform on a variety of different guns, hoping to save money and ATF transfer time frustrations. In the end, the “single silencer” philosophy might end up costing owners more money than if they had chosen the perfect silencer for one host, rather than an okay silencer for many hosts: the jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none motto.

Don’t get me wrong, I still think the Mystic is a great design and a solid performer. But it is big and heavy on a rimfire host, long with a booster on a centerfire pistol and underperforms on semiautomatic centerfire rifles due to barrel length restrictions. Where it shines is on pistol caliber carbines and my Ruger 77/357 bolt action .357 Magnum.

What I should have done is spent a little more money up front and picked out three “best in class” silencers up front: rimfire, pistol and a 5.56mm. (If you shoot .308, the 5.56 can be swapped for a 7.62). Instead of shoehorning one good suppressor for each gun in the safe, a better option is to pick great silencers for your most used hosts.

And as Brett mentions in the comments section below, adapters, mounts and piston assemblies can be costly, with some in the $100+ range. The cost savings of owning a single silencer really start to dwindle as the barrel mounting requirements increase.

So, while it’s great to chase decibels for that real ‘pew pew’ sound, other specifications may outweigh that ultimate noise reduction goal. Besides, 99% of all silencer owners own more than one model. That’s just a statistical fact.


NEW: JMac Customs

JMac Customs has got something new coming this week for the MP5K platform. Stay tuned. Seen here with the Dead Air Wolf (K Configuration) on select fire Zenith.

TFB Silencer Saturday: Midyear Review

With the unofficial beginning of summer upon us, I wanted to catch our readers up on the last six months of Silencer Saturday. They are all linked below in case you missed any.

TFB Quiet Time: Silencer Saturday Series – #1

All Quiet On The Western Front: TFB Silencer Saturday Series – #2

SHOT SHOW SNEAK PEEK: Silencer Saturday – #3

[SHOT 2018] Silencer Saturday – Out To One Mile Edition

Silencer Saturday #5 – Between The Baffles

Silencer Saturday #6 – The Quiet Man

SILENCER SATURDAY #7: The Sound Of Silence

SILENCER SATURDAY #8: Breaking The Sound Barriers

SILENCER SATURDAY #9: Demystifying The NFA Buying Process

SILENCER SATURDAY #10: Was There An NFA Trust Loophole?

SILENCER SATURDAY #11: Do You Want $500 NFA Tax Stamps?

SILENCER SATURDAY #12: Direct Thread Vs Quick Detach

SILENCER SATURDAY #13: Suppressed Pocket Pistols

SILENCER SATURDAY #14: Delta P Tames H&K’s MP7 And Sig’s Rattler

SILENCER SATURDAY #15: Putting Money In The Meter

SILENCER SATURDAY #16: Gas Regulation And You

SILENCER SATURDAY #17: Where Are Our Stamps?

SILENCER SATURDAY #18: MIL-STD & Commercial Suppressors

SILENCER SATURDAY #19: Suppressor Buyer’s Guide Part I

SILENCER SATURDAY #20: The Joy Of Suppressed Rimfire

SILENCER SATURDAY #21: Five Bucket List Suppressors


A district court in Idaho dismissed a lawsuit against Smith & Wesson this month alleging the gun maker squashed an international sales deal to avoid paying Gemini Technologies a cut worth millions.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Candy Dale said the suppressor manufacturer failed to prove why the case should be argued in Idaho instead of Delaware, as specified in an asset purchase agreement signed by both companies last year — a condition GemTech insists wasn’t binding. Read More @ Guns.com








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Published on May 27, 2018
This Saturday we were able to hit the range here at the house and ring some steel from H.I.T.S Targets. Its always fun to get out to the range and use the B&K 2209 with Hansohn Brother but sometimes its good to just sit back, enjoy the weather, company and sling some lead! Oh lets not forget ,cracking open a nice cold Root Beer!! In the line up was the YHM Turbo, Resonator, Bowers Vers30, & Silencer Co Harvestor.

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  • George S Young George S Young on Jun 04, 2018

    The closest thing I own to "One Can to Rule Them All" is the Griffin Optimus. .22 LR and 9mm in short mode, 5.56 to 300 Mag in long form. Great on Blackout. I like the taper lock system... I use high temp copper anti-seize on the muzzle mount threads and taper and don't have problems with anything getting stuck.

  • TheUnspoken TheUnspoken on Jun 04, 2018

    One thing I thought about bringing up, and it could probably be its own discussion, is silencer/host compatibility. There are a couple out of date websites where they tried to compare silencer models and hosts, like this AAC on a Sig 226, USP tactical, glock, etc, as even the same can may perform differently on different guns.

    I think right now we mostly look at a can for caliber, mount type and if it fits, we are good, pop a threaded barrel or qd brake on it and assume all is well, but I think there are lots of variables between your host, can, ammunition, etc. It might mean that supposedly quiet can you see on YouTube doesn't sound so good when your stamp finally clears. Or the blowback is excessive. Or the gun doesn't operate reliably, or requires modifications. Or the gun is damaged.

    I know there has been some arguing in the HK world about why your lifetime warranty could be invalidated if you use cans other than a knights or b&t on certain models like the USP or Mark 23. Why shouldn't my octane or oil can work? Maybe it will be fine, but if the gun wears out or is damaged by GroovyNewCan, who has to pay? But that extends to all hosts, really, just because the threads fit, will this cause other issues?

    Ultimately someone would have to pay the money to test and certify cans to hosts, and potentially warrant it if something didn't work. Otherwise we get to be the tester ourselves and pay for the problems ourselves.

    Not to get all political but it is hard to separate silencers from the NFA due to regulations and how they affect the market. Deregulation would have caused changes in silencer availablity and likely cost. The current desire for a one can to rule then all, for life, is no one wants to go through they process over and over and pay per stamp, wait, etc. So getting that multi use can, that will last forever is a value added.

    With deregulation, reduced prices and no wait, we might see Sig or Glock just bundling a can, either their own or a partner's, as a ready to go package. You can already get those package deals from SS or CA but it could be more mainstream if it just came in the box with your gun. Your gun shop AR or AK or hunting gun could have an appropriate, compatible can or integrated barrel, ready to go. Buy the system, rather the screw on (screw up?) extra parts that may fundamentally alter how the gun works.

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