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What I would carry at sea

Sebastian linked to this very interesting article about gun laws at sea.

Is it lawful to carry firearms?

This depends of several factors.

· Flag State your yacht is registered with.
· Area you are likely to operate in.
· Type of firearm.

If I were sailing around the world I would probably want to carry a pump action shotgun in 12 gauge and a bolt action rifle in a non military caliber such as 7mm-08 Rem., .260 Rem. or .270 Win.

Why?

Semi automatics are illegal or have various arbitrary restrictions in most of the world for civilians. At best it could be confiscated, at worst you could be fined or arrested.

Bolt actions are used all over the world and most countries will allow hunters or competition shooters to bring them into the country for sporting purposes. Military calibers are banned in some countries. Better to stick with something nobody is going to object to.

A removable magazine would be a plus and so would a stainless steel action and barrel. The Savage Weather Warrior Series Model 16FCSS in 7mm-08 would be my choice. It has a four round detachable magazine. I would be surprised if any countries has a problem with a four round magazine in a bolt action.

Some type of illuminated scope with quick detachable mounts and open sights would be a must.

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Savage Model 16FCSS

Next up, a shotgun. A semi-automatic would be out for the same reason as the rifle. I am pretty sure pump actions are illegal in the UK, so if I were stopping by there then that would not be an option. The alternatives such as a double barrel, bolt action or lever action shotgun do not seem to me to be a credible threat to a ship full of pirates.

I would go with the Mossberg Mariner. At most I would install a magazine extension. Pimping it out withe pistol grips, fore grip and detachable magazines would not be a good idea.

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Mossberg Mariner: A good idea.

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Mossberg Mariner: A bad idea.

Lastly a replica RPG might not be a bad idea! Many years ago I was watching something on TV about super yachts and there was a brief clip of police somewhere in world showing off a cache of weapons they confiscated from super yachts including what looked like an M72 LAW. I am sure the LAW was not real.

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Orange tipped replica.

My experience at sea is limited. I think the above would be good enough on small yacht. The aim really is to make it hard for pirates to come close while out maneuvering them.

I have traveled on very large cargo ships and defending them from pirates would be no different from defending a building.

What do you think about my ideas? Realistically what would you carry on the high seas?

Posted by Steve on Oct 10th 2008 | Filed in rifles, shotguns | Comments (7)

Saiga 12 SBS Photos

These photos are of a new Saiga 12 build. They were too pretty not to post.

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I really have got to get myself a Saiga 12.

More here.

Posted by Steve on Oct 8th 2008 | Filed in photos, shotguns | Comments (5)

MD-20: 20 round drum magazine for Saiga-12 shotgun

MD Arms have just started shipping their new 20 round drum magazines for the Siaga 12 shotgun. They cost $215 (+ $3 handling fee).

It look like they have only made enough to satisfy pre-orders and are now taking pre-orders for the second batch.

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Tromix Custom with Md-20 mag

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… now obsolete ;) This photo has been floating around
the internet for a while.

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Posted by Steve on Sep 15th 2008 | Filed in ammunition, shotguns | Comments (5)

Bullpup Saiga Shotgun

CenterFire Systems sell a Bullpup stock kit for AKs:

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The AK-47 Bullpup Stock has an overall length of 27″ and weighs 7 lbs. when installed on a rifle

Chibajoe at saiga-12.com installed it on his 20 gauge Saiga Shotgun.

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Very cool.

Posted by Steve on Aug 29th 2008 | Filed in shotguns | Comments (0)

New Leupold UltimateSlam

Leupold have launched a new scope called the UltimateSlam for shotguns and modern muzzleloaders. The SABR reticle can be adjusted to match your load.

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SABR: Sabot Ballistics Reticle

Leupold’s® all-new UltimateSlam™ riflescope is the ideal combination of flexibility, accuracy, and durability for today’s modern muzzleloaders and shotguns. As an example of accuracy, using Hornady SST 2-pellet, 3-pellet and 12 gauge shotgun loads at up to 300 yards, the maximum error of the UltimateSlam is less than 1″ as compared to a 14″ error from the leading competitor.

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UltimateSlam

More info here.

Posted by Steve on Aug 18th 2008 | Filed in hunting, misc | Comments (1)

Chinese reporters shot at police anti-gun briefing

This is hilarious, you just can’t make this stuff up (not of course for the poor guy who was shot). The BBC reports:

Three Chinese reporters attending a police briefing on the success of an anti-gun campaign were accidentally shot, media reports say.

An officer picked up one of the weapons on show - a confiscated home-made gun - but it went off in his hand.

A reporter needed surgery for injuries to his ankle, crotch and chest, after being hit by what appeared to be pebbles fired by the gun.

It was a homemade shotgun designed for birds. UPDATE: Actually it was a homemade double barreled pistol shotgun!

I think if anyone needs guns confiscated it is the Chinese police. Stay clear of them if you are attending the Olympics ;)

The classic policeman-discharging-his-pistol-in-a-classroom video shows incredible lack of safety but it is even more unbelievable that nobody checked to ensure the gun was unloaded between confiscating it, processing it, storing it and then displaying it to the media.

More here.

UPDATE: I found a photo of the gun at china.org.cn

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Very cool. A double barreled pistol!

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Other guns that were on display. Those looks like Norinco pistols.

Posted by Steve on Jul 19th 2008 | Filed in handguns, news, shotguns | Comments (2)

Cowtown Cop’s Winchester Shotgun Project

Cowtown Cop, a relatively new gun blogger, wrote about his conversion of a beat up Winchester 1200 into a very cool green gun.

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Lots of high res photos and information on the project on the blog.

Posted by Steve on Jul 18th 2008 | Filed in shotguns | Comments (0)

Accurate Slug Shooting Made Easy

[Editor: This is the first post by Michigan Slugger]

After 20 years of shooting about every brand of sabot slug out there, our group of four has 2 favorite slugs we shoot. So far the best we have found for accuracy and power with our 12 ga. slug guns is the Winchester Platinum Tip-1700 fps and the Remington Solid Copper, 1450 fps- all 2  3/4 inch shells. We use Remington 870, Browning BPS and  Browning Gold shotguns shooting cantilevered rifled barrels only-1 in 28″ twist. 1 1/2- 2″ groups is the norm at 100 yds.  3-4″ groups at 150yds. are the norm.

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These groups are shot with very little wind. Do not shoot in windy conditions because you will get inconclusive results and for the fact these shells are expensive! We sight in 2″ high at 50yd. , which will put these slugs at about 2″ high at 100 yd. 150 yd groups will be 2-4″ low. For 150 yd. zero sight in 2.5″ high at 100yd. Both these sabot slug brands shoot to about same point of aim

Most people should forget about 200 yd shots because of wind deflection , poor rest setup, and inability to judge distance. We shoot 3 shot groups because  barrel  heat  will spread groups out after 3 shots. Shoot in weather below 60 degrees. Wait 10-15 minutes between groups. Recheck groups in cold weather when it gets close to deer season. Slugs can shoot a little lower in extreme cold.

Some of us are going to a custom 1-26″ twist barrel and then we should be able to shoot 1800-2000fps slugs more accurate. Only thing is , you get considerably more recoil which I detest.  Our 1 in 28″ twist barrels are factory barrels made by Browning and Remington. Hastings barrels are 1 in 34″ twist. They seem to shoot Hastings and Lightfield slugs much better which are medium velocity and use a heavier slug . These slugs also use a special wad for stability down range.

Winchester Platinum Tip slugs are 400 gr. and Remington  Copper Solids are 438 gr. You will get very good expansion at all ranges up to 150 yds. I feel you lose too much velocity and energy at 200 yds to get good knock down power . Use 1900-2000 fps. slugs for shooting beyond 150 yds. They will expand better and produce more energy at 200 yds.  I particularly like Remington Solid Copper sabot slugs-1450 fps. in 2  3/4″ and 1550 fps. in 3″ slug. They have enough power and acceptable recoil. Also, they are faster on 2 nd. and 3 rd. shots because the barrel does not rise much after each shot.

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Only shoot 1800-2000 fps slugs if you can tolerate recoil and muzzle blast, have a heavy gun, have a very good recoil pad, or heavy muzzle blast does not bother your ears. These high velocity slugs will cause your barrel to rise considerably. Wear ear protection on the bench for all slug shooting and especially for high velocity slugs.

Our preference for slugs  comes from 4 people  after hundreds of shots on the range over a period of 20 years. Other people may get different results with their guns.  Every gun is different and you must shoot various sabot slugs out of your gun to determine the best for you. Start with the slugs I suggested as a starting point. Buy 1 box of Winchester Platinum Tips and 1 box of Remington Solid Copper and find which one shoots the best out of your barrel. If you are recoil intolerant , go with 2  3/4″ Rem. Solid Copper, providing this slug shoots good out of your gun. This shell is a pleasure  to shoot.

Weaver Grand Slam and Bushnell Elite are two good scopes I can recommend for slug hunting. We have used these with good results. Some scopes are not meant for slug hunting and can not take the punishment. Try to use a premium scope and not the cheap ones. Cheap scopes will lead to erratic results with your groups. They will not hold point of impact. The crosshairs will shift after shooting, leading to frustration on your part because you will be unable to get decent groups. You will end up with fliers. You might as well have a good scope because you will pay for it in shell cost. If you are having problems grouping slugs, try a different scope before buying different brands of slugs. Check screw tightness and make sure you have good rings. Buy a premium scope that can take the punishment of slug shooting. Slugs can generate 35-45 ft.lbs. of recoil. Call a scope manufacturer about the models that can take slug shooting.

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Bushnell 1.5-6×36 Elite 4200 Shotgun Scope

We also use Leupold  PRW scope  rings on our cantilever barrels. We strongly urge you to use cantilever barrels because the scope comes off with the barrel and is sighted in for the barrel. Otherwise if you mount to the receiver and take off the barrel you will have to resight in each time. Not good.  Do not use cheap rings. Use rings that have 2 screws on each side for a total of 4 screws for better holding power. Check screw tightness on rings and bases before each season. Slugs produce a lot of recoil and will loosen screws.

We use a 3 legged portable rest mounted on a plywood platform with a bag of shot mounted on the platform for recoil absorption. It slides back about an inch when the gun is fired thereby taking up recoil. We just sit behind the rest and look through the scope, but we do not put our shoulder into the gun.  The rest takes up all the recoil, so we don’t have to!  When sighting in fire one shot at 25yd.  Move crosshairs to center of hole in target while not moving shotgun. Slug gun will now be centered dead on at 25 yds. Use a friend to move scope adjustments while you hold gun  steady . You must hold gun absolutely steady! This will sight gun close to where it should be. Readjust at 50yd. This sight in method will save you a lot of expense due to the high price of these slugs.

Scrub out bore with a good solvent that takes out plastic residue from sabots along with gunpowder. Use a brush and rags to do this. Finish up with rubbing alcohol on a rag to take out all residue. Failure to do this will lead to plastic build up which will lead to inaccuracy. I hope this helps you slug shooters that are having problems with your shotgun or with your slugs.

Posted by michigan.slugger on Apr 4th 2008 | Filed in ammunition, shotguns | Comments (3)

Home made five barrel shotgun

Xavier has a write of an an amazing five barrel shotgun made in Czechoslovakia.

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Looks like a similar concept as the Winchester Liberator and Colt Defender

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Eight barreled 20 gauge
Colt Defender Mark 1

Read it here.

Posted by Steve on Mar 30th 2008 | Filed in shotguns | Comments (5)

New Browning: Cynergy Classic Trap 12 guage

Filed under “guns I cannot afford”: Browning has a new trap shotgun. It comes in 32″ or 30″ models.

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Price: $4,942.00

The press release is after the jump.

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Posted by Steve on Mar 28th 2008 | Filed in shotguns | Comments (0)

Shooting Clays … with bigger guns and bigger clays

Hat Tip Traction Control

Posted by Steve on Mar 3rd 2008 | Filed in machine guns, shotguns | Comments (0)

Shot gunning from a tank: M1028

The M1028 is a 120mm shotgun shell for the M1 tank. The shell holds 1100 10mm tungsten balls. They are apparently lethal up to 700m (765 yards). Here is a video of the shell being fired in slow motion. It shows the shot breaking the sound barrier and the shot pattern (H/T to Sebastian).

I tried to calculate the weight of each ball. It depends on how pure the balls are. My calculations, based on a company that makes tungsten balls that weigh 18 grams per cm3, indicate that each ball will weigh about 145 grains. That is a combined weight of 159,500 grains / 10 kilograms / 22.8 pounds!

(4/3) x pie x 0.5cm ^ 3 = 0.52 cm3
0.52 * 18 = 9.42 grams (145 grains)

Please correct me if I am wrong.

The requirements of the round were:

  • Defeat >50% Advancing Squad w/ 1 Shot
  • Defeat >50% Advancing Platoon w/ 2 Shots
  • 200-500M (threshold)/100-700M (objective)
  • Muzzle Action (i.e. No Fuze)
  • No orientation of the projectile
  • Vulnerability no worse than current fielded

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The M1028 cross section.

Here is a before and after shot taking during the testing of the round. I am not sure of the range.

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Two dummies survived, the wall did not.

The concept of shot is not new. Grape shot or loose stones, metal and glass have been used for as long as cannons have.

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American Revolution grapeshot

Sources of information:

M1028 - GARM Final (PDF)
Military.com
PSMVCC (PDF)
JinJu Powder Metallurgy

Posted by Steve on Feb 29th 2008 | Filed in ammunition, military, photos, video | Comments (14)

Beautiful short barrel shotgun

Steve over at Subguns.com posted photos of his side by side 12 guage SBS.

Started out as a project last fall. Bought a Remington Spartan Gun Works side by side 12ga w/external hammers (love those). Posted here about who was good for converting as an SBS. Got an e-mail from Chuck Smyder at LRM in Florida. We discussed what I’d liek to have done and sent it to him. In the mean time I got the idea to have the side plates and trigger guard color case hardened, sooooooo I found a guy in Montana who uses cyanide instead of charcoal (side plates too thin for charcoals heat). Had Chuck send him the parts.

While that was being done, Chuck shortened the barrels, filled in the void in between, installed the oversize ivory bead and applied a beautiful job of molycoating to the metal. This is what I’m getting back…..

Wow! This shotgun is amazing. Click to expand the images.

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More info here.

Hat Tip: Says Uncle

Posted by Steve on Feb 28th 2008 | Filed in photos, shotguns | Comments (6)

Rossi Youth Matched Pair Set in a matte nickel finish

Rossi have launched a new youth matched pair rifle with a matte nickel finish.

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It comes in a .17HMR/.410 and .22LR/.410 versions.

New for 2008 Rossi is excited to offer a popular Matched Pair Set in a matte nickel finish. The set includes a .17 HMR or .22 LR rifle barrel with adjustable fiber optic front sights and .410 gauge shotgun barrel with brass bead front sights.

Ideal for first-time hunters, this Matched Pair is the perfect gun for varmint hunting or a fun day at the range. The package ships with a custom carrying case and dual-purpose strap. In addition the rifle barrel is drilled and tapped to hold the included scope mount base and hammer extension.

The Rossi Matched Pair line has set the standard for 2-barrel guns. The combination long gun package in unequalled, having been recognized as the best “youth-size” gun. Rossi starts with one of its popular single shot rifles, then hand fits a shotgun barrel to create the Matched Pair. The result is a highly reliable rifle with adjustable fiber optic sights and a button rifled barrel for enhanced accuracy, which quickly swaps barrels to become the favorite shotgun.

Ever since I first used a Rossi rifle I have been meaning to get one. In my opinion they look great and I love the simplicity.

Posted by Steve on Feb 23rd 2008 | Filed in rifles, shotguns | Comments (1)

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