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		<title>Has China developed a PDW based on the QBZ-95?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[UPDATE: I was wrong. This is the QBZ-95B (The sailors white gloves are covering the barrel).

Earlier this month there was a huge military parade celebrating the 60th anniversary of People's Republic of China. I was astounded to see a photo from the event of what appears to be a sub-carbine version of the QBZ-95 being [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>UPDATE</strong>: I was wrong. This is the QBZ-95B (The sailors white gloves are covering the barrel).</p>

<p>Earlier this month there was a huge military parade celebrating the 60th anniversary of People's Republic of China. I was astounded to see a photo from the event of what appears to be a sub-carbine version of the QBZ-95 being carried by Chinese sailors.</p>

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<p>To the best of my knowledge the existence of this weapon has never been reported. The barrel is definetly shorter than the 14.5" of the QBZ-95B (Carbine) that was developed for use in the Navy. I suspect the sub-carbine / PDW has a 10" or 11" barrel.</p>

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      <span class='image_caption' style='font-style:italic; width:100%; text-align:center; display:block;margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;'>QBZ-95B Carbine. Photo from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QBZ-95">Wikipedia</a>.</span>
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<p>Has anyone here heard of a QBZ-95 PDW?</p>

<p>Thanks to Caleb for sending me the link to the <a href="http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=152513&#038;page=55">Chinese parade photos</a>.</p>
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		<title>DSEi 09: New design HK416 Sub-Carbine</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another new gun on display at DSEi was this H&#038;K HK416 sub-carbine / PDW. What is very interesting about this gun is the buttstock and upper receiver design.

It has a much shortened buffer tube and a collapsible stock in the H&#038;K G3 / MP5 style.

This firearm appears to be positioned in direct competition to the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another new gun on display at DSEi was this H&#038;K HK416 sub-carbine / PDW. What is very interesting about this gun is the buttstock and upper receiver design.</p>

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      <span class='image_caption' style='font-style:italic; width:100%; text-align:center; display:block;margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;'> New H&#038;K Sub-Carbine </span>
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<p>It has a much shortened buffer tube and a collapsible stock in the H&#038;K G3 / MP5 style.</p>

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<p>This firearm appears to be positioned in direct competition to the <a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/12/colts-new-ar-15-firearms/">Sub-Compact Weapon (SCW)</a> that Colt is developing. The SCW features a similarly shortened buffer tube.</p>

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      <span class='image_caption' style='font-style:italic; width:100%; text-align:center; display:block;margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;'>Colt SCW. Photo by SMGLee.</span>
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<p>I think the H&#038;K design is much more elegant. The H&#038;K stock pull straight out, while the Colt stock must be unfolded out and then down before it can be adjusted for length.</p>

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      <span class='image_caption' style='font-style:italic; width:100%; text-align:center; display:block;margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;'> A close-up of the H&#038;K Stock. </span>
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<p>Now if H&#038;K would just stop hating us and start selling this nifty upper to us civilians!</p>

<p>Big thank you to Lusaka for the information and photo.</p>

<p><strong>UPDATE</strong>:</p>

<p><a href="http://remov.pl/">REMOV</a> has kindly provided me with these photos that he took of the new H&#038;K. The gun has a 9.3" barrel.</p>

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<p>Many thanks REMOV!</p>
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		<title>SIG516: Sig Sauer enters the AR-15 market!</title>
		<link>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[You saw it here first! I had no idea that Sig Sauer were making AR-15 / M16 rifles but my DSEi spy spotted this prototype SIG516 1 PDW at the DSEi 09 expo. It features a 7" barrel, putting it firmly in the PDW class, and chambers the 5.56mm NATO.

I do not know if Sig [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You saw it here first! I had no idea that Sig Sauer were making AR-15 / M16 rifles but my DSEi spy spotted this prototype <strong>SIG516</strong> <sup id="fnref:1"><a href="#fn:1" rel="footnote">1</a></sup> PDW at the DSEi 09 expo. It features a 7" barrel, putting it firmly in the PDW class, and chambers the 5.56mm NATO.</p>

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      <span class='image_caption' style='font-style:italic; width:100%; text-align:center; display:block;margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;'>Markings indicate manufacture at the Sig Sauer plant in Exeter, NH, USA </span>
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<p>I do not know if Sig plan on a civilian carbine version. If they did it would compete directly with their Sig 550 line of <a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/11/20/new-sig-556-classic-550-clone/">full length</a> and <a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/16/sig-556-sbr/">short barreled rifles</a>.</p>

<p>UPDATE: jcmiller points out that the lower receiver is semi-automatic. A production PDW would have to be fully automatic. Maybe Sig are thinking of civilian sales.</p>

<p><strong>UPDATE</strong>:</p>

<p>The SIG516 Tactical Rifle line has three different models:</p>

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<li>SIG516 PDW : 7" barrel. A personal defense weapon (pictured above).</li>
<li>SIG516 CQB : 10" barrel. A Colt M4 Commando equvelent.</li>
<li>SIG516 BASELINE CARBINE : 14.5" barrel. A M4 Carbine equvelent.</li>
<li>SIG516 Patrol. 16" barrel.</li>
<li>SIG516 Tactical Marksman: 16" barrel A squad level sniper / designated marksmen rifle.</li>
<li>SIG516 Precision Marksman: 20" barrel. Possibly a true sniper rifle, or designated marksmen rifle.</li>
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<p>They are all piston operated and feature an adjustable gas regulator like the <a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/05/16/ruger-sr-556-ar-15-has-arrived/">Ruger SR-556</a>.</p>

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  <td>single shot, 3 round burst and fully automatic (except marksmen models which are semi only)</td>
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  <td>Ambidextrous</td>
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  <td>piston system with 3 or 4 position gas regulator</td>
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  <td>black hard coat finish</td>
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  <td>chrome lined, cold hammer forged, nitrate finish</td>
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  <td>1:7" right hand</td>
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  <td>collapsible SOPMOD buttstock</td>
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  <td>6 lbs. (PDW) - 7.28 lbs (Patrol) - 8 lbs (Precision Marksman)</td>
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  <td>Free floating aluminum alloy M1913 picatinny quad rails</td>
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  <td>flip-up BUIS (backup iron sights)</td>
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  <td>Ships with 30 round AR-15 magazine. Marksmen models ship with 10 or 20 round magazine.</td>
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  <td>0.5x28TPI threaded muzzle</td>
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  <td>not known</td>
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<p>Upper receiver assemblies will be sold. Just before anyone gets their hopes up, while it is likely that Sig will sell civilians models, this has not been confirmed.</p>

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<p>Big thank you to Lusaka for the information and photos.</p>

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<p>SIG 5<strong>16</strong> as in M<strong>16</strong> ... get it?&#160;<a href="#fnref:1" rev="footnote">&#8617;</a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The latest addition to the XCR Weapons System is a pistol variant.

The pistol is based on the XCR Personal Defense Weapon and comes in Mini (9&#8243; barrel) and Micro (7.5&#8243; barre, pictured abovel) versions. Calibers offered are 5.56mm, 6.8 SPC and 7.62&#215;39mm.
The price is $1500. This is the same as the XCR PDW, but it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest addition to the XCR Weapons System is a pistol variant.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/XCR-Pistol-Micro.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/XCR-Pistol-Micro.jpg','popup','width=1000+20,height=534+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/XCR-Pistol-Micro-tm.jpg" height="213" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="Xcr-Pistol-Micro" title="" longdesc="" /></a></p>
<p>The pistol is based on the <a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/05/05/robinson-arms-xcr-pdw/">XCR Personal Defense Weapon</a> and comes in Mini (9&#8243; barrel) and Micro (7.5&#8243; barre, pictured abovel) versions. Calibers offered are 5.56mm, 6.8 SPC and 7.62&#215;39mm.</p>
<p>The price is $1500. This is the same as the XCR PDW, but it does not require a BATFE stamp of $200 because unlike the PDW, it is not a SBR (Short Barreled Rifle).</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[SayUncle spotted this ad for a SIG 556 Short Barreled Rifle. What is very interesting is that the rifles being sold by Manchester Firing Line are factory manufactured, not conversions of the standard rifles.

SIG 556 Short Barreled Rifle

Although the price is steep at $3,495, Sig 556 Reviews notes that SBRs conversions are popular with the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.saysuncle.com">SayUncle</a> spotted <a href="http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&amp;website=&amp;language=&amp;session_key=&amp;search_and_display_db_button=on&amp;results_format=long&amp;db_id=15364&amp;query=retrieval#">this ad</a> for a SIG 556 Short Barreled Rifle. What is very interesting is that the rifles being sold by <a href="http://www.gunsnh.com/">Manchester Firing Line</a> are factory manufactured, not conversions of the standard rifles.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/classifieds-upload-nfafirearms153644.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/classifieds-upload-nfafirearms153644.jpg','popup','width=640+20,height=480+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/classifieds-upload-nfafirearms153644-tm.jpg" height="300" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt=" Classifieds Upload Nfafirearms.15364.4" title="" longdesc="" /></a><br />
<em>SIG 556 Short Barreled Rifle<br />
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<p>Although the price is steep at $3,495, <a href="http://www.sig556reviews.com/2009/06/14/factory-sig-556-sbr-released/">Sig 556 Reviews notes </a>that SBRs conversions are popular with the Sig crowd:</p>
<blockquote><p>The P556 has definitely been popular with the SBR crowd so its good too see that Sig Sauer is paying attention and grabbing some of this pie by jumping into the NFA market.  There have been a few post’s on the SigArms556 forum about people with P556 SBR’s that have had customer service issues (Sig basically coming back saying theiy voided they’re warranty)</p></blockquote>
<p>Gun writer and SBR enthusiast Bob Boyd is <a href="http://www.gunsandhunting.com/forum/index.php?autocom=blog&amp;blogid=5&amp;showentry=404">currently building</a> his own Sig SBR and modeling it after the Sig 552 Commando Carbine. The Commando is probably better classified as a PDW (Personal Defense Weapon), than a Short Barrel Rifle.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/stgw-90-kurz.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/stgw-90-kurz.jpg','popup','width=719+20,height=286+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/stgw-90-kurz-tm.jpg" height="159" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="Stgw 90 Kurz" title="" longdesc="" /></a><br />
<em>8.9&#8243; barrel Swiss Army Stgw 90 kurz aka. </em><em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_SG_550">Sig 552</a></em><em> Commando Carbine.</em><em><br />
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<p>I am looking forward to seeing Bob&#8217;s rifle when it is completed.</p>
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		<title>CZ Skorpion EVO III</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CZ have introduced a new 9mm submachine gun called the Skorpion EVO III. Contrary to what the name suggests, it shares no heritage with the classic CZ Škorpion vz. 61 subgun. 

CZ&#8217;s 2009 military weapon line up. 
Since the 1993 split of Czechoslovakia into the Slovak Republic and the Czech Republic, the Slovakian arms industry [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.czub.cz/">CZ</a> have introduced a new 9mm submachine gun called the Skorpion EVO III. Contrary to what the name suggests, it shares no heritage with the classic CZ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0korpion_vz._61">Škorpion vz. 61</a> subgun. </p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/letak-web.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/letak-web.jpg','popup','width=500+20,height=354+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/letak-web-tm.jpg" height="283" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="Letak Web" title="" longdesc="" /></a><br />
CZ&#8217;s 2009 military weapon line up. </p>
<p>Since the 1993 split of Czechoslovakia into the Slovak Republic and the Czech Republic, the Slovakian arms industry has gone<a href="http://www.spectator.sk/articles/view/27181/2/"> into decline</a> and is now only a shadow of its former self. The fact that the Czech arms industry is doing well seems to be a source of irritation to the Slovak government. </p>
<p>The Skorpion EVO appears to be a cosmetic update to the Laugo LG 205 submachine gun that was designed by a Slovakian firm sometime in the last decade. They must have been unsuccessful in generating interest in the product and appear to have sold the design to CZ.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/slovak-arms.png" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/slovak-arms.png','popup','width=686+20,height=644+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/slovak-arms-tm.jpg" height="375" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="Slovak Arms" title="" longdesc="" /></a><br />
<em>From the excellent site </em><em><a href="http://hk.geocities.com/guncobook/Index.html">Small Arms Illustrated</a></em><em>.</em><em><br />
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<p>I know very little about the gun other than it is chambered in 9mm Luger / Parabellum, made of  lightweight polymer and has all the picatinny rails you could want. </p>
<p>CZ are marketing it as a PDW (<a href="http://www.personaldefenceweapons.com//index.htm">Personal Defense Weapon</a>), although I cannot see any feature that distinguish it from any other 9mm submachine gun. You can see in the top image that they have given it the same stock and pistol grip as the <a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/05/11/cz-s805-rifle-coming-to-a-store-near-you-maybe/">new CZ S 805 rifle</a>, which their marketing department are using as a selling point. </p>
<p>It will be interesting to see what becomes of this gun. At one point the designer (I have no idea who designed it, despite an hour and half of research) had it on display with a thumbhole stock and carbine length barrel. Personally I think it would have a great 9mm civilian carbine.</p>
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		<title>A summary of infantry rifle caliber discussions and relevant wound ballistics</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[ This article was written by Sven Ortmann of Personal Defence Weapons Central, an excellent small arms resource. ]
by Sven Ortmann, lastdingo@gmx.de, 2008-01-05
There are too many misleading anecdotes and rumors about military rifle calibers floating in the air (and in the WWW). This short article is meant to help readers with a presentation of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>[ This article was written by Sven Ortmann of </em><em><a href="http://www.personaldefenceweapons.com//index.htm">Personal Defence Weapons Central</a></em>, <em>an excellent small arms resource</em>.<em> ]</p>
<p>by Sven Ortmann, </em><em><a href="mailto:lastdingo@gmx.de">lastdingo@gmx.de</a></em><span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:10pt;">,</span><em> 2008-01-05</p>
<p>There are too many misleading anecdotes and rumors about military rifle calibers floating in the air (and in the WWW). This short article is meant to help readers with a presentation of the results of my secondary source research on the rifle caliber discussion and terminal (wound) ballistics.</p>
<p></em><strong>Caliber: 9&#215;19 mm and .45ACP (= 11.43&#215;23mm)</strong></p>
<p>This is the standard NATO caliber for pistols and a popular caliber for submachineguns. The only ones who seem to have a strong dislike for this caliber seem to be those U.S. Americans who continue to compare it with .45ACP.</p>
<p>The U.S. American problems with the 9&#215;19mm caliber seem to include a mix of emotions (a Colt M1911 in .45ACP feels much more powerful) and poor quality of the U.S. standard issue 9mm pistols. The latter is as far as I know more a magazine production quality problem than a pistol design problem. The origin of .45ACP is said to lie in combat experience around 1900 in the Philippines where determined Philippinos weren&#8217;t stopped reliably by smaller revolver calibers. Tests on live animals in 1904 showed better effects for heavier bullets, but little improvement with velocity. Bullet design has improved a lot since then, and hollowpoint bullets that flatten their nose in soft tissue to increase their diameter are much more effective than simple soft lead bullets. A good 9mm bullet enjoys a similar advantage over a .45ACP soft lead bullet than the latter over a 9mm soft lead bullet. There&#8217;s a fundamental problem, though: There&#8217;s not much difference in effect on the target if you hit the wrong places and the permanent cavities of pistol bullets are all relatively small. Many body parts are simply not essential enough &#8211; their destruction doesn&#8217;t stop a determined opponent immediately; no matter whether you hit with .45ACP or 9&#215;19mm.<br />
<span id="more-4064"></span>A new procurement of pistols could easily be a significant improvement over existing 9&#215;19mm service pistols, though. A new pistol could be designed to use reliably both standard 9&#215;19mm and “hot” 9&#215;19mm loadings (higher pressure). The latter would give some extra punch, especially extra penetration. A further improvement is possible by procurement of better bullets. The Russians have a 9mm semi-jacketed exposed steel core bullet that combines AP effect (hard core) with a hollow-point effect (outer parts of the bullets deform and effectively increase the bullet diameter in soft tissue). Such a bullet has enough penetration capability against a combination of a full pouch and a light kevlar vest. An improvement of pistol accuracy is probably more pressing than the caliber; some sort of shoulder stock and easily visible sights (large iron sights as usual on revolvers, for example) could help.</p>
<p><strong>Caliber: 5.56&#215;45mm NATO</strong></p>
<p>This caliber is at the center of a great and long-lasting controversy. Its opponents call it a varmint caliber and report firefights with multiple hits on the same opponent without satisfactory effect. They compare this caliber very often to the supposedly more effective 7.62&#215;51mm caliber. More about that in the 7.62 chapter. Another problem with 5.56&#215;45mm is its rather unsatisfactory ability to penetrate wooden or wall covers. A dissatisfaction with the standard service rifles/carbines of both the USA and the UK (the British solved their problems with an extensive upgrade) and the use of rather short barrels in the U.S. M4 carbine add to the problems with 5.56&#215;45mm.</p>
<p>The defenders of the caliber remind us that even mutilating wounds by much larger calibers and even explosive warheads cannot reliably stop a determined opponent.</p>
<p>The most terrible problem in the 5.56&#215;45mm caliber discussion is the use of anecdotes. Different barrels, ranges and hit locations produce very different effects, so you will always find anecdotes to support your position on this caliber &#8211; no matter what&#8217;s your position.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s (apparently especially in Germany) a stupid rumor about 5.56&#215;45mm and rifle calibers in general that tells about a nervous shock that can kill even with only small injuries. It&#8217;s nonsense. A short primer on rifle/carbine bullets; they behave differently in soft tissue than most pistol bullets. They don&#8217;t move straight through the tissue all the way. Instead, they begin to turn and usually exit bottom forward. Some bullets break up under the stress of this turn, and the fragmentation increases the destruction of soft tissue very much. A turning bullet doesn&#8217;t create a permanent cavity of much greater diameter than its own length; a disintegrating bullet can create a much, much larger permanent cavity.</p>
<p>The ideal rifle/carbine bullet looks like this; it&#8217;s able to penetrate cover/armor, it begins to turn in soft tissue immediately and it disintegrates into fragments with devastating effect in soft tissue (terminal ballistics). Good sectional density and ballistic coefficient are important for a good effective range (external ballistics). Finally, some people want it to be lead-free to protect the environment and save costs on shooting range maintenance.</p>
<p>So what does a 5.56&#215;45mm bullet really do? Answer; it depends.</p>
<p>The differences between 5.56mm bullets are noteworthy in terms of cover penetration (heavier is better), but all seem to share a rather disappointing &#8220;performance&#8221; in soft tissue. The bullet begins to turn later than desired. This means that frontal hits on skinny opponents are often not very effective because the most destructive part &#8211; the turning and possible fragmentation &#8211; happens too late (the 180° turn isn&#8217;t completed before exit).</p>
<p>The other problem in soft tissue is fragmentation. Fragmentation is necessary to achieve a good deal of damage with the small bullet. This requires a good impact velocity and appropriate bullet design. Short-barrelled weapons don&#8217;t accelerate the bullet to the originally intended velocity, and the velocity drops rapidly with the distance. 5.56&#215;45mm fired from carbines like the M4 carbine produce very little if any fragmentation in soft tissue at distances greater than about 50-100m.</p>
<p>Carbines and assault rifles should be effective to at least 300m, squad sharpshooters (also known as Designated Marksmen) and light machinegunners should be highly effective out to 400m with good effect. 5.56&#215;45mm doesn&#8217;t offer much effect in soft tissue at many relevant ranges unless fired from long barrelled weapons. Barrel lengths of at least 18&#8243; or at the very least 16&#8243; are often recommended. The original M16 assault rifle and many other assault rifle with this caliber have a barrel length of 20&#8243; while the M4 carbine has only a 14.5&#8243; barrel.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s apparently not much potential for improvement in the 5.56&#215;45mm caliber: Heavy bullets for improved cover penetration and long barrels for reliable fragmentation seem to be somewhat successful approaches.</p>
<p><strong>Caliber: PDW cartridges (5.7&#215;28mm and 4.6&#215;30mm)<br />
</strong><br />
These calibers share the same problems as 5.56&#215;45mm, just even more so (they don&#8217;t seem to break up at all).</p>
<p>The short story is like this: Weapons in these calibers are easily controlled in full auto fire due to the low impulse of the cartridges (light bullets). The individual bullets don&#8217;t do much to soft tissue (but more than you would tolerate in your own soft tissue).</p>
<p>The strength of these calibers is the higher hit probability (especially for ill-trained support troops) in comparison to 9&#215;19mm and .45ACP. The higher hit count might make up for the lesser effect of individual bullets. A one-vs-one comparison of the wound ballistic effects is therefore misleading. More hits also add to the chance of hitting something really vital.</p>
<p>There are other, less well-known calibers for PDWs (personal defence weapons) than these two. Some use larger calibers, but they&#8217;re likely all either similar to my description of pistol or PDW caliber wound ballistics.</p>
<p><strong>Caliber: 7.62&#215;51mm NATO<br />
</strong><br />
This is another NATO standard caliber (forced on NATO by the USA against a clearly superior British design). It has been replaced as assault rifle caliber by 5.56&#215;45mm almost completely and was never a carbine caliber. 7.62&#215;51mm is still very widespread as machinegun caliber in NATO armies and is also in use with some sniper/sharpshooter rifles.</p>
<p>The caliber was too powerful for controllable assault rifle full auto fire (well, controllability in bursts was OK within hand grenade range). The cartridges are quite heavy and it&#8217;s difficult to carry many of them into action; a major disadvantage for suppressive fires unless you need to suppress enemies who are behind light cover.</p>
<p>The penetration of cover is usually satisfactory, but armor penetration isn&#8217;t very good for the simple reason that almost all gunshields, armored vehicles and even some heavy body armor were designed to withstand this caliber and its Russian counterpart, 7.62&#215;54mmR. Only expensive SLAP cartridges (saboted light armor penetrating, performance in soft tissue) have a very good penetration capability at short and medium range.</p>
<p>The external ballistics are under criticism for sniping and more powerful calibers (.300WinMag, .338LapuaMag, 9.3&#215;64mm and even .50BMG, for example) with less bullet drop and less wind sensitivity have become important in sniper rifle procurement since the 90&#8217;s.</p>
<p>7.62&#215;51mm is often being attributed with a huge and rarely questioned power against soft targets; knockdown power, manstopping power &#8211; no matter how they call it. 7.62&#215;51mm is usually presented as the good example in comparison to 5.56mm. This is &#8211; at least for U.S.-made 7.62&#215;51mm standard service cartridges &#8211; not fully justified. There are significant differences in penetration till the turning movement begins and in fragmentation. The U.S.-made (standard issue) 7.62 bullets aren&#8217;t that much better than 5.56mm bullets (if better at all). They penetrate deeply before turning and don&#8217;t fragment much.</p>
<p>There have been much superior (at least in fragmentation) bullets in service (like the German ones) and there&#8217;s also a 7.62&#215;51mm cartridge/bullet design that fulfills all expectations for soft tissue damage; it begins to turn and fragment very quickly and has a reliable and devastating effect on soft tissue.</p>
<p>Again; you won&#8217;t necessarily stop a determined enemy from firing at you if you don&#8217;t hit the right spots &#8211; no matter what rifle ammunition you use.</p>
<p><strong>Caliber: .50BMG (= 12,7&#215;99mm NATO)<br />
</strong><br />
This caliber is widespread and has loyal fans in the USA and also elsewhere, but it wasn&#8217;t adopted in some NATO forces and has some drawbacks.</p>
<p>It was originally a tank-penetrating caliber for machine guns (M2 Browning, later M2HB). Similar cartridges were used during the World Wars by anti-tank rifles (which were only able to penetrate light armor plates). Tanks got thicker armor plating by the mid-1930&#8217;s, leaving only light armored vehicles and certain vulnerable spots on heavier armored vehicles as vulnerable to .50BMG. This application has been revived in the 1980&#8217;s for long-range and &#8220;anti-material&#8221; sniping.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no very lively discussion about this caliber in the public. Attempts to replace it focused on intermediate sniping cartridges for long-range and armor-penetrating sniping (like .338LapuaMag), 40&#215;54mm HE cartridges for automatic grenade launchers that replaced many M2HB (.50BMG) machine guns on vehicles and finally a high-tech 25mm air-burst HE cartridge in the failed OCSW program.</p>
<p>The primary problems of .50BMG are weight and volume. Both ammunition and weapon are much bigger than their 7.62&#215;51mm counterparts. The ammunition supply for a .50BMG is usually very small in comparison to the 7.62&#215;51mm alternative. .50BMG is also too heavy for dismounted machine gun use on the move; it can be done (with a tripod), but the effort isn&#8217;t justified in most situations.</p>
<p>This caliber is probably only justified if the extra penetration is really necessary. One example: Reconnaissance vehicles need to be able to take on enemy reconnaissance vehicles which are usually armored against 7.62&#215;51mm AP, so something heavier is desirable even for the lightest recce vehicles.</p>
<p>An intermediate machine gun caliber close to the .338LapuaMag sniper cartridge could match the utility of .50BMG in most situations with significantly more ammunition for the same weight and volume.</p>
<p>Both .50BMG and 7.62&#215;51mm are quite well-established and not much under criticism, so there&#8217;s no good reason to expect a new, intermediate caliber standard for machine guns.</p>
<p><strong>Ideal caliber discussions</strong></p>
<p>The &#8220;ideal&#8221; infantry rifle caliber needs to be suitable for rifle, carbine, light machine gun and possibly even squad sharpshooter and medium machine gun applications. Penetration is important, bullet drop and effect at ranges like 400 or 500m is important, soft tissue damage needs to be good and consistent at all ranges and both weight and volume need to allow for a good ammunition load.</p>
<p>Historical and recent conclusions about an ideal infantry caliber almost always agreed on a calibre in the range from 6 to 7 mm. The larger ones tend to have better effect and to be heavier while the smaller calibers in that range tend to offer superior external ballistics (flatter trajectory, more useful at long range).</p>
<p>The optimum is probably close the the center; a 6 or 6.25mm caliber would probably be too close to 5.56mm to convince the 5.56mm critics (maybe for good reasons).</p>
<p>The 6.5mm Grendel and 6.8mm SPC calibers have become famous in the last few years as optimal caliber candidates. Both use conventional cartridge technology &#8211; it may be that confidential details from plastic case technology development would favor something like a 6.5-6.8mm plastic cased cartridge instead.</p>
<p><strong>Links for additional reading (and graphics)<br />
</strong><br />
There are thousands of possible links, but most would lead you to misleading information.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rayguncharlie.net/sr/basics/pmrb.html">http://www.rayguncharlie.net/sr/basics/pmrb.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/Roberts.pdf">http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/Roberts.pdf<br />
</a><br />
<a href="http://www.firearmstactical.com/wound.htm">http://www.firearmstactical.com/wound.htm<br />
</a><br />
<a href="http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IVF1.html">http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IVF1.html<br />
</a><br />
<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/PDWdebunk.html">http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/PDWdebunk.html<br />
</a><br />
Keep in mind at this link that bullet technology has advanced significantly since 1904:<br />
<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/1904trial.html">http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/1904trial.html<br />
</a><br />
<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/pigboard.html">http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/pigboard.html<br />
</a><br />
Bullet categories:<br />
<a href="http://world.guns.ru/ammo/bullets-e.htm#sjesc">http://world.guns.ru/ammo/bullets-e.htm#sjesc<br />
</a><br />
An overview over PDWs:<br />
<a href="http://www.personaldefenceweapons.com">http://www.personaldefenceweapons.com</a></p>
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		<title>Sneak peek of suppressed full auto AR57</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I blogged about the new AR57 earlier this year. The AR Five Seven is a one piece 5.7×28mm upper that attaches to a AR-15 lower and uses the 50 round FN P90 magazines. 57 Center posted a few photos of their new SBR suppressed submachine gun/PDW:

How cool is that!


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I <a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/08/12/ar-five-seven-57x28mm-ar-upper/">blogged about</a> the new AR57 earlier this year. The AR Five Seven is a one piece 5.7×28mm upper that attaches to a AR-15 lower and uses the 50 round FN P90 magazines. <a href="http://www.57center.com/">57 Center</a> <a href="http://www.ar15.com/lite/topic.html?b=3&amp;f=124&amp;t=408743">posted</a> a few photos of their new SBR suppressed submachine gun/PDW:</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/images-573.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/images-573.jpg','popup','width=401+20,height=450+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/images-573-tm.jpg" height="448" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt=" Images 573" title="" longdesc="" /></a><br />
<em>How cool is that!<br />
</em><br />
<a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/images-572.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/images-572.jpg','popup','width=600+20,height=402+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/images-572-tm.jpg" height="268" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt=" Images 572" title="" longdesc="" /></a></p>
<p><strong>UPDATE: </strong>After writing a three paragraphs about integrally suppressed firearms it turns out this is not integrally suppressed! The suppressor fits inside the handguard. I got this via. email from the 57 Center:</p>
<blockquote><p>This particular AR57 PDW Upper in Full-Auto with 6&#8243; Barrel, with 6.5&#8243; Gemtech Suppressor, is currently being produced for a couple LE Agencies.</p>
<p>We currently have our 11&#8243; <strong>Pistol</strong>/SBR Upper available as well as our standard 16.125&#8243;</p></blockquote>
<p>So they are now directly competing with the full-auto FN P90. Personally, if I had a choice between this and the P90 I would go with the AR platform.</p>
<p>I think the pistol configuration could be a lot of fun.</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE</strong>: I asked if the 6&#8243; barrel gave adequate performance. From 57 Center:</p>
<blockquote><p>We have excellent results with both 6&#8243; and 11&#8243; Pistol/SBR Barrels, this would be peoples choice, <strong>LE prefers 6&#8243; with the 6.5&#8243; Suppressor</strong>, this unit also works in Sub Sonic,</p></blockquote>
<p>It is very impressive that the action can cycle subsonic rounds (a light 30-50 grain 5.7mm bullet traveling below the speed of round is comparable to a 40 grain .22 LR Standard subsonic round). </p>
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		<title>ST Kinetics CPW  (Compact Personal Weapon)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Earlier this year at the Singapore Airshow, Singapore Technologies Kinetics, otherwise known as ST Kinetics or STK, the Singaporean firm who make the Ultimax 100 machine gun, announced their a new PDW (Personal Defense Weapon) type sub machine gun called the CPW  (Compact Personal Weapon).

I think that is a kids hand. Photo from textfiend.net.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier this year at the Singapore Airshow, Singapore Technologies Kinetics, otherwise known as ST Kinetics or STK, the Singaporean firm who make the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimax_100">Ultimax 100</a> machine gun, announced their a new PDW (Personal Defense Weapon) type sub machine gun called the CPW  (Compact Personal Weapon).</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/sa08011.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/sa08011.jpg','popup','width=600+20,height=450+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/sa08011-tm.jpg" height="300" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="Sa08011" title="" longdesc="" /></a><br />
<em>I think that is a kids hand. Photo from </em><em><a href="http://textfiend.net/zerohero/?p=588">textfiend.net</a></em><em>.<br />
</em></p>
<p>According to the STK brochure and the pieces of info I picked up on the internet:</p>
<ul>
<li>Can be holstered</li>
<li>Lighweight</li>
<li>7&#8243; Barrel</li>
<li>Multi-caliber. Currently available in 9mm (30 round magazines)</li>
<li>Translucent pistol grip to check rounds in the magazine</li>
<li>Comes standard with reflex sight. Iron sights are an optional extra.</li>
<li>Retractable stock</li>
<li>Low recoil</li>
<li>Low cost</li>
</ul>
<p>Specs:</p>
<p><strong>Length</strong>: 350mm<br />
<strong>Barrel Length</strong>: 180mm (7&#8243;)<br />
<strong>Mounting system</strong>: 2 sets of picatinny rails<br />
<strong>Weight without accessories</strong>: 1.5kg (3.3 lbs).<br />
<strong>Firing modes</strong>: semi and auto (selector can be seen on above photo)<br />
<strong>Method of operation</strong>: delayed blow back<br />
<strong>Rate of fire</strong>: 900 to 1100 rpm.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/picture-11-16.png" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/picture-11-16.png','popup','width=675+20,height=159+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/picture-11-16-tm.jpg" height="94" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="Picture 11-16" title="" longdesc="" /></a><br />
<em>Click to expand.<br />
</em></p>
<p>I would assume they will also offer a typical PDW round such as the MP7&#8217;s 4.6&#215;30mm or the P90&#8217;s 5.7&#215;28mm.</p>
<p>The gun looks very similar to the MP7 and I think would be in direct competition with it. It weights less (MP7 weights 4.19 lbs/1.9kg), is slightly shorter in length and has a similar rate of fire. I think the CPW&#8217;s  main selling point is cost.</p>
<p>A couple more photos:</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/picture-13-14.png" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/picture-13-14.png','popup','width=620+20,height=467+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/picture-13-14-tm.jpg" height="301" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="Picture 13-14" title="" longdesc="" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/attachment.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/attachment.jpg','popup','width=500+20,height=415+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/attachment-tm.jpg" height="332" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="Attachment" title="" longdesc="" /></a><br />
<em>This looks like a prototype. It has a slightly<br />
different trigger to the one above.<br />
</em></p>
<p>More info at <a href="http://www.stengg.com/CoyCapPro/detail.aspx?pdid=399">STK</a></p>
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