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		<title>ATI importing Turkish surplus ammunition</title>
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ATI is importing 5.56mm NATO and 7.62&#215;51mm NATO ammunition from Turkey. It is manufactured by Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation (MKEK), the Turkish state owned arms and munitions manufacturer. 
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<p>ATI is <a href="http://www.americantactical.us/at_ammo.html">importing</a> 5.56mm NATO and 7.62&#215;51mm NATO ammunition from Turkey. It is manufactured by Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation (<a href="http://www.mkek.gov.tr/">MKEK</a>), the Turkish state owned arms and munitions manufacturer. </p>
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		<title>A summary of infantry rifle caliber discussions and relevant wound ballistics</title>
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by Sven Ortmann, lastdingo@gmx.de, 2008-01-05
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>[ This article was written by Sven Ortmann of </em><em><a href="http://www.personaldefenceweapons.com//index.htm">Personal Defence Weapons Central</a></em>, <em>an excellent small arms resource</em>.<em> ]</p>
<p>by Sven Ortmann, </em><em><a href="mailto:lastdingo@gmx.de">lastdingo@gmx.de</a></em><span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:10pt;">,</span><em> 2008-01-05</p>
<p>There are too many misleading anecdotes and rumors about military rifle calibers floating in the air (and in the WWW). This short article is meant to help readers with a presentation of the results of my secondary source research on the rifle caliber discussion and terminal (wound) ballistics.</p>
<p></em><strong>Caliber: 9&#215;19 mm and .45ACP (= 11.43&#215;23mm)</strong></p>
<p>This is the standard NATO caliber for pistols and a popular caliber for submachineguns. The only ones who seem to have a strong dislike for this caliber seem to be those U.S. Americans who continue to compare it with .45ACP.</p>
<p>The U.S. American problems with the 9&#215;19mm caliber seem to include a mix of emotions (a Colt M1911 in .45ACP feels much more powerful) and poor quality of the U.S. standard issue 9mm pistols. The latter is as far as I know more a magazine production quality problem than a pistol design problem. The origin of .45ACP is said to lie in combat experience around 1900 in the Philippines where determined Philippinos weren&#8217;t stopped reliably by smaller revolver calibers. Tests on live animals in 1904 showed better effects for heavier bullets, but little improvement with velocity. Bullet design has improved a lot since then, and hollowpoint bullets that flatten their nose in soft tissue to increase their diameter are much more effective than simple soft lead bullets. A good 9mm bullet enjoys a similar advantage over a .45ACP soft lead bullet than the latter over a 9mm soft lead bullet. There&#8217;s a fundamental problem, though: There&#8217;s not much difference in effect on the target if you hit the wrong places and the permanent cavities of pistol bullets are all relatively small. Many body parts are simply not essential enough &#8211; their destruction doesn&#8217;t stop a determined opponent immediately; no matter whether you hit with .45ACP or 9&#215;19mm.<br />
<span id="more-4064"></span>A new procurement of pistols could easily be a significant improvement over existing 9&#215;19mm service pistols, though. A new pistol could be designed to use reliably both standard 9&#215;19mm and “hot” 9&#215;19mm loadings (higher pressure). The latter would give some extra punch, especially extra penetration. A further improvement is possible by procurement of better bullets. The Russians have a 9mm semi-jacketed exposed steel core bullet that combines AP effect (hard core) with a hollow-point effect (outer parts of the bullets deform and effectively increase the bullet diameter in soft tissue). Such a bullet has enough penetration capability against a combination of a full pouch and a light kevlar vest. An improvement of pistol accuracy is probably more pressing than the caliber; some sort of shoulder stock and easily visible sights (large iron sights as usual on revolvers, for example) could help.</p>
<p><strong>Caliber: 5.56&#215;45mm NATO</strong></p>
<p>This caliber is at the center of a great and long-lasting controversy. Its opponents call it a varmint caliber and report firefights with multiple hits on the same opponent without satisfactory effect. They compare this caliber very often to the supposedly more effective 7.62&#215;51mm caliber. More about that in the 7.62 chapter. Another problem with 5.56&#215;45mm is its rather unsatisfactory ability to penetrate wooden or wall covers. A dissatisfaction with the standard service rifles/carbines of both the USA and the UK (the British solved their problems with an extensive upgrade) and the use of rather short barrels in the U.S. M4 carbine add to the problems with 5.56&#215;45mm.</p>
<p>The defenders of the caliber remind us that even mutilating wounds by much larger calibers and even explosive warheads cannot reliably stop a determined opponent.</p>
<p>The most terrible problem in the 5.56&#215;45mm caliber discussion is the use of anecdotes. Different barrels, ranges and hit locations produce very different effects, so you will always find anecdotes to support your position on this caliber &#8211; no matter what&#8217;s your position.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s (apparently especially in Germany) a stupid rumor about 5.56&#215;45mm and rifle calibers in general that tells about a nervous shock that can kill even with only small injuries. It&#8217;s nonsense. A short primer on rifle/carbine bullets; they behave differently in soft tissue than most pistol bullets. They don&#8217;t move straight through the tissue all the way. Instead, they begin to turn and usually exit bottom forward. Some bullets break up under the stress of this turn, and the fragmentation increases the destruction of soft tissue very much. A turning bullet doesn&#8217;t create a permanent cavity of much greater diameter than its own length; a disintegrating bullet can create a much, much larger permanent cavity.</p>
<p>The ideal rifle/carbine bullet looks like this; it&#8217;s able to penetrate cover/armor, it begins to turn in soft tissue immediately and it disintegrates into fragments with devastating effect in soft tissue (terminal ballistics). Good sectional density and ballistic coefficient are important for a good effective range (external ballistics). Finally, some people want it to be lead-free to protect the environment and save costs on shooting range maintenance.</p>
<p>So what does a 5.56&#215;45mm bullet really do? Answer; it depends.</p>
<p>The differences between 5.56mm bullets are noteworthy in terms of cover penetration (heavier is better), but all seem to share a rather disappointing &#8220;performance&#8221; in soft tissue. The bullet begins to turn later than desired. This means that frontal hits on skinny opponents are often not very effective because the most destructive part &#8211; the turning and possible fragmentation &#8211; happens too late (the 180° turn isn&#8217;t completed before exit).</p>
<p>The other problem in soft tissue is fragmentation. Fragmentation is necessary to achieve a good deal of damage with the small bullet. This requires a good impact velocity and appropriate bullet design. Short-barrelled weapons don&#8217;t accelerate the bullet to the originally intended velocity, and the velocity drops rapidly with the distance. 5.56&#215;45mm fired from carbines like the M4 carbine produce very little if any fragmentation in soft tissue at distances greater than about 50-100m.</p>
<p>Carbines and assault rifles should be effective to at least 300m, squad sharpshooters (also known as Designated Marksmen) and light machinegunners should be highly effective out to 400m with good effect. 5.56&#215;45mm doesn&#8217;t offer much effect in soft tissue at many relevant ranges unless fired from long barrelled weapons. Barrel lengths of at least 18&#8243; or at the very least 16&#8243; are often recommended. The original M16 assault rifle and many other assault rifle with this caliber have a barrel length of 20&#8243; while the M4 carbine has only a 14.5&#8243; barrel.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s apparently not much potential for improvement in the 5.56&#215;45mm caliber: Heavy bullets for improved cover penetration and long barrels for reliable fragmentation seem to be somewhat successful approaches.</p>
<p><strong>Caliber: PDW cartridges (5.7&#215;28mm and 4.6&#215;30mm)<br />
</strong><br />
These calibers share the same problems as 5.56&#215;45mm, just even more so (they don&#8217;t seem to break up at all).</p>
<p>The short story is like this: Weapons in these calibers are easily controlled in full auto fire due to the low impulse of the cartridges (light bullets). The individual bullets don&#8217;t do much to soft tissue (but more than you would tolerate in your own soft tissue).</p>
<p>The strength of these calibers is the higher hit probability (especially for ill-trained support troops) in comparison to 9&#215;19mm and .45ACP. The higher hit count might make up for the lesser effect of individual bullets. A one-vs-one comparison of the wound ballistic effects is therefore misleading. More hits also add to the chance of hitting something really vital.</p>
<p>There are other, less well-known calibers for PDWs (personal defence weapons) than these two. Some use larger calibers, but they&#8217;re likely all either similar to my description of pistol or PDW caliber wound ballistics.</p>
<p><strong>Caliber: 7.62&#215;51mm NATO<br />
</strong><br />
This is another NATO standard caliber (forced on NATO by the USA against a clearly superior British design). It has been replaced as assault rifle caliber by 5.56&#215;45mm almost completely and was never a carbine caliber. 7.62&#215;51mm is still very widespread as machinegun caliber in NATO armies and is also in use with some sniper/sharpshooter rifles.</p>
<p>The caliber was too powerful for controllable assault rifle full auto fire (well, controllability in bursts was OK within hand grenade range). The cartridges are quite heavy and it&#8217;s difficult to carry many of them into action; a major disadvantage for suppressive fires unless you need to suppress enemies who are behind light cover.</p>
<p>The penetration of cover is usually satisfactory, but armor penetration isn&#8217;t very good for the simple reason that almost all gunshields, armored vehicles and even some heavy body armor were designed to withstand this caliber and its Russian counterpart, 7.62&#215;54mmR. Only expensive SLAP cartridges (saboted light armor penetrating, performance in soft tissue) have a very good penetration capability at short and medium range.</p>
<p>The external ballistics are under criticism for sniping and more powerful calibers (.300WinMag, .338LapuaMag, 9.3&#215;64mm and even .50BMG, for example) with less bullet drop and less wind sensitivity have become important in sniper rifle procurement since the 90&#8217;s.</p>
<p>7.62&#215;51mm is often being attributed with a huge and rarely questioned power against soft targets; knockdown power, manstopping power &#8211; no matter how they call it. 7.62&#215;51mm is usually presented as the good example in comparison to 5.56mm. This is &#8211; at least for U.S.-made 7.62&#215;51mm standard service cartridges &#8211; not fully justified. There are significant differences in penetration till the turning movement begins and in fragmentation. The U.S.-made (standard issue) 7.62 bullets aren&#8217;t that much better than 5.56mm bullets (if better at all). They penetrate deeply before turning and don&#8217;t fragment much.</p>
<p>There have been much superior (at least in fragmentation) bullets in service (like the German ones) and there&#8217;s also a 7.62&#215;51mm cartridge/bullet design that fulfills all expectations for soft tissue damage; it begins to turn and fragment very quickly and has a reliable and devastating effect on soft tissue.</p>
<p>Again; you won&#8217;t necessarily stop a determined enemy from firing at you if you don&#8217;t hit the right spots &#8211; no matter what rifle ammunition you use.</p>
<p><strong>Caliber: .50BMG (= 12,7&#215;99mm NATO)<br />
</strong><br />
This caliber is widespread and has loyal fans in the USA and also elsewhere, but it wasn&#8217;t adopted in some NATO forces and has some drawbacks.</p>
<p>It was originally a tank-penetrating caliber for machine guns (M2 Browning, later M2HB). Similar cartridges were used during the World Wars by anti-tank rifles (which were only able to penetrate light armor plates). Tanks got thicker armor plating by the mid-1930&#8217;s, leaving only light armored vehicles and certain vulnerable spots on heavier armored vehicles as vulnerable to .50BMG. This application has been revived in the 1980&#8217;s for long-range and &#8220;anti-material&#8221; sniping.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no very lively discussion about this caliber in the public. Attempts to replace it focused on intermediate sniping cartridges for long-range and armor-penetrating sniping (like .338LapuaMag), 40&#215;54mm HE cartridges for automatic grenade launchers that replaced many M2HB (.50BMG) machine guns on vehicles and finally a high-tech 25mm air-burst HE cartridge in the failed OCSW program.</p>
<p>The primary problems of .50BMG are weight and volume. Both ammunition and weapon are much bigger than their 7.62&#215;51mm counterparts. The ammunition supply for a .50BMG is usually very small in comparison to the 7.62&#215;51mm alternative. .50BMG is also too heavy for dismounted machine gun use on the move; it can be done (with a tripod), but the effort isn&#8217;t justified in most situations.</p>
<p>This caliber is probably only justified if the extra penetration is really necessary. One example: Reconnaissance vehicles need to be able to take on enemy reconnaissance vehicles which are usually armored against 7.62&#215;51mm AP, so something heavier is desirable even for the lightest recce vehicles.</p>
<p>An intermediate machine gun caliber close to the .338LapuaMag sniper cartridge could match the utility of .50BMG in most situations with significantly more ammunition for the same weight and volume.</p>
<p>Both .50BMG and 7.62&#215;51mm are quite well-established and not much under criticism, so there&#8217;s no good reason to expect a new, intermediate caliber standard for machine guns.</p>
<p><strong>Ideal caliber discussions</strong></p>
<p>The &#8220;ideal&#8221; infantry rifle caliber needs to be suitable for rifle, carbine, light machine gun and possibly even squad sharpshooter and medium machine gun applications. Penetration is important, bullet drop and effect at ranges like 400 or 500m is important, soft tissue damage needs to be good and consistent at all ranges and both weight and volume need to allow for a good ammunition load.</p>
<p>Historical and recent conclusions about an ideal infantry caliber almost always agreed on a calibre in the range from 6 to 7 mm. The larger ones tend to have better effect and to be heavier while the smaller calibers in that range tend to offer superior external ballistics (flatter trajectory, more useful at long range).</p>
<p>The optimum is probably close the the center; a 6 or 6.25mm caliber would probably be too close to 5.56mm to convince the 5.56mm critics (maybe for good reasons).</p>
<p>The 6.5mm Grendel and 6.8mm SPC calibers have become famous in the last few years as optimal caliber candidates. Both use conventional cartridge technology &#8211; it may be that confidential details from plastic case technology development would favor something like a 6.5-6.8mm plastic cased cartridge instead.</p>
<p><strong>Links for additional reading (and graphics)<br />
</strong><br />
There are thousands of possible links, but most would lead you to misleading information.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rayguncharlie.net/sr/basics/pmrb.html">http://www.rayguncharlie.net/sr/basics/pmrb.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/Roberts.pdf">http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/Roberts.pdf<br />
</a><br />
<a href="http://www.firearmstactical.com/wound.htm">http://www.firearmstactical.com/wound.htm<br />
</a><br />
<a href="http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IVF1.html">http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IVF1.html<br />
</a><br />
<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/PDWdebunk.html">http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/PDWdebunk.html<br />
</a><br />
Keep in mind at this link that bullet technology has advanced significantly since 1904:<br />
<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/1904trial.html">http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/1904trial.html<br />
</a><br />
<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/pigboard.html">http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/pigboard.html<br />
</a><br />
Bullet categories:<br />
<a href="http://world.guns.ru/ammo/bullets-e.htm#sjesc">http://world.guns.ru/ammo/bullets-e.htm#sjesc<br />
</a><br />
An overview over PDWs:<br />
<a href="http://www.personaldefenceweapons.com">http://www.personaldefenceweapons.com</a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reader Tarkan emailed me a couple of interesting news article about the assassination of a former Chechen commander in Turkey last week. Sabah reports:
According to police investigations the gunshots hit the victim from a diagonal angle and the weapons used were especially made for the KGB. Known as &#8217;small special guns&#8217; and used in assassinations, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reader Tarkan emailed me a couple of interesting news article about the assassination of a former Chechen commander in Turkey last week. Sabah <a href="http://english.sabah.com.tr/EA742D04DCD24260854A3D38D6C49864.html" rel="nofollow">reports</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>According to police investigations the <strong>gunshots hit the victim from a diagonal angle</strong> and the weapons used were especially made for the KGB. <strong>Known as &#8217;small special guns&#8217; and used in assassinations, both the SP3 and SM4 models only let off minimal noise when shot</strong>. Police are stating that the previous Chechen commander that was murdered, <strong>Gazhi Edilsultanov was also killed by a 7.62 gun and the same weapon might have been used in both murders</strong>.</p></blockquote>
<p>As usual, the media got the facts incorrect. The SP-3 is a cartridge. The S4M is a pistol.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><img src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ammo-a-sp-3-1.jpg" height="252" width="146" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt=" Ammo A Sp-3-1" title="" longdesc="" /><br />
<em><a href="http://world.guns.ru/ammo/sp-e.htm#SP-3_PZAM" rel="nofollow">SP-3 Cartridge</a></em><em> (Photo from </em><em><a href="http://world.guns.ru/ammo/sp-e.htm#SP-3_PZAM" rel="nofollow">guns.ru</a></em><em>)</em></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/handguns-s4m-1.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/handguns-s4m-1.jpg','popup','width=650+20,height=470+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/handguns-s4m-1-tm.jpg" height="289" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt=" Handguns S4M-1" title="" longdesc="" /></a><br />
<em><a href="http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg157-e.htm" rel="nofollow">S4M pistol</a></em><em> (Photo from </em><em><a href="http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg157-e.htm" rel="nofollow">guns.ru</a></em><em>)<br />
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<p>The round is one of many Russia piston silenced rounds. The gas from the primer propels a piston (I doubt they contain any powder) which in turn propels a 123 grain bullet at 490 fps generating 66 lbs of muzzle energy. This is significantly less energy than a High Velocity .22 Long Rifle (130+ lbs). The piston then locks in the gas preventing muzzle noise.</p>
<p>The bullet itself is similar to the 7.62&#215;39mm (AK) bullet. In theory this is supposed to fool investigators into thinking the victim was shot by a conventional rifle. This may have worked when the cartridge was classified but any modern forensic expert would not be fooled by a rifle bullet that clearly left the muzzle slowly and had very poor penetration.</p>
<p>A combination of very low power and a relatively large caliber bullet means the round is not capable of much apart from gangland style executions as demonstrated in the recent assassination.</p>
<p>JamesTown.org <a href="http://www.jamestown.org/programs/edm/single/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=34268&amp;tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=27&amp;cHash=8e4870a6fb" rel="nofollow">reports</a> that in September another Chechen was assassinated in Turkey:</p>
<blockquote><p>On September 6 Gazhi Edilsultanov, a former Chechen colonel, was gunned down in Istanbul reportedly during a dispute over financial aid being collected in Turkey for Chechen separatists. Edilsultanov was the head of the Chechen refugee camp in Istanbul</p></blockquote>
<p>It is suspected that the killing was not a robbery but an assassination:</p>
<blockquote><p>Perhaps, however, the story of killing Edilsultanov for the €50,000 was not true, and the suspects invented the money story to cover up the fact that the murder was committed by Russian intelligence.</p></blockquote>
<div>I would be surprised if Russian intelligence are still manufacturing the pistols themselves. Ammunition on the other hand is relatively simple to make. I am sure with a lathe and reloading press any competent machinist could manufacture the SP-3 cartridge.</p>
<p>A bit thanks to Tarkan for the information he emailed me.</p>
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		<title>US Army to upgrade M24 Rifles</title>
		<link>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/02/us-army-to-upgrade-m24-rifles/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remington will be upgrading the 3000 M24 rifles during 2009 at a cost of $3 million. I was quite surprised to hear this after all the noise about bolt action rifles not being good enough and that semi-automatic was the only way to go. The M24 Sniper Weapons System (SWS) is based on the Remington [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remington will be upgrading the 3000 M24 rifles during 2009 at a cost of $3 million. I was quite surprised to hear this after all the noise about bolt action rifles not being good enough and that semi-automatic was the only way to go. The M24 Sniper Weapons System (SWS) is based on the Remington 700 rifle and chambers the 7.62&#215;51mm NATO.</p>
<blockquote><p>M-24 Sniper Weapons systems have been fielded to the U.S. armed services since 1987. Remington has been maintaining these weapons in Ilion, New York, and will be responsible for M-24 upgrades in the future. Remington&#8217;s proposal to upgrade the M-24 sniper rifle would save the federal government nearly $6 million dollars.</p></blockquote>
<p>No word if the systems 10×42 Leupold Ultra M3A scope will be upgraded to something fancier and more expensive.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/m24-sws.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/m24-sws.jpg','popup','width=640+20,height=375+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/m24-sws-tm.jpg" height="234" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="M24 Sws" title="" longdesc="" /></a></p>
<p>Hat Tip: Tactical Wire</p>
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		<title>Bullpup M14: &#8220;M4 Size, M14 power&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/09/22/bullpup-m14-m4-size-m14-power/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read about Short Rifle Stock Systems (SRSS) new M14/M1A bullpup stock, the BullDog 762, at Defense Review. I suppose the designers said to themselves &#8220;just about about everything has a bullpup conversion, why not the M14?&#8221;

The stock comes in a synthetic model (SRSS-1421SM, $749) and an aluminum model (SRSS-1421BA, $999) and is available in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read about <a href="http://www.shortrifles.com/">Short Rifle Stock Systems</a> (SRSS) new M14/M1A bullpup stock, the <a href="http://www.shortrifles.com/">BullDog 762</a>, at <a href="http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=1175">Defense Review</a>. I suppose the designers said to themselves &#8220;just about about everything has a bullpup conversion, why not the M14?&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/opening-picture.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/opening-picture.jpg','popup','width=640+20,height=480+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/opening-picture-tm.jpg" height="300" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="Opening Picture" title="" longdesc="" /></a></p>
<p>The stock comes in a synthetic model (SRSS-1421SM, $749) and an aluminum model (SRSS-1421BA, $999) and is available in Black, Olive Drab, Tan and Aluminum finish.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><img src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/cop-main-web.jpg" height="320" width="313" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="Cop Main Web" title="" longdesc="" /></p>
<p>From the <a href="http://www.shortrifles.com/faq.htm">FAQ</a>:<em><br />
</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>What does the SRSS kit consist of?</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The SRSS stock system comes with main beam (stock) panels = Cheek rest and right panel, optics rail and all hardware, allen wrenches to mount scope rail which replaces the M14 /M1A hand guard. Simple tools like a screwdriver is all you need to install your M1A or the M-14 into the SRSS. OPTICS are not included. See our site for Optics available.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>Do I need to machine any part of my rifle?</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>No. You will need to remove the hand guard and install the optics rail and you will need to remove the rear sight assembly, just hang on to it you may want to put it all back together or leave the SRSS together and build another M1A.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>Can you describe the trigger action ?  I understand that one of the weakness of bullpup stocks is their softness or lack of tactile feedback of the trigger when pulled.</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Our trigger was designed to eliminate all the problems that bullpup&#8217;s have. The trigger/transfer rod is submerged in the stock and to some degree floats and is carried by the rear/original trigger. The safety is just above the pistol grip for your right hand and can be turned off and on by the right thumb. Our trigger rod adds 1/2 pound to whatever your trigger pressure is on your rifle. It feels like your original two stage trigger.</p></blockquote>
<p>Later this year or next year SRSS will be offering this stock system for other rifles. My guess is that a Mini-14 model will be offered.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/srss-060-1.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/srss-060-1.jpg','popup','width=640+20,height=480+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/srss-060-1-tm.jpg" height="300" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="Srss 060-1" title="" longdesc="" /></a><br />
<em>Fitted with the SRSS Mini Paladin Muzzle Brake ($200)</em></p>
<p><strong>UPDATE</strong>: <a href="http://www.thegunzone.com/556dw.html">Daniel E. Watters</a>, who is very knowledgeable, points out in the comments that there have been other bullpup stocks for the M14.<br />
More photos after the jump.<span id="more-2666"></span>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/mvc-018s.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/mvc-018s.jpg','popup','width=640+20,height=480+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/mvc-018s-tm.jpg" height="300" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="Mvc-018S" title="" longdesc="" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/mvc-004s.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/mvc-004s.jpg','popup','width=640+20,height=480+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/mvc-004s-tm.jpg" height="300" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="Mvc-004S" title="" longdesc="" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/shotshow-pic-2.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/shotshow-pic-2.jpg','popup','width=640+20,height=480+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/shotshow-pic-2-tm.jpg" height="300" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="Shotshow Pic 2" title="" longdesc="" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/long-stock-bench-small-web.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/long-stock-bench-small-web.jpg','popup','width=320+20,height=239+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/long-stock-bench-small-web-tm.jpg" height="298" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="Long Stock  Bench Small Web" title="" longdesc="" /></a></p>
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		<title>AAD 08: Vektor SS77 Compact</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Africa Aerospace and Defense 2008 held in Cape Town, South Africa has just finished. Denel Land Systems, a South African firm, launched the new SS77 Compact.

The only photo I could find.

UPDATE: prion @ MP.net posted this photo:

The compact version of the 7.62mm NATO machine gun features a telescopic stock, foregrip with bipod, picatinny rail [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Africa Aerospace and Defense 2008 held in Cape Town, South Africa has just finished. Denel Land Systems, a South African firm, launched the new SS77 Compact.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><img src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/picture-10-15.jpg" height="202" width="272" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="Picture 10-15" title="" longdesc="" /><br />
<em>The only photo I could find.<br />
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<p><strong>UPDATE</strong>: <a href="http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=142464&amp;page=2">prion</a> @ MP.net posted this photo:</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/p1020133.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/p1020133.jpg','popup','width=1600+20,height=1200+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/p1020133-tm.jpg" height="300" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="P1020133" title="" longdesc="" /></a></p>
<p>The compact version of the 7.62mm NATO machine gun features a telescopic stock, foregrip with bipod, picatinny rail and gas regulator. The gun is 150mm (6&#8243;) shorter and 2 kg (4.4 lbs) lighter than the full sized SS77.</p>
<p>The full size SS77 can be converted to the 5.56mm Mini SS and presumably the compact version can be as well.</p>
<p>Developed in the 1970s during the arms embargo which forced the South Africa to develop its own arms industry. The machine gun is used by South Africa, Philippines, Malaysia and Jordan. It was pulled from Service by the South African Defense Force during the 90s due to reliability problems. The problems were fixed in part by reducing the rate of fire from 900 rpm to 800 rpm and the gun reentered service in 2003.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/dscf5304-1.jpg" onclick="window.open('http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/dscf5304-1.jpg','popup','width=800+20,height=600+20,scrollbars=no,resizable=yes,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" class="tfb_thumbnail"><img rel="thumbnail" src="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/dscf5304-1-tm.jpg" height="300" width="400" align="" border="1" hspace="4" vspace="4" alt="Dscf5304-1" title="" longdesc="" /></a><br />
<em>Mini SS 5.56mm. Click to expand.</em></p>
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		<title>1882 Madsen machine gun finally retired</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James reported on this last week, but I thought I should mention it:
From Strategypage.com:
The world&#8217;s first light machine-gun, the Danish Madsen has finally been retired from service after over a century of use. The State Police of the Brazilian state of Rio De Janerio were the last users of the twenty pound weapon&#8230;
The Madsen required [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.hellinahandbasket.net/2008/04/dont_know_much_about_history.htm">James</a> reported on this last week, but I thought I should mention it:</p>
<p>From <a href="http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htweap/articles/20080407.aspx">Strategypage.com</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The world&#8217;s first light machine-gun, the Danish Madsen has finally been retired from service after over a century of use. The State Police of the Brazilian state of Rio De Janerio were the last users of the twenty pound weapon&#8230;</p>
<p>The Madsen required some precise machining, but it was not exceptionally costly to make. It was reliable, although it used an awkward top loaded magazine, carrying 25, 30 or 40 rounds. Over its long career, it was equipped to fire ammunition from 6.5mm to 8mm. The Brazilian Madsens fired NATO 7.62mm (.30 caliber) ammo.  It&#8217;s rate of fire was 450 rounds per minute. </p></blockquote>
<p>Firearms last a long time!</p>
<p>These photos of of a replica of the 8mm model which can be bought <a href="http://www.germanworldwars.com/product_info.php/cPath/19/products_id/21?osCsid=8f809a49e38f94ab1cd6c3843ea65cce">here</a>. They are the best photos I could find and are probably close to the original.</p>
<p>Click to expand the images.</p>
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