Germany’s next Army Rifle cannot be American due to ITAR

Die Welt (“The World”) is a German National daily newspaper, and according to their information the tender to replace the current Bundeswehr (Germany Army) HK G36 contains a peculiar detail that the replacement rifle must not contain any ITAR regulated parts.

Of course I could be doing it wrong, but I can’t find any information about the tender online so it’s difficult to verify this information. However, and especially from a German standpoint, this requirement sounds very logical.

The currently known entrants for the tender are very interesting, with the latest in German rifle-making like Heckler & Koch HK433, HK416, Steyr-Rheinmetall RS556, and SIG Sauer MCX.

The MCX just recently had some success with the German Police, grabbing a contract for a few hundred rifles. For sure this will boost SIG Sauer’s self-confidence, but it is enough to land one of the biggest contracts in the World? The question is, will the MCX get around the ITAR, or will it be ruled out?

Apart from these we might see some offers from CG Haenel, CZ and Beretta. Perhaps Poland wants a go as well?

They will clear the requirements for the ITAR, but in my honest opinion they have no hope of winning. Participating may only give them some feedback from the procurement process.

With the HK 416 most likely being too expensive, this theory only leaves the Heckler & Koch 433 and the Steyr-Rheinmetall RS556. This means there will be no unified firearms system between France (HK 416F) and Germany, and the question is how big of a matter that would be?

And just by looking at these two rifles I can say that the HK433 would most certainly win, unless it has some serious design flaws or other errors.

 

Customers in the US may not know, but ITAR or “The International Traffic in Arms Regulations” is a major issue for anyone wanting to buy almost anything related to firearms. You need spares for your competition AR15? Sorry, ITAR…

ITAR is one of the reasons why a lot of customers turn to National suppliers like B&T, Spuhr and many others for accessories. Having said that, these suppliers make some really good products which would survive well both with or without these regulations, but people don’t like unnecessary bureaucracy.

Remember that the HK G36 has no US technology inside of it, and was developed more than 20 years ago. Think back even longer, to the HK G3, which must have been a huge success in terms of export.

And for their next service rifle, Germany doesn’t want any other country (read USA) to have a say where this technology should be exported, imported or manufactured – or who should be the end user.

ITAR may have its benefits, but it also makes some suppliers less competitive.

If you think about it, it’s common sense for anyone in that position.


In terms of economics, the German Army’s needs is said to be around 120 000 rifles. for an estimated total cost of 245 million Euros, ex. VAT.

This means that one rifle nets about 2 040 Euros, but this is likely a total cost not a price per rifle.

According to very unofficial sources the price for a HK433 is around 600 Euros (could be inaccurate), but remember that the total price might include sight, options and training.

Expect the first series of firearms to be delivered in the autumn of 2020, if the deployment tests are successful. The contract is supposed to run seven years from April 2019.

 

YouTube: N24 “Sturmgewehr: Neue Bundeswehr-Waffe könnte die USA verärgern” i.e. “New Bundeswehr weapon could anger the US

Source WELT Germany: HERE.

It’s difficult to discuss ITAR without going political, but there are at least discussions to ease the ITAR restrictions. The reasons mentioned in this article might explain why.



Eric B

Ex-Arctic Ranger. Competitive practical shooter and hunter with an European focus. Always ready to increase my collection of modern semi-automatic firearms, optics and sound suppressors. Owning the night would be nice too.


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  • Tim

    What in heaven’s name does the Bundeswehr need with rifles?

    A new set of knee pads would serve them better.

    • Eric

      Have you tried more ITAR to see how it works?

    • Klaus

      Can you be more specific? And who’s military and what branch did you serve in. Just curious.

      • DMZ

        I assume he’s mad about Germany letting refugees in. TTAG’s commenter base must be seeping over.

      • tsubaka

        i guess he’s talking about the fact that’s the Bundeswehr barely does military operations by itself and serve more as military advisor support for UN/MINUSMA

        • Klaus

          Still, over fifty German soldiers killed in combat in Afghanistan. Not understanding the insult that’s all.

          • Silubr

            He’s only unhappy because we haven’t tried to invade one of our
            neighbors in, like, 70 years.These types of people who dream of a
            Germany in the borders of ’37 (“In den Grenzen von ’37”) –
            which I could totally understand if they meant 1037,
            because I’d much rather have the French Riviera than the Baltic
            Sea.

          • Mother Bautzen

            I would say he was probably implying that you have let Germany be invaded and taken over without a shot fired due to fear of being called “racis” by full blown communists ala Antifa.

    • John

      When people did use the G36 in combat, in a very hot place like the Afghanistan and Iraq desert, it tended to melt after about a hundred rounds.

      Now, there’s been a lot of back-and-forth about whether or not that’s actually true, but it’s been sufficient enough that the Bundeswehr is holding this trial for a new standard-issue rifle. And with Russia suddenly making their moves, everyone in Europe is getting antsy about rearming with quality weapons. You’ll note Lithuania and Latvia, two countries that border Russia, got the version of the G36 that wouldn’t melt. No reason Germany can’t or shouldn’t do the same.

      • Longrange

        Funny that the G36s does not melt when used in Spain by Spanish forces. Maybe Spansih military uses medium MGs for suppressive fire and not assault rifles ?

        • John

          Or maybe that’s a poor excuse for a weapon that’s supposed to handle at least a couple of mag dumps if necessary.

          I don’t necessarily like the 416, but I recognize it’ll hold up to extreme temperature stress better than a polymer weapon would.

          • kyphe

            German soldiers who served with these weapons in the field dismissed these claims of melting, most of which appear to originate in the US and predating any combat use. The rumor mill and the internet create a reality of its own yet again.

          • ostiariusalpha

            Those rumors did not originate in the U.S.; no one here knew of any such claims till they were made by German media sources.

            Like this one:
            https://www.welt.De/politik/deutschland/article106143393/Deutsches-Sturmgewehr-versagt-bei-langem-Gefecht.html

          • Günter Groß

            Well, “Welt” and it’s journalists have a world wide reputation as weapon experts. Every rifle will have stoppages when it overheats and even more under battle conditions, when dirt and other things come into play. There were also issues with the M4 when soldiers did fast mag dumps.

          • kyphe

            These rumors and claims have existed at least since 2009 and many began with the XM8 program. This was basically industrial mud slinging out of fear that the US would adopt a non AR15 non colt platform. Note these rumors never point to an actual instance or unit that can be verified its all trust us, we are reporters, we never do fake news. Ofc if HK win this contract then they are win win two bites of the same cherry.

          • ostiariusalpha

            Everyone gets mud slung on them, the M4 has been just as much the target of rumor mongering and innuendo as any other large weapons contract. Dealing with that sort of thing is just a part of doing business.

  • Rasputin

    Serves the US right… ITAR is a major pain for those looking to buy almost anything firearms related here in Europe. You yanks DO make a lot of cool sh*t, I´ll give you that, but apparently your internal market is enough for manufacturers. Why make more money, amirite?

    When you browse the web and find a cool gun-gadget you like, there is always “no shipping outside the US” plastered next to it. That, or “we can only ship good under 100 usd”. That is like… a buttstock at best.

    • Johnsmyname

      Not up to the manufacturers, ITAR is dictated by the government. They don’t care how much the manufacturers make, just there control over where the product goes.

      • Malthrak

        It’s got nothing to do with WW2, it’s got everything to do with Japan’s culture and regulations regarding weapons and what can be used to make them. Japanese troops have to account for literally every piece of brass used in training, if a single brass case is missing from a platoon firing line, nobody is going home until it’s found. Anything even remotely weapons related has a mountain of rules there.

        • Johnsmyname

          Their regulations don’t extend to foreign business. They go to great lengths to find and stop the sale of machines for any defense related material. Believe me, this is my day to day business, not hear say.

          • Brett baker

            It’s payback for the sanctions on dual-use technology during the Cold War.

        • Will Smoth

          That South Korea not Japan that has to pick up brass.

          • Malthrak

            As far as I was aware both Japan and South Korea did, in addition to several other asian militaries (I think Singapore also does this?)

      • tt_ttf

        No that’s because Toshiba sold machines to the Soviets that allowed them to make better quieter props for their subs.

        its easing now but most Japanese component companies won’t let their parts be used in military h/w. With the threat from China and NK, that have been changing

      • MeaCulpa

        Yes Japan has had somebody force non aggression down their throats and constitution.

    • ARCNA442

      ITAR is merely the US’s implementation of the Vienna-based Wassenar Arrangement. So blame Europe that you can’t buy gun parts.

      • ProLiberty82

        So how come I can from Norway buy gun parts from pretty much the rest of the world online without breaking a single rule or regulation but when it comes to trying to buy grip panel screws from the US everybody involved can face a $1 million fine and 10 years in prison?

        ITAR has a long history of ruining (actual & potential) military contracts for the US even with their closest allies and it has nothing to do with no ” Wassenar Arrangement”, look it up sometime.

        I can get all the US parts I need (except suppressor related items due to another obnoxious US export regulation) through importers here in Norway if they bother to do the ITAR paper work for it but it can be a pain in the a*s to get specific repair parts and etc for US made guns and that drives a lot of people to choose guns from other countries instead.

      • micmac80

        Its wholly US homegrown project that then points a finger at international agrements, like some 5 yo kid.
        Wery childish as uncle sam is greatest terrorist arms supplier world wide by huge margin but lets ITAR block everyone over firearms accessorys and components as some Taliban might order himself some magpul.

    • nova3930

      ITAR isn’t a cakewalk for anyone here either. Running afoul of the regs even accidentally will land you in some terrible hot water and we’re talking volumes of garbage to comply with. I spent a whole day recently trying to determine if I could export repro parts for antique (150+ years old) black powder weapons. That’s how convoluted it is….

    • Flounder

      ITAR was the only thing obama could get through so that is why the US accepted it. One dude hit the okay button and the mob couldn’t care enough to undo it.

      • Sticky-eye Rivers

        ITAR was implemented in 1976 under President Ford. You’re a dumbass.

    • MeaCulpa

      The best thing about ITAR – IMO – is that it also applies to things made outside the US. As a Swede I find it somewhat amusing that I can’t buy an Aimpoint from the US when it’s made in Sweden and sold in about a thousand places here.

  • Porty1119

    What in hell is that MRDS mounted to on the second picture from the bottom? It looks like an optic bedazzled with 1913 rails.

  • codfilet

    Ha! like the Germans would buy an American rifle anyway. never gonna happen.

    • john huscio

      They seemed to like the m1 carbine and used it for decades in various police roles…..

      • Rnasser Rnasser

        VERY different times, looong ago…

      • 411.48 R

        They liked it because they got them for free.

        • GermanSausage

          Yes you can even appreciate gifted guns.
          Or maybe they collected them for free at the normandy beaches.

          • RocketScientist

            Only thing ze Germans collected at Normandy was a bunch of lead and new holes in their uniforms.

          • Forrest

            That’s what Heinrich Severloh told me yesterday.

          • RocketScientist

            I mean, yeah, obviously some Germans managed to kill some Allies. A whole lot of them in fact. But, while its been awhile since high-school history, I’m PRETTY sure the storming of Normandy ended with Allies chasing off the heavily entrenched Germans and controlling the beach-head. And if I recall correctly, they went on to so-completely destroy the German armed forces and infrastructure that the Germans had to surrender, their nation was destroyed and split into two for many decades, and the political ideology behind that government was so totally annihilated that espousing sympathy with it, even to this day, is socially and morally reprehensible in pretty much the entire world and even illegal in some places. Short of literally murdering every German man and raping all their women like some pre-civilized barbarians, I honestly can’t think of a more resounding way to defeat an enemy. So yeah, some guy in the German army with a machine gun killed a bunch of allies in Normandy…. how’d that work out for him?

          • Forrest

            I was just “kidding”. In so far as it’s possible to kid with such a subject.
            The USA won the war, everybody agrees with that, I think.
            There has been dead both sides. Too many.

          • GermanSausage

            Very interesting, didn’t expect anything else as comments. On a page that proclaims FirearmsnotPolitics reading under every article related to HK or anything only halfway related to Germany sth. along the lines of “kneeling”, “bending over”, “why a new weapon at all”, se_xual offense becomes se_xual assault and then mass rapes, population will cease to exist in 20 years because of immigration and so on.
            A comment of mine who is of course not very serious provokes that. To dish it out is easy, the opposite seemingly not that much.
            But thanks for the rational and very educated responses.

          • RocketScientist

            Listen bud, YOU’RE the one who brought up WWII and nazi soldiers. Then you act all surprised and victimized when people react? Here’s a tip: MOST of the world doesn’t find a lot of humor in comments that tend to sympathize with or even just trivialize the actions of Nazis. They lead one of the most heinous bigoted genocides in modern history, and threw Europe into a war that killed millions and spread across several continents. MOST people don’t find a lot of humor in that. That ain’t “politics”, its common human decency.

          • GermanSausage

            Sorry to disappoint you, I don’t feel victimized. And to mention a beach was in no way meant to sympathize with all of this.
            But back to topic to the original comment, the M1 was only one of many US made products that were used in the Bundeswehr. There are still a couple of M113 used, although they are phased out in most cases. At least i witnessed these tin boxes as mortar carriers in the mid 90s.

          • RocketScientist

            Dude, your entire previous comment was playing the victim. “Oh of course, anytime Germany comes up, all the comments are filled with mean comments about nazis and muslim immigration and bending over. Everyone is so mean and can;t take a simple joke. Why are they so mean like always?” Don’t pretend otherwise, it’s dishonest and embarrassing. And just out of curiosity, I read all the comments here. Other than YOUR comment and the responses to it, there are exactly TWO comments talking about anything other than the merits (or lack thereof) of the various rifle, or ITAR. That’s TWO comments, out of (at the moment) 54. That’s less than 4%. I can see why you feel so ganged-up on.

          • Silubr

            Don’t take this the wrong way, I certainly mean no disrespect to the American soldiers – and I’m rather grateful for
            living in a free country today – but didn’t you forget a few
            million Soviets somewhere?

          • RocketScientist

            You may want to re-read my comments before getting snarky and pedantic. I never mentioned Americans, I used the terms allies or allied nations exclusively. By my definition, and that of every other source I can find, this includes the Soviet Union (unless that source is specifically speaking of the period before they entered the war). The Soviet Union was a signatory to the ‘Declaration by United Nations’ and sacrificed more lives to extinguish the abhorrent German regime in the Great Patriotic War than any other nation. I am well aware of this fact and very much appreciate what they did. Don’t put words in my mouth, especially when they have no basis in fact or merit.

          • makeintosch

            Don’t thank, it was only business to grow their country – why didn’t they want to declare war to the Germany by the 1939?

          • Jason Culligan

            Fun fact, the Germans actually did capture enough M1 Carbines to warrant a capture service designation: “Selbstladekarabiner 455(a)”

          • RocketScientist

            How many did they recover from Nrmandy beaches though? As I recall, they were too busy retreating. Not sure the allies who controlled that beach-head from then on would be amenable to ze Germans popping in to collect a few free rifles.

          • iksnilol

            Yeah, I think the joke would have worked better if it was Dunkirk and not Normandy.

          • BeGe1

            Germany never possessed that beach again after those rifles started dropping on it.

    • Klaus Von Schmitto

      And why should they?

    • Herr Wolf

      Most industrial powers- US, Russia, China, etc- produce their own battle rifles- I don’t see Germany being an exception

      • sdf

        Russia and China also produce protect and respect their own culture, we are not against German rife production, i ike the diversity and competitive market, im against Germanis protectionism when they support exportations and globalisation, they want sell their products to everybody and are happy when H&K sells their weapons around the globe but they dont want other countries enterprises compite with theirs in their soil.

        • sdf

          Note, i like the H&K433

    • hk no

      Germany deindustriaiced all of our countries in EU, and force us to buy all german products. Germany forced a EU contries to open borders policy and we are forced to accept massive muslin migration, but we have dificuties to buy american products, i preffer buy american products instead of german (fourth reigh) products.
      And we, europeans now know perfectly that german will chosse the H&K 433, they, like everybody today dream with AR15 style rifle but their chivinism dont let them to say this and the closser to AR style is the H&K 433.

      • b0x3r0ck

        Almost makes you wonder who won war 2?

        • HK no

          Yea,it seems that at least they had a B plan, like lefties after cod war.

        • MeaCulpa

          The Russians?

      • int19h

        I don’t see any German soldiers stationed in your countries, putting the barrel of a gun to the head of your elected politicians. How did they “force” you to do anything?

        If you did it because it was cheaper and easier, they were offering lucrative deals, well, that’s not “forcing”. You could have always refused.

      • Brett baker

        So the Russians, British, and Americans wasted a lot of blood and treasure 1939-45?

    • Gidge

      This is their excuse to exclude all American entrants so they can use a German rifle

      • 411.48 R

        Interesting question would be:
        “Are there any competitive American entrants?”

        • pwrserge

          The M4A1 is a perfectly serviceable rifle. There is very little you need in a standard issue combat carbine that the M4 can’t do. It’s also dirt cheap as it uses common components from a fully mature platform.

          • 411.48 R

            So is the AK74 but you won’t see it adopted.
            (Btw. i would really like to see a Polish entrant with something Kbs wz. 1996 Beryl based, but that also won’t win.)
            And a Colt or FN government contract build is far far away from dirt cheap.
            The M4 also failed numerous times the reliability conditions requested by the Bundeswehr.

          • pwrserge

            I find that hard to believe with the latest M4A1 models with their improved bolt design and feed ramps. The M16 family is an environmentally sealed system. I can tell you that I’ve been running and gunning with AR platforms for over a decade both professionally and recreationally and the only issues I’ve encountered were from things that would cause any self-loading rifle to malfunction. All other issues have been 100% magazine related.

      • argh

        given the insaneness of american politics I can’t blame them for wanting to make sure there army’s rifle supply was not affected

  • jay

    I hope the German Government does a little testing and investigating the suitability of the proprietary HK keymod attachment system, specially now, that everyone is clearly moving towards M-LOK.
    But then again, usually people in charge don’t know crap about what’s going on in the firtearm’s industry.

    • Herr Wolf

      They obviously don’t read TFB, Patrick R pronounced the death of keymod a while ago

      • venku

        Aha! But he didn’t say anything about HKey, did he?

        😉

  • john huscio

    If ITAR is such a stumbling block for US manufacturers, how are companies like LWRC and LMT getting contracts and estabilishing footholds in the european market?

    • Samuel Millwright

      ITAR is a MASSIVE stumbling block for American companies and if you think the American firearms industry is anything resembling healthy i have a bridge to sell you…

    • Eric B

      ITAR is a major pain in the azz. Selling maybe 100 LWRCI rifles to Sweden isn’t going to change the break even for them.

  • Kyle

    “This means there will be no unified firearms system between France (HK 416F) and Germany, and the question is how big of a matter that would be?” A small one, duh, as long as both rifles are STANAG compatible, which they are.

  • GermanSausage

    The question is, will the MCX get around the ITAR, or will it be ruled out?

    I read, that the MPX is no option because of ITAR parts.
    The problem is the dependence on good will, when it comes to selling these guns.

    “Oh wait, you wanna sell your weapons to country xyz? There is a ITAR trigger in it and you are competing with our M4. Answer is: no export, soooorrrrry.”

    • 411.48 R

      The MCX was out, even before it was submitted. It is not “made in Germany” and SIG could not present any plan to run a full scale production in Germany.
      It is all politics. The Bundeswehr soldiers liked the G36 a lot. Everything it would need, is an general optics upgrade. But our “Verteidungungsministerin” decided otherwise. So the BW wants the G36 2.0, the 433 instead.
      My guess is:
      433 adopted, because its so familiar and German.
      RS556 2nd, because to Austrian.
      416 3rd, because of price.
      MCX out because of ITAR, (wonderful excuse, btw)

      • GermanSausage

        Cooperation of Rheinmetall and Steyr Mannlicher. Therefore at least half german 😉
        The decision from BAAINBw to combine the optics and the weapon was a stupid idea in the first place, when choosing the G36.

  • Audie Bakerson

    Nobody voted for Ford yet he was able to saddle us with this burden.

  • Brett baker

    So this explains the stupid “You can’t export this without State Department approval” warning on Magpul stuff.

  • Tom – UK

    “ITAR may have some benefits”

    Like what?

    • Diamondback

      Plenty, if you hate guns and all who deal with them, or if you’re a power-tripping bureaucratic piece of human garbage not fit to even serve as a parts-source for donor organs…

  • Bartosz

    There are plans to build the MCX in Germany. I was told that during Enforcetac this year at SIG booth.

  • bj

    It ar is bloody stupid

  • Cymond

    Generally speaking, American business after indent concerned with quick quarterly profits and ignore long term growth/stability.

  • JOhn

    Okay.

    So when U.S. troops get shot with weapons that say “Made In Germany” on them, should we feel better about reducing ITAR then?

    I can see that particular requirement having lots and lots and lots of unintended consequences.

    • Rock or Something

      No worse than being shot at by any litany of weapons that were made everywhere else supplied to our so-called or former allies.

    • mosinman

      they’re getting shot at by former US former Iraqi M-16s already

  • Longrange

    In general ITAR is a US invention making it diffucult for US weapons industry to selling abroad because USG does not trust US companies to act in a reasonable way.. Trump has already promised that his administration will deregulate ITAR because it hurts US industry. Which it does like we see in Germany. Maybe USG should deregelate ITAR ASAP to enable US companies to participate in the German rifle competition.
    US suppressor industry has been forced to look at what AseUtra, B&T and similar companies are selling abroad whereas US companies have been allowed to sell suppresors only to Israel and even then the payer for those products has been the US taxpayer. Luckily US market has been
    SIG will NOT produce anything for military in Germany as they were forced to relocate to US after a decade of harrassment by the German government. If SIG can deliver from the US then maybe but they will not manufacture any military weapons in Germany anymore.

    • Günter Groß

      The machinery necessary for that, is not that expensive and included in the price calculation. SIG would just have another place of manufacturing outside of USA, if they win the contract. But I don’t think so. There are better rifles available than a crossbreed of AR-16 and 18.

  • nick

    as a military museum , we have very few US vehicles, as parts are a PITA to get up here. We still import stuff, but, only deal with certain companies that have export licences through the US Sate Dept.
    there is lots of stuff we want to buy, like more semi auto M2’s for film work, but even though we can get the RCMP here to approve it, US does not allow export under ITAR. This is just an example, but as a Canadian, its rough when the RCMP approve your .50 cal import, only to be told the US, is not going to let the guns out of the country…

    we have more paper than you can believe when we import. For a laymans idea, when we bring in Armour from the EU, its only one phone book thickness of paper…from the US, its a box of 6….

  • geoh777

    In the meantime, the government violates the Constitution’s provisions on an intensive and continually increasing basis without even breaking their grin.

    Look for the following in the Constitution, as a mere few examples:
    Congress’ power to hand over their responsibility to regulate the value of the dollar to a private entity;
    The power of the government to infringe the right to keep and bear arms;
    The power of the federal government to create state governments that infringe constitutional rights;
    The power of the government to create a vast system of transfer payments (the welfare state).

    So, who is directing federal officials to follow the provisions of ITAR, while violation of the higher law, the Constitution, is done systematically?
    .

  • Mike Crews

    Ok so what’s to stop them from blatantly copying a US design then altering it with there own spin China does it all the time.

  • Mr. Katt

    Why would anyone want a unified anything with France ? Germany had the Mauser, France had the Lebel. Let France keep their croissant automatic and Germany can use real guns. That way, the next invasion, the French can surrender their pastries and the Germans won’t have to fire as many rounds.

    • mosinman

      the germans are building these French rifles, unless you’re implying the 416 isn’t a real rifle

  • Edison Frisbee

    Well, at least the soon to be Muslim hordes won’t be using our own weapons against us….

    • 4444

      Im more worried about people like the Vegas shooter.

      • Edison Frisbee

        He’s dead Jim…..

  • Diamondback

    Here’s another illustration of how stupid ITAR is… given that my GF is Canadian,. and Elcan makes their Specter optics up there, all she has to do to buy one is sign the check.

    I don’t know if she could bring it across the border with her to use on the range while visiting, but my understanding of ITAR, particularly the “Deemed Export” language, is that she could do the paper to temporarily import hers, but even with an identical optic in her possession just looking at the SAME EXACT SIGHT on a rifle in my arms-rack is an ITAR violation.

    ITAR should die in a fire, and all the wastes of viable organs responsible for it should drown in raw sewage.

  • pwrserge

    The M16 fire control group is available in 45 degree throws. It’s been common on the civilian market for decades. I prefer the 90 degree myself, but that’s because I run ambi selectors, and it’s easier to brush the safety on with my firing hand when it’s all the way down. This is especially true when you have a three position selector and don’t want to accidentally go full-auto.

    Light primer strikes have never been a major issue with M16 platforms. The hammer is more than stout enough to detonate every primer I’ve come across even when moderately fouled. It takes thousands of rounds in an M16 to get it to the point where light primer strikes are an issue. Simple solution… CLEAN YOUR RIFLE.

    The charging handle is there for administrative purposes only. You should never touch it during normal operation. It’s there basically to load your first round and to unload your weapon. All other times, you should be using the bolt hold open to charge your weapon for a reload. If it really bothers you, again, it’s a simple part with dozens of superior drop-in replacements available.

    • TheWolvesbane

      The G36 is fully ambidextrous as well.
      And I’ve never had any problems with brushing the safety on.
      A simple lift of the trigger finger, and boom, you’re safe.
      A short flick with the thumb and bam, you’re in semi.
      I found that to be far less comfortable than the AR-s selector when I was shooting that gun.
      As to the “accidentally going to full Auto” in the thousands of rounds I have through the G36 that didn’t happen to me once.
      It takes a very deliberate push to put it on ‘F’ on our SEF trigger groups =>Sicher(safe), Einzelfeuer(semi), Feuerstoß (literally burst, but actually it’s auto. Sometimes colloquially it gets called Frieden, which means peace)

      Light primer strikes aren’t an issue with the G36 either, not even if it’s not been cleaned in ages, I just gave it as an example.

      However I did have it happen to me once, due to our blank cartridges (Manövermunition, DM18) being of varying quality.
      Common malfunctions due to the varying amount of powder and general quality are shortstroking, very rarely light primer strikes, or the bolt not traveling back fast enough to properly throw out the old case, causing it to get stuck between the chamber and the boltface, with a new one already in the chamber (sounds nasty, but is easily enough fixable due to our beautiful reciprocating forward mounted charginghandle)
      The ammo not always being loaded to the right spec has the training advantage of soldiers learning how to clear malfunctions as they use the rifle in training, hencewhy such an ungerman thing as improperly loaded ammo exists in the German armed forces.

      As to using the bolt release for reloading, it sadly doesn’t exist on the G36 (one of its two flaws)

      Don’t get me wrong, the AR is a mighty fine rifle.
      But it’s just not anywhere near as ergonomic as other designs, and I personally would much prefer the other options available (if the rifle has to be replaced, which sadly it has to due to incompetent politicians and a media smear campaign)

      • pwrserge

        I think it’s more of what you’re used to. One thing to keep in mind is that most M4s are horrifically over gassed. Much more so if you stick a suppressor on it like the Marines are starting to. It loses something in the durability department as the rifle will beat itself to death over ~10k rounds, but I’ve never had extraction or ejection issues with a well serviced M4. (That was one of the things they messed around with when they upgraded the platform.)

        To me, this seems like a repeat of the entire FAL vs G3 fiasco. Thanks to this, the German military was stuck with possibly the worst of the full powered battle rifles until the G36 came around and they got stuck with the worst of the 5.56×45 carbines. The main advantage of adopting the M4 is that it has had several decades of hard combat use to work all the bugs out of the platform. No amount of engineering will replace the experience from hundreds of thousands of rifles throwing millions of rounds down range and figuring out exactly what can go wrong. The AR is a mature platform. Others, not so much.

  • azntactical

    No ITAR parts? Just have to make sure no fire control systems, armor parts, laser range finders with wavelengths exceeding 1064 nm, built in sights with aiming reticle and night vision is built in right?

  • scotfahey

    US Department of State , AKA SecState, has oversight of ITAR. time to roll back the Dept of State Budget by ending the idea the US SecState has a say in weapons