Panic Buying Bump Fire Stocks is Stupid

Slidefire stock

Slidefire stock

Don’t get me wrong. You have the right to pay whatever you want and vendors have the right to charge whatever the traffic will bear. Capitalism is awesome and there is no such thing as price gouging. But it’s beyond foolish to pay inflated prices in anticipation of a ban. There isn’t any likely scenario that plays out where your “investment” pays off.

Let’s say there is a ban. Now you have paid $600 or more to buy a thing that you will have to turn in. But maybe you molon the labe and hide it. Still, you can’t ever use it on the range. What good is it to you to keep this hidden felony?

Perhaps there isn’t an outright ban, but they are added to the NFA registry. Congratulations! Now you get to pay another $200 tax to keep the thing you already own. That is, unless they are considered to be a machine gun, like a DIAS or lightning link. Honestly, they would have a hard time classifying a bump fire stock as any other Title II device. In that case you’re back to the part where you now own something illegal and you have to turn it in or destroy it because the NFA registry was closed for machine guns in 1986 and you can’t register new ones.

Or, and this is probably the most likely scenario, it all fizzles out after the hysteria dies down and there is no ban. Nothing happens and the panic was all for naught, just like the previous panics. Congratulations! Your $600 stock is back to being worth $100.

Now, it is indeed possible that a ban is passed with a grandfather clause as with the AWB. In that case, you win. You get to keep your expensive range toy. Or sell it at an even more inflated price. But it still doesn’t serve any practical purpose for you. And, the way people are talking, it sounds as though if there is a ban, there isn’t likely to be any grandfather clause.

Please don’t take any of this to mean that I’m advocating for any of these outcomes. I’m just pointing out the possible ways this whole thing can turn out. The most likely outcomes are that you pay a lot of money for a thing you can’t keep or you pay a lot of money for something that will soon lose its value.

Unless you are on the other side of this transaction and you have suckers lined up around the block to pay 3-6 times what you paid for your stock. Then you would be a fool not to take their money. The only question is how long to wait for demand and price to increase before the bottom drops out.



Andrew

Andrew is a combat veteran of OEF and has performed hundreds of ballistic tests for his YouTube channel, The Chopping Block (https://www.youtube.com/user/chopinbloc). He is an avid firearm collector and competitor and lives with his family in Arizona. If you have any questions, you may email him at choppingblocktests@gmail.com


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  • Tym O’Byrne

    The govt banned drugs, doesnt seem to bother anybody, they still buy sell use drugs.

    Same thing with banning guns and their parts, the only wussies who turn them in are the

    ones who shouldnt have had them in the first place.

    • NanoSuitUser059 .

      Only macho men commit felonies, right?

      • Tym O’Byrne

        Just turn in every thing you have and move to England, make my day.

        • NanoSuitUser059 .

          Or just follow the stupid laws and try to change them. No need to give gun enthusiasts a bad name

          • Tym O’Byrne

            “gun enthusiasts”? I consider that a bad name, bearing arms is a God given right, not some sport for the weak willed to give up because a Govt says so.

          • NanoSuitUser059 .

            Keeping a gun in the home means you are using your right. Taking that gun to the range every so often, reading about guns and accessories online, and going to gun shows makes a gun enthusiast. There’s nothing weak willed about being fascinated by guns.

          • Bill

            Stop making sense, it doesn’t matter to people who think that God drafted an Amendment to our Constitution, or who forget that this is a representational Republic, and that they play a role in who makes up our government and what it does. That is, other than voting from the rooftops.

          • Budogunner

            Last I checked, bearing arms is a Constitutionally guaranteed right. If you believe God/Yahweh/Allah has told you that you may carry a gun in whatever configuration you want regardless of the civil contract we call “civilization” then I doubt anything the rest of us say will move you to consider another view.

            Yes, I support all individual rights, specifically enumerated in the Constitution and those that would fall under the 10th Amendment as existing by default. However, what we are facing is a legal/legislative issue, and that is the only arena in which I see a possible resolution.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Even if it is a right the government takes away our rights every day.

            Ever hear of “Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”?
            The gubmint takes away liberty every time it puts someone in jail and dont forget about the death penalty.

          • QuadGMoto

            When people violate the rights of others, that action causes them to lose their own rights. Therefore just punishment for a crime is not “taking away their rights.”

          • iksnilol

            I dunno, a god given right assumes no separation of religion and state… And y’know, assuming god is real.

          • QuadGMoto

            True. And if there is no such thing as universal, objective right and wrong, then there is no such thing as “rights”.

        • Jon Rambo

          Move to England? The love it or leave it argument is always the sign of a true intellectual. I thought it was Feinstein’s job to put out stupidity for everyone to see. I’m betting Tym O’Byrne balls like a baby the first time he gets handcuffed.

          • NanoSuitUser059 .

            The crying starts when he drops the soap

      • Haulin’ Oats

        Tell that to Martha Stewart.

    • Budogunner

      I don’t think the average American gun owner has any interest in being a criminal or renegade. We want to be model citizens, with families and communities we care about.

      If there is an issue worth thumbing your nose at the law over and risking double-digits in prison or being dead-on-site when SWAT shows up this is NOT it.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Nothing does more damage to our image than guys like that. Nobody I know has any interest in going to prison for the cause of shooting it out with the ATF.

        • iksnilol

          Besides, ATF just cheats if they start to lose. Just ask David Koresh. I mean, a firefight doesn’t mean a literal fire-fight.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Or the FBI might shoot your wife in the head.

          • iksnilol

            Yup.

            Good old days of high noon showdowns are sadly over.

          • Gabriel Owens

            Or your children.

      • st381183

        The average American gun may be gone because how the hell do you limit the rate of fire on a semi automatic rifle? Are you willing to amputate your trigger finger and wear pants without belt loops so you don’t risk running afoul of the law? This is not about bump fire stocks, those aren’t even listed in the proposed legislation. Instead of being a fair weather patriot how about contacting your representatives and logging your disapproval of the legislation.

        • Amplified Heat

          Time to wag our index fingers at them in defiance, you mean? (middle finger/archery reference)

  • Whiskey

    Just point and laugh at the people who are buying this garbage.

    • NanoSuitUser059 .

      It’s not garbage if you use it as the toy that it is.

  • tim203809

    Total junk. Save your money. I bought one years ago because it seemed fun/cool and it simply doesn’t work as advertised

    • uisconfruzed

      ? It’ll dump a mag in seconds, were you holding your mouth right?

    • TwoThirtyGr

      I used one and it worked great, no jams, no issues. Slide fire solutions stock (not the new version). A few vets fired it and had a blast.

    • Chop Block

      If it didn’t work, you were doing something wrong. My wife dumped a mag the first time she touched one with negligible instruction.

    • jacob stclair

      I had no problem putting 30 rounds in a torso target, at 50 yards in approximately 5 to 6 seconds ,with the $ 99.00 model. You must have had a faulty one but not sure how that can happen.

  • Bill

    I’ll trade the Beanie Baby collection moldering in my basement for one; they are both equally bad investments.

    • NanoSuitUser059 .

      Just get an Echo or Binary trigger. Much better “investment” and it is actually practical.

      • T Shaped

        What makes you think the echo trigger and copies won’t be banned right along with the bump stocks, exactly?

      • Budogunner

        Binary triggers are covered under the language of the bill Feinstein introduced.

        • NanoSuitUser059 .

          Aw that sucks.

        • QuadGMoto

          There are multiple bills doing exactly that.

        • Smedley54

          It would surprise me if that were all Feinstein put in her bill.

          • Budogunner

            Actually, the language of the one I saw was so vague and fuzzy as to display powerful ignorance of firearm technology.

            Here is the dangerous line:
            “It shall be unlawful for any person to import, sell, manufacture, possess a trigger crank, a bump fire device or any accessory that functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semi-automatic rifle…”

            If you think about this for more than half a second you will realsize this could be interpreted to include all match-grade/competition trigger assemblies. Those, by design, are intended to give competitors an edge by reducing length of travel, pull weight, and reset. The end result is shaving fractions of a second off of a competitor’s time.

            So now, who gets to define what acceptable trigger metrics are? Why not ban anything that allows you to shoot faster by shooting from reset? Make the world DAO. Well, lets consider that.

            Ever see Jerry Miculek run a revolver? He can empty a cylinder, reload, and empty the next with EVERY ROUND ON TARGET faster than the average cop could unholster and get an initial sight picture. We’re not even talking semi-autos here…

            The point is, accurate, rapid fire is attainable even if this bill passes. It will only require intense practice. Inaccurate, dangerous rapid fire will still be immediately attainable by the non-enthusiast.

            Bottom line, the ban is really moving against all semi-autos eventually and it would have done nothing to stop the recent tragedy.

          • ironked

            That is the point I have been trying to drill. Nanny’s bill has that vague last clause that demonizes any accessory in the world. They could very well outlaw the Apex trigger assembly you want to improve your crap Shield trigger. And hooo hoo, reduced pressure connectors turn your Glock into a machine gun. It’s not a slippery slope, It’s the fall into the outhouse pit.

          • Smedley54

            All of which is why the NRA favors administrative action by ATF rather than risk triggers designed by congressional committee made law. And if that law got people from all sides working together for more gun laws we’d have much more serious trouble very soon enough. Unless you’re the kind of person that reflexively opposes any kind of compromise, you’ll probably like administrative action over the legislative.

            Jerry Miculek is intelligent, talented, and he’s eaten up with work ethic. Just about the last person I’d expect to open fire on a school or a packed crowd. He has a rare talent, and more than a dash of idiosyncrasy, but no hint of crazy. If folks like him start shooting up crowds, then the Zombie Apocalypse is upon us.

      • Boyd Timothy Babcock

        Under at least some of the new proposed bills these would be banned. Anything that aids is shooting a semi auto faster will be banned. Do you really think that they are going to leave cranks and triggers alone? This is two dimensional thinking.

        • NanoSuitUser059 .

          No, it’s wishful thinking haha

        • Anonymoose

          There won’t be a ban. It’s all just news and marketing hype.

          • Boyd Timothy Babcock

            I hope you are right but they have republicans on board. The NRA folded on this. But I hope you are correct.

          • Dan

            They have a few republicans on board and they have a few more paying lip service to it, knowing there isn’t a chance it’s going to happen

          • Cal S.

            H.R. 3999 was just introduced by a Florida ‘Republican’. Any and all things that increase the rate of fire of a semi-auto would be banned. In other words, semi-autos would be banned since there’s no set ROF for semis.

          • Gabriel Owens

            Supposedly backed by the nra?

          • Cal S.

            Indeed. They no longer represent me.

          • Gabriel Owens

            Better not tell james yeager that. He’ll make a video about it.

          • Cal S.

            Now you’re making me want to go tell him personally…

          • Flounder

            some states have already proposed and passed bills…? A federal ban? Probably not. Maybe some unrelated feel good garbage but not a ban.

            But there are always poor laws made over these events.

          • Anonymoose

            Those states don’t actually have bumpfire bans because bumpfire stocks all have pistol grips, and those are already regulated in commie states.

        • Swarf

          Mah belt loops!

        • Ryfyle

          It could be an NFA issue.

        • Dan

          So the proposed bills would Ban Jerry Miculek? “Sorry Jerry you need pay$200 tax on your hands and wait for the background check before you can use them”

        • jacob stclair

          There is one small problem with your statement. Bump stocks and Franklin Binary triggers were never made legal through the ATF. Fostech Echo Triggers however were granted legality through the ATF, the only one. There is actually an approval letter directly for the Echo. After talking with an attorney, the ATF can make a provision to the Hugh’s Act in 1986. Since it is not actually full auto but has been approved, they could make them a item to be registered with the ATF with deadline. Serialized and stamped as a pull and release trigger, new provision but not full auto. The courts will be stuffed with law suits if made illegal, since already deemed legal.

          • Jim Rawles

            I talked with Franklin Armory this week. The DO INDEED have an ATF approval letter for their BFS-III binary trigger.

      • Cal.Bar

        While I find the binary trigger MUCH more practical etc., it is very UNLIKELY that the ATF/Fed will ONLY ban bump fire stocks. they will more than likely copy CA’s laws which ban ANYTHING which can be used to enhance the rate of fire on the weapon. That will include binary triggers as well.

        • jacob stclair

          I made an earlier post pertaining to the Echo and binary triggers. Binary triggers were never approved anyway just the ATF turning their heads. The Echo was approved and a letter provided stating the reasons for approval. The ATF will be buried in law suits with the Echo, so a provision with registry under a new title may be on the way just for the Echo. Class III. By the way, used to have registered full auto, sold to buy an Echo. My opinion, safer or just as safe as full auto. Most judge on something they have never even used.

      • Ark

        Binary triggers are inherently unsafe.

        • jacob stclair

          If you are an idiot or brand new to firearms, yes they can be dangerous.

          • Ark

            Fire one round and you are now holding the trigger against what is effectively a deadman switch for a live round.

    • jamezb

      Wait…you’re still holding beans? Interest is back up at the moment, now is the time to liquidate them!!
      …seriously.
      (–former black market beanie baby dealer)

      • Bill

        Yeah, I actually sorta wondered that, I have a buttload of them from when my spawn was into them.

      • Mystick

        …[seedy man approaches you on the street]… “Yo, mang, I gots what you need, mang. Pure, uncut Ty”… [man looks around suspiciously and opens trench coat to reveal merchandise] …”Fresh off the truck, mang… dem fly kids be itching for this sheet, mang. Still gots the tags, yo!”

    • El Duderino

      I got some shares of Enron for those Beanie Babies. Lemme know.

  • thedonn007

    How hard would it be to make one yourself?

    • pun&gun

      It’s nothing but plastic. You could 3-D print it easily. If people go ban-happy on it, you can bet there’ll be 3-D printing patterns on the internet in days.

      • ostiariusalpha

        Why even 3D print one? You can just use a simple board to do what a bump fire stock does.

        • mouse

          Or a rubber band, I saw a video the other day, loop band around top of trigger, stretch around the mag well, hook end on trigger. Within 20 rounds I was simulating full auto bursts with a Scorpion SBR suppressed.

    • Smitty Werbenjagermanjensen

      Pretty easy using a steel or alluminum bracket/take-off LE Stock/A2 Grip.

      Safety detent hole might need to be threaded for a set screw though. Honestly it cant be more than 15-20 bucks if you have a spare stock/grip

    • RocketScientist

      Do you have belt-loops and thumbs? already got your bumpfire stock then.

      • thedonn007

        LOL, thanks for the suggestion, but I would like to hit what I am aiming at.

        • RocketScientist

          And you think a bumpfire stock will accomplish that? Consider that the LV shooter emptied an estimated 200 rounds at short range towards the Mandalay Bay security guard who discovered him, and by all accounts only hit him once, non-fatally. Those things are WILDLY inaccurate, no less-so than bump-firing using the thumb and belt loop trick. Literally the only way they’d be effective is if you were shooting at a target area so large that no accuracy was needed. Like a large crowd at a concert.

          • Chop Block

            Shooting through walls and doors isn’t very accurate, either.
            😉

          • RocketScientist

            Reports from both the security guard and the facilities engineer who were responding to the opened fire door were that he was firing down the hallway at them for at least part of it. Not through through the door. Are you seriously trying to argue that bump-fire stocks are reasonably accurate?

          • iksnilol

            Gun Jesus had luck with one on a semi RPK firing from the prone.

    • Cymond

      A bump stock would be a lot of work, but people have made them from wood.
      A bump stick would take a couple minutes if you already have a board, drill, and piece of pipe.

      • thedonn007

        I just had to search for bump stick. I have not heard of that before. Looks a lot easier to make than a bump fire stock.

    • jacob stclair

      Too damn easy. I along with others I know, built these things over 20 years ago. Remove the pistol grip. Pull the spring on a regular stock so it slides, rivet a piece of aluminum flat bar and rivet the grip, bamn, DIY.

  • Ambassador Vader

    Just another bump (stock) in the road.

  • uisconfruzed

    I’ve been trying to get close to what I paid for mine, GB works for me.

  • lynyrd65

    My hope is they pass a bill calling them machine guns but in the interest of preventing confiscation use it as an excuse to repeal the Hughes amendment in the same bill. That way we can register these stocks or……. buy/build new legal post ‘86 MGs!

    • NanoSuitUser059 .

      You’re a genius. Too bad Dems would make it political suicide for anyone that votes in favor of that. The spineless Republicans outnumber the ones willing to fight for our 2A rights by a lot.

      • Chop Block

        That’s the point of a poison pill.

    • Budogunner

      Which world would you rather live in, Mr./Mrs. Anti-gunner, one in which rapid fire is possible with OR without an unregulated part or one in which it is more safely accomplished by devices designed for the purpose… and carry serial numbers sold with the same level of regulation as any other firearm?

      Offering dissolution of the NFA as an alternative may not be a bad idea. People invent these things because they find submitting to fingerprinting, photographs, a $200 luxury tax, and a 1.5 year wait time to be painfully undesireable. Reduce the barrier to entry in a responsible way, make them Title I again, and watch this market vanish.

      Rapid fire at ranges will spike briefly, ammo costs will go up, then people will only rarely shoot in anything other than semi-auto due to economy and practicality.

    • Chop Block

      I’ve been saying the way to handle it is to cosponsor the bills, then attach poison pills to each. National Constitutional carry, repeal Hughes, repeal ’68 GCA, repeal ’34 NFA, etc.

      • lynyrd65

        This makes a ton of sense. Attach it and it passes? Win for us. Attach it and it kills it? Also win for us.

        This is the obvious solution to this bill

      • Stephen Paraski

        Never happen. Look at post’s from some folks here who have many $ tied up in ownership. They view these as legit “Investments” and will fight to keep them as a special class & tax status. No full auto for dirty poor, Hi Point blow back for you all.

        • Chop Block

          You’re not wrong. But it doesn’t have to pass. Add a poison pill amendment and the bill isn’t passed. The point isn’t how awesome it would be if it did, it won’t. The point is that it’s a great way to give them the finger. We should all be calling representatives to ask them to add poison pills.

  • ActionPhysicalMan

    I was thinking the exact same thing. Also, if I though it was a useful item I would have bought one a while ago, but to me it has no utility whatsoever. I do want an automatic weapon and some grand sunny day when my ship comes in I will get one.

    • Chop Block

      Same here. Bump stocks are almost as fun as real full auto. But they have little practical value.

  • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad
    • Swarf

      If I had MS Paint on my iPhone (!), I’d do a companion piece with “Bump Fire Stocks” crossed out instead.

      • truthsayer

        “…there is no such thing as price gouging.” Really?
        No such things as monopolism, crony capitalism, unjust wages, or usury either?

        If you are not a pagan or atheist, you might reconsider Luke 6:32-36.

        • Cymond

          Huh?
          Where did Swarf say any thing about price gouging?

          • Swarf

            He’s looking for Arguments.

            This is Exasperated Complaining, truthsayer. Arguments is 2 doors over.

      • oldJay

        haha, plus one on that. “Go home, the mall is closing now, ninjas”

      • Edeco

        We sent a message by emptying the shelves in 2012. This is a point Andrew misses.

        • Swarf

          Yeah, and that message was that herd animals are prone to panic en masse when threatened.

          • Edeco

            Call it that if you like. Seems superfluous to me, I mean, yeah it was a panicked herd but crowds can be way less rational. But whatevs. Do you think it strengthened our position, weakened it or neither? I think it strengthened.

          • Swarf

            I guess I’m curious why you think that. No smart-assery intended.

            I mean, I suppose it showed that we have money to spend, but how many non gun folks really noticed there was anything happening beyond the occasional “look at these hicks lining up for .22” news story.

            I don’t think Wall Street was afeared of our might.

          • Edeco

            For one thing it’s costly signaling. I’m not surprised that’s a conceptual blind spot for Andrew. Anyway it signals resolve.

            Less important but still a million times more useful than dialogue or voting, it’s practical. It get’s the stuff spread out and feeds the industry.

          • Chop Block

            This guy gets it. The only message sent by previous panics is that gun buyers are paranoid and easily manipulated.

  • Boyd Timothy Babcock

    If they ban them you can turn them in, bury them or hide them in some way. Unless you own a lot of land where you can fire them without anyone knowing you can not shoot them. So of what good will they do. I for one own one and will sell the the second it looks like it will be banned. If they grandfather them in or put them under NFA I will keep them but banned its useless.

    • Cymond

      If it looks like a ban without grandfathering, then there will be few buyers, and the smart ones will only buy work cash from a trusted friend.

      I’m selling now. It was just collecting dust, and bidding is already $25 more than I paid for it.

  • Matt B

    Blah blah blah is stupid.
    ~Andrew

    Brilliant as always.

  • QuadGMoto

    Given that even a Republican has introduced a bill that makes any possession of a device or part of a device “that is designed and functions to increase the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but does not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun,” deserving of a 5 year prison stay, it doesn’t seem all that likely to fizzle, especially since the NRA openly stated that they oppose high-rate of fire rifles.

    And no, the bill doesn’t define anything any better than that. How fast is “too fast”? Undefined. What is the “normal rate of fire”? Undefined. Does trigger weight have anything to do with it? Undefined. Is it just “bump stocks”? Absolutely not.

    * The bill was introduced by “Mr. Curbelo” of Florida.

    • Ryfyle

      There’s a whole lot of aftermarket parts companies who might lobby it to death. Secondly, the paddock case is mired in secrets.

      • QuadGMoto

        My initial thought about this was that the aftermarket parts companies shouldn’t have to lobby against it. They should be shoved aside by the citizens of this country beating down the doors of their representatives demanding that this atrocity be killed.

        And then I saw this a few minutes ago:

        We call upon ATF to conduct a prompt review and evaluation of aftermarket trigger activation devices such as bump stocks to determine whether they are lawful to install and use on a firearm under the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA), or whether, if they have no function or purpose other than to convert a conventional firearm into an automatic firearm, they are regulated items under the NFA.

        We urge Congress to allow ATF to complete its review before considering any legislation so that any policy decisions can be informed by the facts and ATF’s analysis.

        This is from a joint press release by the NSSF (an industry lobbying group) and SAAMI. This statement is better than the NRA’s on two points: 1) They didn’t openly say that it’s okay to violate the 2nd Amendment over full-auto, and 2) They called for holding off on more legislation. But otherwise, it matches the action “requested” by the NRA and implies that the NFA is “settled law” despite it’s obvious infringement of the Constitution.

        So I wouldn’t count on the parts manufacturers carrying the day if their lobbying group has already thrown them under the bus.

        • Mystick

          Bump stocks don’t “activate” the triggers…. the operator’s finger does. Bump stocks just take advantage of “ergonomic inertia”…

          People should not be permitted to make laws based upon subjects they clearly know nothing about.

          • Swarf

            Like… guns?

          • Amplified Heat

            No, physics. That goes for gunowners, too.

          • Mystick

            Like…. anything. Guns, health care, carbon emissions, yoga… whatever.

        • Ryfyle

          Thankfully with a new Atrocity that has leaked out of Hollywood, our easily sidetracked congress might forget about this and attempt to ban pants some how.

          • Lillarryvickers

            Dam you are funny 😉

        • Wzrd

          What drives me crazy about these statements is that the ATF has already reviewed, evaluated, & APPROVED these devices as legal under the NFA. It is basically encouraging them to change their minds & issue a new “opinion” making these things illegal- reinforcing their bullshit arbitrary practices & giving them more power. Supported by the NRA, NSSF, SAAMI, etc. even if only superficially, it will embolden the ATF to further infringe 2A.

          • S O

            The legislative branch is well above the ATF. It’s their job to tell the ATF what to do in general. The executive branch leaders’ (POTUS, head of ATF) jobs is to tell them what to do in detail.

            The opinion of the AG or the ATF on what’s legal doesn’t matter once a new, specific law says that it’s illegal.

    • TalbotFarwell

      The NRA is doing a damn fine job of making me hate the fact that I ever joined that damn Fudd organization. We need a pro-2nd Amendment group explicitly meant for the under-40 crowd.

      • st381183

        Gun Owners of America

  • Lee Attiny

    I didn’t care for bump stocks before and I certainly don’t care for them now. If I really wanted full auto I’d buy the tax stamp and pony up the cash.

  • civilianaf

    Andrew, I love the article. This products falls into Gucci Mall Ninja Range poser category.

    • Chop Block

      Not that there’s anything wrong with buying things just because they are fun.

  • Ratcraft

    They are fun to shoot. I have a blast with mine. then again I don’t go out into the woods wearing my latest 5.11 tac gear with a chest rig and plate carrier role playing like a serious operator. After reading this and the comments I see some people take what they own serious. As in “I would never own that it’s gay” yet they have 4 1911’s…..

  • Indianasteve

    I’m so glad I found a website that doesn’t allow political discusion and only talks about guns and gun related items and events……..

    Now I can stop coming to TFB.

    • Cymond

      What website did you find?
      Because I’d really like to visit them.

      • Indianasteve

        Sorry to get your hopes up, but I was being facetious. I am so tired of reading comments from people that wave the rebel flag and spout their war on the Government rhetoric. If I do find one I will post it, if TFB will let me.

  • Ryfyle

    So time to panic build Bump fire stocks

  • iowaclass

    You actually think there is going to be a mass turn-in order for the hundreds of thousands of bumpstocks already in the hands of citizens?

    Ever heard of the 5th Amendment?

    • Cymond

      The 5th says you don’t have to testify against yourself. It won’t help you at all if you get caught with something illegal.
      I personally don’t see the point of having something I can’t ever use, and if I were willing to risk prison for a nifty gun, then I’d go straight to a true autosear.

      • iowaclass

        “nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. “

    • Bill

      I’d be REALLY surprised in there were “hundreds of thousands” of bumpstocks in the wild. It’s really a niche piece of junk.

      • iowaclass

        According to published reports, Slide Fire did $10 Million its first year. at $200 per unit, do the math.

        • Bill

          I’m REALLY surprised. I can’t remember ever seeing one in the wild.

          • iowaclass

            Yeah, because most ranges prohibit rapid fire.

          • jacob stclair

            I have seen plenty. Not my thing but there are many.

  • Cymond

    I agree that’s it stupid to buy one with a potential ban looming (absent a grandfather clause). Likewise, it’s stupid to continue owning one.

    Hence, I’m selling. It’s already $25 over what I paid, with 5 days left on the bidding.

  • Cal S.

    Yeah, but…I never wanted these so bad until the NRA said I shouldn’t have them… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1faaace63414475d592706a2c5ba794746923e932ae0945012fd4cafe5d1a34f.png

  • Bill O’Rights

    Or maybe the Fudds and other sunshine gun owners stand up and refuse to continue to be disarmed?

    Let them ban bump stocks today because “I don’t need one,” and in 5 years they will go after all semi-auto guns because they can be bump fired with your belt loop or rubber bands. How can you object to them not being banned when the same reasoning is used for bump stocks that you either supported or allowed?

    Oh, but then you will stand up. Sure.

    Gun owners are almost as great a danger to preserving the 2A as leftist gun grabbers.

  • st381183

    I agree panic buying is stupid. Whether or not there is a ban on rate of fire increasing devices is yet to be seen from the Republican written bill by RINO Carlos Curbelo (R) Fl. If TFB wants to get involved then dammit get involved because the 2nd Amendment is under a very real assault from those we traditionally rely on to fight for it. TFB needs to join the fight or shut the hell up. There is no middle ground right now!

  • int19h

    > Perhaps there isn’t an outright ban, but they are added to the NFA registry. Congratulations! Now you get to pay another $200 tax to keep the thing you already own.

    As I recall, in past cases that were similar, ATF waived the $200 tax for initial registration.

  • int19h

    Generally speaking, the smart thing was to buy TWO of them as soon as news reports made it clear they were there. Wait until the panic buying starts, sell one at several times the price. Now you have another one for free – if you have to surrender it, you’re not losing anything. If it goes on the NFA registry, it’s a collector item.

  • jonp

    Your last paragraph says it all.

    • Chop Block

      Lol, right?

  • Obi Sean

    Nobody in the government knows you have one, and they aren’t going to know when you sell it to some shady character “on the street” to recoup some of your losses.

    • Andrew

      If you sell something like a bumpstock which is illegal, it is very likely to be used in a crime. Enjoy that accessory charge(s).

    • Chop Block

      If you think the government couldn’t scrape every post anyone made about owning a thing from publicly visible websites, you’re pretty naive. If you think they wouldn’t subpoena the sales records of Slidefire, then you’re just plain slow.

  • Bert

    Keep rustling those jimnies, Andrew!

  • Ark

    Bump stocks are so freaking stupid. I’m really not shedding a tear for them, unless the end legislation ends up criminalizing all aftermarket triggers.

  • USMC03Vet

    It’s crazy how much hate bumpfire gets all of a sudden. Reminds me of hipsters trying to out hip each other. I hated bumpfire before it was popular to hate bumpfire!

    I’d take a bumpfire over glock magazine plates, back, plates, and charging handles designed for ape hands any day without shame.

  • ConcernedCitizen31

    Why buy? The same reason you exercise your 2nd Amendment rights – protect yourself against a tyrannical government that comes for your guns. This is the closest thing to a machine gun that you are going to get. If they are banned, you will never be able to buy. …or do you just buy guns for the range?

    They may eventually make it a felony to own, but the Constitution says my “rights shall not be infringed. How would they ever know you have one if you save it just in case?

  • will ford

    I would not own one, BUT could care less if someone buys one. If I am not mistaken it is “THEIR RIGHT”. You cry babies need to lose your right to own firearms. “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”???????

  • Anoni Mouse

    You cant make owning something that was legal to buy when you did illegal.

    Its specifically forbidden in our constitution.
    This means that worse case scenario the stocks are not transferable after whatever happens. Best case nothing happens and people wasted there money preparing for the worst case.

    • Chop Block

      Really? How did that work out for alcohol or other drug prohibitions? You misunderstand ex post facto. They can’t make it illegal for you to do something after you did it. So they can pass a bill making it illegal to wear red shoes but they can’t punish you for wearing them last Thursday. In this case it would be illegal to have a thing after a certain date. You can’t be punished for having had it before, but if you continue to possess it, you are *currently* violating the law. And due process doesn’t help you either because the law was (will be) passed legally and you’ll have your day in court if you get caught.

      • Anoni Mouse

        You misunderstand how prohibition worked. It outlawed the “manufacture, sale or transportation of intoxicating liquors”. If you had a legal bottle of booze you could keep it and continue to drink it. My source is only the law, and the History channel – “By law, any wine, beer or spirits Americans had stashed away in January
        1920 were theirs to keep and enjoy in the privacy of their homes. For
        most, this amounted to only a few bottles, but some affluent drinkers
        built cavernous wine cellars and even bought out whole liquor store
        inventories to ensure they had healthy stockpiles of legal hooch.”

        I am sorry you are so misinformed.

        • Chop Block

          I was mistaken. Convenient you ignored the other examples.

          • Anoni Mouse

            Marijuana is a much trickier subject. It’s move from totally legal was more to target African Americans and Mexicans in the states at the time. It was also not banned, it simply had a federal tax levied against it. So technically if you got that federal stamp proving you paid the tax (they you would never get) it would be perfectly legal to own and smoke. Other laws came later, but the original one wasn’t an outright prohibition by making ownership.