What to Expect with California’s New Ammo Laws | Guest Post

Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


  • Major Tom

    And not one of those measures passes Constitutional muster per Heller v DC or MacDonald v Chicago.

    I foresee this entire thing falling to the SCOTUS by decade’s end or shortly after.

    • datimes

      It’s likely this will never pass serious judicial review. I believe they (the dedicated Left) know this. They have done this type of thing in places like Chicago and DC. It fortifies their base and brings accolades to those who dream this stuff up. Additionally, they get place impositions on objects and people they don’t like. Their lawyers are on the State payroll and those who oppose this will have to dig deep. When they lose it will just be done all over again with new limitations.

      • Major Tom

        If the Left knew it, they wouldn’t be practicing the textbook definition of insanity (doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result).

        • datimes

          I view it more as a retreating (losing) occupying army doing as much destruction as possible on the at out to impose maximum punishment on that enemy.

        • Eric S

          It’s a war of attrition. Every time they pass a stupid new law, resources have to be spent to fight it. Resources which will then not be spent on gaining ground.

        • Cymond

          They don’t expect different results. Even a temporary victory is still a victory.

        • Darren Fonseca

          Which textbook is that?

      • Billy Jack

        Which means they still win. Nothing is done to prevent their repeating the process.

      • Edeco

        I wish we could have comprehensive legal reform to give the private individual more tools. But then the situation we have wasn’t put up by aliens… I don’t think. If we took carte blanche now we’d just screw it up uagain. Before reform could do any good people would need to find liberty within themselves.

    • Nandor

      With SCOTUS denying cert on any 2A cases, and Gorsuch and Thomas making it clear to the public that none of the other justices care about upholding the 2A, this will stand with little resistance.

      • ProudAmerican

        “Any excuse is better than no excuse…”

      • Cal.Bar

        Sadly, you are right on the money

      • UpChuck.Liberals

        Really, Ginsberg isn’t long for this world. That should be enough. CalGuns, Firearms Policy Coalition and the NRA are fighting this nonsense. As for the ammo, it’s not like Nevada is that far away.

        • For someone who has little means, the 270 mile trip from Los Angeles to Vegas, or the 240 mile trip from Los Angeles to Quartzite IS a big deal. At best, it is a full day of driving for the round trip plus the finding and buying. It’s either use a sick day from work, or spend an entire day of their weekend ….just to buy ammo. And then there is the part about risking a misdemeanor charge for transporting ammo across state lines. And who is more likely to get profiled, stopped, and searched on his way back into California – the person of color driving a well-used beater (because that’s what he can afford), or the the white senior citizen driving a late model Buick or Cadillac? Who is more likely to be able to afford an attorney to take the case all the way to SCOTUS after being arrested for illegal transport of ammo – that person of color driving the beater, or the old white guy in the Caddy? As usual, California gun laws target the poor more intensely than they do the rich – which is in itself a rich irony. in fact, the richer you get, the more you can afford to hire men who already have all that stuff so you don’t have to dirty your hands with it.

          And then there is the cost of gas in California, which is riDIculously inflated. “It’s not like Nevada is that far away” is all around a bigger deal for people who can barely afford to own and shoot a gun now. Let’s not lose sight of that. Their effing commie laws are in and of themselves a form of social injustice. They place more stumbling blocks between the poor and their exercise of their 2nd Amendment RIGHT than they do between the rich and that same right.

          I moved from California to Texas in 2006, after having lived most of my life there. I was born in 1952, so I have watched up close and personal the destructive force of liberalism on society, and the fading to near permanent removal of conservative influence on it, over the span of 54 years. And after moving to a free state where I can observe with increased detachment, I have watched with increasing dismay the corrosive effects of that leftist ideology on the once-great state of California.

          Yes, I know that there are still some good solid conservatives and libertarians there who work hard for the preservation of the 2nd Amendment, and who invest enormous amounts of time and capital in so doing; and I credit them with carrying on a brave fight. BUT….. I have also observed that there are a great many Californians who would describe themselves as “conservative”, who are much like the proverbial frogs being so slowly boiled alive that they fail to do anything about it.

          I personally don’t think that California is recoverable. The tipping point has been passed. The totalitarians have succeeded in pushing the state into the dustbin of freedom history, and all that is left is the last spasm of actual political violence ending its relevance to the rest of the country, or its membership as a state therein.

          If anyone wants to see a clear vision of California’s future, read Kurt Schlichter’s fictional novel “People’s Republic“. Also, the second book in Matthew Bracken’s “Enemies” trilogy – “Domestic Enemies: The Reconquista” proposes a similar dystopian future. It would be easy to dismiss those outcomes as preposterous, but I’ve been an observer of California for 65 years now, and it’s not only not preposterous, it’s near completion. It’s just that the water of daily life most Californians have been been living in has so slowly been raised to a boiling temperature that they haven’t noticed it.

        • Scott Goofus

          Your first sentence brought a huge smile to my face 🙂

    • Ark

      But the Ninth Circuit is primarily in the business of enabling California to behave like their own country.

      • Johnboy70

        Hey the turds keep voting these people in WTF do you expect.

    • Black Dots

      Your lips to God’s ears.

    • ciscokid3750

      Forget Heller the Supreme Court and lower Courts already have buried it and relegated it to the dead hand of the past. No Court ever passed up a chance to increase its power over the people and banning guns and ammo is the nirvana of the various Courts wet dreams of becoming all powerful over the people. Banning semi-auto’s “approved in state after state”, banning magazine capacities “approved in State after State, ammo restrictions and ammo registration, ” will be approved in California which will set a precedent for the East Coast States to immediately follow, banning all carry rights outside the home, “already approved in California”.
      As you can see the Constitution gives you “zero rights” and always has, rather it is the corrupt court system that determines what rights the “proletariat” can have subject to “public opinion” of course which keeps the courts in power.
      Is this any different than 3rd world dictatorships? No, its just a difference in semantics.

    • cruzo1981

      We can only pray that happens.

  • datimes

    I didn’t see anything in these new draconian laws that would impact a reloader.

    • 1911Junkie

      Shhh, don’t give them any ideas! Next thing you know reloading components mail order will be illegal too.

      • Nandor

        This is what happened in NY after the SAFE Act. Same limitations on internet orders in effect, although because of wishy washy wording of the law, a handful of internet ammo sellers are still shipping directly to certain areas. I took up reloading specifically because of the SAFE Act but realistically it’s only a matter of time until that’s cut off as well.

    • Drewogatory

      The easiest way around this is to get your C&R+Ca. Certificate of exemption. Then you’ll still be able to order online and have it shipped directly to you as well as being allowed to “import” ammo from free states.

      • 1911Junkie

        Yes, but most vendors still won’t ship to you, regardless of whether you have a valid FFL03+COE. They just don’t want to deal with all this BS, and honestly, I cannot blame them, if I had a firearms-related business, I would probably do the same.

        • Drewogatory

          Some will, some won’t. Calguns forum is keeping track of vendors who say they will continue to do business with 03s.

    • Eddie_Baby

      They will get to those eventually.

  • Freedom Mike

    Number of new gun crimes that will be prevented with these new laws = 0.

    • Billy Jack

      You mean to tell me criminals don’t care about law? Go figure. How do they expect to get ahead in life?
      Joke’s on us.

    • gunsandrockets

      Technically, these changes in the law creates brand new “gun crimes”, of which no doubt there will be many many many violations. But those violations are all victimless crimes (as is typical with virtually all “gun control” laws).

      It is fairer to say ‘the number of new violent crimes that will be prevented by these new gun control laws = 0’

      • Edeco

        Well, we can always use more people broke, locked up and/or unemployable [/sarc]

        • Random Disabled Person

          You forgot the best perk, they get to make the gun owners non gun owners by the stupid illegal and unconstitutional laws. /sarcasm

          • Edeco

            Yup. It’s way more fun to put a felony rap on a nonviolent, first-time “felon”. Massive quality of life damage.

    • pismopal

      The Democrats do not care about preventing gun crime. The left are into CONTROL..and by the left, I mean the Democrat Party. They also don’t care about how many blacks are murdered by blacks or anyone else. Why would they care when the hot button issue is law enforcement? This is about control..government control.

  • Wolfgar

    I guess the word infringe has about as much meaning today as the words male and female. “Hell being the complete lack of reason” is our new existence. Good by USA , it was a great ride and I will miss you.

  • Its simple… time to move out of Cali.

    “for it will be better for Sodom and Gomorrah on that day…”


    • Timmah_timmah

      Agreed. I don’t know how anyone pays a cent in tax to these crooks.

  • eqd

    Isn’t the injunction granted by Judge Benitez, preventing 10 round magazine possession becoming illegal, still in effect?

    • Russ Kell

      You can see how much they are paying attention to it. It is a given that the 9th Circus will overturn it.

      • art frewin

        bad laws are meant to be broken. i would have to become a criminal if i had to live there.

    • Gary F. Brennan

      Yes it is.

  • Matt O

    It disgusts me that they call themselves the Department of Justice.

    • gene

      I thought they changed the name to “Department of Social Justice”, no?

    • Wood

      Call it what it is, “Ministry of Justice”

  • Michelle & Randy Krieger

    Here is a prediction: The law of unintended consequences will not be ignored. When you have to pay for a background check to buy ammo and you have to drive far to do it, people will buy start buying in large quantities to prorate the overhead expense. Next year the moral panic will be about people stockpiling large amounts of ammo.

    • Russ Kell

      I expect to see quite a few Californian’s buying ammo here in Vegas and transporting bulk lots back to Calif. on their trips.

      Then someone will get caught.

      Queue the ‘unregulated and dangerous states like Nevada and Arizona’ talk.

      If NV stays Blue, our state despots passing laws to either mirror California’s or to criminalize ammo sales to out of state residents. One county (Clark) will cheer the ‘victory’, the other 15 counties in NV (who will oppose the measure) will get that much more angry with Clark dictating to the rest of the state.

      Rinse, repeat.

      • STW

        Once upon a time California DOJ staked out gun shows in Reno recording California license numbers. It was fairly common for those cars to be stopped by police when they drove back across the state line in a search for contraband.

      • Sampson

        Believe it or not, the California DOJ went after retailers in *Nevada* selling standard capacity magazines to California residents under an insane theory of “conspiracy to violate California law.” The retailers didn’t have the resources to fight the California DOJ, so they started checking ID whenever they sold magazines.

      • Publius

        At the rate Nevada is becoming Californicated, I’m glad I left.

    • Bill Baskin

      Which I have been doing since this nonsense was passed. I have zero intention of ever applying for an “ammo card”. I would imagine their are many millions of rounds being stockpiled as write this, if anything, to not pay higher CA retail prices plus fees.

      • Eddie_Baby

        And reloading components.

    • gunsandrockets

      Yep. The invisible hand of the free market will drive people to buy ammunition by the case instead of by the box.

    • Chris Miller

      Unfortunately, they already laid the groundwork to address that. A person can only buy X amount of rounds and if more than that is purchased in a certain period of time, the purchases are flagged for LE to investigate. Doesn’t help that there is an additional tax per rnd/ box (don’t remember which).

    • art frewin

      prohibition creates crime and it will only increase the black market and put money in the pockets of some of the worst people. we were suppose to learn this in the 30’s.

      the anti gun people are doing this like eating an elephant one bite at a time. a slow transition to to ammo or firearms. that is their goal. no compromise. they will force a lot of people to become criminals.

      we know it will not make us safer. those areas with the strictest gun control have the most violence. gun free places are where these degenerates will pray on their victoms.

  • Mattblum

    Screw em. I’ve stockpiled what I use and I’m practicing with air guns. Will move in a year or two.

    • art frewin

      pretty soon cal will only have illegals and they are use to not being aloud guns. they are use to having less freedom. maybe we could just turn the wall straight north at the california boarder.

  • Billy Jack

    July 4, 2020
    * All privately owned firearms are illegal. Authorities will go house to house to make sure all firearms are turned in.

    • Nathan Alred

      Billy Jack – I watched your movie. YOU might be badass enough to go door-to-door, but I’m sure not. And I’m not sure where you would find enough cops that thought they were to do the deed.

      • Billy Jack

        I won’t take credit for being the real Billy Jack. I’d like to think he wouldn’t do that.
        I’ve seen California law enforcement try to manipulate people into allowing warrantless searches of homes based on old info on formerly licensed gun owners who resided at the location in the past. The cops involved had no problem misleading or intimidating people. On video too. It was some state squad detailed with following up on old licensees who had restraining orders and convictions which ended their ability to legally possess a firearm. Even when told the person in question no longer resided there they still tried to gain entry.
        Lots of people act differently in groups than as individuals. Lots of good men do horrific things when ordered to.

        Troops and police did take firearms during Katrina. That’s how we’d like things to be and how they are. I hope you’re right though.

        • MB

          No LEO taking guns in Houston. In fact a Sheriff stated live on FOX news that ” The citizens of this county support the 2nd Amendment, don’t loot or chances you will leave here in a bag” In Texas it’s legal to carry a loaded gun in your car, no permit required, car jacking is extremely rare here. An armed society is a polite society.

          • Billy Jack

            Go to the wrong place anywhere and you can get car jacked. Loaded gun in the car without permit is legal many places. I have taken notice of no Ray Nagin style second amendment violations. I doubt northern Texas would sit by. Plus the mayor of Houston is already in deep feces for not evacuating.
            Look at Utah with the knowing false arrest of that nurse trying to cover their behinds with the DUI chase. Things are all good until they aren’t. I’m pretty sure my sheriff wouldn’t send people door to door but he ain’t the national guard.
            Hey if I’m wrong I’m just a pessimist. If I’m right…

      • gunsandrockets

        California is the only State I am aware of that has a State Police unit dedicated to enforcement of the State’s gun control laws.

    • They’re so dedicated to their “blood in the streets” narrative that if it just ain’t happenin’ in the real world, by Jove they’ll go out and make it happen.

  • Vincent

    And so, my efforts to become a gun owner will be further hampered by these new laws and the inevitable panic buying of both firearms and ammunition that will absolutely hamstring me even more.

    Can’t head off to a gun friendly state yet either due to that never ending chase of financial security and the fact that I’m Californian is a turn off for some.

    Ah, the joys of being a gun loving Californian.

    • Timmah_timmah

      Not your fault, but it is time to move on brother. You will be much better off for it. Take your tax dollars elsewhere and view the inevitable CA implosion from afar.

      • UpChuck.Liberals

        The only problem is that the cancer is spreading quickly.

        • art frewin

          we know what to do with cancer, CUT IT OUT!! if we stay focused we can stop it. we stop the loss of our second by putting hillawitch666 out to pasture. the supreme court is in our favor now and for the near future. support all of these organization like the NRA and all of the other ones that protect or help protect our rights. without those organization we would have lost the fight already.

    • gunsandrockets

      You ain’t seen nothing yet. Just wait until Gavin Newsom becomes Governor of California in 2019.

    • art frewin

      i live in utah and it is not legal to be an adult here. it is illegal for anyone to have a keg of beer. the reason, so kids can’t have keggers. i am sure it stopped them.

      guns and ammo are selling for good prices now. if it were me, (i will never visit cal or any of the anti 2nd states. they won’t get 1 penny from me), i would go get your bulk ammo at a good price. the laws aren’t in affect yet are they? both guns and ammo are great prices now, go get what you need. i would also pick up some standard magazines to stash. get 4 or 5 10 rounders also.

      • gunsandrockets

        The last time anyone could legally buy or import +10 magazines in Commiefornia was 1999.

        And now even those +10 magazines that were in legal possession are contraband, a crime to possess. That new magazine ban became operative on July 1st 2017.

        That is the “moderate”, “common sense”, “gun safety”, legislation our enemy wants to impose on the entire nation.

        • art frewin

          i do feel sorry for you. i think if it is challenged in the supreme court those laws would be over turned. we have a majority in the supreme court now because of trump. this last election was the closest i have ever seen this country get to loosing our unalienable right. guns that are in common use are legal. the ar is probably the most common gun as well as ak’s. the 30 round magazines are standard mags not extended. now while i understand what you are saying , i am hoping logic prevails. if the US takes our right to own guns or even ar’s they can come and take them from me because i would rather be dead then live in this country at that time. i believe our side is winning and gaining ground. we just need to pursue our rights and not let this country drift further into communism. i do not want to give up any more of my rights and i want a lot of my rights back. i can only hope we can head in that direction. the rich are afraid of the citizens and of course in communism they have to control everyone and the easiest for them is to get rid of the guns. i am tired of government control. what i do is my business and no one else. if i am not hurting anyone and i want to do heroin, it is no one else business. we need to reduce the size of government a whole lot. this country is broke and we are about to enter into the greatest depression this country has ever seen thanks to obummer. they destroyed the economy. doubled the money supply without any productivity increases. then he took the debt from 8 trillion to 20 in just 8 years. irresponsible!! i do not believe they are that dumb. so the only reason i can think they would do that is to start electronic money. with the change to electronic money they will have everyone by the balls.

          • gunsandrockets

            Re: Federal Courts

            Plaintiffs have been challenging various California gun control laws in Federal Court since the 1990’s, and continuing through today. Some of those cases dragged on for decades before final resolution. And every one of those challenges failed, even those challenges which were resolved after 2010.

            The simple fact is that the U.S. Supreme Court has only resolved two gun control cases in recent years, the 2008 Washington DC v Heller decision and the 2010 McDonald v Chicago decision. Gun rights won both those cases. But since then the U.S. Supreme Court has refused to hear any other gun control cases, which end up being resolved by whichever District Appellate Court had ruled on the cases.

            Even since 2008, the Lower Federal Courts have been almost universally hostile to gun rights. In general they uphold every Federal, State, and Local gun control law. The only significant exception to this has been the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals and the D.C. Court of Appeals which have struck down some gun control laws on handguns.

            The practical result of this is a bifurcation of gun control laws within the United States, a split between anti-gun States vs pro-gun States. Gun control laws within States are whatever the State/City legislatures wants, since the Federal Courts will not stop them from doing anything they want. The nearest parallel in U.S. history to this bifurcation was the time before the U.S. Civil War when you had Southern slave States and Northern free States. Isn’t that something…

          • art frewin

            i understand and those lefties state court judges and federal judges, there seems to be a lot of lower court judges that are democraps. if the supreme court does not hear the cases there is a stalemate. it is to bad judges that are suppose to follow the constitution do not and do what ever the F### they want. that is actually criminal in itself. hopefully it will all shake out in the future. the meaning of the 2nd is not ambiguous. the older i get the more screwed up the system i see is. while those anti-gun states take the rights away from their citizen, the trend is pro gun i believe. this last election gave me hope and maybe we can get the supreme court to lay this out and try and stop those anti-gun states. they will not give up easily but then again hopefully we will continue and get federal legislation to right those left states. while i am neither left or right, i am totally disgusted with the democraps. the right has it’s problems also, but the second to me is the most important. we need to get back to capitalism and more freedom not less. the most deaths from guns come from the states with the strictest control. not only does communism not work in reality neither does trying to control citizens. it just makes more crime and costs more money that now we do not have.

        • Steve Hall

          There is a federal court restraining order on the retroactve grandfathered mag ban, I hope the ban is found unconstitutional but I have already moved my residency to Arizona. If the courts ignore ex post facto then its time for a …..

    • RetiredSOFguy

      I thought only entertainers could achieve financial security in California anyway.

      Believe me, you can move and it’ll turn out just fine. 401Ks and Roths transfer across state lines just fine.

  • Jeff Smith

    I’m in the Soviet State of Connecticut (State Motto; “The Constitution State”….hardy-de-har-har), and we have the ten round mag limit and the ammo restrictions. Our Comrade Governor Malloy, with the help of his Bolshevik cronies, managed to pass this legislation after the Sandy Hook dog and pony show…..AND…..also managed to completely destroy our State’s finances and economy. I can’t wait to move.

    • Billy Jack

      I remember the Connecticut trooper saying they would go door to door before backtracking.

  • mscott5206

    When are you going to fix the dates? The ‘over 10 round’ mag limit is on hold. The registration date has been moved to July 2018.

  • Michael Powers

    Time to refresh the tree of liberty

    • gunsandrockets

      No it is not time.

      Take a lesson from the Founding Fathers. There are so many many many steps of peaceful recourse left before resorting to less peaceful means.

  • Ark

    Jesus. Say hello to $.75 cpr Tula .223.

  • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

    When all this stuff passed I finally resolved to move out of CA for freedom. I gave myself 2 years to get a job elsewhere and move out.

    I was living in Texas with a higher-paying job 8 months later, and I’ve never been happier.

    3 months later I bought my first can, and a Maxim-9.

    • Blake

      Yeah well we hate you.

    • Black Dots

      I hate you too, you beautiful bastard.

    • As long as you know what a mothertruckin’ turn signal is, welcome to Texas!

      • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

        I don’t drive a BMW, so….. 🙂

        • LGonDISQUS

          Hello fellow Jalop~

  • Gary F. Brennan

    Steve, You are off on a few of the dates which have been pushed back due to CA DOJ’s failure to launch. The ammunition laws and Assault Weapons Registration were pushed back 6 months due to the DOJ registration system for vendors and gun owners not being online. The magazine ban was put on hold due to a case brought against the CA AG (Duncan v. Baccera) in which we won a stay on the implementation of the law.

    • Marcus D.

      Duncan v. Becerra only applies to the 10 round mag limit. The law DID go into effect, but has been stayed pending further order of the court. There has been no delay in the registration system for ammo vendors, afaik. (For most it is really easy: if you are an FFL you don’t need to register.) Regulations have been issued and are not, to my knowledge, being challenged. The ‘Assault Weapon” registration law has been pushed back six months.

      • art frewin

        that should be enough time to stock up. prices are good right now. plus start reloading. in a year you could have a 10 year supply and 10 years of supplies for reloading.

  • Gary F. Brennan

    Recent Firearms Legislation:
    Effective January 1, 2017, “Bullet Button” Firearms are Considered Assault Weapons
    Pursuant to Assembly Bill 1135 (Stats. 2016, ch. 40) and Senate Bill 880 (Stats. 2016, ch. 48) effective January 1, 2017, the definition of assault weapon is revised.
    These bills require that any person who, from January 1, 2001, to December 31, 2016, inclusive, lawfully possessed an assault weapon that does not have a fixed magazine, as defined in Penal Code section 30515, including those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be readily removed from the firearm with the use of a tool, shall register the firearm before January 1, 2018, but not before the effective date of the regulations adopted by the DOJ.
    Tue Aug 29 2017 14:56:49 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
    : The ability to register an Assault Weapon pursuant to Assembly Bill 1135 and Senate Bill 880, is now available. Additionally, pursuant to Assembly Bill 103 (Stats. 2017. Ch. 17), the assault weapon registration deadline has been extended through June 30, 2018.

  • James

    What happens to handloaders? Will they have to go through certified retailer for powder and primers and pay out the nose some arbitrary tax too?

    • Marcus D.

      (Shhh. Don’t give them any ideas.)

  • William M Durham

    Don’t you just love california, the most polluted state in the country, has the most gangs and the most violent gangs in the country, the most free flowing and biggest drug operations in the nation and cities with areas where even the police fear to go and they claim to be protecting lives with these silly assed moves. Not one single politician has the balls enough to call out the dopers/gangs /or mexican mafia. With any luck when N Korea hits us with a nuke it will be a big one that will flat assed land on the center of the crap, Los Angles, rendering it a has been place with all areas with in 200 miles dead from radiation and fallout for 100 years. Great end to a sick perverted place that has just brought griel and heartburn to the entire nation.Good bye to bad trash

  • MisterTheory

    And now I am more depressed than before…….


    If you live in a location other than NY, HI, DC, MA, CT, or IL:


    Living in WV, constitutional carry passed last year. I donated $30 to Calguns, and $20 to WVCDL, California needs the support more than my state.

  • Shouldn’t there be four smaller stars to the right of the big one in the corner of that flag?

  • Gun Fu Guru

    All of those changes will mean nothing unless the other states institute similar policies. Anyone can go across the border to Nevada, buy a pallet of ammo, and shoot it up in California. It’s not that hard.

  • free

    Wllcome to com-miefornia, all depravations must be legal, but american liberties like free speech, political discussions, of the only tools (weapons, 2A)that secure the 1A, not.
    California, the capitol of suic-ides and drugs.

  • M Trumbull

    What bothers me the most is that you in Socialist California allow this to happen and do not vote with your feet your money and your taxes move. I refuse to buy or even look at California as a source for anything I buy gun related or not… We can all do our part as a politician once said JUST SAY NO !

  • Tom

    Seeing a lot of posts here with people referencing how California wants legal drugs but won’t allow guns. I get it. “Drugs are illegal! Guns are a right!” Which I fully agree with. Currently drugs for the most part are illegal and nobody should be trying to limit my constitutional rights. I just think a lot of you are missing the entire point. The government shouldn’t be taking guns or limiting them in any way. We all can agree on this. However, I also believe that in a country founded on freedom and personal liberty should not be making moral judgements or laws limiting someone’s freedom to do what they wish with their bodies. That’s prohibition. It has never worked. Not even a little. Just the same as taking away our guns only makes us less safe. The same goes for this so called “depravity” you speak of. You all in southern Texas dealing with the drug cartels? There wouldn’t be any drug cartels if there wasn’t a black market for something people will buy regardless of it’s legality. We can debate the details and concept for ages. It’s still something I struggle with. I just have a hard time feeling okay with the government making a moral decision where they can take the freedom away from a person for being in possession of a plant. Especially when the reasons for consuming said plant are enumerable. Ranging from being the only viable solution for medical conditions, helping those deeply sick regain some semblance of life, or someone who doesn’t want to get drunk choosing a safer alternative at the end of the day. Isn’t this why we have the 2nd? So we can prevent a tyrannical government from infringing on my liberties and freedoms to choose what I deem best for myself and my family?

    You don’t have to agree with me. I understand there is disdain whenever the concept of decriminalizing drugs is brought up. I get the apprehension. We already have many of the same issues with alcohol. I just don’t think we should be pitting one side against the other. “They want drugs but not guns!” When it should be “They are limiting my guns and my freedom to choose what substances I consume!”

    • dlh0

      Spot on.

  • ChuckCVG

    What does this mean for someone reloading in California? Reloading 9mm, .223,etc for personal use ?

    • uisconfruzed

      You’ll probably have to sn & register each round. Or load, shovel (cache) and shut up.

  • jpcmt

    Making criminals out of the law-abiding! Makes me want to traffic ammo to my CA friends still behind enemy lines.

    • dlh0

      True. With all of the negative comments about CA residents and painting them with a broad brush, we need to remember there are many kindred spirits still there fighting the good fight and in need of our support. Not everyone can just pick up and leave, although I think the time is coming when that may change. But one thing to remember is that once CA is, ‘in control’, The political Left will begin to move more aggressively to neighboring states. It was better to battle fascism in Europe than let it come ‘here’.

  • Fred Cruickshank

    All of these politicians were voted in, you need to start organizing to get the right out to vote. if all the right people in Calif. would vote I don’t think these people would be in office. Just me, and I’m glad I don’t live in that type of environment !!!

    • Chris Miller

      Having lived there up until 2013, it’s not getting pro-gun voters to the polls that’s the issue, it’s having the numbers. For every pro-2A person, there are 2-5 (guessing, the number may be higher) anti-2A. The campaign at the moment is turning the fence sitters (there are many) into pro-freedom/ pro-2A voters even if they have no skin in the game.

    • dlh0

      Hard to beat anti-2A voting when so much of the population focuses on their ‘free money’ lifestyle. They will not vote themselves into a place where leftists can no longer easily buy votes by freely distributing tax dollars to them via giveaway programs.

  • Sense Offender

    Glad I no longer live there

  • Dragonheart

    Message to all criminals: The Fruits & Nuts in CA, especially the big cities, are now ripe for picking

  • dltaylor51

    ”Shall not be infringed”?,why is the US constitution invalid in California?

  • uisconfruzed
    • art frewin

      yes and independence. be someone that can stand on your own 2 feet and not be carried by a government until it goes broke. start to understand what they are doing is wrong and bad for the population. crime will increase. trying to make another prohibition will end no different then it did in the early 30’s. it is hard for me to believe there are that many stupid californians. i guess it shows what sort of an education system they have. it is hard for me to believe that there are that many teachers that are that stupid, but it seems to be a national trend. WTF!!

  • Wil Ferch

    Not much different at many levels……from the insane SAFE Act law in NYS that was hurriedly enacted after Sandy hook. New Yorkers will recognize many aspects of Cali’s new laws…….

  • JD

    Hopefully, california will just break off from the continent and be a seperate island of liberal paradise. Then sink..

  • Just mind-tripping a little bit……. I wonder if Californians already have enough ammo in their possession to effect a more permanent remedy to the situation…….

    • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

      WHAT? Are you SUGGESTING making an actual attempt at fighting for FREEDOM? Actually using the ammunition for the ACTUAL intended purpose of the 2nd Amendment? You have GOT to be kidding! California is part of the USA at this point, which is the land of the free and home of the brave. Don’t you know? Free to do what “they” want us to do or die. And it isn’t brave it’s slave. Well for many. Some of us are out here just waiting…

  • Anthony “stalker6recon”

    I am certain that all the criminals, gang members, drug cartel degenerates are shaking in their boots over these ridiculous restrictions. These laws serve only one purpose, making sure that the American citizen is incapable of defending themselves against the criminal elements that exist in the highest degree, or making sure that the American citizen is unable to defend their rights against a tyrannical government. I bet all I have, that if cali gets it’s way, and becomes a new country, it will be in the mold of countries that squash their people, like china, pol pots cambodia, nkorea. The only people with firearms, will be the chosen few at the top of government, their military/police enforcers, and the gangs that will thrive in a world where their citizens now must fear both criminals, and government agents.

    They asked for it, so they can have it. Reminds me of how excited people were when chavez made all those promises to give the country back to his people, with his new socialist dictatorship. Those same people that cheered in the streets, are now bone skinny, eating cats, and wishing they had never fell for the lies of their totalitarian government.

    People in calipornya never learn anything.

  • Scott Goofus

    When will this vile Marxist Utopia secede, making the true Americans in this country ecstatic and bringing the sanity level of the remaining states up to a hitherto-unachieved point?

  • Scot168

    I see a major drop in crime in California once this goes into effect and criminal gangs will turn to honest work and attend church on Sundays.

  • QueenAnnesRevenge

    It sounds like mother Russia is alive and well in its remote province of commufornia

    • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

      Yea, except getting a full auto AK in Russia is easier then it is in the US.

  • floogy

    This needs updating. AW registration is now until July 2018. The magazine ban currently has an injunction against its enforcement. Make sure what you’re posting on a frequently visited website is CORRECT.

  • Rocketman

    I noticed that NONE of the new laws in any way was aimed at the criminal element, but at the law abiding citizen. I say that if California doesn’t succeed from the union soon, then they should be kicked out!

    • dlh0

      Yes, I too hope they succeed in any attempt to secede.

  • BradenLynch

    I know this is not intended as a political post, rather a legal one, but they are intertwined.

    This is NOT the new normal. It is an affront to our Constitution and our rights and it is very abnormal. Imagine this same level of governmental oversight with your freedom of speech or buying, selling, or borrowing a Bible? See how that works? A violation of our BOR is always wrong.

    So, I curse the evil Democrat representatives in Sacramento and all the idiots who elected them. A pox on each of you un-American fools who voted for these measures. I can only hope for justice that you are unarmed (as you wish upon us) when criminal violence befalls you.

  • generalJed

    Sounds like communism to me. Even Saddam Hussein let his people keep fully automatic Ak-47s at home. All of these laws violate the Second Amendment. It is the duty of the people of California to assemble militias and to fight any gun confiscation with force. We did that in Illinois, and they backed down!

  • NiteGoat

    This is one of the main reasons I moved from CA, 9 months ago.

  • marcus J

    Welcome to the Bankrupt , Third World Socialist Banana Republic of Mexifornia , From Democrat Socialism to Communism which will soon be Fascism , Can Mexifornia move any further out into Left Field ??

  • Gary Brantley

    Leave California if you can.

  • Stephen Brown

    Why would anybody live in California? It’s as bas as the Northeastern Commie States.

  • Adam

    And there i thought Australia sucked…
    Can someone define ‘ASSEMBLE”
    Eg, You can no linger strip your 1911 comp gun down for a thorough clean and
    ” ASSEMBLE”????

  • Rogertc1

    So sorry to you Californians. They took care of ghost guns too. I bet the criminals are happy.

  • Andrew Foss

    Were it me? Augustine observed “Lex iniusta non est lex”. I, personally, would not comply with and would actively resist same, but your conscience is your own, as are your actions.

    I love living in flyover country. BTW, Californians are welcome here (Stay away from the cities of Lincoln and Omaha: they’re not too far behind CA.) Just, leave your “There oughtta be a law against that!” in CA when you leave.

  • DaveB

    Why in the name of all that is holy would anybody who had a choice, choose to live in that poor benighted state? The lawmakers there must all be completely brain-dead. What a pack of oxygen thieves.

  • Rogertc1

    Major goal of liberals is to ban all firearms for civilians. CALIFORNIA is getting there sadly.

  • Donald Repp

    Does this mean all the violent criminals (especially in L.A.) will drive to Nevada to get their thrill of killing people?

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  • Johnboy70

    So you go buy it in another state and take it home. Will they search every car crossing the state line for ammo I don’t think so.

  • Billy Jack

    He’s the same jackal that did the Sandy Hook press conferences.

  • darrell_b8

    CA just needs to ‘void’ the Second Amendment of the constitution; The 9th Circuit will agree and Kegan, Sotomayor, Ginsberg, and Breyer will all ‘OK’ it…

  • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

    What can you expect? They are simply adding on to the NEW revised second amendment:

    The NEW Second Amendment of the amended US Bill of Rights… (sorry, we no longer follow “proper procedure” for amending these pain in the ass listed rights)
    A well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed EXCEPT:
    You are buying the firearms for yourself.
    EXCEPT: you are under indictment or information for a felony for which the judge could imprison you for more then one year.
    EXCEPT: you have been convicted of a felony or any other crime for which the judge could have imprisoned you for more then one year, even if you received a shorter sentence including probation.
    EXCEPT: you are a fugitive from “justice”
    EXCEPT: you are an “unlawful” user of or addicted to marijuana or any depressant,stimulant, narcotic drug or any other controlled substance.
    EXCEPT: you have ever been “adjudicated” mentally defective or you have ever been committed to a mental institution.
    EXCEPT: you were dishonorably discharged from the armed forces.
    EXCEPT: you are subject to a restraining order restraining you from harassing, stalking or threatening your child or an intimate partner or child of such partner.
    EXCEPT: you have been convicted in a court of a MISDEMEANOR crime of domestic violence.
    EXCEPT: you have ever renounced your “United States” citizenship
    EXCEPT: you are an illegal alien
    EXCEPT: the firearm fires more then one round with the pull of the trigger
    EXCEPT: the firearms doesn’t have a vertical grip attached if it is a pistol
    EXCEPT: the barrel on a shotgun is not shorter then 18″
    EXCEPT: for sound suppressors
    EXCEPT: the rifle has a barrel no shorter then 16″. (It used to be 18″, but we accidentally sold some 16″ carbines to the public so we had to fix this and so we shortened the length to 16″ to cover our screw up.)
    EXCEPT: if it is a pistol there is no shoulder stock attached.
    EXCEPT: you carry it concealed, with a permit, which of course we issue and charge you for.
    EXCEPT: it has a magazine that can contain more then 10 rounds
    EXCEPT: the magazine is removable
    EXCEPT: it is black and looks scary
    EXCEPT EXCEPT EXCEPT…stay tuned for updated version. We the psychopaths who own you have now concluded that this new 2nd amendment is in force and effect and that you have no rights guaranteed by ANYTHING UNLESS you are in the “big club” which of course you are NOT. So screw your rights. We are in control of your television set, your phone, your computer, your air, your water and especially your pretend rights. Oh, and by the way, just in case you are wondering…we have ENFORCERS for this who are willing to shoot your children in the back, your wife in the head, burn down your church with 17 children inside just in case you think we are kidding.
    One other thing…none of these exceptions apply to us. We are allowed to have whatever we want to kill you and maim you any time we want for whatever excuse we want. Just take a look at some of the wonderful things WE get to have by looking up Dillon Aero on YouTube.

  • Ku

    The NY SAFE Act has a 4% compliance rate.

  • 1inidaho

    If any of these pinheads in the state legislature think this is going to change anything, they are in for a rude awakening. They have no idea, (nor does anyone), how much ammo is smuggled in from Mexico on any given day. Those who do not learn history are destined to repeat it.