Desert Tech MDR Hits Shelves

The day many of you have been waiting for has come (and gone): The Desert Tech MDR has finally been released to the US consumer marlet after more than four years of development. Desert Tech announced the gun’s official release in a monthly update on their website, citing the first delivery of the rifle made on July 21st:

Dear Valued Customers,
I’m sure everyone is eager to receive our monthly update for August and I know you are all expecting me to say it will take another week or so before we can ship the first batch of MDR’s but unfortunately that won’t be the case. In truth we held our MDR launch party on July 21 and delivered the first production MDR to Derek Johnson from Texas. Derek waited on the phone on hold with our office for several hours to be the very first person to order an MDR. We will be sharing the MDR launch video with everyone late next week after marketing finishes compiling it.

We spent several weeks testing samples of the final production guns to ensure there were no reliability or endurance problems and we are happy to report they are flawless! We are very pleased with the MDR’s performance and I know everyone else will be too. The first batch of MDR’s will start shipping this week and the remainder of the batch will all be shipped by the end of next week. The color mix of this first batch is 60% FDE and 40% Black. Every batch will be split up proportionally between dealers and end users based on when they placed their orders. We have dealers and end users who jumped on board in the beginning and we are sticking to that priority schedule until we fulfill the entire backlog. I would expect it will take us 6-8 months to catch up on the backlog as we are continually receiving new orders daily and I’m sure that will increase substantially once the rifles hit the stores.

Truth-fully I am very excited to say this will be our last monthly MDR update because the product has officially launched and from this point on we will be continually producing and shipping MDR batches as quickly as possible. For those who placed their orders on our website you can login and check for delivery updates on your orders. Dealers can call and check with their sales representative. The 5.56 is pushed out due to the .308 delays, when we know more details on timing for the 5.56 we will provide an update.

[Emphasis mine]

The MDR is out in the wild, although it appears to be available in only small quantities for now, through dealers on the backorder list. Even so, the first reviews of the modular bullpup have reached YouTube, such as the two videos released a few days ago by Cold Bore Mirakle:

According to CBM, the MDR he tested had about 2400 rounds through it before it came to him, suggesting this may be a T&E sample. CBM said he put over 700 rounds through the rifle himself, and witnessed no malfunctions. Reliability is of course important, but what many of our readers want to know is “can the rifle shoot?” CBM tested the rifle’s accuracy using a Kahles K 3-12×50, a SilencerCo Hybrid suppressor, and 175gr Desert Tech .308 Winchester match ammunition, at 100 yards:

CBM’s groups are looking pretty good, at right around 1 inch. Based on the performance of other recent semiautomatic bullpup offerings on the market (the Tavor and RDB, for example), the Desert Tech may have gained the lead in accuracy among rifles in this class. The average of the measurements for all six five-shot groups was reported to be 1.041 inches, which would be 0.994 MOA at 100 yards.

Desert Tech released a video on the very first MDR owner, whom they invited out to their facility in Salt Lake:

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  • hghgf

    i need to get one myself

  • Jack Matthews

    Insert Starcraft cinematic – “Hell it’s about time!”

  • Ευστάθιος Παλαιολόγος

    He giggles a lot. I would too….

  • Pedro

    Recoil looks pretty strong as the gun was climbing under fast fire. He states twice the .308 will beat up your shoulder. Having fired a SCAR17s for hundreds of rounds in a day, my shoulder wasn’t “beat up” at all. What does this gun do that other modern .308’s can do?

    • lee1001

      It’s the length that makes it special, it’s just as short as as a SBR but it has a 16″ barrel, and in 308.

      • XT6Wagon

        RFB does .308 in bullpup, so… not that special.

        • ostiariusalpha

          RFB lacks caliber conversion, remedial chamber access, strong hand mag release, and can’t use SR-25/PMags. But you’re right, nothing special.

          • XT6Wagon

            Please tell me where you can get this magical caliber conversion kit? They can’t even make a factory 5.56 version right now.

            Plus the MDR is expensive as hell.

          • ostiariusalpha

            The gun was just introduced, don’t pretend like the caliber conversions aren’t going to be coming out after it; and the MDR is no more expensive than any other precision semi-auto .308 gun. Now the SRS, that thing is friggin’ expensive.

          • XT6Wagon

            introduced in 2014….


          • ostiariusalpha

            Introducing a development project and a production model are two very separate things; nonetheless, they started the hype train way earlier than was wise, and made delivery estimates they never should have, no one should give them a pass on that. Desert Tech should take a lesson from CZ, they introduced the P10C in December and were already beginning distribution by Shot Show.

          • CJS

            I think they used the cash from the pre-orders to fund the entire development using little (or any) of their own money. For me that would explain showing the design so early on (and how/why they had years of “next month” promises).
            Be interesting to see it reviewed on TFB, esp. as one writer (can’t remember who) said it was rubbish and didn’t work).

          • ostiariusalpha

            It was Nate, and he wasn’t that harsh, just had a healthy dose of skepticism about Desert Tech’s weight projections. Which seem to have been borne out by the production models increased weight.

          • I also questioned whether they’d get that system to function or not. And I’ve made fun of its balance before. Having said that, I’m glad they’re bringing the thing to market, and I’ve thought about buying once once preorders calm down.

          • Reef Blastbody

            Announced in 2014, FTFY.

          • Amplified Heat

            My FNAR was 1000$, and is comparably accurate as the MDR seems to be. Also, the 2300$-whatever price tag is just the start; the gun is shipped with the barrel disassembled, and a special wrench that costs over 200$ must be purchased to install it correctly. To your point, there really aren’t that many precision 308 autoloaders, period (just some boutique jobs by Knight, Desert Tech, and possibly HK though the 417 isn’t really billed for that purpose)

          • ostiariusalpha

            Well, you got a deal then; the FNAR has an MSRP of $1767. And that’s with no caliber conversion capabilities, which all of those expensive boutique rifle have, including the MDR. The torque wrench is listed at $145, and frankly, if you are used to working with Alan wrenches, you should know what 80 ft/lbs feels like without needing a torque wrench as a crutch.

          • FarmerB

            MR308/MR762 and/or G28.

          • Samuel Millwright

            I think the csass disaster says hk is out

          • QuadGMoto

            A torque wrench is not required to assemble the MDR. It is recommended to ensure repeatability of zero when disassembling and reassembling. Any torque wrench can be used. They’re only selling that one as a convenience.

          • Pseudo

            ZOMG you DO exist. A fellow FNAR owner. More power to you. I love mine.

          • Amplified Heat

            Well, so does the MDR at this point (ACR “has caliber conversions” too, last I checked, lol)

          • ostiariusalpha

            And if DT delivers on their conversions at the same rate as Remington, that will definitely deserve some scorn. We’re not there yet though.

        • Samuel Millwright

          Are you really that ignorant?

          • XT6Wagon

            are you? Seems fair comparison given both are bullpups with the same caliber and both have less than perfect mechanisms to spit shells forward.

          • Samuel Millwright

            You just couldn’t resist the last part with the “less than perfect” bs lol!

            I’m willing to bet that you…

            A: do not speak for nearly everyone with your assessment, certainly not me i know that!

            B: haven’t actually fired the gun so can’t actually even make that evaluation

            C: Are almost without a doubt one of these people who loves being outraged.

          • Amplified Heat

            How *dare* you use De$ert Tech and Kel Tec in the same sentence, let alone compare them! Why, people may become confused and believe DT’s CEO actually works for the Florida company because his press releases’ sentences are so lacking in quality control!

            In all honesty, after watching that extended shooting review of the MDR, it’s scary how similar it is to the RDB in every way as far as usage (it doesn’t even kick shells far enough forward to be out of the way of footsteps or anything; just a really delicate looking complex mechanism that makes it harder to use a catch-bag versus dropping them out the bottom). If/when Kel Tec ever produces the 308-RDB they’ve been hinting at, or even the 6.5 Grendel, I expect they’ll destroy both the limited interest in the MDR as well as the Tavor, since by then the RDB architecture will have been in use for several years to near-unanimous endorsement by users.

            The RDB gets about 3MOA with a non-floated pencil barrel of non-noteworthy quality. I have to wonder if you put a heavy free-floated match barrel on, you end up with a gun just as accurate as the 2X more expensive MDR.

      • Pedro

        The benefit of all bullpups. Having shot the .308 Kel-tec RFB and other .223 bullpups (tavor/fs2k), I don’t really like the weight distribution and the awkward mag changes but, to each his own.

        • ProudAmerican

          Suum cuique.

          My AUG was my favorite 3-Gun rifle, great balance, perfect single stage trigger, easy reloading, optics, 42 rd mags… until courses of fire were designed to defeat AUGs in weak-hand barricade positions.

          • Pedro

            Thanks for the input. I haven’t had the opportunity to try an AUG but would if offered!

          • Well with the new AUG shell deflector by Corvus, weak hand barricade shooting won’t hold you back.

          • ProudAmerican

            Thank you for that tip!

      • Amplified Heat

        It’s also coming in around 1MOA accuracy, which is very good for any autoloading rifle (okay, maybe ‘average’ at this price point), and exceptional for bullpups in particular. Remains to be seen if the additional accuracy is worth the weight and price tag; my money’s on no, even though I like seeing new ideas succeed.

    • MikeSmith13807

      Your SCAR came with a muzzle brake from the factory–this is just a simple flash hider.

      Also, the price you pay for less recoil is more weight out front. So do you want to to feel light when shouldering, or recoil less? You can’t have both.

  • RSG

    Wait- they shipped out a used rifle, with 2400 rounds through the barrel, to a paying customer? Huh. I’d be pissed if I waited 4 years and the rifle I received had 24 rounds through it. But a worn out rifle with thousands of rounds through it, hell no. If they can’t shoot just a few rounds through the rifle to confirm function and reliability, and instead need to fire thousands of rounds, there’s something wrong.

    • No, it’s either a T&E gun or a gun owned by someone else.

      • RSG

        The article should’ve been more clear, then. The whole idea seems so crazy to me, that that makes sense now.

        • It says it right there in the article: “According to CBM, the MDR he tested had about 2400 rounds through it before it came to him, suggesting this may be a T&E sample.”

          Not sure what more clarity you need.

          • RSG

            What’s not clear is if CBM purchased this as new and MDR sent him what was once formerly a T&E gun, or he has it on loan, still for testing and evaluation purposes. The way I read it, because the article is talking about shipping guns to customers, is that CBM is a customer (not an evaluator), and received a used rifle.

          • I explicitly say it is probably a T&E gun. In the video, he says he has it on loan, though he does not say from whom.

          • Oaf

            Maybe you should put it in the title of the article that it was a T&E gun that he did not purchase. Hiding that information in the middle of the article seems a little misleading.

          • Cymond

            The article is mostly about them shipping to customers, but contains a small sidenote about a review that was done by a YouTuber with a T&E sample.

          • Samuel Millwright

            No actually it’s not, and your reading comprehension is obviously just as nonexistent as RSG’s….

            Which, again, is your problem not anyone else’s.

          • Yes, how dare people have to actually read my articles to find out what they’re about.

          • BravoSeven

            Don’t worry. Everyone else understood what was going on.

          • Cuvie

            Isn’t CBM a Desert Tech employee? He’s the administrator of the forums on DT’s official site

          • Is he? That would be interesting. I knew he was close with them.

          • MikeSmith13807

            ColdBoreMiracle definitely works for Desert Tech–I’ve heard he’s the social media guy, but I’m not sure exactly what he does there.

          • ProudAmerican

            Cold Bore Miracle has been an articulate supporter of Desert Tech’s SRS and SRS A1 at Sniper’s Hide. He received a used gun for testing.

          • MikeSmith13807

            CBM works for DT.

        • Samuel Millwright

          The article was clear, you choosing not to read it or having such poor reading comprehension to not understand it is frankly… Your problem

      • Amplified Heat

        Didn’t the company send out an email recently saying this first batch would be extensively tested for function before being sent out? Sounds like ‘somewhat used’ to me. Normally I’d applaud such diligence, but given the emphasis on accuracy these guns command, and the fact that accuracy is a non-renewable resource in a firearm (until the barrel is replaced) this does somewhat detract from the value.

        Reports seem to suggest right around 1MOA, which is very good for a bullpup, though it seems they got there with a somewhat obnoxiously heavy barrel.

        • You’ll have to ask CBM if you’re still skeptical, I guess.

        • MikeSmith13807

          They aren’t testing customer guns, they are testing production samples from the first batch.

  • After four years of “one more quarter” they release it into a gun buying slump?

    • SP mclaughlin

      But we already had swine flu…

    • Samuel Millwright

      TBH, as long as it comes out and has none of the problems early adopters usually face these days it will have been a good move on their part!

      • Frank

        Yeah. In 10 years no one remembers delays. In 20 years everyone remembers bad first impressions.

    • Edeco

      Unfortunate timing but if they matured it rather than diving into high demand that would be classy. Hopefully the slump doesn’t doom the product.

    • pun&gun

      I’m not sure the slump is really going to affect makers of expensive guns like this. Mass-market stuff like cheap AR-15s are getting hit pretty hard, but $2K+ rifles were only ever really aimed at gun enthusiasts anyway, and gun people never stop buying guns. (Well, there’s also military contracts if they can get them. Those aren’t so seasonal, but if the rumors of a .308 carbine competition pan out, that could be good for Desert Tech).

      • Being an “evil assault rifle” I’d argue that it’s still subject to the slump because those aren’t facing any potential regulations under the current administration. The $2k+ rifles have seen significant discounts to reflect this as well. Furthermore, Desertech blew its hype load on this rifle too early in the development cycle.

        • Dakota Raduenz

          I want to point out how many of those 2k guns were still overpriced ARs. If you only expand because of panic buying, your business model might be flawed… (Colt Competition may have been worth it, but a cash only expansion ala Kel-Tec might have kept them in business…)

  • XT6Wagon

    looks massively overgassed as hard as it was hitting his shoulder.

    Also don’t forget this thing is nearly 9lbs for just the rifle.

    • ostiariusalpha

      It weighs 8.5 lbs, the same as a DPMS GII Recon. Heavy barrel profiles make for heavy guns.

      • Joshua

        Now I haven’t used one of these, nor had my hand on them but he has a point.

        It’s heavy. A heavy barreled M4A1 weighs under 6lbs 10oz, giver or take an oz or two. Thats with the 12oz KAC RAS and a heavy barrel.

        Seconds, that gun did seem to kick a lot. Like I said I haven’t have first hand experience with it yet, but just watching the video it does seem to shove him around quite a bit for just being 5.56 american eagle hes shooting.

        • int19h

          ARs are DI. Which means there’s no heavy piston. That was always part of the appeal of that design.

        • ostiariusalpha

          Those sub 8lb rifles don’t use heavy barrels though. The recoil in the CBM videos does seem weirdly harsh, but when you look at the first customer shooting production guns (7:24) the recoil doesn’t look unusual at all for that weight of a rifle. Hopefully some comparison videos will come out, showing how it contrasts with similar weight conventional layout rifles.

  • Petto

    Meh , i think the X95 is still a better gun and soon there will be a .308 version of it

    • Vitor Roma

      Less accurate, heavier trigger and less lefty friendly doesn’t make a gun better.

      • ostiariusalpha

        There’s not going to be a .308 version of the X95, it would have to be an entirely separate design.

        • Petto

          Tavor 7 is a .308 version of X95 and yes they wont be interchangeable

          • ostiariusalpha

            Looks as much like a SAR as a X95, and you literally have no clue what the final weight of the design is going to be. Nice thing about the MDR is that you can yank out that heavy profile barrel and switch to a pencil contour barrel to drop a pound of if you like. Doubt you will be able to do the same with a Tavor 7.

          • Samuel Millwright

            Hah yeah good luck doing that with tavor…

            Tavor, more factory customization options than the ford model t…aka any color you want as long as it’s black.

          • Amplified Heat

            Bad analogy for guns, since they’re either black or mud-colored for the most part no matter who makes them 😉

          • Samuel Millwright

            LOL why yes it was a poor analogy, probably because it was intended as moreof an extrapolation :p

          • Samuel Millwright

            I’ll take arguing about english 121 in the comments section of a gun blog for $800 alex

      • Petto

        no , but it’s cheaper than MDR and it is also lighter

        • Amplified Heat

          How much cheaper remains to be seen; I bet it’ll be the better part of two grand, which still puts it firmly in ‘expensive gun’ territory.

      • Grant

        You can order a left handed Sar 21 or X95 and send a right handed rifle to IWI to have a left hand bolt fitted.

        • Samuel Millwright

          That’s totally not a pain in the ass at all

  • ActionPhysicalMan

    When/if the the longer barreled 6.5 Creedmoor version comes out, I may be interested. Until then it doesn’t fill any unmet ‘need’ in my small (very) collection.

  • Unfortunate

    The .308 to 5.56×45 (or is it .223?) is really concering because you have a LOT of uneeded weight (and size) in the 5.56×45 version….

    A 5.56×45 version could weight a lot less and be a bit shorter.

    Makes it a no go for some uses.

    • ostiariusalpha

      It’s a .308 rifle, the 5.56 conversion is just a bonus. And exactly what uses does this make it “no go” for?

      • AC97

        “But, but, muh SAWC…”

      • Samuel Millwright

        For me i intended straight up to buy a 5.56 version first and build out/up to whatever 6+mm solution really has traction a few years later. Buying a 308 version would be a massive waste for me since i don’t ever intend to get back into 308.

        • But most of the 6-6.5mm solutions will exceed the OAL of a 5.56 weapon, making the 7.62 version a much sounder conversion rifle.

          • ostiariusalpha

            The MDR is a short action rifle, the 5.56 version is just the same gun with a removable insert in the magwell for STANAG mags.

          • Samuel Millwright

            That’s exactly why i wanted it, yes.

            But i figured on buying the 5.56 from day one and then cobblimg together or buying the big bore upgrade later.

          • ostiariusalpha

            I’d say it’s easier to convert starting from the 5.56 version, since it already comes with the magwell insert. To turn it into a 6.5 CM/.260 Rem, you just pop the insert out and it’s ready for SR-25 standard mags, such as the PMag.

          • Samuel Millwright

            Yup that’s exactly what my thinking was

  • mechamaster

    They need to polish the Charging Handle design with “beefier and bigger” handle. That are more capable to withstand .308 vibration.

    Even Tavor in 5,56 is bigger than Desert tech charging handle.

  • bj

    The ejection is awesome and engineering that went into it but that’s about it.
    Don’t like anything else.

  • ClintTorres

    When will the CA compliant versions be shipping? XD

  • Cymond

    BREAKING: Pigs in Sky, Hell Frozen

    • Samuel Millwright

      Frozen hell pigs?…

      I gotta see this

      • noob

        Better bring a rifle

        • Cymond

          Mmmm … sky bacon!

    • ProudAmerican

      …AND it makes sense to not be a first adopter.

      As the second generation SRS fixed the first generation faults, so too it makes sense to wait on the MDR.

      • Haulin’ Oats

        After 4 years of development, I’m sure they have already surpassed the second generation of this rifle before it’s even released.

        • ProudAmerican

          Be my guest 🙂

          • Haulin’ Oats

            I’ll be holding out for a sale price.

        • James Young

          Yeah right

        • pun&gun

          If the initial review is reflective of the product as a whole, I’d say they did more than most new weapon manufacturers and actually turned out a complete, tested rifle. That doesn’t mean there isn’t room for improvement in the design.

      • mikewest007

        I’ll repeat what I said about another unexpected release a few years ago:
        “Pigs fly, low and shaky, but what the hell – they do!”

    • Major Tom

      Winter came to Michigan early I see.

  • feetpiece _

    Having been suckerd by MSAR and Sig with their revolutionary science projects, I’ll stick with popcorn for the time being.

    As a side note the BLK SCAR-H is similarly priced and is an actual Service Rifle.

    • KestrelBike

      Omg MSAR… that takes me back. I annoyed the piss out of my LGS trying to get them to track one down for me, but by then they had closed up shop (CEO shenanigans I think?) and I got an ACR instead… no regrets. It’s like I’ve had an HK433 for years, now.

      • Herr Wolf

        Except it’s not an HK

        • KestrelBike

          Correct, it was under $3,000.

          • Dakota Raduenz

            Most secondary comment upvotes I’ve seen in weeks!

    • pun&gun

      *IF* the MDR turns out well, it will offer a lot that the SCAR doesn’t. Longer handguard, shorter OAL, no rattly UGG boot, easier barrel/caliber changes, and you can silence it without voiding the warranty.
      I was seriously considering a SCAR a couple years ago until I found out that last bit.

      • Scott Willbanks

        Um…false. The SCAR comes with an adjustable gas block specifically for that purpose. My owner’s manual mentions nothing of the sort.

        • pun&gun

          “Any addition to your FN firearm of aftermarket accessories (such as suppressors, triggers, muzzle devices, stocks, etc.) is considered a modification of your firearm from its original configuration, which may void your warranty. We are unable to adapt each firearm for every variable effect that might occur when you install a third-party manufacturer’s accessory on an FN firearm. Therefore, FN disclaims all responsibility and liability for any damage caused to you and/or your firearm as a result of aftermarket accessory use. If an aftermarket accessory causes damage to you and/or your firearm, please address your concerns with the accessory manufacturer.”
          Right off the FN website.

  • RealitiCzech

    “The 5.56 is pushed out due to the .308 delays, when we know more details on timing for the 5.56 we will provide an update.”
    The only other caliber option I see (besides 5.56 and .308) is .300 blackout, which says it only comes as a conversion…
    So… what are they shipping? Sling swivels? The boxes they will later send the guns for?

    • ostiariusalpha

      They’re shipping the .308 version.

  • Grant

    I’m glad they are finally shipping. I don’t plan on being an early adopter, but I like bullpups and will be watching to see how they perform. It will be interesting to see how it compares to the Tavor 7 once it launches.

  • Samuel Millwright

    I was just saying somewhere else that people actively enjoy being outraged these days… This comments section, perfect illustration of exactly what I’m talking about

    • KestrelBike

      Righteous indignation! Feels good to be wronged, man….

  • Bearacuda

    I’m hoping it does well–I’d like a bullpup at some point. I’d probably take off that “ejection tube” or whatever it’s called, though. Seems overly complicated.

  • Gun Fu Guru

    I moved on. Bought a Tavor and found out I hate bullpups.

    • Amplified Heat

      More of a cat person, then?

      • Holdfast_II


        Why so catty?

    • its simple as that

      The Tavor sucks.

      • ProudAmerican

        The poor quality was to be expected.

    • RealitiCzech

      I wish they were cheaper, so I could’ve found that out easier. Bullpups are ideal on paper, but in person they have issues. Still like the concept, especially with something like a P90… but in service rifle configuration, they are lacking, as they are a 30rd stick mag designed for a standard config rifle shoved into bullpup format.

      • Gun Fu Guru

        I converted a PS90 into an SBR about a decade ago. It’s a nice little setup, but the concept doesn’t really work well for full-size (or technically, intermediate) calibers.

      • pun&gun

        The P90 still fascinates me just because of that magazine design. I wish more designs used something like that, bullpup or otherwise.

        • Young Freud

          I think the only reason it can work is that the 5.7x28mm is straight-walled (shoulder diameter equals base diameter), which allows it to feed reliably through that 90 degree ramp. There’s not many rounds, especially rifle rounds, that could do that. 9x19mm could work, thou, as well as the experimental telescopic rounds being developed by the Army.

          • pun&gun

            Wouldn’t 9mm fail to work because of the case taper?

  • DanGoodShot

    Not only is this a fantastic rifle that was worth waiting for. How about this company turning down a 15 million dollar deal just because their rifles could, COULD have gone into the hands of the wrong people and used against our troops. Think about that for a minute and let that sink in it… 15 million… That is outstanding!

    • XT6Wagon

      turned down a deal they were never offered? A work of true selflessness

      • DanGoodShot

        Read comment I posted to Cyborg Fred.

    • Cyborg Fred

      Would you mind explaining in detail what you are talking about?

      • DanGoodShot

        It had to do with the Pakistani government. It was a deal worth $15 million but they turned it down because they didn’t want their rifles possibly being used against our troops. There is a Fox news interview with the owners of Desert Tech on YouTube pertaining to it. Check it out. I am technologically retarded or I would just paste the link. If I can figure out how to do it I will edit this comment with it.

        • Amplified Heat

          LOL, a little Utah family concern was gonna supply the thousands of rifles that contract was requesting. Uh-huh. They spurned an RFP they weren’t even sent, and ooh-rah ‘muricans ate it up ever since.

          Also, I thought we didn’t care for companies who think they know better than the market who ‘deserves’ to have access their products? HK ring any bells? Or does that only apply to durty furriners? ISIS & Al Qaeda aren’t rich or stupid enough to drop north of two grand on a 5.56 rifle. Nor is practically anyone, good or evil.

          • DanGoodShot

            Why are so many people such nasty axxhxxxs on the internet? There really is no need. I mean why be rude to somebody you don’t even know? You can disagree and have an intelligent conversation without sarcasm and snark. I am sorry if I have offended your fragile sense of being sir, Truly.

          • ProudAmerican

            I would be really impressed if they rejected all “wrong hands” sales (all military and LEO sales, no matter which country).

          • pun&gun

            Their concern wasn’t that terrorist organizations would buy them, but that the Pakistani government would buy them with Pakistani people’s tax money (or foreign aid money from US taxpayers) and then conveniently “lose” the weapons for terrorists to pick up.
            I’d hope they would refuse any contracts to the Mexican government for the same reason.

        • Cyborg Fred


  • Haulin’ Oats

    I’m dissapointed their facility doesn’t look like something out of HALO or Battlefield 2142. After all, its the Future of weapons, today.

  • MadMonkey

    I’d say it’s the Star Citizen of guns but the MDR might actually work a little.

    • pun&gun

      *fingers crossed for 3.0*
      Man, I hadn’t even realized how similar those products were until just now. If Alpha 3.0 delivers on even half its promises, that’ll be two major technological leaps in my two major hobbies in less than a month.

      • William Elliott

        Seriously, now we just need someone to come up with something inbetween the 5.56 and .308 that has range, is light enough to carry an acceptable combat load, and fits in the mag well…
        Yah, I know, I’m dreaming. Might as well wish for SQ42 to drop during Gamescon this year…

        • pun&gun

          My prediction is that SQ42 is benched until all the features of the MMO are done, then they’ll branch fleshing out the persistent universe, making SQ42, and finishing ships simultaneously.

  • 22winmag

    I love it when new firearms flop.

    Will it?

  • noob

    Very impressive. Maybe this might finally be a bullpup Nathaniel F likes.

    • nope

      ? Overweight and oversized in 5.56×45 due to its .308 construction. A seperate version would perform much better in those areas.

    • I like the RDB OK.

  • noob

    Could the MDR be the Army’s future .308 rifle? At the very least if .308 is not appropriate for a given situation the army could convert some back to 5.56 or blk with a kit and avoid having to buy new serialized receivers.

    • Unlikely to the point of virtual impossibility.

      • feetpiece _

        The M17s in .308 has a better chance 🤣

  • Treyh007

    Looks to be Very nice, I still say the RDB is the best bang for your buck in the Bullpup world at the moment, bought a brand new one for $899 and I’ve been very impressed so far. Accuracy, weight, Ergo’s and trigger pull are quite nice, haven’t tried any Match ammo out of it so far but I’d be willing to bet It could hang with the results above. I know it’s hard to swallow that Kel-tec has done so well on a rifle but go try one out if you don’t believe me. I’ve seen these in stock at Classic, AA tactical and a few others here lately. So yea it is possible to find a KT rifle! Lol

    • AD

      The RDB is the most interesting bullpup I’ve seen, I’m glad to hear good things about it!

    • Dakota Raduenz

      Kel-Tec’s rifles have never really been a problem, and Kel-Tec’s pistols have always had a great warranty just in case.

      Seriously most people harbor a lot of angst over KT availability more than quality.

  • iksnilol

    Sooo… all this for a 1 MOA rifle ?

    Given how much they bragged and stuff, I expected half moa or something.

    • Alexandru Ianu

      Why? It’s not a precision rifle. Reliability under various conditions (and calibers) is what stretches out development time.

      • iksnilol


        • ko ga jebe, kad je komunista

          Goat fornicators? Don’t talk about your brothers like that Amar.

          • iksnilol

            O Miloše, džesi ba komunisto jedna? 🙂

    • Vitor Roma

      1 moa in semi-auto is damn amazing, especiallu one so compact.

      • iksnilol

        I dunno, plenty of ARs that are half MOA, Dragunovs have been 1 MOA for half a century.

        Not so impressive to be honest. RDB or RFB does the same but better.

        • Steven Calvaresi

          Lol what dragunovs have you been shooting? The ones I shot at the USMC FWIC were garbage (they were legit Dragunovs, not a domestic knock-off).

          As for ARs being half moa, sure, some very high end ones with the best match ammo can hang close to .5 moa, but they’re highly specific and accurized guns, and generally not rugged for combat. 1 moa out of the box is plenty for a fighting gun, considering military armorers still consider M16s serviceable until they go outside of 3 moa spec… Would I want more? Yup. But is 1moa more precise then 90% of the shooting community (including military/leo) can extract the potential from anyway? Probably.

          • ostiariusalpha

            And lest we forget, these 1 MOA groups were made by human shooters, not benchrest gun vises. 1/2 MOA is something a good shooter can do on a day with very cooperative weather and themselves in a calm, focused state of mind.

          • iksnilol

            Legit Dragunovs here in Europe with good ammo (not MG ammo) and right technique (nothing in contact with handguard). Which matches the accuracy requirement they have (otherwise they don’t leave the factory). Not my fault you could onnly get goat fornicator specials.

            1 MOA is good, but bad for the MDR considering company history and the hype they generated (and price they want).

          • Steven Calvaresi

            IIRC we used good (not delinked 7.62x54R) ammo (not sure if it was “match” tho), and “right technique” of nothing touching the HUGE handguards…..again, not the most precise gun out there #freefloatedFTW #notmyfault

          • iksnilol

            What condition where the guns in? I assume they were bringbacks or something?

    • BeGe1

      It’s not a precision rifle. The fact that it’s 1 MOA capable is just a bonus, and a pretty big bonus considering the typical precision level of combat-oriented rifles.

  • TangledThorns

    I thought about buying the MDR as my next rifle but that weight. I’m hoping we’ll see improvements over the next few years or perhaps another bullpup comes along that isn’t as… controversial.

  • somedingus

    Eh, I will stick with my FS2K thankyouverymuch!

  • rychastings

    vaporware no more!

  • uisconfruzed

    Did I miss it, or did they fail to mention what it’s selling for?

    • AFAIK the MSRPs have not changed versus what they released on their website several months ago.

  • El Duderino

    Kel-Tec: “We’re the best at pre-hyping a product and producing almost none of them for several months!”

    Desert Tech: “Hold my beer…”

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  • Doc Rader

    I’m getting one in for review. Specifically what would you all like me to test/inspect/whatever with it? (Nothing destructive, though)

    • ostiariusalpha

      A lot of interest here in the comments for a recoil comparison between the MDR and a conventional .308 of the same weight and barrel length; preferably with near identical muzzle devices. There’s also some question about the charging handle staying locked in position when firing (it seems to move in Coldboremiracle’s first video, and even pseudo-locks back at 0:50). I’d personally be interested in how well the “scissor” ejector works with the forward ejection plate removed (how reliable, distance brass is thrown, ejection angle, etc.).

  • Broken Arrow

    Fat guy with a camel back! (singing in my best Chris Farley impersonation)

  • XT6Wagon

    he also is a dealer for them, and has been handed a hand tuned gun not mass produced gun off the line. I’ve been reading elsewhere its not ready for the public given the quality of the guns reaching people’s hands.

    I expect this will be a kel-tec like process where poor QA coupled with design issues means we will be a couple years before its a good gun.