NEW: B&T USWA1 Compact

Swiss firearms manufacturer B&T has quietly released the USWA1 Compact, a slimmed down version of the ‘recently released to the U.S.’ pistol that features a folding stock and a compatible holster. Designed for European law enforcement to combat terrorism in “dynamic” environments, the USW platform gives officers and agents some of the capabilities of a personal defense weapon (PDW) without the added bulk and visibility that comes with carrying a slung rifle.

Over the past six months we have discussed a variety of B&T product releases (what can I say, I’m a fan). However, I have probably failed in accurately relaying the design, functions and intended uses of some of their more unique offerings. Without the proper context for example, a window-shopper’s look at the USWA1 might give the impression of a Glock with a shoulder stock or a type of Roni chassis for a pistol.

Making those cognitive leaps ignores the intended purpose of why B&T built the USW platform from the start. It is their belief that handguns that are incapable of hosting a stock are weapons of the past, especially for law enforcement purposes.

B&T leadership built the USW pistol for one specific purpose – to give the average, everyday law enforcement officer the ability to deploy a stabilizing stock to become a force multiplier. Sure, specialized teams that train regularly can make amazing yet repeatable shots with pistols. But for the standard officer, making a well-placed 200 yard shot is dramatically increased by the use of a shoulder stock. Testing in Switzerland has shown that accurate hits can be made with the USWA1 at distances normally reserved for rifles or pistol caliber carbines.

And, in an attempt to fully integrate the USW among the ranks at law enforcement agencies world wide, the pistol was designed to be carried and holstered just like in traditional fashion, stock and all. And from my point of view, there is nothing like it on the market. B&T has a number of plans and ideas for the USW platform, some of which I know will be exciting for the American consumer.

Yes, the USW frame shares some similarities with Sphinx pistols – and for good reason. Rather than design and build a new gun with the required support structure needed for the over-the-slide optics mount, B&T purchased the tooling and rights to build Sphinx-esque frames on their own. Whereas the slide from a Sphinx pistol may fit on a USW frame, that is where the similarities end.

As for the USWA1 compact, initial specifications can be found below – but be aware, they are subject to change.

I have been in contact with B&T USA leadership in an effort to bring our readers more detailed and accurate information on future releases. I also expressed a need for better web presence so that potential customers have reference resources and technical information. Believe me when I say they are working hard to relay the details to U.S. buyers. Stay tuned.

USWA1 Compact

The USW-A1 Compact is the perfect choice for all those who carry their weapon concealed (protection teams, Air Marshals, undercover cops, intelligence, etc.)

USWA1 Compact – Additional Information:

  • Article-no.:BT-430004
  • Calibre: 9 x 19 mm
  • System: Browning system
  • Operation: Semi automatic
  • Length min./max.: 257 mm / 473 mm
  • Width: 44 mm with closed stock
  • Height: 170 mm
  • Barrel Length: 79 mm
  • Weight: 1020 g
  • Stock Pull: 368 mm
  • Primary Sighting System: Aimpoint NANO
  • Suppressor connector: N/A
  • NAR Rails: 1
  • Magazines:  13, 15 and 26 rounds
  • Handling: Shoulder stock
  • Also included: Ambidextrous Foldable B&T APL Advanced Pistol Light, one each 13, 15 and 26 round magazine, duty holster, cleaning kit, sling, manual, case.
  • B&T magazine for USW 13 Compact rounds, cal. 9 x 19 mm
  • B&T magazine for USW Compact 15 rounds, cal. 9 x 19 mm
  • B&T magazine for USW Compact 26 (13+13) rounds, cal. 9 x 19 mm

Thanks to my IG friend ‘guns_in_switzerland‘ for bringing the USA1 Compact to my attention. (His pictures are below).

B&T USA – Facebook


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  • PK

    I hate that I love this. One more for the wishlist…

    Thanks for sharing this, otherwise I’d probably never have heard of it! The work is appreciated.

  • Thorack

    Wow, make a brace for it and I’d buy one. Maybe SIG could make a P320 lower that has these features.

    • pistol pete

      I like the way you think. I hated these things at first, but the more I look at them, the more appealing they become.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      There WILL be a P320 frame and slide that mimics the same effect.

      It’ll be at SHOT, it’ll be on the market 3 years later.

      There WILL be a P320 PCC at SHOT.

      • Sunshine_Shooter

        Dude, I hope you’re right.

      • MeaCulpa

        A P320 with a stock seems dangerous, shoulder it too fast and BOOM, there the bullet goes flying.

  • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

    Ooh a compact. Perfect CCW piece.

  • Lew Siffer

    Ideal for “undercover cops”??? Sure, easy to hide under your tshirt while soliciting prostitutes or making a buy…. Seems to me WerBell and Ingram came up with this idea half a century ago and it turned out to be impractical, although it made for some iconic movie moments.

    • Brett baker

      Ain’t full auto. And how can you forget MIAMI VICE? I think I’ll get a stock and adj. sights for my M1991a1, though.

    • Oregon213

      I think there’s a distinction between uncover and low profile. I could see some utility for plainclothes officers who are working overwatch on a buy or out on a stakeout detail.

    • Wow!

      MACs served some LEAs well. The issue that killed them wasn’t that they were impractical, but that MAC dissolved due to financial troubles very early in the game and the companies that filled the void made crap weapons that gave the MAC an undeserved reputation as a jam box. MPA seems to be doing a good job of reviving the MAC concept which IMO it is the best SMG ever made.

  • st381183

    Sorta cool, definitely bulky, Uber expensive, what not to love.

  • Anonymoose

    I’ll wait until it has a side-mounted charging handle and a folding foregrip.

    • Mazryonh

      Have you seen the H&K MP7? The first version had a folding foregrip, and a top-mounted charging handle similar to an AR-15’s.

      • Anonymoose

        The MP7A1 and A2 still have the same charging handle, and the MP7A1 still has the folding grip. The MP7A2 has a rail so you can put whatever you want under there.

        • Mazryonh

          I was thinking that a side-mounted charging handle is going to favour one form of handedness over another depending on which side it’s mounted on. The MP7’s charging handle at least was ambidextrous by design.

          Granted, the MP7A1’s folding foregrip was pretty thin, but that was to make drawing the MP7A1 from a holster easier.

  • cwp

    Making 200 yard shots with a service pistol seems like a big ask for “the standard officer”, with or without a stock. I’m sure there are situations where taking a shot at that range with a non-magnified optic and five-plus feet of bullet drop are warranted, I’m just skeptical that they’re going to come up often enough for the added weight, bulk, and overall awkwardness of the USW to be worth living with.

    If you don’t want to give beat cops M4s or MP5s or some other weapon better suited to long-distance shooting, then sure, this could have a role. But … most of the time, isn’t that going to happen in heavily-urbanized areas where it’s difficult to find an unobstructed line of fire to something a football field away? Rural and suburban officers probably already have some sort of long arm in their vehicle, after all.

    • Iggy

      As a rule armed European cops are generally better trained than in the US, so they could expect them to be more proficient. Also this is designed to give more options for first responders the stock also makes it a lot more stable which is useful at any range and it’s compact enough to stay out of the way for the majority of police work that doesn’t involve using a weapon.
      If someone shows up in body armour with an AK that’s what SWAT is for.

      • Redfoot

        More proficient based on what data? The fact that in general police in Europe go from a nightstick to full blown full auto MP5’s and G36’s? I would like to see a link to back up your claim. In the meanwhile keep throwing farmers and cityfolk in jail for using firearms and barbed wire respectively to keep robbers from stealing their properly.

        Last time I checked my local airport did not have officers with automatic weapons covering the entrance.

        As a whole, yes, the US police force may have problems, but I also do not remember US cops having to engage an armed perp with harsh words.

        • FarmerB

          I don’t think you have a correct picture of the “European Police” (which is a staggering breadth of police forces). Don’t judge all of Europe based on the UK. Most police forces are armed with a sidearm. An increasing number now have a short rifle (e.g. 553, G36C, MCX, MP5, etc) in the car. Specialist units may openly carry a long arm, carbine or sub-gun (e.g. guarding Heathrow or other High Value Targets). CT and other units are obviously armed to the teeth. Some countries even have armed soldiers patrolling the streets (e.g. France, Italy, even occasionally the UK).

          But, what if you aren’t in a car? What if you aren’t CT or SWAT? What if you had to demount and walk through a shopping centre or pedestrian zone when stuff goes down? What if the political situation won’t allow police to openly carry a military style long-arm (aka baby-killing assault weapon) or even a PDW? Then this makes a good solution. It’s basically a “service revolver” (which is what a friendly, cuddly, non-threatening plod/cop carries) which allows much more effective fire against an armed attacker without affecting the sensibilities of the snowflakes.

          Would I have one? (after all, I could just go down the road and buy one) Probably not, but I don’t have their needs, their requirements or their restrictions.

          • randomswede

            It’s a little disconcerting that so many people either seem to think the weapon is intended as a rifle/SMG substitute or look at it from a civilian’s perspective.
            I like the analogy of a rifle is a ship and a pistol is a lifeboat for when the rifle fails or to get you to the rifle. This is a better lifeboat, but still just a lifeboat.

          • FarmerB

            Nicely said. A slightly better lifeboat.

            I have friends in specialist (non fighting) reserve units who deploy to war zones after being supposedly taught to “protect” themselves with a 9mm pistol (as if you can do that in a week or two). They also are issued the service rifle and armour (they carry a lot of other stuff as well, and these aren’t 190cm men).

            Well, the brass running these units don’t want them to wear armour because it’s an admission that the war isn’t being won, and the rifle (if they can carry it) has to be checked at the armoury at the front door where they work.

            I think it’s criminal they aren’t issued with a PDW or sub-gun which could be carried 24/7 and would at least give them a fighting chance. I train with pistols on dynamic and hot ranges quite a bit, and I’m still shithouse with it. But gimme a sub-gun (even semi-auto) and it’s a whole different story.

          • randomswede

            I’m fairly certain Jerry Miculek would prefer a rifle to a pistol in just about any situation and he shoots more pistol rounds in a week or two than most police officers do in a year.

          • Mazryonh


            I think it’s criminal they aren’t issued with a PDW or sub-gun which could be carried 24/7 and would at least give them a fighting chance.

            Unfortunately the PDW concept has largely fallen by the wayside, because if the NATO trials between the 5.7x28mm and the 4.6x30mm ammunition went ahead the FN P90 might have become standard-issue for non-frontline personnel.

            Yes, 5.56mm carbines and SBRs have become commonplace, but you can’t get the OAL of an FN P90 out of an AR-15 without introducing its own problems, and if you suppress an FN P90 you will likely get a lot less noise and suppressor wear than suppressing something like the CQB-R.

          • FarmerB

            Agreed, but it didn’t even need to get that complicated. Even a SIG MPX with collapsing stock and 4″ barrel would be almost ideal (my shooting partner has one in just this configuration).

            I also agree about the very short .223 – my 9″ barreled SIG 553 is brutal on the suppressor (and is brutally loud without it)

          • Mazryonh

            I’m sure there are lots of people in the firearms community who want first responders and other LEOs to be outfitted entirely with “high speed, low drag” 5.56mm SBRs or whatever bullpup is in vogue at the moment. What they probably don’t know is that the shorter that barrel gets, the closer the muzzle blast gets to your face (and ears), even more so with bullpups, which means that any hearing protection gets less effective.

            Yes, SMGs are another solution because they use less powder that is also less energetic than rifle powders. But according to the Ballistics by the Inch site, 6 inches of barrel is generally what you need to get the most out of a pistol cartridge before you start riding the curve of diminishing return.

            If the USW takes off, perhaps we’ll see more interest in SMGs that load from the pistol grip, because you get more barrel length for a given amount of OAL without going into the problems of bullpups.

          • FarmerB

            And the thing is that if the average copper has to actually use their SBR, they won’t be wearing hearing protection…

          • Mazryonh

            There’s electronic hearing protection that’s supposed to only block out gunshots. But that’s expensive, especially when you try to equip all the on-duty officers of an LEA with them.

            And besides, for maximum noise reduction to minimize hearing damage of anyone around, it’s easier to get subsonic pistol ammunition (that still packs enough projectile mass for stopping power) in most cases to go along with a suppressed handgun or SMG instead of subsonic 5.56mm ammo. You can always swap out to a magazine with supersonic ammo if you need more effective range.

          • FarmerB

            Yeah, but my point is – will you have it with you, and will you have it on? I’m in total agreement for that role – I’m very happy with my suppressed pistol caliber sub-guns!! 🙂

          • Mazryonh

            With the increased attacks on American cops recently, wearing electronic ear protection all the time when outside of a patrol car could become the next step up in terms of essential gear, just like body armour has. After all, there was apparently a time when 20th century American cops never wore body armour and didn’t need much more than a sixgun with twelve spare rounds and a baton in terms of weaponry.

  • Jim Slade


    • PK

      Is there a 2lb, 10″ long (folded) rifle this is displacing/competing with?

    • Sunshine_Shooter

      Cops already have rifles and/or shotguns. What’s the NYPD’s hit percentage? 13%? You want to know why? Because when the cops have to draw down on a bad guy in a crowded environment (like the empire state building?) they always have their pistols and rarely have time to go back for their more accurate long guns.

      Would it be nice for cops to just always keep their rifles on them at all times? Debatable (though I’d say yes).

      Would it be nice for cops to have much higher standards of marksmanship? Absolutely.

      You know what you can get them that will help them make more accurate shots that isn’t a pie-in-the-sky idealist worldview? Stocked pistols, such as this.

      • MeaCulpa

        Rifles on them at all times seems highly impractical, sure a long arm is almost always better then a handgun when SHTF but how often does SHTF? According to what I could find the NYPD, with 35000 officers, fired their guns in anger 40 times in 2013. So if that year is at all representative of firearms use an average NYPD cop fires his gun about once in a thousand year, sure a rifle would wastly increase a cop’s chance of hitting something that one time but at what cost. If you factor in that a rifle is very much more cumbersome when performing typical police duties like conducting breathalyser test, handing out fines, making welfare checks, filing reports and whatnot it seems like the case for a rifle at all times is pretty weak.

      • Wow!

        Personally I think low hit percentages have to do more with erratically moving targets (including yourself). You can’t predict a persons movement like with a running target on the range, and so you are going to miss even if your marksmanship is 100% spot on. People duck and wiggle around in silly ways around cover and concealment, but it does make it almost impossible to guarantee hits shot per shot. Although I agree that stocked handguns can be a benefit if they can get the cost more reasonable, and if they figure out a way so the bulk doesn’t interfere with the current roles of the handgun.

  • Threethreeight

    Just what I wanted to combat islamic terrorists armed with assault rifles in urban centers, an overpriced 9mm pistol.

    • raz-0

      Hehe. They tell me 9mm handguns are ineffective against ISIS terorists with rifles and vests. What we need is a 9mm handgun with a STOCK to combat those with rifles and armor…

      This logic is very confusing as it doesn’t protect you from rifle rounds, doesn’t have the range of a rifle, and isn’t any better suited to defeating armor than any other handgun.

      • Iggy

        The purpose of this is to increase range and accuracy for first responders in a nice compact package that doesn’t interfere with every day police work.
        Europe has very well equipped SWAT teams to deal with the terrorist issue. And if your solution is every cop always carry an M4 that’s kind of insane, overly militaristic and impractical for the vast majority of police work.

        • raz-0

          That’s not my reasoning, that’s the manufacturers reasoning, and it is stupid.

          Give them a pistol or give them a carbine. Don’t give them some stupid hybrid. Or heck of you do give them something better at pretending like the fn or h&k pdws.

          • MeaCulpa

            Or give them a caribine? Why should we give them something in between a real rifle a pistol?

      • Flounder

        You can always try and shoot them in the legs… Or the face…

        I agree, a stocked pistol is a half measure… But it is still an increase in armament… And politics are different over there. maybe this is all they could swing on this day. And 9mm isn’t too far from 40, which is almost a 10mm… Baby steps man… Then we might just get our M41A pulse rifles.

        • Mazryonh

          The Russians are a step ahead of NATO when it comes to weapons like these. First, they introduced AP loadings for their 9mm handguns and SMGs, and second, they developed compact machine pistols with folding stocks like the PP-2000, which certainly gives you a lot more short-range firepower than the USW might provide.

    • Kelly Jackson

      On Nov 28 2014 a Texas officer shot the Austin gun man at 110 yards with his service pistol while holding on to his horse with his other hand.

      Maybe you should get some skill…

      • Threethreeight

        Yeah clearly we should replace all soldiers and SWAT team with fudd cops carrying .40 M&Ps. How about those 5 dead cops in downtown dallas killed in 2016 by a guy with a real rifle. Did those guys need to “get some skills”?

        • Kelly Jackson

          No, they needed the body armor that their liberal police chief insisted they leave at home in an effort not to appear “militarized’ Did you even read the report?

          Is their rifle going to stop a bullet? Because otherwise I’m not sure why you think being armed with one would stop a shooting from a concealed position from ambushing you.

          I don’t think anyones suggesting that but your Call of Duty inspired reality of every beat cop walking around with an AR15 is frankly double, especially in liberal western Europe.

          Giving a standard officer a weapon that can do daily duty as a side arm as well as deploy a stabilized platform and red dot in an emergency seems like a no brainer.

      • Wow!

        While normally I would agree completely, the handgun is arguably the most difficult firearm to master and many departments don’t have the ammo budget to turn every officer into a sharpshooter, just proficient. The machine pistol concept is a good idea and probably will help in some situations. The only issue to me is that there are many situations where that stocks bulk may interfere with normal duties.

        Then the other issue is that AR-15s and M16 surplus rifles are plentiful and far more effective and safer than any SMG as far as terminal ballistics are concerned. Cheaper too.

        At the current price I personally feel the USW is dead in the water aside from the private market, but who knows.

    • Wzrd

      Don’t forget “compact”

  • Greg Beals

    Please notify me when the quad rail handguard version is available.


  • It’s as if a thousand Timmy’s suddenly cried out “but I can’t C-Clamp it” and then yelled at there mom to bring them their lunch.

    • Wow!

      You can’t C clamp this either. It is a good concept (better than a lot of other machine pistols in the past), just poorly priced.

      • I think you missed the screaming neon sarcasm of my post.

  • Lowe0

    “It is their belief that handguns that are incapable of hosting a stock are weapons of the past”

    Tell that to the ATF.

    • PK

      The majority of SBRs, aren’t. With the spread of pistol braces, the entire concept boils down to bullpups with a sub-16″ barrel, these days. Anything else, just use a brace.

      It sure would be nice to have the ATF agree, but the main people who need to be told are Congress. Best of luck.

    • Audie Bakerson

      And KKK member/Supreme Court “Justice” Hugo Black.

      • MeaCulpa

        KKK Hugo BLACK, mind BLOWN!

    • Duray

      ATF = / = NFA. SBR’s are SBR’s because of an 80 year old law your great-grandparents’ elected representatives passed, not because some meanie at the ATF woke up this morning and said so.

      • Flounder

        The NFA is a very broad, very general law. The ATF has the power to do just about anything they want. They don’t have to allow braces. They also don’t have to restrict SBRs.

        They have plenty of exemptions on the books for SBRs. (think lugers and broomhandles with stocks, which the ATF exempted).

        Another example is Every ATF ruling carries the weight of law, but no elected official was involved in making it.

        So… Yes, in some ways, on some days, a liberal woke up, went in to work, and wrote away some of your gun rights. And it is documented with all the correct bureaucracy.

        • The exemptions they issued for Lugers are based on a STATUTORY allowance for them to make exceptions for CURIOS AND RELICS.

    • Sunshine_Shooter

      Well, everything the ATF does is based in the past.

  • Joe

    Great concept, it just sucks that it has to be from B&T, with the accompanying price point.
    I have 2 constructive comments:
    1) make the butt of the stock folding, so it can add a couple of inches to the contact area.
    2) make the stock extendable to provide more ergonomic LOP adjustments.
    That said, I’d love to see a factory or aftermarket (insert your favorite manufacturer here) frame with a similar stock, and I mean integral, not that clamshell crap.

  • Gun-Toting Racist

    Modern MAC-10? I imagine this is what that blocky thing might mutate into, given development time.

  • Herp

    A lot of the people poo-pooing this are, in my opinion, unappreciative of how tough it is to deploy a long gun in some circumstances. If the long gun is in the trunk and you’re being shot at from that direction, it’d be pretty nice to get a shoulder stock on deck. Cops have been encountering ambush predators lately, and it’s getting rough in Europe. Bicycle cops and foot patrolman might especially appreciate this. There have been situations that called for long guns that could have gone differently if this were available.

    Remember when nypd shot nine bystanders going after that one guy at the Empire State Building? Better hit probability is a good thing even when you have the luxury of close range.

    • Oregon213

      Yep, good option for officers working in an urban environment… like most of Europe.

    • Sunshine_Shooter

      Beat me to it. The NYPD has a hit percentage of, what, 13%? Less? We can sit here and say ‘cops should train more’ or ‘just use a long gun!’ Well it isn’t happening, and the USW looks to be a workable, viable solution that isn’t dependent upon idealist worldviews.

    • int19h

      Yep. The way I see it, this is all about giving *every* cop what is effectively a long gun, but with minimum weight and bulk, and PR and image issues arising from police visibly patrolling the streets with “military weapons”.

    • Might not be a bad sidearm for aircrew…

  • EdgyTrumpet

    Shorten the barrel to make it into a compact but keep the light which makes the OAL exactly the same as before.

    • mr pablo

      Agreed, but the grip is shorter also.


    Not entirely sure of the point of a more compact version of this gun. Or any version of this gun without a threaded barrel. But hey, it looks freaking awesome. I’m going to give B&T a pass on this one. I’m also pretty sure they have earned enough cool points for a couple of more passes too. So go ahead and make one in .25acp.

  • Madcap_Magician

    I think a collapsible stock instead of a side-folding one might be more ergonomic from a gross motor skill point of view. Given that the stock folds to the right, a right-handed shooter would have to draw the gun, then reach OVER the gun with his or her left hand to release extend the stock, and the shooter’s right forearm could interfere with stock deployment.

    Whereas if it was a collapsible stock with a button lock, the shooter could draw with the right hand and punch the drawing hand forward as the left hand comes behind the gun and simultaneously extends the stock. That would allow single-handed shooting or a split-second slower conversion to aimed fire from the shoulder.

    Does that make sense to anyone, or am I just awful at explaining it or totally off base to begin with?

    A lot of the value will also depend on how much awkwardness and weight this adds compared to a service pistol. Obviously guns with stocks are easier to shoot accurately, everyone knows that, but the reason for the sidearm is pure convenience. The B&T system will have to provide a LOT more function for only a LITTLE less convenience to be worthwhile, I think.

    I’d be very concerned about the design and balance changes making it noticeably harder to shoot one-handed. While the stock will make it easier to handle some situations, the most common shooting is still at very close range without much reaction time to waste on things like extending stocks.

    Lastly if it is a DA/SA like the Sphinx, I think you lose some of the benefit. To me this system is calling for single-action with a manual safety or striker-fire.

    • JT303

      I believe there is a button on the right side of the gun which the user can supposedly depress with the index finger to kick the stock out partially and flip the rest of the way by hand. If you shoot left handed, I imagine the drill would be slightly slower but still allow for deployment of the stock.

      I would agree that it looks to be a bulky weapon and weighs a hair over 2 pounds for the compact, which is to be expected given everything that’s hanging off it. The full size makes sense to me, as it’s going to be an openly-carried weapon and I reckon the bulk will not be such an issue. The compact? They must have big police officers if they think somebody’s going to be CCing that. Perhaps a shoulder holster? Who knows.

  • d

    This vs. P90. I’d choose a P90. I’m sure Strike Industries can modify the SARS for a holstering system.

    • iksnilol

      P90 is twice as heavy and far bulkier though.

  • feetpiece _

    Make it in 10mm and market it as the ultimate wilderness sidearm.

  • Cyborg Fred

    These are neat!

  • Carl Nguyen

    There seems to be an implication that the magazines here are not compatible between the compact and non-compact versions, since the listed capacities are different. Seems a waste.

    • iksnilol

      I think the longer mags fit the compact version but not vice versa. It’s just that they are delivered with different mags.

      • FarmerB

        I think that’s right…
        www (dot) bt-ag (dot) ch/shop/eng/accessories-128/gruppe/usw-magazine-bt-usw-magazine

  • mr pablo

    No pics of the stock unfolded?

  • Does the green ramp serve as a backup front sight?

  • Badwolf

    I really like it. It’s just a pistol with a super beaver tail, and attach the optic and stock to that. It’s a simple and great solution to turn your pistol into a carbine. And it’s lighter than any roni or kpos. Something similar for p320 would be a piece of cake.

  • Veteran for Trump

    I’d take one without the folding stock.
    What’s the price?

  • Mystick

    “Compact”…. sure sure…. I think that word means something other than you think it means.

  • mazkact

    Maybe Hugo Borchardt got it right in 1893. Is it just me ? To me these B&T PDW’s just scream C-93.

  • MeaCulpa

    The average cop in Britain is probably much worse than the average US cop when it comes to firearms training as only 11% carry guns, if the comparison is only between gun carrying cops then the British cops are probably better trained as that is a specialist function of sorts.

    In the same way I’d imagine that the average handgun owner in Sweden is about a ten times better shot than the average US handgun owner while the average Swede is probably only a tenth as good with a handgun as the average American. Handgun ownership in Sweden is basically restricted to people that compete limiting the group of handguns owner to people that are actually good at shooting but at the same time making sure that most Swedes can’t shoot handguns at all; whereas in the US most people can own handguns making the average handgun owner, well, more average but as they are a larger part of the population the average of all Americans is better shots.

    TL:DR if you only give guns to guys that are well trained then the guys with guns will be well trained as opposed to giving every guy a gun.

  • Wow!

    Its a concept I always thought would be beneficial, but B&T is high at the price they want. A glock with an endo tactical stock is far cheaper. Frankly, with most LEAs finally using the money to get 5.56 rifles and SBR’s, if you have time or reason to have a stocked firearm, a 5.56 rifle is much safer and effective to use. The concept is a decade or so late.

  • FarmerB

    As I said, don’t judge “Europe” by the UK. There is constant reaffirmation in the UK media (particularly the left wing outlets – like the Guardian) that British gun control is just wonderful and the Brits are just so sophisticated and honorable because they won’t stoop to arming police or shooting terrorists.

    This is trotted out every time there is a shooting in the US, along with spiteful slurs about uncouth American cowboys, white-boy racists and gun nuts.

    I’m sure the Home Office is sort of glad too, since they’d have to train all those currently unarmed officers to not shoot themselves or go into a dead faint at the sight of a live cartridge. That would cut into their diversity training budget too much.

    Aside: It’s amazing to see how much change 2 generations of propaganda has made. Although many Brits own and shoot guns, I’ve actually seen Brits go completely pale and shudder with tremors of fear at the mention that I have a firearm in my safe downstairs in the basement.

    I also don’t accept that a hot 9mm round with a decent bullet coming out of a sub-gun has “poor terminal performance”.

  • Xerxes036

    A patrol rifle in every patrol car period.

    • Mazryonh

      I’m not sure where’d you find the room for a non-bullpup rifle on a police motorcycle though. That’s just one place where there isn’t as much room as a full-size car.

      • Xerxes036

        Where did I mention a motorcycle? A motorcycle isn’t a patrol car A patrol car isn’t a motorcycle.

        • Mazryonh

          It’s just to say there’s plenty of LEOs on motorcycle or foot beats who might not have the ability to stow a rifle within easy reach at all times.

  • AD

    I loved the original, and I’m liking this new smaller version even more – at least, I would prefer the smaller version for a range toy. Picking one for a duty weapon would be a different story.

    I wonder if other companies will eventually design their own takes on the concept? That could be interested, but I doubt it would happen unless the B&T version does well.

  • The original MAC10 was a bit thick to conceal well but no problem on the length.

    • Mazryonh

      The part of the MAC-10’s upper receiver that extends past the trigger guard is pretty short, so you’d probably need a specific holster to comfortably carry and draw that gun. It might be easier to keep in a holster if you always carried it with a more modern suppressor, since the original Sionics suppressor is considered oversized today.

      Speaking of the MAC-10, searching this blog shows that there are a few articles here mentioning products made by Lage Mfg. I would actually like to see this blog review Lage’s modernized upper receivers for MAC-10 or MAC-11 lowers (that decrease the firing rate to something much more manageable and have rail mounts for optics and grips), because if these uppers were more well known, they could be a viable alternative to get an “All-American” SMG, given the “Buy American” attitude recently.

      I’ve also seen articles on this blog reviewing thought experiments in firearms (such as the 7x46mm UIAC), which I appreciated reading. If it’s not a problem maybe one of TFB’s authors could also take a look at the 10mm PDW based on a Lage MAX-10 discussed in the wordpress blog I linked to above.