Official Statement :SIG Sauer Reaffirms Safety of the P-320 pistol./ DPD Is In The Process Of Giving The Ok To Again Allow Officers To Carry The P-320.

There has been a big uproar over the last several days concerning the SIG P-320. We’ve all seen a lot of rumors mixed in with some facts. Much to my satisfaction SIG has addressed the situation with a just released official statement.

While the Dallas PD emailed us to say they are not allowing their officers to carry the P-320 they don’t elaborate the reason. They also stated there have been no instances of malfunction or other problems. So, the reason remains unclear.

UPDATE:

I just spoke with Jordan at SIG who clarified what started this whole ball rolling downhill. An armorer at Dallas PD read an old outdated user manual which SIG has since edited. The language was confusing but caused this officer concern for the safety of the officers. DPD halted all officers from carrying the P-320 until they could contact the right person at SIG. Since the person at SIG was not in the office DPD issued the do not carry internal memo.

The SIG P-320 will now be placed back on the authorized carry list.(as soon as the powers that be approve and statement issued). The PD took this action after speaking with SIG about the language in the outdated manual and coming to an understanding once the correct information was passed to the PD. Dallas PD will take a few days to ok the P-320 for carry. DPD will issue a public statement in a few days.

So boys and girls this is what started this whole ordeal which is now resolved to everyone’s satisfaction. This should be the end of it. It certainly is as far as I’m concerned!

10:53pm 8/4/2017: I was able to confirm through a reliable anonymous source at DPD the events within DPD that lead up to the temporary order to cease carrying the P-320. The DPD events I explained above are now confirmed.

This is what SIG tells us:

Newington, NH (August 4, 2017) – In response to social media rumors questioning the safety of the P320 pistol, a variant of which was selected by the U.S. government as the U.S. Army’s Modular Handgun System (MHS), SIG SAUER, Inc. has full confidence in the reliability, durability and safety of its striker-fired handgun platform. There have been zero (0) reported drop-related P320 incidents in the U.S. commercial market, with hundreds of thousands of guns delivered to date.

The P320 meets and exceeds all U.S. standards for safety, including the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute, Inc. (SAAMI), as well as rigorous testing protocols for global military and law enforcement agencies.

All SIG SAUER pistols incorporate effective mechanical safeties to ensure they only fire when the trigger is pressed. However, like any mechanical device, exposure to acute conditions (e.g. shock, vibration, heavy or repeated drops) may have a negative effect on these safety mechanisms and cause them to not work as designed. This language is common to owner’s manuals of major handgun manufacturers.

As a result, individual attempts to perform drop tests outside of professionally controlled environments should not be attempted.

“SIG SAUER is committed to producing only the finest products,” said Ron Cohen, President and CEO of SIG SAUER. “Safety and reliability have been and always will be paramount to the SIG SAUER brand.”



Phil White

Retired police officer with 30 years of service. Firearms instructor and SRU team member. I still instruct with local agencies. My daily carry pistol is the tried and true 1911. I’m the Associate Editor and moderator at TFB. I really enjoy answering readers questions and comments. We can all learn from each other about our favorite hobby!


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  • txJM

    Glad TFB has a voice of reason.

    • Just doing my job but thanks.

      • Scott

        Tell the truth. This was really just prep work for future TFB content. I predict a three-part series: 1) Firearms Manuals – The Good, The Bad, The Ugly; 2) Manuals – Where to Find Them. and 3) Manuals Through the Ages – From Rare to Obscure.

  • If I read between the lines it sounds like the rumor that some dude in the training department dropped the pistol a few times being true.

  • Bud Harton

    I thought this must be another Nathaniel F. “much ado about nothing” piece

    • Well you never know. What tipped the scales in writing about it in the first place was the DPD email

    • Vitsaus

      Either that or “The iconic gun you like sucks, and here’s why.”

      • The Roaring Emptiness

        I’ve always grouped them under the “Aggressively Contrarian” header.

  • Bud Harton

    The constant barrage of anti Sig 320 from the Glock fanboys is becoming old. They are beginning to sound and resemble the butt hurt libtard Democrats

    • Both are good pistols honestly. It’s just a matter of choice.

    • NINJA del TACO
    • The_Champ

      I don’t know if you noticed but generally in TFB comments section there are almost no “Glock-fanboys” commenting. Meanwhile there is a steady stream of people like you complaining about these hypothetical fanboys.

    • john huscio

      “Glock fanboys” are the new bogeymen.

      • Marc

        They play golf at one over par?

    • Gregory

      Who cares what someone else is shooting or carrying? You use the gun you like and I will use the one I like. Sig and Glock are both excellent weapons and serve their users well.

      • MIke H

        ^^^ This, pretty much (except the stick part…). Love my P320 and not big on Glocks, but it’s a Ford/Chevy (Ford), Coke/Pepsi (Coke), Pineapple/No Pineapple on pizza (oh HELL no) argument. They’re both excellent firearms that do what they’re supposed to do, and people seem to keep confusing personal preference and opinion for hard facts… and the hard fact is I carry a bigger stick… 😛

      • pabloheitmeyer

        I have both. Love them both!

    • Glocksuckers

    • BryanS

      I think we can all set aside differences and agree. Derringers and the like are garbage.

      Something Sig and Glock fans can come to terms with easy.

  • Bill

    I can’t be the only one who remembers the panic and mayhem when Chicago PD flipped out over SIG magazines with crooked rounds under the feed lips that could possibly have primers detonate if struck by the center rail under the slide.

    This terrifying condition was rectified by making sure the round on top off the magazine was straight, which it was %99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 of the time anyway.

  • Joshua

    Thanks for keeping the info coming on this.

  • USMC03Vet

    Called it. Dallas is retarded confirmed.

    • He was really just trying to look after the officers. I’m 100% sure he never meant for this to happen!

      • USMC03Vet

        What really happened. Bored armeror reads something and saw he could make a huge deal about it without testing or talking to an expert. “I’ll be famous for finding the flaw nobody else saw” and here we are with an embarrassed police armorer that won’t be living down this bright idea for awhile.

    • jonp

      Probably just still angry that Glock didn’t win the Military Trials. That and the DPD lacks reading comprehension.
      “just trying to look after the officers” Not so much as just stupid. Gee, a handgun that just was approved for Big Army is suddenly too fragile for the High Speed Low Drag Dallas PD? Sound reasonable to anyone here??

      • dc

        eh you don’t seriously think that being approved by the military is proof of safety or reliability do you?

        • Mike Lashewitz
        • jonp

          having used a great deal of military equipment both in and out of the Army I actually do. Had some dogs but most was pretty good in my view. Could you find civilian gear that was better? Sure but they couldn’t, for the most part, stand up to the hard use by knuckleheads like myself either

          • dc

            Dude there are plenty of videos on youtube of people tapping this gun on the rear with a safety hammer (rubber end) and it going off. It’s not a safe pistol and the military has fielded many crappy products over the years. It’s not hard to find them. Like the original M16 without a chrome lined barrel… great choice for Nam (and issued without a cleaning kit).

  • Tim

    This whole episode reminds of the recent “RUSSIANS HACKED THE ELEKSHUN!!!11!!!!!”

    SRSLY U GUYS!!!!!

  • Major Tom

    Was the armorer’s name Snuffy and was a former Army private?

  • Independent George

    Thanks for reporting on this, but I don’t know if I’d quite call it over yet – what we have right now is Sig’s claim as to what happened within the DPD. We still don’t have DPD’s official statement (which, if Sig’s claim is true, will almost certainly consist entirely of bureaucratic boilerplate without admitting error).

    What I’d really like is confirmation from a source within DPD (anonymous and off the record, of course) as to what just happened.

    • Working on that George:-) Someone closer to the source than the person I spoke with.
      I requested a copy of the statement when they come out with it.

    • Sliced Veggie

      The specific wording towards the end hints STRONGLY of what most likely happened. I’d say this is pretty much a done deal or this crap will go legal mighty quick.

      • Independent George

        Do you mean where it says, “This language is common to owner’s manuals of major handgun manufacturers.”?

        I tend to agree, but I still want to hear what DPD has to say about it – given the original memo, somebody’s going to be doing some major backpedaling real soon. I can only imagine what the officers are thinking right now.

        • Sliced Veggie

          That and the paragraph immediately following.

          I can already hear the lawyers chanting “libel, libel, libel” lol.

          It will be very interesting indeed. Though, in reality, I’m sure it’ll be positive and this will blow right over.

    • Ok George you asked for it I just got it.

      10:53pm 8/4/2017: I was able to confirm through an anonymous source at DPD the events within DPD that lead up to the temporary order to cease carrying the P-320. What I explained above is now confirmed.

  • Walter E. Kurtz

    Good info…well done TFB. That’s what happens when people “jump the gun” (pun intended). The horror….the horror….

  • Sliced Veggie

    Tom Currie called it the other night. Hats off to him.

  • Gun Fu Guru

    “There has been a big uproar over the last several days concerning the SIG P-320.”
    All of which was caused by TFB. If you wait to publish rumor, there wouldn’t have been an uproar.

    • Independent George

      It wasn’t a rumor, though – DPD did actually issue an order to stop using the 320. TFB picked up on that, and tried to get to the bottom of it.

    • As I said if it were not for the DPD memo it would never have been posted. That seemed to give it a boost toward really being something.
      Also a large number of blogs picked up on the DPD deal and the uproar was in full swing by the time our first post went up.

      • Kelly Jackson

        Easy there Wolf Blitzer, whose your source the New York Times?

    • Actually others went up before we did and this is just one.
      http://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/Sig_P320_DropFail/

  • Those who already hated will probably continue to.

  • John

    Yes, a big uproar was created. Hmmm, who was it that flashed the words “RECALL” across the screen in the last report? I don’t quite remember.

    Oh well, all’s well that ends well right?

    No harm no foul.

    Nothing to see here folks, just move along.

  • I doubt it will go that direction. I think both parties will be glad to have it behind them.

    • Sliced Veggie

      Oh absolutely. Its almost sure to be a “shake hands and laugh it off” conclusion.

      Slim chance of it going the opposite direction.

  • John

    I have tried to hate Sig, I really have. I’ve had some issues with their customer service that should have me in the hater column.

    But then I go to the range….and I shoot it….and I say “DAMN IT SIG…..I love you.”

    • Verner

      I’m the other way around. I wanted to love SIG, and don’t get me wrong, they are great, but after tens of thousands of rounds with a Glock, I just can’t get used to it.

  • Tom Currie

    Hmmmm…. My comment from the original sky-falling article 2 days ago:
    “I wonder if someone at DPD just got around to actually reading the Sig P320 user manual and found the warning — which WOULD constitute a notice from Sig that the pistol might fire if dropped.”

    Golly Gee — Guess What — I nailed it!

    Of course it seems that both Sig and DPD were at fault in that obviously NEITHER had bothered reading the P320 manual. Sig didn’t bother reading the boilerplate text that they copied from some previous user manual, and DPD obviously didn’t bother reading the manual before deciding to approve carrying the P320 in the first place.

    • Yep you win the prize–if there was one:-) The person who started it is fairly new in that division. Again he felt he was doing the right thing until conformation from SIG.

    • Verner

      Those were exactly my thoughts.

  • mazkact

    GREAT ! Good job sir.
    Reading the manual is a good thing. I once owned a handgun for a year before I knew the striker could be de cocked and have the first shot in double action, I did not read the manual. I now own three of these unmentionable Brazilian made pistols.

    • If it’s a gun I’ve shot for many years and become very familiar with it inside and out I don’t read the manual. On the other hand if it’s brand new gun to me I don’t mind admitting I read the manual no matter if it’s a pistol or long gun.

    • Thanks much—

  • Bill

    My main takeaway from this is that even though I have a P320 I barely shoot, now I need an X model.

  • Will

    As a retired police armorer/firearms instructor let me assure you that no amount of training and range time will turn some police officers into competent gun handlers. No matter how well they are trained some cops will simply look at a malfunction as it it came out of an intergalactic dinosaurs butt hole and then look for an instructor to hold their hand while clearing it for them.
    My department weeded these out as quickly as possible….BUT when there is a problem, real or perceived, with a firearm it must be addressed immediately because the weakest links will find a way to make it suddenly appear at the most inopportune moment.
    Then you have a huge law suit on your hands.
    Better safe than sorry. SIG would be much easier to deal with than the ACLU.

    • Unfortunately you are very much correct. Like your PD we got rid of some new hires who just didn’t get it no matter how much one on one instruction you gave them.

  • Bud Harton

    Like I said, another TFB much ado about nothing. And the only “big uproar” was located just on TFB.

    • I hear you. Just saying everyone was repeating the same story for the most part. Like this link as an example. I mentioned it above but you may not have seen it.
      http://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/Sig_P320_DropFail/

    • 22winmag

      At least the post(s) directly firearms related, and not another puff piece about crew served weapons, Jihad Bentleys, bullet impregnated shot glasses, knives, flashlights, and so forth.

  • Sam Green

    This is nothing more than a crackpot yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded movie theater only because the hot sauce on his nacho’s wasn’t to his liking.

  • TheChunkNorris

    Kind of funny to me that Patrick reported the “recall” and Phil had to clean up his mess… good on you Phil and thank you for the explanation which required actual research.

    • Thanks and I just wanted to get to the bottom of it soonest and get the info out to everyone. Very welcome sir glad to get the info out there for everyone.

  • Ray Collins

    I have own a Sig p320 for almost 2 years. I have accidentally and painfully dropped my pistol twice, while it was loaded with a round in the chamber and it did not go off. Sadly, it received some scuff marks because it was cement and hard floor but the safety mechanism worked. For all those Sig haters out there ( probably Glock lovers), stop making fake news against a good firearm!

  • ShooterPatBob

    Breaking News! DPD struggles with reading comprehension, all the way up the entire chain of command. And they quickly proceeded to order an internal ban without making any phone calls or testing.

  • Jonn Doe

    (SIGH)…why didn’t they just buy the dam Glock 17 to start with?
    They already have drop safeties….who the hell makes a weapon without a functional drop safety an pawns It off to law enforcement and the military??

  • FarmerB

    Hmmm, this issue is HOT again. It seems that Omaha Outdoors has posted a video where they show the P320 actually WILL DISCHARGE when dropped at a particular angle.

  • I just talked to them and posted the video with permission.

  • Drew

    (e.g. shock, vibration, heavy or repeated drops) … you mean like.. if I was carrying this on duty everyday? Yeah, the videos exist. It needs fixed before I buy one. And I was so close too. Damn it!

  • Louis Bethel

    Thanks for clarifying.
    But TFB has two different articles in the same issue!
    One says Sig P320 is recalled.
    This article says everything is cleared up and AOK.

    Me thinks the journalist Patrick had too much coffee the other day.
    No Pulitzer for him.

    As for manuals, every manual I have refers to “careless handling” or directly says “do not drop”.
    They go hand in hand with each other………..

    On to the next Glock instigated hysteria…..

  • Mike Lashewitz

    I remember when Ford assured me the Explorer would not tip over if I just decreased the air in the tires by 5 lbs. Nothing quite like those Firestone 500 radials.
    Meanwhile Toyota tells me baby seats can fit in the back of the Corolla but they do not tell you there are no places to tie down the rear facing child seat. Sure it can “fit” in the back but you can not put the baby in it flopping around loose.

    I will pray nobody drops their 320 but I will not feel “safe” until mine has a lighter trigger.

  • ccw1911

    The problem is you can’t UN-Ring a bell. All over the web people are declaring the 320 is unsafe and they are never buying another Sig. Even after more information came out that the Sig is safe many posters and bloggers continue the rumor, it reminds me of certain people clinging to “Russia won the election for Trump” believers. This has done significant damage to Sigs reputation. Will the correction get as much attention as the alarm?

  • Tom Currie

    Sequence of events:

    1. Sig published the P320 User Manual saying that ALL guns may fire if dropped

    2. DPD approved the Sig P320 for duty carry without reading the user manual

    3. Someone at DPD read the manual and pointed it out the their bosses

    4. Bosses got panties in a wad and banned duty carry of the P320

    5. Sig reassured everyone that the P320 is drop safe

    6. DPD again authorized duty carry of the P320

    7. Omaha Outdoors releases video proving that the P320 _WILL_ fire if dropped at the correct angle.

    8. Sig fanboys announce Nyet Gun Is Fine. Glock fanboys hold We-Told-You-So party.

  • richard kluesek

    What would Walker, Texas Ranger, say ?

  • John R

    Interesting – I posted a video that shows testing of the P320 – where they could duplicate drop-fire’s on a regular basis. Post wasn’t approved, not sure why. If you are curious, search for P320 Outdoorhub

  • John R

    Is there a reason you keep deleting my posts – that linked to a video showing someone who tested several guns and was able to repeat the drop-fires? You don’t want an opposing view to your post?

  • Eddie Haskell

    So it may fire if dropped…… but since it has passed the required drop test, everybody is OK with that? I say this believing that Sig produces fine firearms, some of the best in my opinion. I own multiple Sigs as well as multiple Glocks and FNs. In the past 10 years I have spent on average 140 days a year on the firing range. I have witnessed dozens of times that firearms have been unintentionally dropped on the ground (I’m probably being conservative with that number), and have never been overly concerned, concerned, but not overly, about the remote chance that one of our issued firearms may discharge. I have always trusted the track record and had a working knowledge of how the safeties on our issued Glocks work. When training other agencies who were issued Sigs I also assumed that they had the same level of safety, including some device that prevented the trigger from traveling to the rear from inertia, but I guess I was wrong. This certainly doesn’t mean that I’ll be sell any of my Sigs, probably because none of them are striker fired. But when it comes to striker fired weapons, I guess I’ll take my chances with Glock Leg and the Sig boys can take their chances with Sig Face.