Sig Goes For Gold With 1,000 Rounds Straight in 13 Minutes

Much ado has been made recently about the US Army’s piss-poor performance in completing the evaluations of handguns in the Modular Handgun System contract. While yes, they should have completed the testing, it is fair to say that the Sig is even 3/4 as good as Glock, their $100,000,000 more worth it.

But, much of that conjecture is simply due to the Glock’s long reputation for performance where the Sig, while on its face reputable, does not quite have the lineage that just takes time and testing. Fortunately, that is where Tim over at Military Arms Channel steps in with some aggravated testing on a P320 Compact.

Basically, Tim takes the handgun through 1,000 rounds consecutively to see how well the weapon does under some duress. Shooting hot Fiocchi loads, the handgun just eats it up, shooting all 1,000 rounds with no malfunctions… or so it seems.

Subjected to extreme heat of 1,000 rounds the polymer just, and only just starts melting and minor deformation. This “damage” was not visible from outside, but upon disassembly looks to be incidental to extreme heat – something these handguns would never get to in any operational capacity that I am aware.

So, my hat’s off to the P320, which continues to show its a solid handgun. Where there is some debate remaining if its the best handgun for the Army for performance, I think this little test shows its at the minimum a good handgun.



Frank.K

TFB’s FNG. Completely irreverent of all things marketing but a passionate lover of new ideas and old ones well executed. Enjoys musing on all things firearms, shooting 3-gun, and attempting to be both tacticool AND tactical.


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  • Brad

    Really, another butthurt, biased, MHS article? TFB , it’s getting old, real old…

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Everything here is “biased”.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Pretty sure TFB doesn’t care about Glock vs Sig. It’s almost as if there is another reason to keep rehashing the same controversial topic again and again.

      • Rob

        Clicks

        • Anonymoose

          It’s also a good way to fill up the comments section and keep people coming back when they see disqus notifications.

          • PK

            Oh man, you too?

          • Ebby123

            I just realized my whole life is a lie.
            Excuse me..

      • Brad

        OH, some of them care a lot!

    • Phillip Cooper

      It’s par for the course.

      I just come here for the occasional cool pic at this point, and to harass the staff.

    • Ratcraft

      RAYCISS!!!!! eeerrrRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

      • Ebby123

        The fact that this had absolutely nothing to do with anything is what made it all the funnier… and more accurate.

  • ShootingFromTheHip

    “While yes, they should have completed the testing, it is fair to say that the Sig is even 3/4 as good as Glock, their $100,000,000 more worth it.”

    Does this sentence not make sense to anyone else, either?

    • PK

      That’s where I stopped reading the article. I’m glad that I wasn’t alone in being horrified in this outright abuse of language!

      • Ebby123

        THE HORROR!!!
        Do you require smelling salts m’lady?

        • antiliberalcryptonite

          LOL!

    • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

      Im going to guess that its missing an “if” before the phrase “the Sig is even 3/4…”

      • Giolli Joker

        What about “their”…

        • PK

          They’re, they’re, it’ll be okay…

          That hurt to type.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      “IF”

    • AC97

      Also:

      “Where there is some debate remaining if its the best handgun for the Army for performance, I think this little test shows its at the minimum a good handgun.”

      *while

      *it’s

      *it’s

      Such atrocities to the English language must not stand…

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Well… You know, there was a real time crunch on this breaking news… You can’t expect someone to delay a post for 20 minutes while they proof read it, all the competing firearm blogs will have stolen their thunder in that time!

        • Nicks87

          That’s probably true considering half the stuff that’s posted on gun websites is just copy and pasted from other websites. I usually give TFB a pass though because they are more like an aggregate than an original content site (excluding Nathaniel F’s OC and James R’s awesome videos, of course).

      • john huscio

        They said that about english in the year 1000, yet various “lingual atrocities” stood, and were added to for centuries……hence “modern english” of the 21st century that would be nigh unintelligable to an anglo saxon in 1066….

        In other words, language mutates, lighten up francis.

        • Rick Radford

          I agree with you that English evolves over time. In this case, it is not the words used, it is the obviously lazy way the words were thrown together with ZERO regard for the coherence of the thoughts or ideas being presented to the reader. If you have so little regard for the reader, don’t be surprised when the reader abandons you for your lack of consideration of them.
          Oh, by the way, you mis-spelled “unintelligible” /;-))

      • LGM Commando 070

        eengleesh langweej

      • Bill

        sounds zachary like something congress hands the people.

    • Phillip Cooper

      It’s hard to type and compose sentences through the butthurt tears.

    • DangerousClown

      Read that, and thought “Why the face?”

    • jonp

      Seemed clear to me. The Sig came in $100 Million under Glock over the contract so even if they are just 3/4 as good as the Glock, if they meet Army specs they are worth it.

    • LGM Commando 070
    • Mike

      Me thinks a man is BUI— Blogging Under the Influence.

    • Colonel K

      Not really. I read it three time and gave up trying to interpret it.

    • supergun

      I was trying to figure that out. But what do I know. I comment like that sometimes, also.

    • CanineCo

      Good Lord. Someone please call the grammar (and spelling) sheriff. Looks like someone got caught in the “their,” “there,” “they’re” usage debacle.

    • Rick Radford

      Yes, I have to agree. Why in the H&*( do these webpages and blogs etc. even bother existing. I know I am old school, but if you expect me to have any level of respect for the stuff you put out, can’t you do me the simple courtesy of proof-reading your stories. When your work sounds like someone talking with a mouth full of gravel, it is very difficult to even bother to finish reading your work. It is if you think all you have to do if simply type up a string of words that sort of LOOKS coherent and fling it at the wall, and we will all fawn all over it.
      In my experience with regard to the “gun culture” we tend to be more involved with our sport/hobby, beyond the 30 second attention span the mass media attributes to their usual claptrap. We expect readability and coherent thought from our scribes. It is seriously lacking on this site. TFB, this is a pattern that all too prevalent in your work product. If my work was as generally sloppy as this, I would have been sued out of business years ago.
      Because, sloppiness in my line of work equals …Kabooms.

      I would consider a paid proof-reading job as a side hustle for the TFB. Email me if you are interested /;-))

    • CavScout

      Army pistols fire more than 1k rounds that MAC shot. And more than 6k rounds that the army shot. These things needed to be actually tested. Sick of seeing halfassed non-testing and called good.

  • JohnB

    “Much ado has been made recently about the US Army’s piss-poor performance in completing the evaluations of handguns in the Modular Handgun System contract.”

    Only from you guys, no one else seems to care.

    • PK

      It’s as though handguns aren’t a primary combat arm in military service, this century.

      • iksnilol

        Are you saying John Woo movies are not portraying military gunfights?

        • PK

          I’m fairly certain the Woo Documentaries are true to life, but training and tactics have changed.

          • iksnilol

            Yeah, after the dove extinction in 2003 tactics dramatically changed.

      • Kyle

        Hey, those holstered M9’s carried by officers saw SO much action going to and from the chow hall. It was brutal.

  • Tym O’Byrne

    Real men use single action revolvers!

    • The_Champ

      I don’t trust that kind of fancy new technology. I’ll stick with my blunderbuss pistol, thank you very much.

      • Tym O’Byrne

        What would Patton do!

        • Christopher Wallace

          RPG and nunchucks, duh

        • Edeco

          Attack a PTSD patient!

          • Tym O’Byrne

            Real men call it tough love, wasnt as problem until you “new” people showed up.

    • DW

      best handgun ever made according to some prodigy

    • Phillip Cooper

      Real men have no f___s to give what others think or say.

      They use the best tool for the job, in terms of THEIR performance with it.

      It simply doesn’t matter if that tool is a wheel gun, semi-auto, or a soda straw with a pea in it. If it puts accurate placement of ammo on target and stops the threat quickly, it’s the tool to use.

      • Tym O’Byrne

        Whats the odds everyone goes home when you show up at a party? lol

        • Phillip Cooper

          Don’t know, don’t care. Your opinion means exactly nil to me.

          • Tym O’Byrne

            If it meant nil you wouldnt have replied, like i posted, you are the life of no party… Id suggest you get a life butt since you wasted the only one God gave you, have a nice day!

          • Alex @Sea

            Maybe go get your whoope cushions out kids, then we can discus something important

      • Johnboy70

        Bingo

    • mazkact

      Flintlock, thank you good Sir.

    • mosinman

      Real men use a bastard sword

      • Ebby123

        I use a sharpened stick, thank you very much.
        And occasionally I bludgeon with a nearby rock.

  • Alan

    Has there ever been word on how many consecutive rounds a Glock 18 can fire full automatic before it gets all “melty”.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      I volunteer to find out.

      • Giolli Joker

        Great, load the magazines, then run over there and hold this target.

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          You must be a lawyer.

          • Giolli Joker

            Engineer, actually. 😛

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Whatever I hate you.

          • Phillip Cooper

            “Whatever, I hate you.”

            Freaking amateur. Did we not just have a discussion on grammar in this very thread?

            Jaysus, mary, and josephine….

    • James Earl Jones

      I think iraqveteran8888 did a video on that.

    • PK

      With the cyclic rate being so high, you’d think it would take less than it does. 1,200+ rounds in 33 round bursts until it stops running.

    • Nashvone

      Somewhere in the nether regions of TFB there’s a video of the test. IIRC, it’s around 800 rounds before the trigger quit resetting between magazines.

  • Asdf

    Glock lovers are so whiny.

    • The_Champ

      Seems like the only “Glock vs Sig” whiner on these comment threads, so far, is you 🙂

    • Nicks87

      Yeah and before that it was the 1911 guys, and before that it was the revolver guys, and before that it was the percussion cap guys etc, etc, on and on.

      • Ebby123

        Those damn stone spear-head guys were the worst..

        • Brett baker

          The metal spearpoint guys are worst, actually.

        • hikerguy

          I prefer the atlatl myself. I march To my own drummer. 😁

  • Nicks87

    I wonder how well a metal framed Sig pistol would hold up during this test?

    • sbee

      Metal frame isnt cool today, in the near future maybe

    • john huscio

      MAC tested the legion 226……didnt do so hot.

    • Bearacuda

      Here’s hoping for an 3rd party steel or aluminum frame!

    • HKfan

      They proved themselves in the 1980s when the SEALS chose the P226 and about 100+ federal agencies and LE agencies chose to issue the P226 or its variants like the 228, 229, etc.

  • Dario B.

    some of you guys don’t understand that the moment you need to use a pistol in combat, you are almost dead or facing some other problems and in both cases you will never shoot more than 2 magazines. So yes the Sig is good, no the glock didn’t followed the requests.
    Now stop argue and enjoy your guns.

    • OilRigRescue

      Obviously you’ve never cleared a building’s roof while cresting a ladder..you’ve only got one free hand in that situation. They get used more than you’d think for various circumstances not all that uncommon these days.

      • Dario B.

        You are right, I am a NCO of the artillery, not infantry, but nevertheless, cleaning a roof would not throw thousands of bullets with your gun

    • Ebby123

      Order of threat neutralization in modern warfare goes something like this:
      1- Predator drone missile
      2- Airstrike (bomber/jet-borne munitions)
      3- Hellicopter gunship strike
      4- Artillery
      5- Tank
      6- Mounted 50-cal
      7- Mortars
      8- Infantry Light Machine gun
      9- Infantry rifle
      10- Infantry Pistol / Hand to hand combat.

      Pistols are used to kill bad guys about as often as MRE Sporks in the modern military – it only makes sense to go with the cheapest reputable platform.

      At the end of the day this whole contract is really about marketing rights to the U.S. commercial and law enforcement market, and maybe some contracts with NATO allies.

      • gabriel brack

        According to roe at the time, we had to use our green beams before warning shots for traffic creeping up on us. And the handcuffs just got tighter after that.

      • cwolf

        You forgot the bayonet. 🙂

  • ActionPhysicalMan

    It is hard for me to imagine that the Sig is not at least as good at the Glock 99% of the time. I do realize that in many thousands of actual uses that could mean soldier deaths, but so could not spending the extra money somewhere else in the DoD.

    • Ebby123

      For a handgun that rarely gets used in combat at ALL – no, that 1% will not make a difference. Spend it on more predator drones.

      That said, there’s no evidence that the 320 is any less reliable than a Glock TMK.

  • POWNV

    Ok, this is fun talk… really it is. But come on… who cares what the military uses in terms of a handgun other than the companies selling the handguns. Any other weapon/tool I care about but a handgun in the field (from what i’m told) is like a 3rd nipple. I asked a SEAL that works in my office what he thought of the whole thing and his response was “who cares… I never used the thing”. If they saved a ton of money buy going with a globally reputable company like SIG then great.

  • Treiz

    “So, my hat’s off to the P320, which continues to show its a SOLID handgun”
    Except for when the heat is on, where it turns slightly to liquid…

    • Joshua

      1,000 rounds in 13 minutes is an inordinate amount of ammunition.

      The barrel and slide got incredibly hot, and unlike Glock the P320 doesn’t have a 1/4″ gap between the slide and frame.

      Luckily the frame is a $30 part on the P320.

      • PK

        “1,000 rounds in 13 minutes is an inordinate amount of ammunition.”

        That’s an understatement. Very few small arms have the ability to run that many rounds in that amount of time and remain functional.

    • Brett baker

      At least the mag didn’t melt to the frame, unlike the Austrian dramatic plastic.

      • Treiz

        I’d like to see that, post link. I’ve heard of the guide rod melting but not the mag.

        • Brett baker

          When the Miami police adopted the Flock, they had cases of cops coming off of patrol
          Unable to to drop out the mags. The frame and mags melted together. Glock “reperfected” their polymer formulation.

          • Treiz

            My googlefu has failed me, can you provide a link?

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            Well, it’s quite warm there.

  • Gee

    IMHO, the 1,000 round test, these days, proves nothing.

  • Anonymoose

    Now do 1000 rounds rapid with a Glock 19 Gen3.

  • Phillip Cooper

    “Much ado has been made recently about the US Army’s piss-poor performance in completing the evaluations of handguns in the Modular Handgun System contract”

    Wow, way to not be biased or anything, and maintain your journalistic ethics.

    Oh wait. Are you bucking for a career with the MSN?

    • Just Say’n

      On top of that, it sounds like the Army will still continue with the PVT (Product Validation Testing) phase, with only SIG.

  • Adam

    Is no one else relieved that the results of the MHS spared us Glocks with a thumb safety?

  • DangerousClown

    Sig doesn’t have the lineage Glock has?

    • john huscio

      In polymer striker fired pistols, no.

  • nova3930

    Even if you do melt the polymer on the SIG, it’s a <$50 MSRP replacement part. Do it with basically any other weapon and it's time for a new gun….

    • Stephen Paraski

      That is problem with Glock. Want a rail on your gen 1 21? Sorry, buy a new gun.

      • BaconLovingInfidel

        Is no problem with Glock. Is perfection.

      • uisconfruzed

        Ship it to Glock & pay $100.

  • jonp

    Must be a slow day. The grammer Nazi’s are out in force

    • BaconLovingInfidel

      Kelsey Grammer has never played a Nazi.

      • uisconfruzed

        Bwaaaahahaha!

  • Ratcraft

    No jams but melted the frame. Rex zero in for another win.

  • Sausage

    TFB.. Glock fanboy, not politics.

  • James Young

    Anyone know if he used the Gen2 frame in the test or the Gen1? I know his test P320 is something he bought early on.

  • Jim Graham

    TFB, we get it, you love Glock and it’s the best pistol ever. Now can we stop with the MHS articles?

  • mosinman

    SIG hacked the MHS

  • USMC03Vet

    Would 1,000 round shoot off test melt Glock sights? Somebody get on that.

  • William Nelson

    Real question is why is he wearing a pistol while shooting another pistol?
    -thatsnothowitworks.jpg

  • jeffrey melton

    Most of these comments here are about the poorly written TFB article. The fact that Sig can do the job for much less money than Glock should be the issue. For far too long the US military has spent far too much tax money for far too little product for political reasons including kick-back for product preference. We need to learn to live within our means and not buy $500.00 hammers when $10.00 hammers will suffice.

  • supergun

    In America, we still have the right to talk like we want, to write like we want, to smell like we want, and to look like we want. Long live America, and don’t mind the complainers.

  • PaulWVa

    “Much ado has been made recently about the US Army’s piss-poor performance….” Uh….by who? Glock fanboys? Glock share holders? Glock? …. The Army got it right the first time, so Glock please take your “squirt gun” looking crap and go build a better gun…see ya in 20 years or so…..maybe.

  • uisconfruzed

    It looks like it would have an exposed hammer with the bore being so high.

  • Dario B.

    oookay

  • cwolf

    wwwDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=3tlKjrOi2zo

    wwwDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=0_JuF23qazI

  • Jason Adams

    Why not do the same side by side with the Glock MHS offering? That I would like to see.

  • CavScout

    That’s about at the same length the army tested it…
    UNSEEN DAMAGE AND ALL