ARMY Says MHS Is OVER, Glock Exploring Other Options

According to a recent article at Military.com, US Army spokespersons said in emails with the magazine that the Army would not be re-trying the Modular Handgun System competition between finalists SIG Sauer and Glock. This statement comes on the heels of Glock Vice President Josh Dorsey’s complaint that the MHS program had been left unfinished, saying that the endurance testing went “uncompleted”. However, a report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) contradicts this assessment, and notes that the Army never promised in the Request for Proposal (RFP) to award more than one contract prior to Product Validation Testing (PVT).

In the emails, the Army spokesperson said that the MHS contract award “speaks for itself”, backing up a contract awarded on the basis of an over 100 million dollar gap between Glock’s and SIG’s bids. However, Glock’s senior management isn’t done yet, according to the Military.com article: The company will continue to seek ways to re-open testing.

With the force of the GAO report behind them, the massive difference in the two companys’ bids, and the conclusion of a program that dates back to the early 2000s, the US Army’s case for sticking with SIG seems very strong. It’s unclear what paths Glock is considering to give themselves another shot at winning the competition.





Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He is also the author of the original web serial Heartblood, which is being updated and edited regularly. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • Major Tom

    Ay chingar! This drama episode lasts longer than most TV series!

    • hikerguy

      A miniseries to boot. 🙂

  • it’s just Boris

    At some point, the Army and GAO should start sending Glock bills for the time Glock is making them waste on this.

    • More than likely they are going to go political. Trying to get Congress to force the issue.

      Sort of like the Dragonskin did.

      • Jim Slade

        The way things are going, our troops have a better chance of being issued Makarovs.

        • The M9A3 is still a possibility. But it likely will be called something else, do some minor tweaks and call it the M9A4. That way the Army doesn’t lose face over rejecting the M9A3 ECP.

  • G B

    Readers Say MHS Articles Should Be Over, TFB Exploring Other Options

    • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

      I dont mind, and MHS is the biggest story in the firearms world at the moment.

      • catfish252

        only for Glock fanboys – the rest of the world including the US Army has moved on, I suggest Glock learn from this screw up – hire someone who can lead a project like this and make them winners.

        • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

          Im definitely not a Glock fanboy. I in fact carry a P320 and Im quite excited about MHS because it will most likely mean more factory options from Sig and a much larger aftermarket. I guess I am mostly just enjoying watching Glock and its fanboys trying to grasp what just happened. I however find the company itself to be the most amusing.

          • catfish252

            Sorry didn’t mean to refer to you as a Glock fanboy – I carry the Sig P320 also an would never give it up. One of the finest pistols to ever hit the street. The Glock folks have an awful lot of creative marketing to do to tilt the scales to the tune of $100 million.

          • SeeTheForestThruTrees

            As a serious shooter (not a Glock fanboy), I’m reeling from the selection. Having shot, competitively, quite a few handguns in my day, I can think of no less than a dozen better firearms than the P320, performance-wise. E.G. sight-recovery, reset, lock-time, etc.

            Here are a few “service” sized guns that I feel would have been a better choice: Glock 19 Gen4, Beretta APX, S&W M&P9 2.0, CZ P10c, Steyr M9A1….Canik TP9….S&W SD9….Taurus PT111 G2 (<–not kidding, those last 3 all shoot better than the Sig P320 in one way or another).

            The thing is, people are claiming the Army is trying to save 100mil USD…well how much has the MHS program cost us to begin with from its inception? I'm willing to bet more than that over the past ~10 years. Had they just picked a good pistol to start with and avoided the dog and pony show, they could have afforded a much better pistol and still saved more money than they spent on that ill-gotten program.

            So why the drawn-out fund drain? I don't know, but it has obviously affected the decision and allowed the selection of a pistol for the once-and-awhile shooter.

            I'm not saying that serious shooters prefer Glock, I'm simply saying serious shoots prefer something other than the P320 aka the Pogue320.

          • LGM Commando 070
          • Seth Hill

            Ummm…. Taurus PT111 G2 is NOT a “service” sized gun. It is a compact.

          • SPQR9

            The fact that none of those actually met the specifications seems not to deter you.

          • Kyle

            *snerk* Taurus

          • Dave D

            I was open to the thought of other options out there until you got to the Steyr M9A1….Canik Tp9….S&W SD9….Taurus PT111 G2. You lost me there.

          • NukeItFromOrbit

            I was open to the thought of other options until he started with the Glock 19.

          • cwolf

            Right or wrong, that’s not how the system works.

            Army identifies requirements, then manufacturers choose to submit bids. In this case, the offering had a fair amount of stuff in it.

            Anybody submitting has to prove they have the capacity to manufacture the required quantities in the US.

            If Taurus (whoever) doesn’t submit, they’re not considered.

            Your criteria (sight recovery, reset, lock-time, etc.) are not in the test protocol. The Army is mainly concerned with can 5-95% folks shoot the gun (reason behind it being modular) and is it reliable and functionally accurate?

            Again, the Army doesn’t apriori pick a good pistol. They ask for submissions that must meet requirements, then test them. If 2 different pistols survive testing, then the low bidder wins.

            Cheers.

          • richard kluesek

            yes and Ruger SR 9 /40 were never entered and are in the league of your list.

        • Kevin Riley

          1911 owners still haven’t let it go.

          • Some of us have. (Of course, I stopped *carrying* my 1911s after buying my fist Sig Combat Tupperware years ago… 😉 )

        • n0truscotsman

          What screw up?

          SIG underbid them. The decisive advantage was in the ammunition production category.

        • n0truscotsman

          Ill also add this:

          WTF is it with this ‘im not a glock fanboy but…” garbage? is this the new politically correct virtue signalling on the internet?

          Jeez one would think we’ve engaged in a discussion on a rad fem forum.

          • iksnilol

            I’m not a Glock fanboy, but I hecking love lasagna.

      • Giolli Joker

        There’s still Bollywood, though…

      • James Young

        Same. I’ve been following MHS for years, so I appreciate the coverage.

    • 40mmCattleDog

      You know you have the whole goddamm internet to search if you want specific articles on topics, why does TFB audience these days need Nathaniel to spoon feed them EXACTLY what they want to see and nothing else. Sorry but the MHS is a firearm topic and this is a firearm blog, get over it. It not like he is going Katie A status here and posting about leapers and utg crap, this article is totally relevant. Use the search bar if you want to look at your specific interests genius this is the 21st century not some monthly magazine subscription. *Rant over.*

      • Herp

        *Implying Leapers and UTG aren’t firearm related*

        *implying you are upset at Katie A for not spoon feeding you exactly what you want to see*

      • G B

        It must be hard to be on the Internet when you don’t get any jokes.

        • 40mmCattleDog

          The entitlement over a free blog kind of drains the humor.

  • Matt

    It’s not like Glock has a lot of capital tied up in the MHS program. All they did was run the frame in FDE with a manual safety…

    • They have ego, Glock isn’t supposed to lose contracts period. Every contract is supposed to be awarded to Glock.

      • William Nelson

        In a recent letter, Glock had this to say:
        “Glock,
        Glock, glock glock glock glock glock? Glock glock. Glock, glock, glock glock.
        Glock glock glock glock.
        Glock,
        Glock.”

        • noob

          What turkey did they get from Legal to write that?

          • Stu

            Not sure, but he charges three bills an hour.

  • Renov8

    I think Glock was looking to market this new pistol to the civie market, there by boosting it’s sales and maintaining it’s market share and bragging rights. I also wonder what they know that has not been disseminated in a public forum…there has to be some basis to this complaint.

    • catfish252

      I think it’s called hurt feelings and busted pride.

      • TD

        I think the word you’re looking for is “butthurt”.

        • iksnilol

          That is the technical term for it. But not everybody uses such an advanced vernacular.

    • I thought they already announced they have no intention of marketing it to the US civilian market, maybe not even the US police market — their MHS submission will just die a lingering death of people complaining for years from now, “Glock wuz robbed!”

      (Sort of how the Stoner 69 system is proclaimed “The best thing ever, should have been adopted except for Colt!!!” by people who never handled it, never handled logistics, and don’t realize the primary reason the SEALs liked it was it was really the only feasible 5.56mm LMG game in twon at the time. The USMC and US Army tests of the rifle setups pointed out the flaws – even in comparison to mid to late 1960’s M16s…)

  • catfish252

    Glock has nothing left in their bag of tricks – the kiss of death was being $100 million more than Sig Sauer. Sig was more innovative and had the better pistol. Glock submitted the same old gun that they have sold for the last umpteen years and put a safety on it. Glock is wasting their shareholders and the American taxpayers money on this fight and by doing so Glock is just making themselves look like spoiled whiny brats who are angry they didn’t get their own way.

    • PK

      The P320 would have to be a monumental pile for the money alone to not be the deciding factor, being that the belt seems to be tightening as far as the new administration.

      Add in the timing, and the cutting short of the trials, and it seems fairly clear that this was rushed through just to prevent the program being scrapped entirely. Again.

      • They didn’t “cut short the trials”. The trials you’re whining about were for whoever got a production contract — NOT for any and all contestants who WANTED a contract. That’s why they are to be run on PRODUCTION pistols…

    • n0truscotsman

      They were evaluated and came to the same conclusions regarding reliability.

      Where SIG beat them was ammunition production (part of the competition) and price.

      So the claims of the P320 being ‘better’ are just another form of fanboyism they accuse glock fans of having.

  • Gee

    Maybe Glock will get the hint to modernize its offerings now. Yes, Glocks are great because they simply, work. But, other companies are surpassing them in innovation. Adding front slide serrations and calling it a “Gen5” isn’t going to work anymore.

    • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

      Glock is no longer the only $500 polymer gun that works.

      • Gee

        Yes, agreed.

      • Ebby123

        That’s really the key. Glock was the best, but now that level of performance and reliability is common place…. but Glock still selling the “BUT WE’RE RELIABLE!” line as though that’s something unique to them.

      • PK

        Succinct!

        That really is the perfect summary – what do Glocks do? No frills, reliable lightweight handguns. Well, as you point out, they have company these days.

        I will continue to hope they bother catering to the market currently buying rifles and carbines that use their magazines. They could have long since owned that particular market.

        • Ebby123

          And many of their peer platforms come with frills at the same price that Glock comes without.

        • noob

          I always wondered about the carbine market and why big G never paid attention to it. Is it because you can put a stock on a pistol in Germany? Is it because their barrel making machine could only handle blanks of 10 inches or less? so many questions.

      • MIke H

        Bingo.

        My comment on a previous article was to the effect of “Is there anyone who wouldn’t trust their life to one of the MHS entrants? If not, then what’s the issue?”

        Glocks go “bang” when you need it, and hits what you’re aiming at. The P320 goes “bang” when you need it, and hits what you’re aiming at. So does the M&P, the FN-509, the P-07/09, the APX, etc… I would trust my life to any one of those guns. The P320 just happens to be the best combination of going “bang”, hitting what you’re aiming at, being adaptable to the user and situation, and cost and maintenance for the Army’s needs.

        • Ebby123

          …but the APX is so damn ugly. I wouldn’t want to admit to “bang”ing it.

          ^.^

      • cwp

        Glock is like the Volvo of handguns. Remember how Volvo used to market themselves on being the safest cars in the world? They had all kinds of fancy safety technology. They invented three-point seatbelts. They were the first car to use side-impact airbags. Safety was their thing.

        As it turned out, while it took a while, other auto manufacturers eventually figured out that a significant part of the buying public cared about safety. Today’s Volvos are still really, really safe cars. The big difference is that most other cars are also really, really safe — especially cars in Volvo’s price range — and, while they still have an advantage, it’s no longer a large enough advantage to sell on that alone.

        • n0truscotsman

          Your analogy is really incorrect.

          Glocks story is similar to Toyotas actually. Toyota is a thing now because they out-american’ed the americans when it came to auto, and it only took until recently for other competitors to catch up.

          Mind you, like Toyota, they’re still a major player.

          • cwp

            A thing can be analogous to more than one other thing.

            In one sense, Glock is analogous to Volvo. In another sense, they’re analogous to Toyota. I’m sure if you went looking for similarities, you could find reason to draw analogies between Glock and almost every automobile manufacturer there is.

          • n0truscotsman

            I suppose so, but that really wasn’t my point.

            They became successful because semi-automatic, magazine fed, inexpensive, low maintenance, consistent triggers, and utterly reliable weren’t exactly attributes of pre-1980s 9mm repeaters. The exception was the antiquated HP.

            Other companies have caught up, realizing these things are critically important rather than just ‘good perks’. And we’re all the better for it.

          • Ebby123

            You’ve just described the life cycle of all consumer product development.
            Make desirable features come standard at a price people are willing to pay.

          • noob

            except ferrari.
            ferrari is like the anti-glock

          • Ebby123

            No YOUR analogy is really incorrect!

            Glock is really like frozen bananas. When they were first introduced people couldn’t get enough of them, but now there are choco-tacos and freezy pops sold at the gas station.

            ^.^

    • Nicks87

      Modernize what exactly?

      • noob

        Modularity such that the magwell/grip frame is easily separable from some kind of internal chassis that holds the trigger goodies so the caliber swap to a longer OAL cartridge is easier to do?

        • ARCNA442

          I’m not certain that modularity is actually the best option. One of Glock’s greatest selling points (at least to me) is its extreme simplicity. I’m not sure if it would be possible to maintain that with a fully modular design.

          • iksnilol

            Works for the AR-15

          • 3of11

            An ar15 is not simple. Count the number of parts in one. Modular yes, simple no

          • iksnilol

            Tokarev TT has more parts than a 1911, yet is simpler.

      • ARCNA442

        Make a blend of their MOS and FBI guns and throw in an optional threaded barrel and you would have the most modern gun on the market (since modern seems to mean extra features).

      • Gee

        “Modernize what exactly?”

        Grip – Everyone complains about it. Look at just some of the competition. Sig – Modular/interchangeable frames. HK VP9/40- Replaceable back strap AND side panels. Maybe Glock can be the first to have replaceable front grip panels. One with flat and smooth, one with finger grooves, one with checkering like a 1911?

        Trigger – It’s okay, when compared to what is out now. Look at some of the competition. Walther PPQ, HK VP9/40, Canik TP9 – All of these, IMO, are better than Glock

        Sights – Do I really need to go one about Glock sights?

        Barrels – Offer more threaded barrels and suppressor height sights, especially with their MOS models – Look at some of the competition – HK VP9/40 offer different models like the LE, Tactical, etc.

        My point is, everyone else has something more to offer with the same, if not better reliability. Reliability is everywhere now. Now, people want options and extras. The polymer game is no longer one sided.

  • Mike

    This is just becoming embarrassing.
    Stahp Gaston, plz. stahp!

  • Klaus Von Schmitto

    Glock: Please don’t do this. No one will ever love you like I love you. I can make you the happiest Army in the world if you just give me one more chance.

    • Ebby123

      I laughed long and hard at that.. thank you.

      • iksnilol

        *snicker* “long and hard”

        😂

        • Слава Србији

          Као да Босанци воле српски курац! Рогоња

          • iksnilol

            Neat, I got my first stalker.

            And he’s a serb nationalist. Double neat.

          • Слава Србији

            Cам Американка.

          • iksnilol

            That explains your horible grammar, for shame. Don’t use a language you’ve got no grasp over.

          • Слава Србији

            Отоманска прљавштина. Yet I was initially a “Serb Nationalist”

          • iksnilol

            Well, you don’t need to be a serb to be a serb nationalist.

          • Слава Србији

            I guess you have me there on the nationalist part. Although it is a true twist of irony to be called nationless and a mongrel by a Bosnian who lives in Norway… I bid you good day sir!

          • iksnilol

            Ah, you are finally using an language you are understandable in.

            I can bet your parents are serb immigrants, and you have taken up the mantle of protecting your country even if you’ve never been there.

          • Slava

            Nope. No family in Serbia, though I do hold Serbs in general in high regard. I am 3rd gen American with my family coming from Baden-Württemberg. I’m no troll. And my user name didn’t change, I just cut Serbia off the end and changed from the cyrillic to latin alphabet. And my writing was good enough for you to understand. Also if I am no mistaken, isn’t ” te usta ” Croatian spelling instead of “ti”? I could swore I have seen Croats or Slovenes write it that way xd

          • iksnilol

            “te” would have been a person, IE “jebem te Mario” (f*** you Mario), “ti” would be something that the person has.

            “And my user name didn’t change, I just cut Serbia off the end and changed from the cyrillic to latin alphabet.” then you kinda did change usernames.

          • LGM Commando 070

            Both of you are stupid

          • Slavaahhh

            Okay you got me. I am with Безбедносно-информативна агенција and doing an investigation.

          • Slava

            I guess you got me there, Kosovo je Srbija huuuuhhrraagh!. I must say, it is a strange twist of irony to be called nationless and a mongrel by a “Bosnian” who lives in Norway. I bid you good day sir!

          • iksnilol

            C’mon lad, you can troll better than that.

            Also, where’s the guts? Commenting under two throwaway names? Youth nowadays.

          • Слава Србији

            Jebem te usta @_@

          • iksnilol

            *ti, correct is jebem ti usta.

            Again, if you want to insult me. At least do it properly you nationless mongrel.

          • Klaus Von Schmitto

            Be careful. Those guys shoot people. Trust me, I know.

          • iksnilol

            I know, that’s why they’re so fun.

            I mean, he’s even started commenting under different names. That’s so tragic.

          • Mel_Anosis

            Da

        • ko ga jebe, kad je komunista

          Fittetryne

  • roguetechie

    Considering the lengths Gaston’s kids go to when fighting amongst themselves…

    Someone get detective mcclane to nakatomi towers f***ing pronto!

    We’ve got another situation with pissed off Austrians!

    • Jim Slade
      • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

        Meanwhile we see what happens to HK…

      • roguetechie

        Pretty sure the bad guy and his gang were Austrians… A few of them carried steyr AUG’s so even if they weren’t it still counts!

        • Anonymoose

          No, they were supposed to be East Germans.
          Also, Alan Rickman should have grown his beard back for Harry Potter. Snape in the books had a beard.

          • roguetechie

            Fine damnit!

            East Germans… But blah blah Americans r can not into geography therefore they’re Austrians damnit

  • The_Champ

    People are talking about Glock, the company, as if it is a spoiled brat child with ego issues.
    It is a private company, doing what private companies do; trying to make money. And it is doing so within the insane parameters of modern government procurement.

    Turning this into fuel to feed your irrational, emotion based dislike of an inanimate gun makes you look stupid.

    My opinion only.

    • Nicks87

      You sir, are 100% correct.

    • noob

      The gun is fine. The gun isn’t writing the letters and filing the complaints.

    • PK

      Any company would be sort of nuts to not appeal this sort of decision. What do you have to lose? You have a multi-hundred-million dollar contract to gain, if the decision gets changed… worth some ink and paper and a lawyer’s time. I’d be doing the same as FN and Glock, and also contesting it!

      • Jason Culligan

        What’s ruffling feathers is the fact that Glock already tried to legally appeal the decision and lost. Now they just look desperate.

      • mosinman

        yeah nobody cared that they appealed directly after they lost like every other company competing for a gov contract

  • noob
  • Well, let’s see… MARSOC, SEALS, Green Berets are still buying Glocks… As well as 80% of Law Enforcement. And in every Gun Thread on any given forum is the phrase “Just Get a Glock”. I think Glock is going to be okay. Just a little chaffed in the butt region, but they’ll be fine.

    • Phillip Cooper

      Forums, by and large, are sources of idiotic disinformation with oft-repeated catchlines intended to make the source appear smart.

      Saying things like “just get a glock”, for instance.

      • n0truscotsman

        As compared to what? gun shops?

        LMAO!!!!

        As bad as forums may be, at least there is a lot of sanity injected into them.

        “Saying things like “just get a glock”, for instance”

        thats solid advice. Refute it or have a tall glass.

  • USMC03Vet

    I’m just waiting for Glock to do the logical thing and blame the Russians for their loss to SIG. It worked so well for the other loser delusionals.

    • M.M.D.C.

      With GNN breathlessly “reporting” on the story 24/7.

      • PK

        More like Glaux News Network…

    • Green Hell

      Russians are Glock’s customers, Orsis assembles them under license, so it wouldn’t be smart.

    • LGM Commando 070
      • Kurt Akemann

        The famous “World Map According to Ronald Reagan” cartoon.

        • LGM Commando 070

          Yes
          Here is a little Reagan re-incarnated

          • SP mclaughlin

            You realize he made a joke at the expense of American liberals, not Russia, right?

          • LGM Commando 070

            OH
            I thought I posted under NotoriusIUD comment

            I apologize ))

  • Black Dots

    The P320 seems like a fine pistol, despite the fact it is relatively new. My only concern here is the substantial discrepancy between the bids. If I remember correctly, SIG came in over $100M below the Glock bid. Now, I’m all for paying less, but as someone who deals with contractors all day, I know that sometimes people give you a lowball bid just to get the business. In those cases, you have to worry if the contractor will have the resources (or motivation) to deliver the product or service in a timely and high-quality fashion.

    We know that Glock has been able to provide guns to police departments at very low prices for decades, while still being able to stay profitable. I doubt they overbid this project, which makes me doubly concerned about SIG’s pricing.

    But hey, if they can make it work, great.

    • Jason Culligan

      I think the important question to ask is how much were the other bids? We know that the Sig was $100m cheaper than the Glock but how cheap was it relative to the other bidders?

    • Mr. Rumpswatch

      Good point.
      And certainly Steyr’s case against Sig for using their supposed patent will determine this.

  • kn1023
  • Big Daddy

    I am wondering if SIG can handle the 320 market. Making spare parts for all the guns in the military as well as agencies and civilians. If there is a parts shortage it will work in Glocks favor by pushing people away from SIG. Who comes first? I’m sure it’s the military so agencies and civies will be forced to redline their guns and return to the Glock. This will affect future purchases especially from agencies when they see their guns redlined indefinitely and no parts available. What about magazines? My friend is still trying to find the slimmer take down lever. He’s not happy about that.

    Meanwhile I can get any Glock part at my local range or the many online places. As well as magazines, even Magpul makes them. How about holsters? I’m sure over time more and more parts and aftermarket parts will become available. But they are already there for Glocks. You can even build a Glock without even using a single Glock part. The Glock has become the modern 1911 and AR15 because of that.

  • Anonymoose

    “ARMY” and “GLOCK” are not acronyms. Stop capitalizing them.

    • Bill

      I’m under the impression that GLOCK is capitalized by, well, GLOCK, so capitalizing it would be appropriate. At least that’s why I do it.

      • Anonymoose

        That’s just marketing crap. It’s not an acronym, like SIG. It’s unworthy of being capitalized. Who do they think they are, GOD?

        • Bill

          What’s your position on e.e. cummings? 😉

          • noob

            missionary

        • noob

          ARMY STRONG – it’s how strongly you will dislike the brand.

  • Joshua Graham

    Why isn’t it set up so that they force these companies into bidding wars with each other in a more direct manner? “Hey Glock, this is what SIG says they can give us for this price. Match it or beat it.”

    All in all, though, I think they probably should’ve just gone with some sort of refurbishing program with Beretta to convert M9s into M9A3s. I don’t see what the point in switching to a new handgun is given how seldom they’re used in combat, especially when the existing one works just fine.

    • ARCNA442

      That is an interesting question. Why not have open bids and a round of counter bids instead of the secret bids they currently use?

      • Joshua Graham

        This is how smart customers do business. I routinely ask stores to price match something if I find it cheaper somewhere else. Or get them to compete, even.

  • Eric Frey

    maybe if they didn’t just add a manual safety to a G19… who knows. I know their pistols are highly reguarded, but I honestly can’t see why they don’t try and do something newer than slightly adjusting the grip design and slide length.

  • Vitsaus

    Don’t panic fanboys, leaked documents show that Russian hackers may have influenced the outcome of the MHS trials. There will be a thorough investigation, and hopefully SIG will be impeached. In the mean time, glock supporters need to take tot he streets in pink hats to protest this corrupt selection process.

  • Noishkel
  • Gun-Toting Racist

    Look for Glock brand w(h)ine in your grocer or liquor store!

  • Audie Bakerson

    It’s like there’s a reason people believe Glock bribes PDs to adopt their stuff…

  • Gun Fu Guru

    The “speaks for itself” phrase is getting old in the government. If we are asking questions, “it” doesn’t speak for itself.

  • The_Champ

    Apparently a new trend in the TFB comments section is for a whole bunch of people to whine about Glock “whiners” and “fanboys” when neither of the two make any sort of appearance in the comments thread.

    There is no way to break this to you gently, so I will just come out and say it, you are now the whiners.

  • Kinetics

    So they’re gonna do what? Pull a Lockheed and sue? Because that didn’t turn out well for Lockheed.

  • noob

    Volvo’s not Trolling! Volvo is Boxxy you see?

  • mosinman

    this will become the next big drama series on Netflix or AMC

  • Gab7384

    Accept it Glock…you have lost a contract. It may happen.

  • mazkact

    I hope this is the last time I click on an MHS story but I likely will read more as I know more are to come in this soap opera. OK, it is fun to hear the lamentations of Glockensteins.

  • DynoSauR

    Everybody knows that Sig makes quality guns and I sold all my Glock’s when I felt how much better a M&P felt in my hand. How can a Sig with such a higher bore axis still come out on top of all the other guns in the trials who had a much lower bore axis?

  • Donald R. Hohman

    Always believed Sig-Sauer was the military pistol for our military. I carry a Mimber Four in 1911.

  • teesquare

    THIS>>>>
    “The company will continue to seek ways to re-open testing.”
    Says Glock MUST be run by a bunch of Liberal Dam-oh-craps…. They cannot accept they lost – and demand the rules be changed to suit their emotional needs…. YOU LOST. Get over it. Be better prepared next time.

  • ToddB

    So instead of spending this time making what people say they want, Glock spends it whining. I had a good laugh when I stopped at the gun shop yesterday. This big Glock banner, bragging how they now use metal sights, wow, what a revolutionary concept….oh thats right, everybody else already uses metal sights. Or front cocking serrations….oh yea thats not exactly new, and only took Glock 5 generations and 30 years to do it. I bought an FNS for the exact same price as a Glock, came w metal sights, fully ambi controls, metal guide rod, and an out of the box trigger way better than glock. Oh and you could change the backstraps to fit the hand. Glock refuses to make an ambi slide lock, refuses to make the grip adjustable. Then complains the army won’t pay more for their pistols.

  • Dave Buck

    You know what I really hate? Sore losers.

  • johnmosby

    Dear .mil folks,
    Your pistol has been manufactured by the lowest bidder. Good luck.
    Signed,
    Uncle Sam

    • Dave Buck

      So have their uniforms, vehicles, aircraft and everything else. But let us be clear: manufactured by the lowest technically acceptable bidder. That is the critical part -technically acceptable.

  • Mel_Anosis

    The FNH gun was probably the best. The reviews of the civilian version FN 509 tell the story. Once again, the Feds have screwed up. The again, anything coming out inside the beltway is nonsense.

  • HollowTs

    Damn QUIT CRYING!

  • Patrick K Martin

    I say again, what about the term “Modular” is everyone having a problem with? The Sig is “Modular” the Glock is NOT. Glock was disqualified by the fact that it fails to meet the standards for the test but not being modular and multi-caliber, so they need to move on.

  • Paul Paradis

    You lost. Get over it.