Netherlands Purchases 10,000 Gen 4 Glocks

The Armed Forces of the Netherlands will be receiving an order of 10,000 9x19mm NATO Gen 4 Glock 17s with the latest contract announced by the Dutch Ministry of Defense as reported by the Polish magazine Mil Mag. This comes after an initial purchase of 6,300 Gen 4s in the fall of 2016. Previously the Dutch were armed with the Browning 9x19mm Hi Power up until 1994 when they were replaced with Glock 17s sans a forend mounting rail. Glock 17s destined for Holland are specifically marked “NL” as a serial number prefix.

From Mil Mag-

The weapons were selected under negotiated procedure without publication of a contract notice, because of technical reasons connected with the protection of exclusive rights. The supplier, Technical Bureau H. A. Muller (TBM) located in Herveld, was selected because it is the official Dutch representative of Austrian Glock.

Although the newly issued weapon itself will share the similar operational characteristics of weight, size, accuracy, and magazine capacity, there are a number of advantages Dutch soldiers will gain with the Gen 4 that will be replacing their Gen 2s. Soldiers will gain the ability to mount a weapon light, wider magazine release, and improved ergonomics when it comes to the grip, among numerous other minor design changes that come with the Glock generation upgrades. However, the light-bearing capability might be lost among all but special operations troops (such as MARSOF, but SOF troops tend to have separate purchasing channels anyways) due to the lack of an immediate need for a sidearm with light-bearing among rank and file troops in militaries all over the world.



Miles

Infantry Marine, based in the Midwest. Specifically interested in small arms history, development, and usage within the MENA region and Central Asia. To that end, I run Silah Report, a website dedicated to analyzing small arms history and news out of MENA and Central Asia.

Please feel free to get in touch with me about something I can add to a post, an error I’ve made, or if you just want to talk guns. I can be reached at miles@tfb.tv


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  • Major Tom

    Should’ve gone with the SIG P320 errr…..M17 MHS. Would’ve been cheaper.

    :3

    • Kurt

      And a much better choice. When it comes to our Government money is the bottom line. not what saves lives!

  • Nicks87

    That was so simple. No ridiculous contest. No special requirements. Just go with a proven design.

    • Jason Culligan

      They already had their competitions in the early 1990’s. The Glock won and they don’t bother with holding a new competition every 20 odd years if the designs haven’t vastly improved.

      Dutch efficiency.

    • Klaus Von Schmitto

      It’s even simpler when they have no intention of ever using them. Srebrenica.

      • Laionidas

        Srebrenica was/is mostly a scape goating case to cover up the complete incompetence of European political cooperation during the Yugoslav conflict. Dutch commando’s fought like lions, as did the country’s first female fighter pilot. A seven man team and a single F16 held up the Serbian convoy for between three and four hours, but French or British backup never came. The Dutch regulars stationed at Srebrenica proper had a couple of rounds each for their FAL’s, intended purely for self defense, and lacked a mandate to actively engage anything. They didn’t cooperate with the Serbs, they practically surrendered and weren’t in a position to deny the Serbs anything. Should they have fought to the death with bayonets to take out a handfull of heavily armed Serbs to no significantly different result? Maybe, but being UN peacekeepers, it’d at least been frowned upon all the the same.

        • Mikial

          Any fighting is frowned upon by the UN for UN “Peacekeepers.”

    • Laionidas

      Yet, there currently is a huge scandal in Dutch media, that the Commando Corps is so poorly outfitted they are sent on missions basically wearing cheese cloth, and photo’s have been released of kabooms during training, because the barrels of their weapons are so worn out. Dutch regular troops are known for years to buy their own equipment, such as helmets and optical sights, because standard issue equipment is on the the level of of flintlocks and tricornes.

      By the way, the young man on the picture is a member of the “Luchtmobiel” (Air Mobile Brigade), the Dutch airborne troops, that drop by helicopter (Chinook) rather than parachute.

      • Mikial

        Sorry, but Dutch troops spend more time smoking pot and hitting the Red Light district in Amsterdam than training to fight.

  • Brett baker

    No love for Ruger?

    • Anonymoose

      What’s a Ruger?

      • SGT Fish

        I think its that company that has NEVER won a military contract or sold anything to the military

        • Oregon213

          Come on, the Royal Bermuda Regiment carried (carries?) the Mini-14. You don’t get much more operator than Bermuda shorts.

          • Gus Butts

            Mini-14s and shorts? Straight outta the 80s.

          • Giolli Joker

            Or a video from James…

          • The Royal Bermuda Regiment’s Ruger Mini-14 were retired a year or so ago for the L85A2.

          • john huscio

            Getting replaced by SA80s

          • Holdfast_II

            Man, I would have loved to operate in Bermuda shorts in the 38C heat of Alberta and Saskatchewan in summer. But no, we had solid dark green. And dark green, woolen berets.

          • mazkact

            A friend of mine who wanted to shoot his Mini 14 in Service rifle matches tried to use the Bermuda rifle argument, he lost. I would have loved to shoot my A2 H-bar against Mini fourteens though.

        • Ralph Mouth

          Actually, Ruger had a large military contract with the USAF which used the Security Six revolver in .357 for decades. In recent years they decided not to bother with LE and military sales because they are making too much money in commercial and they don’t want to hire up a real government sales division. If one of their distributors doesn’t make a sale to a government agency then it doesn’t happen and they don’t care.

          • Smedley Hverovhe Butler

            Well, French Gendarmes do use the Ruger Mousqueton AMD (Mini-14). Seems they’ve been seeing a lot of action recently with no issues.

          • snmp

            French Gendarmes have FAMAS, HK G36 (Phase out), HK UMP 9mm and HK416, HK417 and SIG SG 55X (phase out)
            AMD (Mini 14 Semi auto) is for Civilian Police (Police National) especially and Riot Unit (CRS who was base on communiste unit of the resitant after WWII)

          • Longrange

            I saw yesterday in Nice French National police officers carrying Ruger Mini-14s while providing anti-terrorist guard duty on the French national day. Some officers carried MP5A3s with them. Army personnel carried FAMAS rifles with EOTechs. Some soldiers did have brass chamber flags in their rifles while patrolling tourist areas.
            I also saw one police officer carrying what looked like B&T 40mm grenade launcher with folding stock. I guess he was carrying bean bags and not HE grenades while patrolling the luxus shopping mall.

          • Mr. Katt

            Also, the firearms production is not their largest source of revenue. Pinetree Castings in NH is kept busy by Pratt & Whitney and GE with jet engine parts.

    • mcjagermech

      What ever happened to the Ruger American pistol anyways? I heard a lot about it a few years ago and now nothing.

  • Mike

    Until 1994 the Dutch carried the Browning HP in 9 mm, not the SIG p226.
    Maybe the SIG was in limited use for special forces, but the regular pistol was the HP.

  • SGT Fish

    it wont stop the soldiers from buying their own lights and holsters to use. just like common US soldiers not getting issued pistol lights, they still buy and use them.

    • From where? And from who? How many stores in Holland can one find a Surefire X300 and an accompanying Safariland holster? This is an issue very prevalent in the UK where you can’t get firearms components so soldiers have to contend with buying airsoft products like rail covers, forward grips, etc…

      • The Forty ‘Twa

        Miles, where did you get the idea that you can’t get accessories in the UK? That is absolute nonsense.

        Items like magazines, sights and furniture are not restricted because they aren’t considered to be components. The only soldiers who would be buying airsoft versions of rail covers or foregrips would be those who are too stupid to find the real stuff through a search engine or from the catalogue of one of the multitude of companies that sell these sort of things.

        • Show me photographs of these British soldiers who are smart enough to buy these accessories and mount them to their service weapons. Non-SF guys at that.

          I lived in proximity with British RAF Reg, Paras, Royal Anglian infantry, and a myriad of support personal while on Leatherneck in 2013-14, making numerous trips every week to Bastion, going out on patrols with Paras and British linguists. Not ONCE did I see personally bought kit mounted on a single L85A2 rifle, or even holsters and lights on the Glock 17s.

          There might be the oddball out there who sees the benefit of a magpul forgrip or a Surefire Scout light, but the vast majority of the British Army either doesn’t, or doesn’t want to bother.

          • The Forty ‘Twa

            You are rather shamelessly moving the goalposts now that the idea that you can’t buy that sort of stuff in the UK has been knocked on the head. British soldiers can easily get that sort of stuff, they just tend not to. It isn’t down to being unable to acquire it as you initially claimed and I never served with anybody who bought airsoft kit because they couldn’t get the real deal.

            An optic, railcovers, a light/laser module and a foregrip are all issued kit when deployed. I didn’t meet many folks that would go out and buy any of that when it was issued when I was in but then again Scots are notoriously tight fisted.

            The above coupled with a general reluctance from the headshed for festooning a weapon with loads of personally bought kit is why you don’t see much of it rather than soldiers not being able to source the stuff.

            Anyway, if you didn’t see any personally bought kit once when deployed then how did you arrive at the conclusion that they have to buy airsoft gear instead? You say it is a prevalent issue in one post then a few hours later say you never once saw it.

          • From the conversations that I had with troops on Bastion is where I got the airsoft dilemma from, and from my experience not seeing any in person.

            Let’s have this conversation offline, I’d love to really talk about this issue, especially with a squadie that has a passion for firearms. I’m being dead honest here, you seem like you know exactly what you are talking about. My email is in my bio above

          • The Forty ‘Twa

            It wouldn’t make sense if they are considering buying airsoft kit instead of the real deal when they can get genuine stuff easily enough. There are companies who cater specifically for that sort of thing. The only consideration really would be price I suppose. They obviously aren’t buying the airsoft stuff because we don’t see it in use.

  • Holdfast_II

    And yet Canada still “soldiers on” with WW II Hi-Powers.

    See Canada, it’s really not that hard for a small military to just go and buy some goddam pistols off the shelf.

    • Gus Butts

      The procurement system in place has failed us for decades… Hopefully it gets revamped like it was supposed to (I think) so we can also buy Glocks and have even more people NDing into their buddies and killing them overseas. If this happened numerous times with a single-action pistol with a manual safety, I can’t imagine all the horror stories that would pop up should we purchase a striker-fired pistol in the future and not train our guys properly on it. :O But they would be very easy to work on for armourers and parts would be really easy to get.

      • Holdfast_II

        So get the MHS Glock with the ugly little safety. Get anything made in the last 50 years.

      • Nicks87

        “NDing into their buddies and killing them overseas”.

        Oh please. Let’s all grow up and stop blaming the design of the firearm and not the lack of training or ineptitude of the people carrying the weapon. If you gave soldiers a sack of rocks as personal defense weapons some of them would still probably end up hurting each other/themselves.

        • Gus Butts

          Which I literally wrote just a little bit further into my post, quit getting butthurt.

          • Kurt

            The Hi Power was and still is a quality pistol, but now a days, to many parts to fail. One life is to many to gamble with.

      • Mr. Katt

        Keep the booger hook off the bang button until you want it to go bang and you don’t have that problem — with ANY firearm.

    • Dave Buck

      The fact that a pistol was made in WWII is neither here nor there, so long as it is serviceable. The problems attributed to the Browning design are not an issue provided the troops are properly trained. I would have no qualms whatsoever about carrying an Inglis Browning (again), a 1911A1 or any one of a number of handguns that date from that period. I have a number of them. But then I am an ‘enthusiast’ (I prefer that term to ‘gun nut’). Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about the vast majority of people in the military.

      Because pistol, and indeed all marksmanship training, in modern militaries is reduced significantly (Virtually non-existent in some cases) due to budgetary restraints and the need for time to be wasted on other things like ‘compliance’ training, they feel the need to buy ‘safer’ handgun designs to compensate. One thing I noted in 40+ years of service in two different armies is that if you want support for a sports team, the unit will bend over backwards. If you want support for a shooting team, or for improved shooting skills, it’s always “We don’t have the budget for that”. It’s like they have forgotten the actual purpose of being an ‘armed’ force. Sad really.

      I say never mind replacing the Inglis Browning, just train people to use it properly.

      • Holdfast_II

        I own two Brownings and like the design. But the ones actually in the inventory are beyond shot out.

        • Dave Buck

          I see.
          When I was sent to Lahr for REFORGER 86, I was issued an Inglis Browning with a 12TXXXX serial number. Prior to that date, the highest serial number I had ever seen in my years of service, was an 8TXXXX. The pistol I was issued had never been fired (except of course for testing at John Inglis during WWII). The famous decal on the grip in English, Russian and Chinese was pristine. At that time there were literally thousands of Brownings in stock/war reserve. (Do the math, that’s potentially 40,000 pistols made between the latest I had ever run across, and that one.)
          I suppose over the years they have all been issued, and worn out. It is equally likely that the same moron who decided we no longer needed the C1s, C2s and SMGs in war reserve and got rid of them, also got rid of a large number of the pistols as well.
          Some very stupid things were done after the fall of the Soviet Union in pursuit of ‘peace dividends’. Things like closing out 1 CF Supply Depot in Toronto where a lot of the war reserve was held. With less space to hold stock, and the idiot Liberals cutting the Forces back by 20,000, it may have seemed like a good idea to get rid of pistols dating from the 1940s.
          If that is the case, then it is indeed time for a new pistol. Replacing a stock of firearms that are worn out is something I can certainly support. Replacing a perfectly serviceable pistol design with something else, just because it is new, is another story.

          • Holdfast_II

            Well, the ones I used in the mid and late 1990s had so little bluing left that they were practically shiny. And they rattled like a children’t toy. According to the Canadian government it is becoming increasingly difficult to source spares, so I tend to think that they must have already cannibalized the spare weapons for parts.

            Again, I quite like the design (except for the magazine disconnect safety, ugh) – I have an old Israeli police model which was clearly carried a lot but not shot much – I replaced various springs, the sights and the awful grips, and had the magazine safety disconnect removed by a gunsmith (it should be easy to remove, but someone in Israel had welded the pin into place, presumably to keep an Israeli cop from performing the removal). But the cost doesn’t make sense – new Hi-Powers are just too pricey compared to a P226, P320 or a Glock.

            Personally, I think the US Army made the right call – the P320 may not be the “best” pistol in terms of accuracy, but it’s good enough, and the ability to adjust the ergos, and to treat the grip/frame like a disposable part is incredibly useful from a logistics standpoint. It is also by far the easiest pistol to clean that I have ever come across.

  • mcjagermech

    Maybe this will act as Preparation H and sooth Glock’s butthurt

  • Dougscamo

    Cleaning rifle from groundhog hunting….glanced at screen….snickered at a simple solution….go back to cleaning rifle….

  • Jason Guhl

    Good choice on handgun, but I want to know what handguard he has on his rifle. Looks nice.

    • DwnRange

      As they are known to use Heckler & Koch HK416N rifles w/ CompM4 Aimpoints, suspect it came from H&K, (don’t look like anything available in the US).

      • int19h

        The rifle doesn’t look like 416 at all – it’s clearly DI, for one.

      • Jason Culligan

        That’s a C8NLD with a CAA X4 handguard.

  • Mr. Katt

    Okay . . . so they don’t spend a gazillion$$$ on fake ‘R&D’ and adopt a design that hasn’t proven itself in any way shape or form . . . yet they had the audacity to go with something simple, drop dead reliable, and has been put through more testing in real life than DOD could fantasize about when strung out on meth.

    Yeah . . . Glock it is.

    • Mikial

      Agree 100%. I’ve carried everything from Browning HPs to Glocks to Kimbers while on DoD assignment in Iraq, and you can give me a Glock every day.

  • James Young

    Did I just read that they chose the Gen 4 Glocks for “improved ergonomics”?? One of the biggest things US consumers criticize Glocks for is their inferior ergos when compared to every major striker fired pistol maker.

    • john huscio

      The gen 4 ergonomics are a huge step up over previous generations……at least IMO

    • m-dasher

      thats because US consumers are largely idiots who only parrot what they read on the forums…..glock ergos are fine, especially with the changable backstraps…….honestly with the exception of HK……glocks have some of the best ergos of any other pistol out there right now

      • n0truscotsman

        I actually agree with this

        I’ve been shooting Glocks since the 90s and dont understand how they have horrible ergonomics or triggers. I can easily access what I need to access with no trouble.

        They aren’t match grade triggers like 1911s and dont have luger levels of comfort, but so what?

        I agree that other handguns are more comfortable, certainly.

  • Thom S

    The Dutch did NOT carry the P226 as their standard issue army sidearm, they carried the Browning High Power designated the M46 or just “FN” for nearly 50 years.

    You should reconsider your sources, I have nearly a dozen Dutch army basic soldier training manuals with instruction on the FN.

  • smitty26

    Only Marines Special Forces (BBE) have used the SIG 226.All others have used Browning HP.From 1994 all forces including Police Swat teams are using the Glock 17.

  • John

    I expect Sig Sauer to partake in “autistic screeching” and start issuing lawsuits against the Netherlands for a biased evaluation any day now, just as Glock did.

    • john huscio

      Sig tried to foist the p250 on the dutch police a decade ago and it was a disaster. Doubt the dutch government/procurement wings have much love for sig since then.

    • M-dasher

      hey everyone….look at this guy…..he has no idea how Military contracts work in the US.

  • mazkact

    Dr Evil,Gold Member and Austin Powers approve.

  • Alahahahah

    Far more appropriate if the >Guv had spent their money on white flags and assstrolube

  • bthomas

    Not hard to figure out. They decided there was no need to reinvent the wheel. Glock is … what everyone else wants to be … Perfection.

  • Jonn Doe

    Dear US military,
    SUCK IT!
    Signed
    Every country BUT YOU using the Glock pistol as the standard side arm.
    A freakin Sig…REALLY?

  • Kurt

    Training, Training and more training. Practice it and you will walk out alive and your enemy will be carried out dead. Don’t read about it, get out on the range you use or where ever you shoot and do it. Practice, practice etc.Then you will walk away live not be carried away dead.

    This is not to hard to understand. If it is, you should not be carrying a gun.

  • Kurt

    I wish we could just keep this blog a place to write a comment on and not try to write a novel.