Irony? German Company Releases “We The People” 1911

I try not to be possessive of Holidays, knowing that everyone from around the world can celebrate them. In fact, I try to welcome as much as possible. However, Independence Day is a sacred day to me, having served my beloved country. So, it feels just a tinge of “cultural appropriation” that Sig Sauer (admittedly, Sig Sauer USA, but the German-owned company nonetheless) puts out the “We The People” 1911. This is something I would expect Colt or Wilson Combat to do.

And then I saw the handgun… It’s freaking awesome, and all thoughts reservations left my mind. I realized the error of my ways and must apologize for such heinous thoughts. Sig has shown itself worthy of being an American company.

The “We The People” 1911 is a .45 that patriotic enough to demand attention and demure enough to actually carry. The handgun features custom aluminum grips replete with 5 pointed stars and the “distressed” stainless slide and frame are a nice compliment with another 13 stars on top of the slide with “We The People” and “1776” adorning the blaster as front serrations.

The handgun is rounded out by an ambidextrous thumb safety, SIG’s well-known external extractor, what looks to be a nitrided barrel and low-profile night-sights. Retail is reasonable, listed at $1,481.

However, I really want the grip panels. Dear Sig – please sell these as aftermarket accessories?



Frank.K

TFB’s FNG. Completely irreverent of all things marketing but a passionate lover of new ideas and old ones well executed. Enjoys musing on all things firearms, shooting 3-gun, and attempting to be both tacticool AND tactical.


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  • Jared Vynn

    Our definitions of reasonable are drastically different.

    • Cal S.

      Isn’t it always, though? “This gun is amazing! Priced at a mere 3x it’s nearest competitor, it’s practically a steal!”

      • ActionPhysicalMan

        If they are moving, they priced them right.

        • Ebby123

          Capitalism: Supply and Demand finding equilibrium in the free market.

          Bubbalism: “EVERYTHING SHOULD BE AS CHEAP AS I’M PERSONALLY WILLING TO PAY OR ITS STUPID!! ”
          *angrily slurps large softdrink*

          • Mr. Katt

            ROFLMAO – I’m using that Bubbalism !!

          • Cal S.

            Elitism: “ANYONE WHO’S NOT WILLING TO PAY AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT FOR SOMETHING THAT’S BEEN AROUND 100 YEARS IS A KNOW-NOTHING BUBBA AND SHOULD KEEP QUIET ABOUT IT!!”
            *Condescendingly looks down glasses and sips tea*

          • Ebby123

            Except its not excessive. The 1911 is not modern-manufacturing friendly, hence it is expensive.

            People are still willing to pay those prices, hence the reason is it still popular.

            You won’t get a 1911 for Glock prices. Not because a 1911 is functionally better, but because it a far less efficient design to manufacture. Demanding that something be sold at a loss because “I can buy something that looks kinda the same cheaper at Walmart” is Bubbalism.

          • Cal S.

            Yup. But, somehow, companies manage to produce perfectly reliable 1911s for a lot less. Like Ruger. Guess they just don’t have as much fairy dust.

            Just so you know, I’m not a 1911 owner and I don’t intend to be. No skin in the game for me. I’m just frugal by nature and I don’t see sense in over-paying for things. I also reserve the right to express that opinion.

          • Ebby123

            Volume is inversely related to cost.
            If you make a small volume of something (like a special 1911 that they’ll probably sell less than 3,000 of), its going to cost more per part.
            If you make high volumes of something (like SIG and Ruger’s standard 1911s) it costs less.

          • Wow!

            1911 is modern-mfg friendly. The only problem is that you got people saying that if it isn’t a glass break trigger or a slide that is so tight it will jam if you overlube, it is a trash 1911. Well the 1911s that circulated in the military were not match grade, they were service grade. RIA for one makes a reliable 1911 that is reasonably priced.

            The problem is that there are two markets, the cheap pragmatic use market (tactical, bubba, etc), and the expensive aesthetic use market (match shooters, range queens etc). Pragmatically the 1911 is losing the niche it held to new standards like Glock or M&P. And high expense shooters like the novelty of foreign weapons over domestic due to their rarity.

          • Ebby123

            I can assure you, compared to an injection molded Glock, a 1911 frame is quite expensive to manufacture.

            Most of what you said is correct, but the 1911 is fundamentally more complex internally than many popular pistols today.

          • Wow!

            Injection molded frames are not cheap and often synthetic products can cost more than metal products just in material costs. If you are injecting homogeneous thermoplastics like ABS is super cheap, but most synthetic frames use some blend of materials which raises the cost.

            The 1911 in no way more complex internally compared to other handguns. It is of the simplest hammer fired designs currently out there. Even in parts count it is decisively among the lowest compared to other recoil locking handguns.

          • Ebby123

            Im sorry but you are very incorrect.
            Once the tooling is paid for, injection molded frames cost around $8-$20ea to produce, even with stronger glass-fill materials like Glock uses. Cycle time for an automated injection mold is measured in seconds, not minutes. How do you think SIG can sell 320 lower frames for $40 retail and make a profit?

            A 1911 frame on the other hand must be 100% machined from a steel forging, including all the complex internal cavities and profiles like the thumb safety elipses, the trigger bow slot, the magwell, slide rails, mainspring housing slots, and complex radial blends all over the outside. This requires a LOT of machine time, specialized cutting tools, and highly developed quality controls as there is far more opportunity for variation than an injection molded part.

            All this adds up to quite a cost. A 1911 frame would cost around $80- $125 to produce.

          • Wow!

            Different plastic blends have different costs. What SIG uses isn’t indicative of everyone else’s costs especially since not all polymer handguns use a one piece receiver inside rather than embedding slide rails into the plastic. That is the other part you are forgetting is that the plastic frame is often just the housing, and you still have to actually install the parts to hold the trigger group and all the other parts together. Sig again is an exception because they use an insert rather than embedding parts into the plastic itself which makes it very simple and cheap. You are right that it is faster than steel, but it is not always cheaper.

            All steel frames are made from one piece. There aren’t any “complex, cavities and profiles”, at least no more complex than any other handgun, and no more machine time than any other steel framed handgun. Again, I am not seeing where this is “not modern-manufacturing friendly” or where the 1911 is more complex than other handguns. Even at worst, the costs are not much different.

          • Ebby123

            “Different plastic blends have different costs.”
            True. But this is why I provided a range of values from $8-$25. Ultimately the frame is what separates a 1911 from most modern designs – the slide and small components are usually very similar in cost.

            “you still have to actually install the parts to hold the trigger group”
            True, but this is a stamped metal part on most modern guns – something that costs less than $5 to produce.

            “There aren’t any “complex, cavities and profiles, at least no more complex than any other handgun”
            Respectfully, you are just wrong there. The 1911 was designed as a hand-fit gun. Its internal structure are complex and do not lend itself well to modern CNC machining. It can be done – but not cheaply.

            My initial observation stands – a polymer frame will costs around $8-$25 to produce, while a machined steel frame will cost in the $80-$125 range. For a decent profit margin of 35% this adds about $170 to the final cost of the gun.

          • Wow!

            It isn’t the stamping itself that is expensive, but the fact that it has to be embedded into the plastic frame which also means the material of the frame is more important. Many purpose built plastics are really expensive compared to starting with a block of steel. Of course a big company will be able to drop the costs since they produce many units and can order large lots of their specific material but most companies cannot do that aside from a few.

            I think I get where you are coming from with saying the 1911 is complex and not as friendly to modern processes because on the large scale injection molded is faster and can be cheaper. Where I was coming from is that modern manufacturing encompasses large AND smaller scale operations. It is expensive for most companies to make injection molded frames to the point that it is just as cheap if not cheaper to make it out of metal. A large company would not go that route because due to their large scale the material costs are mostly negated. That still would not cause me to call the 1911 complex or not modern mfg friendly (since in many cases it is cheaper and simple with modern methods) but I would call it inefficient for mass production which is where you are coming from.

          • Ebby123

            I’m just telling you how it IS in reality, I’m sorry if you think it should be different. You are always welcome to start your own gun company and beat the market doing it your way.

            The reasons I’ve listed above are why most polymer guns are around $500 and most 1911s are around $800.

          • Wow!

            The 1911 is not modern mfg unfriendly, at least no more than any other steel framed handgun, and it certainly is not the most complex designs out there. The fact that there are good 1911s under $500 kind of undermines your cost assumptions.

            I tried to give you a way out man. If you are saying for a mass production scale polymer guns are better you are right. However, the fact remains that unless you have large production to offset the costs of the plastic material, metal framed handguns are the way to go. So saying that the 1911 isn’t modern mfg friendly is just silly, and saying that the 1911 is complex is even sillier. Again, I gave the example of a Beretta which is a pretty good example considering that despite being more complex (with even more “complex cavities, and profiles” and specialized cutters) it still was able to be produced on modern machines without much fuss.

            Try starting your own polymer handgun business with a market only as large as say Wilson Combat. Even if you discount the price of the dies I think you will quickly see how expensive the plastic material costs alone unless you buy on the scale that Glock, FN, S&W and all the rest buy it at. Again, modern manufacturing goes beyond just mass production. Would you consider a 3D printer not modern manufacturing because it is not for mass production?

          • Ebby123

            They’re not cost assumptions. They’re first hand experience. I’m telling you how it IS in the firearms industry.

            You’re telling me how you think it should be from the outside.

          • Wow!

            Right. Again, where is your plastic framed handgun at a low cost with only a small market? It kind of makes sense why you think this way considering you probably only worked around synthetic materials and haven’t seen the other side of the industry. There is a reason when people design a handgun they do not immediately think of injection molding. Your market does influence what kind of processes you will have available.

          • Ebby123

            Your reasoning is circular. If 1911s were cheaper, they would sell higher volumes, then they would be cheaper.

            In the OP you stated that there is no good reason 1911s should cost more than other popular handguns – I have disproved this in every way possible. Now you are creating hypothetical market environments in which your argument COULD be true.

            It is. not. true.
            1911s cost more to produce than Glocks. Injection molding is extremely inexpensive compared to CNC machining steel from a billet, EVEN when using stronger glass or fiber-filled polymers.

            This is why the overwhelming majority of consumer products are molded out of plastics instead of machined out of steel because it is cheaper across the board.

          • Wow!

            I think you aren’t reading what I said very carefully. Just because you have a cheap product does NOT always mean people will buy it. Your talk with me in a different thread about how you personally wouldn’t buy a sub $800 1911 demonstrates that. And again, you are thinking there is only one kind of mass production scale market. You are forgetting that demand isn’t infinite or guaranteed in a business. Many businesses still working up cannot expect large enough demand to guarantee they will cover their costs going the injection molded route. Most consumer products are homogeneous thermoplastics. Again, something I already said multiple times and in my first comment. That is very different from ordering purpose built materials which while inconsequential for a company which has a large market to depend on (which is where you are coming from), it is a limiting factor for many other companies that are working on smaller scales. Just so you know, where you work isn’t how all companies are. Demand isn’t static, it varies a lot and a company doesn’t have to produce thousands of units to still be successful if they don’t bite off more than they can chew when starting up.

            The 1911 is not modern mfg unfriendly, at least no more than any other steel framed handgun, and it certainly is not the most complex designs out there.
            If you are saying for a mass production scale polymer guns are better you are right. However, the fact remains that unless you have large production to offset the costs of the plastic material, metal framed handguns are the way to go. So saying that the 1911 isn’t modern mfg friendly is just silly, and saying that the 1911 is complex is even sillier. Again, I gave the example of a Beretta which is a pretty good example considering that despite being more complex (with even more “complex cavities, and profiles” and specialized cutters) it still was able to be produced on modern machines without much fuss.
            Try starting your own polymer handgun business with a market only as large as say Wilson Combat. Even if you discount the price of the dies I think you will quickly see how expensive the plastic material costs alone unless you buy on the scale that Glock, FN, S&W and all the rest buy it at. Again, modern manufacturing goes beyond just mass production. Would you consider a 3D printer not modern manufacturing because it is not for mass production?

          • Ebby123

            Keep speculating. I’ll just keep living it.

          • Wow!

            Right. I’ll be waiting for your small business with their sub $100 plastic frames.

          • Ebby123

            You’ve tried to move the goalpost a dozen times over the course of the conversation in an effort to prop up your collapsing argument. You just keep adding more criteria and you just keep being wrong.

            A polymer Glock will ALWAYS be cheaper to make than a machined steel 1911 all other things being equal. Full stop.

          • Wow!

            I’m not the guy who said a 1911 was more complex than modern handguns even though it has a lower part count.
            I’m not the guy who said the 1911 isn’t “modern manufacturing friendly” with “complex cavities and profiles” even though firearms like the M9 have been produced with modern techniques with success.

            Like you said, you are “living it” so I’m just giving you the benefit of the doubt and waiting for your small business with the sub $100 plastic frames. After all, it is “always” cheaper as you say, right? If you are right we all win.

          • Ebby123

            “…Said a 1911 was more complex than modern handguns”
            The frame and slide are more complex- which is what I actually said. That’s part of the reason why almost no one else in 100 years has successfully used a sliding trigger or a 3-lug barrel.

            “…1911 isn’t “modern manufacturing friendly”
            It’s not. Its a very inefficient design.

            “I’m waiting for your small business with the sub $100 plastic frames.”
            Here you go:
            EP Armory PF940 at jsdsupply[dot]com. $80 retail.

            EP Armory is a tiny company producing Glock compatible lower frames that sell for $80 RETAIL, which means they cost less than $40 to produce, likely closer to $25.

            Are you finished now?

          • Wow!

            The tokarev begs to differ. Again, you can’t just say something is not modern manufacturing friendly when many more complex products are made successfully. The frame and slide on an M9 is a heck of a lot more complex than a 1911, but it can be produced by modern methods

            I don’t think you realized it, but you linked to an 80% lower by the way.

          • Ebby123

            Lol. Its OK to be wrong. Next time just don’t be so stubborn about it.
            Goodbye.

          • Wow!

            Nice projection. If you truly are who you say you are, stick with your company because you don’t understand things beyond your company’s work and you could avoided stating things that were wrong just by checking a reference book before you commented.

            As it stands the 1911 is not a complex handgun nor is it modern manufacturing unfriendly. It does suffer from being in the gap between the two main markets, those who want pragmatics who will look to the double stack striker fired handguns, and those who are competitors or collectors who want foreign and/or match guns. Being stuck in this gap is probably going to be death of the 1911 but it certainly won’t be because it is difficult to manufacture. 2011s may revive it, but I have some doubts (which also is another handgun manufactured in the last 100 years that uses a sliding trigger and a three lug barrel by the way).

      • RocketScientist

        Whoa, there are TWO high quality 1911-style guns with custom monochromatic patriotic engraving that celebrate our nations independence, and the other one retails for LES THAN 500 DOLLARS?!?!?! Where the f**k is that gun? I’ll buy one right now!!

        • Cal S.

          My comment was obviously in general terms.

          • RocketScientist

            So wait, you’re saying that a basic gun with a lot of expensive and time-consuming semi-custom work is going to cost more than a basic entry-level model? WHO KNEW?!?! Or are you saying tha Sig should just throw all that in for free because…. reasons? What ARE you trying to say? Are you the guy who replies to a post about a semi-custom target rifle saying “yeah but you can get a mosin for lik $150 bucks, this thing is overpriced crap”? Just because YOU don’t want to buy what they’re selling (to be clear, I don’t either, this gun aint exactly to my tastes) doesn’t mean its overpriced. It just means you don’t want it.

        • Wow!

          Pro tip, buy a reasonably priced 1911, send it to an engraver for about 200-300. You get a reasonably priced 1911 and a much nicer aesthetic custom tailored to your tastes.

          • RocketScientist

            Please send me the contact information of the engraver/gunsmith that will turn a plan-jane 1911 into the above gun for 2-300 bucks. Immediately. I will be sending them a LOT of work. And as for the “aesthetic tailored to my taste” aspect… its almost like this gun is marketed at people for whom it’s style IS tailored to their tastes… weird huh?

          • Wow!

            I don’t know where you live but use a phone book. Despite what people think, engraving is not very difficult work with practice, but there is a low availability of work which leads to it’s high cost. I would not bring it to someone who only does engraving as you are looking at several thousand dollars for a job that can be duplicated for much less by someone with wider technical knowledge. Whatever you do, do not bring them a gun that has any sentimental value. Even if they are 100% sure they will do a good job, nearly everyone will turn it down since those kind of jobs have a high chance to backfire making it not worth the unwarranted reputation hit.

          • RocketScientist

            My apologies, I assumed I was communicating with someone with a modicum of reading comprehension. I wasn’t actually requesting the contact information for an engraver. I was using humor to make the point that there is no way in hell you would be able to get this sort of work done to a gun for two or $300. I have had custom gun finishing and Engraving work performed on at least four or five firearms for myself or as gifts for other people. I understand completely what the costs are. The finish/coating seen on the gun above would, in itself, cost at least a few hundred dollars. Then add in the cost for the custom grip panels, engraving work, finishing, etc etc. Ain’t NO way you’re turning a basic 1911 into the above gun (or one with a similar level of work if the above ain’t your style) for 2-300. Also, consider the guy I was replying to claimed you could buy one UNDER 500. I’m not even sure you could find a reliably functioning plain Jane 1911 for that much.

          • Wow!

            Sarcasm doesn’t translate well on the internet, and you get more with sugar than salt. There is a reason why you are the only one not able to find the reasonably priced products and services the rest of us use.

          • Ebby123

            $800 reasonably priced 1911
            +$300 of engraving
            +150 of recoating after the engraving
            =$1,250 minimum (not including 2 sets of FFL transfer fees, S/H, etc)

            ….which puts it on par with this pistol.

          • Wow!

            $800 is not a reasonably priced 1911. Sub 500 is reasonably priced. RIA for example makes a 1911 that is more reliable than most “match” 1911s for $400.

            Finishing should not cost $150 either but I suppose that is debatable in what kind of finish you want and who in your area can do it and how frequently they get finishing requests. The Sig uses a “distressed finish” which I have never done so I don’t know how complex that process is.

          • Ebby123

            You’re still hung up on functionality to the customer as a metric of cost. Its not.
            What something costs to manufacture, is what it costs – not how much value YOU see in it. Now that doesn’t mean you have to buy it at that cost, of course.

            Sub $800 1911s by necessity usually have cast frames (instead of forged), and much lower level of quality control. Your anecdotal experience is not indicative of the amount of quality invested by the manufacturer. The bottom line is to make a product cost less, they have to invest less in it.

          • Wow!

            Quality is pointless if it is not focused in aspects that matter. You could have a lubricant made from expensive banned whale oil and other carefully blended ingredients, or an el cheapo synthetic blend from a no name company and the performance will be the same despite one costing more than the other.

            Reliability is all about personal accounts in the end since it is just a perceived probability. Many sub 500 1911s are cheaply made but many people find them to work unlike more expensive 1911s that either don’t work or only work for a certain amount of time before they need to be sent in for repairs again.

            If you want to buy a pre-made “custom” handgun for a premium price, all the more power to you. But most people who are interested in those kinds of guns prefer to pay for actual performance over brand or a perception of “quality”. They will choose reasonably priced components and put it together to make a truly custom one of a kind product. People will pay hundreds of dollars for a good scope because it has pragmatic value. People will pay thousands for an H&K firearm because it has collectors value. People generally won’t pay much for a decorative piece like this when they can get the same thing at a cheaper price. There is a reason these kinds of guns tend to collect dust on a shelf until thrown into the clearance bin.

      • Flounder

        It is 1500 MSRP, The average sig 1911 is around 1100 MSRP. There is a premium but not even 50%.

        It is SIG after all. The gun will be nice and well built and probably work very well. Be fair.

        I think it is cool, but a safe queen. A pretty and nice gun but not useful enouh for the price. But then again I know people will love this and buy it.

        And no one is saying if this is built in the USA or not…

    • Ced Truz

      Well SIG’s website does describe it as “Inspired by a rich patriotic history…”
      Key word being “rich”.

  • Juggernaut

    A Luger with “Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer” on it would be much cooler

    • Brett baker

      P-38

    • mosinman

      i think “Ein Volk, Ein Kalifat, Ein Prophet” would be more appropriate 😉

      • James Young

        Haha, nice

      • John Yossarian

        Merkeled!

  • SIG Sauer Inc is an American company tho…

    • flyingburgers

      It’s still owned and controlled by a German company (L & O Holding GmbH). You wouldn’t say Volkswagen is an American company even though you buy the cars from Volkswagen of America, Inc.

      • Yeah, but only because the words sound funny. Nobody hees and haws over Winchesters being Japanese, because it has a nice WASP-y sounding name.

      • Sermon 7.62

        It is owned and controlled by Ron Cohen.

        • Ebby123

          He’s CEO, not owner TMK.

      • 411.48 R

        Well, it is technically a German company. But everything is left in Germany is the administration and the custom shop for Europe.

    • Nicks87

      … and employs hundreds of Americans. At a minimum you could look at this gun as a thank you for us gun loving Americans that keep them in business.

    • Kevin Craig

      Not to mention, it’s located in New Hampshire, where the first shots of the American Revolution were fired.

      Fort William & Mary happened months before Concord & Lexington.

      • John Yossarian

        True that it occurred before Concord & Lexington – But neither earlier thwarted powder raids nor did Fort William & Mary begin the Revolution.

    • Flounder

      Isn’t it just an american subsidiary? Although, don’t they have a factory or two in the US?

  • Joshua

    so, if it’s an external extractor, what’s in the back of it?

    • That nub retains the Series 80-style firing pin safety plunger and its spring. SIGARMS used a screw on the side of the slide on the original GSR for the same purpose, but people freaked out assuming that it was a dreaded safety lock.

      • Ebby123

        I’d like the extractor a lot more if shared the same serration pattern as the slide. As is I can’t help but think it looks like an old S&W semi-auto.

  • Mrninjatoes

    Hey FNG….SIG SAUER Inc is American as Magpul and apple pie. You write in the big leagues now, sort your SH*T out.

    • DangerousClown

      But his writing is definitely little league.

  • Mattblum

    That thing is ugly. I want one.

  • German

    It cant be irony, its still forbidden in Germany, it confuses people. Comedy was barely allowed by a Referendum a short time ago. #JanBöhmermann

    • Günter Groß

      Yes we really must have no humor here in Germany, if we dislike Jan Böhmermann. My opinion of him is, that he is one of the worst comedians we have and only pushed by our media.

      • Old Tofu

        Henning Wehn has been pretty funny on UK tv shows

  • TangledThorns

    I’ve never been interested in a 1911 till I saw this!

  • TheNotoriousIUD
    • Zundfolge

      My American Flag says “Made in the U.S.A., Valley Forge” I don’t know where you’re buying your cheap, crappy US flag knockoffs from.

      :p

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Walmart…

        • John

          Well THERE’S your problem! You need to order them from Amazon! Nothing on Amazon is made China, you can bet the farm on it!

          • Dan

            I bet the farm and lost it….to Chinese

          • Wow!

            lol.

    • 2ThinkN_Do2

      The question is this: Is a flag of The United States of America that is made in a foreign country, deserving of the same respect given one made in the USA?

  • fintroll

    SIG was originally Swiss and not German. And SIG SAUER itself as a company is pretty American now, but to be honest the whole company history is rather murky and full of weird jumps.

  • Anonymoose

    They make Texas and Sparta versions too.

  • John

    I would like to commission another piece called the”The Panderer”. It would be red, white and blue, have the word “MURICA” on the side and “Budweiser” on the grips, when you rack the slide it would play “God Bless America” and it would shoot American flags at 900 FPS!

    • .45

      I think they should make one with flag grips, ‘Murica on one side of the slide, and F**k yeah on the other, all made in America by an all American company. Comes in two 1911 models, a single stack and a double, but both in .45 ACP. Given these high requirements, estimated retail price is a “reasonable” $3500. Call it the ‘Murica, but make a version with the Confederate flag called the Redneck too, as well as one with an actual flag used by the Confederates just to confuse those who think the Confederates all used the one and only X striped flag at Gettysburg. No explanation in the description, just see how long it takes for understanding to seep through Facebook…

    • Cal S.

      Oh, you mean the FMK 9C1? “Proudly American” emblazoned on the ejector, and some of their slides even have the Second Amendment engraved on them…

    • Widgt

      “The Panderer” lmfao!

    • Noir

      Budweiser? Thats apropriation of Czech beer!

  • Made in America by Americans. I have no problem with this.

    • Mrninjatoes

      Ogre! Hope you are doing well!

      • Thank you, Sir… I’m doing spectacular.
        Best wishes in return!

  • Sasquatch

    Dear lord people the Sig Sauer mothership is a partnership between a Swedish company and a German company. Just Google it I’m not writing a book. I know there is Sig Sauer America and they are adopted by me to be an American company.

  • Zundfolge

    To be fair, these days SIG is almost more American than Swiss, Austrian or German.

    I drive a Honda Element that was built in Ohio … my previous car was a Chrysler that was built in Mexico.

  • Vhyrus

    Irony? No that gun is definitely steel and aluminumy.

    • Dan

      Best comment here. Perhaps because it’s something my father would say.

      • Wow!

        Oh… the dad jokes.

  • The Rambling Historian

    Still seems weird to me. If I was going to get a 1776 tribute gun it better have a flintlock on it.

    • Nashvone

      Hmmmm….flintlock 1911….I believe it would sell. After all, the fan boiz insist that older IS better.

  • Bob Gallucci

    Frank.K, First, thank you for your service to our great country. I am not attempting to insult your patriotism, but you were bothered by this product until you saw it. It sounds like your patriotism is based on if it looks good, lets be patriotic about it? Again, not trying to insult you, just the way you stated in the article makes it sound that way.

  • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

    America is contagious.

    Also those grips actually have 50 stars between the pair. I counted. Im suddenly 10x even more impressed.

    • Ebby123

      That’s the first thing I did as well.

  • Ebby123

    The home office approves of your thoughtspeech.

  • Ebby123

    I think the implied ironic factory was that its a German company – home country of the Nazis, enemy of everything Freedom and ‘Murica.

    ….basically its a clickbait headline.

    • Swarf

      “Yeah, I work at the ironic factory, putting black flies in the Chardonnay.

      The safety motto is ‘Doncha Think?'”

  • Mr. Katt

    Sort of a pity that Germanistan, despite the tyranny of the 3d Reich, never grasped that an armed population is a safe population. They have never really understood the concept behind ‘We The People’, and can’t figure out how things degenerated to where they are now.

    If the civilian population of Germany was armed like – oh, say, Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Arizona . . . et cetera, the Moose Limbs would be an odd novelty rather than an invading conqueror.

  • Kelly Jackson

    Those German cucks shouldn’t even bother, they gave up freedom a long time ago

    Give me a call if you need some former GIs to liberate Cologne for you again.

    • Old Tofu

      yeah . . . I don’t think we did that “FOR” the germans

  • Edeco

    Even if it were made overseas, if we got it in legit, free-market commerce I’d see no irony. That’s a big ‘if’ but my point is the German connection is no problem for me. Hell’s Angel Sonny Barger said something like if he’d been a biker later he’d have used a Honda.

    Not that I want that thing. Blech. It’s got the same faux patina as one of my belt buckles, and I guess my taste in accessories is more playful than my taste in artillery.

  • Hinermad

    I don’t find it so odd. My first European ancestor in North America was a Hessian merc in the Revolutionary War. He stayed on afterwards, married a local girl (those Pennsylvania Dutch milkmaids were just too tempting) and moved near to the Ohio River valley. He appreciated the freedom and opportunity America offered quite a bit, since he was a younger son of a minor family and didn’t have much of an inheritance to look forward to back in Germany.

  • DwnRange

    Think I’ll just stick with my umpteen Colts, my old Klackamas Kimber and my Les Baer UTC.

    (all American enough for this 1911 lover)

  • Cactus Air Force

    What’s more American than outsourcing to foreigners? That’s practically a national pastime. I kid, I kid.

  • James Young

    I had the same thought when I first saw this, but I loved how it looks. So it’s hard to complain. Sig did a nice job with it

  • mikee

    Doesn’t matter as the pistol is made in the USA. The same could be said for the AV8 Harrier; Martin B57 – both British but made in the USA. How about the P51 Mustang – designed by a German (Edgar Schmued), uses a British Merlin engine, built in the USA.

  • Raginzerker

    I usually don’t get caught up with symbolism, or 1911’s, but, me want

  • Markbo

    It is likely well made. It might even shoot well – though the review doesn’t address either. But that galvanized finish is just about the UGLIEST I have ever seen.

    Thats a definite no ghost rider.

  • Markbo

    It is likely well made. It might even shoot well – though the review doesn’t address either. But that galvanized finish is just about the UGLIEST I have ever seen.

    Thats a definite no ghost rider.

  • 2ThinkN_Do2

    Psychological marketing works . . . thank goodness I am not a Sig Fan . . .

  • Stevo

    I’m not sure I’d really care for a gun with fifty starfish on the grip

  • Dietrich

    If and when they send Merkel packing and install a pro western German nationalist they will have better reason to celebrate we the people.

  • disqus_1IXWD6GbBr

    I could get 4 Filipino made 1911’s and have plenty of money left over for ammo!

    • 2ThinkN_Do2

      Rock on Rock Island . . . they make nice firearms; reliable, reasonably priced, and accurate enough to get the job done. I like mine, built like a tank.

  • Rev. Thos. Fowler

    How does it shoot? Groups with 230 gr. ball?